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| Nepe |
Posted
on 31-Dec-02 11:56 PM
I was about to post this republican message potrayed as a new year’s greetings, I was surprised to read San’s announcement that I have been selected for the Sajha person 2002. After initial shock, I thought now I must write a thank you note instead of this political message with a vested interest. But on a second thought, I decided to post it as such for now for the sake of honesty re kya !
As I said I was shocked by the announcement. I will write my views on this later. My own choice for the title was, nominees- Paschim, Ashu, NK, Paramendra, HahooGuruDev, Dilasha and Sitara… and the title goes to.. Sitara.. yes, no doubt about it. It is Sitara. She embodies the true spirit of Sajha. OK, more talk tomorrow. Now my New Year’s greeting.
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I have not been around here lately. Everybody knows that the pace of life in Sajha is super fast. It takes hardly a week for you to be a thing of the past. So here is me from the really remote past of Sajha to wish you a happy new year.
Happy New Year 2003, folks !
After being a silent reader for a brief period of time and gathering courage to show my poor English, I joined Sajha slightly before Paschim joined Sajha with his masterpiece humor ‘Prachanda Found Dead’. (Thank you NK for referring to me to encourage hundreds of silent readers of Sajha to overcome the fear and join in. I must share that though my English did not improve much, Sajha has been a rewarding experience for me).
When I started, Sajha was not the most comfortable place for my political conviction. I am a staunch supporter of the republic of Nepal. And it was quite frustrating to see that all of the Hastis were supporting the monarchy in this or that form. So I was not sure if I will be able to stay in Sajha for long. But one surprising thing happened right at the beginning. It was Biswoji’s reply to my very first posting in Sajha on the subject of monarchy. Biswoji wrote:
>Posted By: Biswo 17-Dec-01 11:54 PM
>Nepeji:
>I liked your arguments, and it was the sanest argument from anti-monarchy
>advocates I have ever heard. ……
>(http://www.sukuti.com/archives/articles/2665.htm)
Well, this single reply of Biswo made me stick with Sajha for good although I have immediately discovered that Biswoji is not lending his support to the republican views.
Of late, very articulate and talented republicans have joined Sajha and at least one old fellow Sajhaite surprise me with being more vocal and putting strong arguments for the republic. I have no doubt that these courageous sons and daughters of 21st century Nepal will keep the torch of the near future republic of Nepal alive in Sajha.
Past 6-7 years of Nepal have been shaky yet stationary. The words expressed by the Hansya-samrat Madan Krishna Shrestha in Virginia a month ago pictures it quite accurately.
“Hijo aaja hamro jeevan ko yatra basmaa hoina, rel ma hoina, hawaijahaj maa hoina baru roller coaster maa bhairahechha- kahiley taauko maathi, kahiley khuttaa maathi, kahiley kahaa thokiyelaa jasto, pugeko kanhi hoina, tyahi ko tyahi..”
However, it can be easily anticipated that 2003 will be the most eventful of all years in the history of Nepal. Thanks to our stupid king for breaking the stagnant water of the power illusion. The level of popular awareness that the Gaijatre prajatantra called the ‘constitutional monarchy’ does not work is in it’s highest in the country now. Slowly but surely we are coming to a logical conclusion of Nepal’s half century long struggle for the democracy – that Nepal should enter into the 21st century by breaking the chain of feudal bondage for good. 2003 will be a major step towards this glorious history. I hope to be able to participate in Sajha bahas more in 2003.
Let’s welcome 2003
Let’s keep Sajha vibrant
Nepe
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 01-Jan-03 11:15 AM
Nepe ji
Welcome back! Your presence was missed! :)
Wish you:
A Happy New Year to you!
I pray and hope that the Nepal we desire will be a reality for us all Nepalese! And my sentiments lie with you!
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 01-Jan-03 01:01 PM
I receieved this in my e-mail today--thought I'd share it with you all. The Happy New Year thread seemed accurate to post this on...
I asked God to take away my habit.
God said, No.
It is not for me to take away, but for you to give it up.
I asked God to make my handicapped child whole.
God said, No.
His spirit is whole, his body is only temporary
I asked God to grant me patience.
God said, No.
Patience is a byproduct of tribulations;
it isn't granted, it is learned.
I asked God to give me happiness.
God said, No.
I give you blessings; Happiness is up to you.
I asked God to spare me pain.
God said, No.
Suffering draws you apart from worldly cares
and brings you closer to me.
I asked God to make my spirit grow.
God said, No.
You must grow on your own! ,
but I will prune you to make you fruitful.
I asked God for all things that I might enjoy life.
God said, No.
I will give you life, so that you may enjoy all things.
I ask God to help me LOVE others, as much as He loves me.
God said...Ahhhh, finally you have the idea.
