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| noname | Posted
on 29-Jul-03 05:18 AM
Ashu, one of most vibrant member of Sajha, is standing with distinction in the business corridor of Nepal, and he is already making his presence felt! Well done, sir! ******** the boss, July ASHUTOSH TIWARI an off-beat strategist  When a New York Investment Bank offered Ashutosh Tiwari a job in May 2000 after he completed his graduation in Economics from Harvard University, he chose to return to Nepal. Today, Ashutosh Tiwari, director at Business Service Aadhar takes immense pride learning the salsa dance and is committed to the Kamaiya (bonded labour) movement, a subject close to his heart. As a student, Ashutosh had been involved in the emancipation process of the Kamayas - bonded labourers in western Nepal. This was while he was back on a holiday from New York The more I got involved in the Kamaya emancipation project, the stronger was the need to see myself in Nepal, he says. Activists are usually very idealistic and often lack the practical and strategic approach of going about things and achieving their goals. That is where I came in, he adds about his involvement with the Kamaiya movement, a skill that he acquired while working for Al Gores presidential campaign. If you acquire the ability to conceptualise things in a strategic manner, you can apply it anywhere be it for the Kamaiya movement or for the promotion of the private sector, says Ashutosh of his current work. I thought I could bring the same strategic thinking to GTZ, when I was offered the job, he adds with great confidence. I am more of a system builder at Business Service Aadhar. We operate on a flat hierarchy and I am proud of the fact that even if I am not here, the organisation will run smoothly, says Ashutosh of his team at the Business Aadhar. Undaunted by the challenges in his organisation, he takes every conflict as an opportunity. It is necessary to have idea-related conflicts and harmony at the same time. If there are too much of both the things then it could be detrimental in fulfilling the organisations goals. Therefore, my role as the director is also to maintain balance between conflict and harmony. We nurture constructive debates so that Aadhar gets the best of everything. Ashutosh believes in other peoples ability to work and take responsibility independently. Therefore, he tries to avoid micro management, which he thinks can get irritating to other people and also get in the way of their efficiency. Business Service Aadhar is a part of the private sector promotion project of GTZ. The role is that of a service provider to the private sector where they help entrepreneurs and business houses with market research, act as a financial catalyst and as facilitator. However, when we were positioned at the head office of a donor agency, many people did not find us approachable, confesses Ashutosh. Therefore, we thought that we should approach people ourselves. We shifted to a convenient location, Heritage Plaza and built our setting in such a way that it resembled a travel agency ready to provide instant service, he adds. Here is the link for more: http://www.readtheboss.com/july/articles/hidden_gypsy.htm |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 29-Jul-03 07:05 AM
Congrats to ashu dai on being featured. As someone who has known ashu personally for almost 2 years now, I am quite impressed with his way of handling things, whether here or in the real business world. Having worked with him on various film festivals in town, I have to say, the man is indeed an offbeat strategist. Come on, how many hardcore business people in Nepal want to learn bartending for fun, go bungee jumping or have time to organize film festivals! Although we have totally different ways of looking at things, we nonetheless have time to meet and drink beer or coffee every once in a while. La dai, oince again congratulations on being featured on The Boss magazine. |
| najar | Posted
on 29-Jul-03 07:11 AM
Ashutosh ji: Wow! quite a momentum in progress :) Congratulations on your accomplishments thus far, and wish you many more to come. Hats off to your ongoing efforts/ actual work that we have had a pleasure to hear/read on sajha and beyond. Do keep it up, and ofcourse keep sharing! |
| Rusty | Posted
on 29-Jul-03 07:17 AM
WOw, congrats Ashu Ji. |
| NK | Posted
on 29-Jul-03 07:45 AM
Ahem! [btw, is that HBR you are reading Ahu? Ali akha tirmirayo kya ;)] |
| VincentBodega | Posted
on 29-Jul-03 09:15 AM
Its an honor Sir ... for God and Country, -- BV |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 29-Jul-03 09:58 AM