THIS DAY IS YOURS DON'T THROW IT AWAY
May God Bless You,
"To the world you might be one person, but to one
person you just might be the world"
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| Vision |
Posted
on 01-Jan-03 01:22 PM
"Thanks to our stupid king for breaking the stagnant water of the power illusion. The level of popular awareness that the Gaijatre prajatantra called the ‘constitutional monarchy’ does not work is in it’s highest in the country now"
Nepe Ji,
I think its just the opposite. Infact, more and more people are now in support of
king over all political parties. As times of India puts it, "King Gyanendra can well afford to smile. Recent opinion polls place him well above leaders of all political parties in public esteem".
"Past 6-7 years of Nepal have been shaky yet stationary".
Stationary?? Gimme a break...the country is in the midst of a civil war and over 7000 people were killed. All the development projects came to halt. Economy has hit rock bottom. People are fleeing the country and we have lost all aspect of security. It all happened in the last 6-7 years. I think Panchayat days were more like "stationary".
Good luck in your quest to turn Nepal into a republic, however, I find it very unrealistic.
Happy New Year!
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| surya |
Posted
on 01-Jan-03 05:02 PM
If a republic is going to bring Nepal peace, freedom and prosperity, so be it. But without accountability and stuartship from our leaders - whoever that might be - and dogged persistence and faith in positive change from citizens', nothing is going to change. Happy New Year!
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| Vision |
Posted
on 01-Jan-03 05:45 PM
Surya Ji,
Yup! If turning our country into republic state will bring back peace, then republic it is. I've nothing against that. But think again, what are the likelihood of that? How many of us will except the leaders who have admittedly killed some of our loved ones?
I fear not only a republic state will make matters worse, but it will also evaporate a little glimmer of hope we have now.
Jai Nepal!
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 01-Jan-03 10:33 PM
First of all, a I wish everyone--both the Nepali republicans and the rest--a happy year ahead.
I support Nepe's view. I believe Nepal will be better off as a republic. Making Nepal a republic will not unleash a torrent of development processes per se but it will certailnly open avenues--both that are being blocked by the institution of monarchy and those that are yet to be discovered--of prosperity.
Vision,
With due respect, I would like to refute some of your opinions:
--> Certainly there has been a lot of turmoil recently. Your claim that "Economy has hit rock bottom" could be right. But when you look compare the progress made, economy-wise, during the 80s and the 90s, you will find that Nepal has, in fact, made more progress in the 90s than it did in the 80s. Recently I did a research on this topic and what I found is surprising: despite all the instability, and an exponentially rising military expenditure in the 90s, we did better in the 90s. I will be happy to provide specific data on this if you want.
--> You wrote, "If turning our country into republic state will bring back peace, then republic it is." One thing we should all note here is that most of the talks held so far by the Maoists and the government have been deadlocked at the formation of a constituent assembly and that of a republic. Perhaps Shailaja Acharya was right when she recently said that NC had made a blunder by holding back the then ML from uprooting the monarchy [from my understanding, an accord was signed by NC and ML before launching the march against the Panchayat regime in 1990]. I am not sure if making Nepal a republic will restore peace overnight but I am pretty sure about one thing: we gave up peace to save monarchy! It's time that we realize this NOW so that Maoist II does not emerge 10 years later [if the issue is resolved right now by any chance].
---> You wrote, "How many of us will except the leaders who have admittedly killed some of our loved ones?"
First of all, the King is as responsible as, if not more than, the political leaders for the killings. The political parties tried their best to restore peace in the country; they failed. The institution of monarchy never tried. It was Birendra who went against mobilization of Royal Nepalese Army when Girija Prasad Koirala wanted to do so, wasn't it? The only time it tried is now. And we have already seen that all it wants is power. Why doesn't the King, if he is so concerned about the people, give up his crown and say he is willing to step down for a republic if the people want it? What agenda of the Maoists--from the 40 points demands-- do you think will prohibit agreements? I do not see anything. One thing the King should understand is that the political parties are suspicious about his actions because of his past. And to remove these suspicions, the King should show commitments, not just public apperances and gaudy speeches!
Second, we see no capable leader around us because all the leaders we have today have been shaped by the institution of monarchy. They have been developed as dependents who have to rely on the monarch to have their bills passed, their resolutions endorsed. They are who they are because of the system we are in. If we want better leaders, we better start now. As long as the system of monarchy exists, we will never see capable leaders around. The reason is simply: the monarchy blocks their way as it has been doing--especially through education.
---> You further wrote, "I think its just the opposite. Infact, more and more people are now in support of king over all political parties." I would not base my argument on some internet polls that some hidden websites, most likely run by people so influenced/brainwashed by the promises of monarchy system that they do not see any alternative to the system of monarchy, conduct. We have not had janamat sangraha recently, have we? How many percentage of Nepalese use internet anyway?
Happy 2003!
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 01-Jan-03 11:55 PM
Sitara ji,
Thank you for your kind word and valuable sentiment. I am witnessing unprecedented destruction and confusion in the country, yet my faith in our tomorrow is intact. A much of it is due to friends like you who do not forget to remind people that they should refuse to become fate’s bride. And aduwa chiya for the soul does do wonder. Thank you.
Poonteji,
Very inspiring pieces. Thank you for sharing. Being a naastik, they make a lot of senses to me, obviously far more than they would make to any faithful. I have bid farewell to God a long time ago. I haven’t prayed since, well except for that 314 million jackpot of DC Powerball a week ago ! Whenever I think of praying, I imagine a sarcastic face of God looking back at me. That has actually become a divine blessing to me. I believe in real world only- the world of cause, effect, possibility, feasibility and unbreakable natural laws. I know I have to do it myself to get what I want. I make my own destiny, it is not at will, whim and arbitrary decisions of God (and king Gyanendra). I can say it right at the face of God and the king Gyanendra. Anybody can try me. That does not mean I am a dry and unkind person. Actually I am a kind person. Really. Although I am a staunch naastik, I sometimes talk to God and explain Him why I am what I am. He then smiles and nodes his heads in approval. That is a divine reward. Isn’t it ? Well, I regressed. But this is new year’s day. Happy New Year to you and all others.
Vision ji,
I had chance to read some of your postings, so I know where you stand regarding Nepali politics. Our difference is so fundamental, there is no point arguing unless either you correct your vision or I do so. Anyway thank you for saying good luck to the quest for the republic. I too wish you good luck for your own quest. Regarding the term ‘stationary’, I think you did not pay attention to Madan Krishna’s words.
Surya ji,
I could not agree more. A drastic moral reform of existing political parties and emergence of new political force is necessary and imminent. Because it is a historical need and nobody can refuse history’s need. What is happening now is the birth pang of that change. It can not be anything else. Maoists are badly trained (in a wrong school of ideology) nurses. We can not leave it to them. They can kill the child. Gyanendra is trying to abort the fetus. Political parties are under the weight of their own incompetence, guilt and helplessness. Its time for a new breed of courageous people. It’s time for the republicans to grow and snatch the nurse’s tray from the Maoists. Its for 2003.
M.P. ji,
What can I say ? You said it all. Please do keep up the good work. You are now the commander of the republicans in Sajha. I salute you. I think, like me, many Sajha republicans look upto you to help the doubters understand that the republic is the anibaarya charan of Nepal’s struggle for freedom and democracy. The question is not whether the republic works or not, but rather how to make it work. Because everything else have been already tried and failed. How long should we deny it ?
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 02-Jan-03 04:53 AM
I have always been, and will always remain, a staunch opponent of absolutism when it comes to ruling a state. Be it under military men, civilian dictators, or kingship, absolutism, by definition, and by the sheer need for its own survival, will always have to rely on the suppression of the people. Barring individuals from being free is, by my standards, perhaps the most brutal crime against humanity--more cruel than killings, perhaps, because being dead is the ultimate emancipation, where as being alive but suppressed is the ultimate torture. In this regard, I have always been empathetic towards those who advocate Nepal sans monarchy. Afterall, panchayat had its chance for 30 years--far more than whatever the system existed post 1989--and yet it also failed to deliver.
On the other hand, demanding a Republic of Nepal also irks me somewhat--not because I do not conform to the idea of a free Nepal, but rather I think it is unrealistic. Given the fact that King G is as shrewd as he's believed to be, and that he has the most powerful institution in Nepal--the RNA--110% behind him, I think fighting for a republic Nepal is like, as someone pointed out some time ago in a different thread, banging your head against the wall. I had suggested to the person at the time that we can perhaps bring over a bulldozer to bring down the wall, for it was obvious that we could not do the job using our heads. Now I have realized that introduction of a bulldozer in the fight against the wall in Nepal would take far longer than I could have ever imagined; and the idea of many thousands more people may have to sacrifice their lives until we achieve our goal has become, to me, rather unacceptable now.
How about a compromise?
If the republicans cannot have their way, and the absolute monarchy is obviously unhealthy for Nepal, perhaps they can settle for a GENUINE AND REAL constitutional monarchy. Some argue that is what we had in the past 12 years. I say, ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? There are 4 particular elements (with regards to the monarchy) in the post-panchayat constitution of Nepal that I think need to be addressed:
a. His Majesty and his heir-apparent should be made liable to the law of the land.
b. Shree Panch must also pay taxes.
c. The members of the parliament should be allowed to discuss ANY matter that concerns the king and his family.
d. Even IF the king is allowed to dissolve the elected house of representatives in an event of an emergency, there should be a provision to check and balance that authority: perhaps the decision of the king to dissolve the parliament can be made reversible if the majority of the Upper House vote against it.
There are many more issues that need to be corrected in the present constitution--maybe they should even introduce an altogether new constitution. The bottom line is that the King must realize he cannot hold absolute power forever if he desires good for his subjects; and the republicans must also accept the idea of a King as a symbolic figure head if they are to have a peaceful democracy in Nepal.
We have argued too long both for and against the monarchy, or a republic, without any results. It is about time we sincerely thought of a solution to free the country of the present impasse that has been mercilessly ending too many lives. Both panchayat and the half-hearted democracy of the past 12 years had their faults--but what we need now is defnitely not pointing fingers and engaging in endless debates over which of the two was right or wrong. End the debates and try to find a solution!
Pheeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwww! What a way to start a new year!!
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| Vision |
Posted
on 02-Jan-03 11:42 AM
MP Ji,
Thank you for taking your time to reflect on my posting and correcting my none politically educated views.
One thing I want to make it clear is that I am no way by any means affiliated with any political parties (either monarchist or republicans or otherwise). I don't have any political leanings nor do I care who rules the country or what system should the country adopt. But I will greatly value human life and peace over anything. And I will endorse any political body who would convince me of peace without the bloodshed.
I strongly disagree with some of the republican leaders' views, "no revolution can be achieved without sacrificing some human lives". I feel even one human life sacrificed is one too many, whatever the cuase may be.
To add further, you wrote, " am not sure if making Nepal a republic will restore peace overnight but I am pretty sure about one thing: we gave up peace to save monarchy".
I am afraid I don't understand your statement here. Perhaps you can enlighten me on this one. I don't think we gave up peace, rather it was taken away. And no prize for guessing who took it away...
Thanks again!
Nepe Ji,
I understand we have fundamentally different views, but i'm sure we can learn to agree upon things should we exchange our views more often. My apologies for misinterpreting your posting.
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| Vision |
Posted
on 02-Jan-03 11:56 AM
Nepe ji,
On a second thought,
(after reading your address to MP ji, and sorry for intervening)
Not to get personal, but do you use the term "republican" to distinguish yourself from maoists? If you have any support or affliliation with maoists, you should say it loud and clear instead of using the term "republican".
But I guess its' upto MP ji...now he is the commander (on a humorous note).
Best wishes!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 02-Jan-03 12:08 PM
Vision ji
Interesting comments, you have made if I may say so.
You have "Visions". How far-sighted is it or near-sighted isn't it? Door-darshi is it or par-darshi isn't it? :)
To my amusement, I have voiced my opinions against "the divine rights" of the kingship and king's keith/kin- ship only to have been labeled a Maoist!!!!
So what 's wrong with "Divine Rights FOR ALL" ? :)
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| Vision |
Posted
on 02-Jan-03 01:41 PM
Sitara Ji,
Thank you! I take it as a 'compliment'. (even though you mean it otherwise)
But if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...then it might very well be a duck.
Even the duck itself might not be aware of that...
Just my thoughts (no offense intended to anyone)
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| vivid |
Posted
on 02-Jan-03 01:57 PM
Vision ji,
What if it is the otherway round.
Even if the bird is chirping, you hear it like a quack (maybe due to impaired hearing or s.t.) and you just generalise it and say they sound the same.
'You', in the sentence is not referred to you personally.
My 2 cents.
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| Vision |
Posted
on 02-Jan-03 03:00 PM
Vivid ji,
I have read many of your views and you have always expressed them fluently (unlike me) for which you have earned my sheer respect. But what you have just wrote doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me ...quite frankly, I am astonished to hear it coming from a person with your level of intellect.
I understand you just wanted to drop few words just for the heck of it...
Your 2 cents are gladly excepted
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 02-Jan-03 03:53 PM
Vision,
Thank you for your comments.
When I said, "I am not sure if making Nepal a republic will restore peace overnight but I am pretty sure about one thing: we gave up peace to save monarchy", by WE, I was referring to the everyone who believes in democracy, particulars the followers of NC and UML (whether the leaders believe in democracy remains debatable at this juncture since some of their actions have been undemocratic). What I meant was we chose the system of monarchy in 1990 where we could have actually uprooted it (I believe with much international support, legitimacy would not have been a problem then). If we have abolished the monarchy, the Maoist war would not have lasted so long. What is blocking the formation of a republic and a constituent assembly is the king, isn't it?
About the use of the word "republican", as Sitara has put, everybody who believes in the system of republic does not have to be a Maoist or a maoist-sympathizer. I can not speak for other *Nepali Republicans* here ( I am using Nepali Republicans to distinguish from the dhani-dominated Republican party in the US), but I do not like the Maoists. This does not, however, mean I dislike everything they do. And I am not a supporter of a communist republic. I believe Indian model of governance is apt for Nepal. So, I favor a 'bourgeoisie republic'--just the type Dr Baburam Bhattarai said (although I doubt if he meant it) he wanted in the interview with Dr Chitra Tiwari recently.
Ani ma commander chhai hoina. I give the crown back to Nepe :).
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| vivid |
Posted
on 02-Jan-03 04:29 PM
Vision ji,
Sorry if I couldn't make it clear straight away, cos I didn't mean to offend. I know for sure, I make a bad encoder.
Yestai ho ke, angrezi afno ta 3rd language.
M.P. ji,
Very articulated views supported by logical back-ups. Keep them flowing.
Regards!
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| PrabasiSwor |
Posted
on 02-Jan-03 05:01 PM
Nepe ji and M.P. ji have put forward excellent arguments for why we need to get rid of Monarchy system in Nepal now. I have been quietly observing the discussion on this topic for some months now (may be years). I am convinced by their arguments.
I am now ready to follow Nepe ji or M.P. ji whoever is ready to command... :-)
So friends are we just going to discuss this all the time or take some action that will help bring some changes in Nepal. How can we make our "Prabasi Swor" heard in Nepal? Sorry, if you are not a "Prabasi"...i am a prabasi..
I think, the next step would be to build international support for republic system for Nepal by educating various governments on other countries. To start, may be congressman and senators in US can be educated regarding this and eventually build pressure for king to step down..
How about taking this idea through one of Nepali organizations in the US to US government?
My pre apology for confusing English..also i do not have greater understanding of political systems as some of you do....just dropping my 2 cents and support..
PrabasiSwor
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 02-Jan-03 08:44 PM
Nepeji,
Credit to me for your stay in Sajha? You must be kidding, sir.
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| Vision |
Posted
on 02-Jan-03 09:25 PM
Oh my my...MP ji ke ho yesto...you have gotten a second endorsement to command the republicans. My survival is at stake here...looks like I have to find an army of my own :)
But regardless, I credit you for making a very interesting (and sensitve) argument. And I sure hope that we can draw a fine line between the republicans and the monarchist at some point in time. But meawhile I wish you all peace, love and forgiveness.
And with that, I retire!
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 02:26 PM
Biswo ji,
No I am not kidding, hajur.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 02:28 PM
Poonte ji,
I have been following you all along since I read your first muhtod reply to the supporters of the active monarchy in one of the old threads. So I am aware of your views. I must say I have not seen anybody more candid, mature and patient than you in criticizing active monarchy. I rank you even higher than Biswo ji and certainly higher than Paschim, VillageVoice and other supporters of the passive monarchy. Anyway, it is quite interesting to see many newcomers Sajhaites confuse you guys with the republicans when they read your selected postings. Bichara harulaai ke thaha, Haatti chhiryo puchchhar adkyo bhane jasto hajurharu rajtantra mai adkirahanu bhayeko chha bhanera. Anyway, in this piece, I will try to argue that the passive monarchy as a functioning and delivering system is far more unrealistic than the establishment of the republic of Nepal and that the alarm, doubt and the fear you guys are having is curable.
Passive monarchy: An Utopian dream
It is needless to argue that the monarchy will always seek ways to get more and more powerful and influential. It actually kept happening slowly and carefully since 2047 without alarming common people and the very weak civil society. It kept happening during the monarchy headed by the bhalaadmi raja, it is happening during the rein of the dhurta raja, it will keep happening during the rein of future haraami raja. It was a 'grand design'. People laugh at Girija when he talks about the grand design. I laugh too. That poor Girija indeed said the truth on two occasions during his whole life, one was at a wrong time and wrong place and the other was for a wrong intention and with a wrong highlight . The first time was at the Vijaya-sabha of Jana-aandolan, when he said- in this democracy, everybody will win, Panchas and the king too. Facts of today speak for themselves. And then the 'grand design'. I don't believe that the palace massacre was a plot as such. But the internal conflict of the royal family was a part of the long term plan of the major players to keep the ruling elite intact for future kaagtaali or coup to regain the lost power fully. The massacre happened accidentally and for emotional reasons and it killed several major players of the grand design. Briefly, it appeared to be a setback for them. But they gathered what was left and, interestingly and quite remarkably, they worked very hard and did wonderful job to give the final shape to the major steps to be taken visibly and with a bang. I will give you an anecdote to illustrate how hard they worked and how careful and relentless they were.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 02:29 PM
Some time after the HM declared the crown prince, a newly wed buhari in their family gathering of the nata-kutumba of Shah-Rana extended family and relatives was surprised by the reaction of her budhi sasu and her budhi saheli-haru when she carelessly said something about Paras. 'Ke bhanisya maiyaley ? Oho sarkaar ta kasto assal hoisinchha'. She looked at them to be surprised even more with their amazing unity and very meaningful stare of those thasulley budhiharu.
Another observation to ponder. Have you ever noticed how Gyanendra is reviving the old tradition and custom of the royal ceremonies and jaijaikar right since he became the king ? I have referred to these well orchestrated steps as 'remystification' of the demystified monarchy in some old sajha discussions.
Allright, without adding much to this, I hope I can convince my readers that the monarchy is not the king alone. It has hundreds of mouths, hands and the brains. It can never remain passive. Nothing will stop them, well except for the republic.
OK, not passive monarchy, how about minimally active monarchy, you know, good monarchy, disciplined and benevolent monarchy ? I mean, what's the harm keeping the monarchy ? How can we afford a possible civil war that might be necessary to remove the monarchy ? How can we fight the RNA, strongly faithful to the king ? The king will kill hundreds of thousands of people before saying goodbye to his throne. This is serious. Forget about it. How about some positive thinking ? Like..thoughts of making good use of the monarchy. How about symbolizing the national unity with it, whatever that means. Or give the job of handling the sankatkalin sthithi. Who is better able to mobilize the army than the king himself ? Raja le hukum garesi muji Mao harulaai dyam ki dyam. War crime na swar crime. Or discipline the prime-minister when he errs. See, how he turned Sher Bahadur into a Shyal Bahadur. Hehehe! Wait a minute, I remembered another good reason. Our identity. Nepali identity. Monarchy is our identity, Sagarmatha is our identity, may be Buddha too. Do you know, muji dhotiharu want to steal our Budhdha. Kaha kaha ho Indian prince bhanera lekheko chha rey. Mampakha ! Malai ta yi muji netaharu ko pani bishwas chhaina. They will bend to India. Our king will not. He is our saviour, our protector. Hamro raja hamro desh, pran bhanda pyaro chha. Shree paanch maharajdhiraj sarkarko Jaya !
I hope I made my point clear, dear readers. Once we dismiss the republican aspiration, what kind of monarchy we want will be not in our hand, rather what kind of people our monarchy wants will be in its hand. We have only two choices- the same old goth or a brand new ghar. The third is Utopia.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 02:30 PM
50 year plan to bring the monarchy under the law and without privileges through the parliament. Jhhingako haati maarne plan.
Let's see how realistic it is. The elephant lives long. Jhinga's life is short. You can not expect every generation of jhinga to be revolutionary. You can not expect every jhinga of the house to be revolutionary. And you can not expect haatti saying yes sir to a bunch of noisy jhingas. And you sure should expect some jhingas on the side of the haatti. And so long as there is a haatti in front of them, most of the jhinga are bound to think they are mere jhinga in front of that haatti. OK, enough of jhhinga. Our parliament is even less likely to do the job of these jhhinga. You are giving me a pro-monarchy parliament and then asking me to hope it will fight with the monarchy. Are we talking about a real world ?
The royal army will kill thousands of people to save the monarchy:
I feel very strange even to write these words. I don’t know how you guys can constantly carry this fear and have faith that you can build an alive and modern nation on the very foundation of this sickening fear (OK I projected it myself, but is it not true ?). If this is what you have all to offer to Nepali janata, I tell you this, Nepali janata are not darchheruwa anymore, they will leave you bewildered and far behind and move forward exactly like they did in 2046. During whole aandolan of 2046, janata were always ahead of the political leaders. Now too, they are ahead of the political leaders, you are just not understanding their language. They are not silent to empower the king. They are just punishing the political leaders for forgetting them and being submissive to the same old power. People speak in a strange language, sir. They don’t use the words that the political leaders and the intellectuals like you and me (ahem) use. But they do speak out loud what they want. We are just failing hear them or dar ley kukrukka parera ochchhyanma sutiraheka chhau. Because we are safe that way. But the people, they are never safe. They have to deal with every danger naked and bare hand- at their home, in sunsaan bagar, in police custody, in army barrack, in the street, there is no safe haven. That’s why there is no point for them to be chased by a nightmare constantly. That’s why they will fight, to get rid of the danger, once for all, with any price. That’s why they do not fear to surround the most powerful and dangerous palace, and bang the wall with their forehead, yes BANG THE WALL WITH THEIR FOREHEAD for they know there is no point listening to the intellectuals ridiculing them for having no Bulldozer from a safe haven !
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 02:32 PM
The army is and will be 110% with the king ? In absence of a popular revolutionary force, yes. But thing will change once the revolutionary force gains polularity and momentum. Proof ? Look at 2046 ko paribartan. Whatever is the situation of power equation today, 2046 chait 27 gatey, everybody was thinking, yes the royal army and all the babusaheb jarsahebharu were thinking, that that’s the end of the power of the monarchy. At that time, after two century of unchallenged absolute power, it was an equivalent of the death of the monarchy. And yet this death was peaceful. Now there is not much for army to gain from the king. If a decisive moment comes, and the army has to decide –to be butcher or to naam bachauney in the book of history, they will only be 50% with the king.
Let's look around. Every dictator that became history had 110% support of their military. OK I stop here. It feels ridiculous to have to teach Sajha ka bidwan haru lai ka-kha-ga of the history of revolution.
A final note. I think Nepal ko ganatantratmak kranti has reached to that point where there is no turning back. However it irks, our dear friends Poonteji, Paschim, Biswo, VillageVoice and other pro-monarchy friends can not stop it. Yes, it is irksome that Maoists took that job and brought it to this point. But they did it because we were impotent. They adopted (OK hijacked) an abandoned child of freedom and liberation. The child has grown up enough to understand that Maoists are not their real father. So it is now our job to bring it to where it truly belongs. It is also the only way to diffuse the Maoists' weapon of mass destruction -that is the communism. If Maoists are able to keep that child with them, the child will turn into a monster which will bring unimaginable destruction and tears. It stime to fear that destruction and snatch that child from Maoists rather than fearing the royal army and submit to it.
Nepe
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| Matrixx |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 08:03 PM
Nepe does not make sense, if you ask me!
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| fidel |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 09:14 PM
if it takes that many words to say something!!! you gotta wonder! i see what you mean, matrixx!
p.s. who the fck r u?
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| Matrixx |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 09:44 PM
fidel, shut up and listen what i have to say. This nepe dude doesnot make sense. Just look at his original posting. Besides, he is easily impressed.
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| fidel |
Posted
on 03-Jan-03 10:15 PM
he is? i thought i was! did you just tell me to shut up? did you?did you? what the hell happened to our deal you moron?!
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| Matrixx |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 08:37 AM
sorry fidel. moment of lapse judgment. that shut up was for other runny mouths.
(pssst... you moron! why are you talking about our deal in the public space? it was only for our ears.)
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| Gandalf_75 |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 09:53 AM
Very interesting and insightful comments by Nepe and M.P. A republic might perhaps be the best thing for Nepal, but as others have in this and previous discussions pointed out, time is not ripe. I'm not suggesting that "revolutions" need to wait for the "right time" but the only organized effort for a republic seems to have come from the Maoists, whose ideology (what ideology??) for the better part, are not shared by anyone here who wishes for a republic. My point here is that, the public wishes in a democratic nation (or even undemocratic nations for that matter) eventually surfaces out, and for Nepal, it doesn't seem to have surfaced out just yet.
Secondly, quite a few people here seem to have accepted without distinction the Maoist call for a "republic" (maybe beneficial) AS WELL AS their call for a "constituent assembly" (totally unnecessary and loaded with problems). In the entire history of the face of this planet, constituent assemblies have been gathered when MANY individual states gather to form ONE. E pluribus unum, being the most famous of such republics. The Nepali constitution, flawed as most are, can be amended to make Nepal a republic, should the need arise; the problems of a constituent assembly to craft a new constitution of a pre-exisiting nation, on the other hand, are insurmountable. Very quickly, think of Surya Bahadur Thapa, Prachanda, Girija and MaKuNe sitting around the table trying to draft a constitution.
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| czar |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 02:22 PM
In Nepe's writing here, I see reflections of another poetic soul, W. H Auden, as he contemplated the war in Europe, expressed his feelings thus:
"All I have is a voice
To undo the folded lie,
The romantic lie in the brain
Of the sensual man-in-the-street
And the lie of Authority
Whose buildings grope the sky:
There is no such thing as the State
And no one exists alone;
Hunger allows no choice
To the citizen or the police;
We must love one another or die.
Defenceless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame."
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 04-Jan-03 02:29 PM
czar
Very heart-rending is the cry for those whom the bells toll!
Thanks for posting this poem! :)
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 12:55 AM
Fellow Sajhaites, I thank you everyone for your comments, add-up and criticisms. I feel encouraged to continue my musings. So here is more.
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Gandalf_75 ji,
Thank you very much for your comments. I particularly thank you for bringing up one of the most important questions of today. I agree with you that the time is not ripe in the country yet for the republican transition. I have also noticed various Sajha commentators recognize this fact in a version suitable to their affiliation and degree of urgency they are able to feel. Some have chosen to wait and see. Others feel comfortable to still remain in where the bigger crowd is. And very few have decided to take personal risk to declare their republican aspirations. Among these, a large crowd is and will remain as doubter until the eve of the declaration of the republic of Nepal. And as has been cases in the past, this crowd will gleefully join the Vijaya Julus of the revolution. I have myself personally witnessed this natural phenomenon in 2046.
That said, the related question is- what is our duty today ? To contribute to the public awareness, education and encouragement for the republic taking personal risk whatsoever or just wait for a convenient time to join in ? People can make their own choice. But whatever they do, they should not ridicule or discourage the republicans. Teso garey thoolo paap laagnechha.
Now, when will be the situation ripe for the republican transition ? To put the other way, what is the situation now ? Like I said, Maoists (however inappropriate they were and however inappropriate means they used) brought the republican revolution this far. Maoists have always said their immediate goal was/is the bourgeoisie democracy-the democratic republic of Nepal. We have every reason to believe that, after their immediate goal is achieved, Maoists might go further to try to establish the people’s republic (communist state) if the situation is rife- meaning if there is enough popular support for it. But I am 200% sure there will never be the popular support for the communism. The democratic republic of Nepal is the ultimate political revolution for Nepal. It is flourish with changed Maoists or without unchanged Maoists.
It will be relevant here to ponder over the actual strength of the Maoists. I think the strength of Maoists is neither the looted money and weapons nor the military trainers of the foreign ‘terrorist’ organizations. It is the popular support and the sympathy. I know some Sajhaits will disagree on this. But the fact is fact. The growth curve of the Maoists is the proof. It is undeniable. If you minus this popular sympathy, Maoists will be nothing. Now, what is this sympathy for ? It is for everything the current satta has failed to provide among which the most important is the removal of the old power. It is for everything but communism. Therefore it is unlikely that Maoists will try to dislodge the eastablished democratic republic, lose popular support, become villain, become modern world’s enemy No. 1, lose newly acquired legitimacy and try to establish the communism. If they ever tried, Nepal baata tiniharu ko pattaa kaatinechha.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 12:56 AM
(contd)
Still about Maoists, was their emergence as the rebellion was an accidental, artificial or natural phenomenon ? As M.P. ji has explained above the momentum of the revolution in 2046 was large enough to go further than the political parties (particularly NC) settled for. Here I am not trying to underestimate what was achieved then. I am trying to keep the record straight in order to understand the further development of the history accurately. I understand that it was imperative to glorify that achievement and/or hope that the limited democracy will somehow and eventually function as the full democracy. So I am not totally unhappy with the political leaders and intellectuals of that period for misrepresenting or exaggerating about the actual condition of that time. One example of widely spread propaganda was love of the king Birendra to democracy which everybody seemed to be believing. The fact is he never did. And it had very significant implication in the running of the semicracy and increasing power of the palace. I will guess that the power brokers viewed it as the stabilizing factor for the country and so accepted. Truth and insider’s view has not come out yet. By the way, Nepal’s formal history particularly related to the palace is full of lies. If you ever want to read Nepal’s history free of falsehood (scrutinized by unafraid researchers), you will have to wait until the establishment of the republic of Nepal. One more reason for the republic, dear book lovers Sajhaites ! Hehehe...
Where was I ? Yes, 2046. OK, so for some good reasons, the fact that people’s thrust for revolution was not quenched then was ignored or get drowned itself into the euphoria of the historical change and forgotten or so we thought, until a new breed of unlikely rebellion emerged. Since I don’t like Maoist’s communist outfit and some of their methods, I prefer to represent them as bad guys (sorry Maoists !). So I will say Maoists stole the unfinished business of 2046 (Chor mora haru !), they hijacked the agenda of socio-economic reform (hijackers !) and terrorized the nirdaliya panchas as well as bahudaliya panchas, the palace and to our dismay some innocent civilians too. Anyway, despite severe wrongs, Maoists got stronger and stronger. I have no doubt at all that we must defeat the Maoists. We can not and should not defeat them by more nightvision helicopters. We can and should defeat them by stealing back the unfinished revolution, unstarted reforms and thus leaving them behind with non-functioning antique weapon of communism.
So the historical need of today are two: help emerge a new political force- revolutionary, republican and non-violent. I think by now there is already a critical mass of that force, some in the country, more scattered around the world. Only problem is that this force is not organized and not active yet. This is exactly where and why more people should come forward to promote the cause of the democratic republic of Nepal and essentially defeat the Maoist and the monarchy both. I have seen many brilliant minds in Sajha. I pray to God (sorry God !) to let them realize how big difference they can make if there is an organized collective endeavor. Its time for another ‘Difference we can make’.
Sorry for a long posting. But I am not finished. Now I want revisit two extremely important question raised by several Sajhaites several times, but not answered by anybody satisfactorily. These are:
1. How about promoting a political compromise among existing powers without hurting anybody ?
2. Republic ? Then who will be the president ? Girija ? MaKuNe ?
(to be continued)
Nepe
promising you a much better president than Girija (M.P. jyu help me out !)
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| rajiv 2 |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 01:56 PM
pheww...nepe, you are one angry dude.
1. your writing is full of hatred
2. your writing is full of foul language
3. you are disrespectful
4. you support maoist terrorists (you deny that just to avoid excessive criticism)
5. you would do anything for republic state, even if it means to kill
6. you are contributing to maoists' agenda (possibly monetarily)
7. you are a maoist
8. you are adding more chaos in already very chaotic situation in the country
9. you are trying to recruit more moaists through this discussion media
10. you are making an attempt to turn this site into a harboring zone for terrorists (much like afganistan for al-queda)
some of you might say, 'that's a serious accusation.' of course it is, somebody has to speak up
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 05-Jan-03 05:03 PM
Rajib 2 ji,
I checked Sajha archive and this is your only posting. So I, as a long timer Sajhaite, I welcome you to Sajha Kurakani. Although you have thrown non-issue accusation instead of sharing your views on the issues I have raised, I thank you for reading me. Obviously I am not familiar to you, so I am not offended by your strong accusations. I will prefer to discuss the issues than to talk about myself. But this time, assuming you are a first timer here, I decided to satisfy your curiosity about the real person of Nepe.
1. In my personal life, I am liberal and very pleasant person or so say my friends which include people from all walks of life and all kind of political convictions. But in political discussion, I prefer to be frank and uninhibited. Brutal honesty and fearlessness is my religion. Hatred, foul language and disrespect that you found must be from that avenue.
2. I hate communism. I believe in the power of Gandhi path of resistance but also understand its limitations. About Maoists, the only things I like are- their commitment (with some doubt) to the bourgeoisie democracy and their revolutionary zeal for social reform. If that makes me a Maoist, then so be it.
3. I have never gave chanda to Maoists. But I will surely give when and if ever they denounced the communism and violence.
4. I am a pro-democracy, pro-freedom and pro-activism person. Yes, I want to use Sajha board for that purpose. But Sajha is also much more than that for me. It’s for fun. It’s for learning the diverse views and talents of Nepali cyber community.
Rajib ji, I hope you are not frightened with me now. If you are really interested know me personally, just let me know it is for a genuine intention and contact me by my email (neppe2002@yahoo.com).
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