Dherai Dherai Badhai cha Ashujyu! I always knew this guy was going places, makes us all Sajhapures proud! Once reason why I nominated him Mr. Sahapur, the most eligible bachelor!! Stylistic suggestion: While the reding portrait gives the aura of a deeply thoughful and intelligent man, I wonder if a Harvard T-shirt or a Harvard cap could have enhanced the overall impact. The HBR might not be enough of a cue to many of the uninitiated in the subtle world of 'product placement' techniques. SC, the occasional aesthetician! |
| makuro | Posted
on 29-Jul-03 05:45 PM
There are not many people who return to Nepal despite lucrative job and cozy life of the West. I think Taranath Sharma is one of them. He made his mark in Nepali literature. But rest of the World hardly knows him. Had he stayed here, wrote in English, probably he would have gotton Internation fame. Ashutosh, despite Harvard's degree and job offer went to Nepal , worked in Nepal. That is very laudable. To me you guys are brave. But one thing I would suggest( I don't know whether I have any authority to do so) don't get carried away or become complacent with 'wah wah' in Nepal. Not I am implying folks like Ashutosh don't do anything in Nepal and still get wah- wah. They contribute but their contribution is just within Nepal. I would love to see people like Ashutosh become stars not only in Nepal but all over the World . Mucho mucho congrats to Aushutosh ! |
| SITARA | Posted
on 29-Jul-03 05:51 PM
Ashu: Congratulations! My best wishes with you always. |
| Dilasha | Posted
on 29-Jul-03 06:13 PM
The business community needs to be more alert and faster to grab opportunities. There is a greater need for collaboration than just competition. Very true. A perfect example would be the deteriorating condition in the hotel businesses in Damside, Pokhara back in the early 90s which I'm sure still prevails. It was the "tachaad machaad" "ta bhanda ma k kam" attitude among the hotel owners and managers that was so typical that instead of increasing revenue, the whole area of Damside was "Sukkha" whereas Lakeside, the next door neighbor of Damside would flourish with development which alas the Damside people hardly noticed much to their dissappointment. If hotel A was charging 15 dollars a night then hotel B would charge 10 dollars then hotel C would charge 5 dollars thus making the whole market very unstable and bitter. Anyways, my best wishes and congraulations to Ashu for being on the road to making a difference not just in the business sector but also in the social development arena. |
| ashu | Posted
on 29-Jul-03 06:33 PM
Baaf ray Baaf, How did you find out about this Boss profile, Noname? This was supposed to be top secret stuff, not to be divulged on Sajha :-) Anyway, thank you for posting this. I really appreciate your doing this, noname. Iso Freak, thanks too for your words. Yes, running the film festivals was a great experience altogether. From China, you can now send us the good movies, no? Najar and Rusty and VB, I appreciate your words. Thank you. Thank you. NK, the photographer insisted that I should look as though I was reading that HBR which was lying on my desk. I agree that the way the photo has come out, it looks pretty cheesily posed, but hey, we are all entitled to our tiny share of amusement, hoi na ta? Thanks. Suva Chintak, "the occasional aesthetician", your excellent suggestion about "product placement" is duly noted. :-) I don't know about the "most eligible bachelor" tagline, but I am under a lot of pressure from my wonderful parents to to settle down soon. Then again, such pressure is part and parcel of living in Nepal close to your parents, hoina ta? Yes, I am going places. Next week, I'll be going to Hetauda. :-) But seriously, really, thank you for your words. Makuro, your suggestion about "don't get carried away or become complacent with 'wah wah' in Nepal" is quite appropriate, and I appreciate your saying it aloud. Yes, I too have seen many good people who ended up being 'damaged' in Nepal because they got too much praise, too much wah- wah too soon, and all that praise/wah wah got to their head, much to the distress of others who had great hopes for them. I will certainly guard against such measures, and try to do the best job I can in whatever I do. Sitara, thanks a million for your words. Appreciate them. Thanks, everyone for your words of encouragement and good cheer. oohi "hoping not to get carried away with these 15 minutes of fame" ashu ktm,nepal |
| ashu | Posted
on 29-Jul-03 06:38 PM
Dilasha, Just saw your posting. Thank you for your words. There is actually a lot to be done in Nepal, and I hope more and more of you will come back, even temporarily for a few months to a year. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| Nepe | Posted
on 29-Jul-03 08:47 PM
Ashu, Badhai ta chhadai chha, tyo bhanda pani badhi, I am celebrating this delightful feature. Arulai ke ko dhanda ghar jwai lai khana kai dhanda bhane jhai, I keep you in my list that I want to show to those who don't believe in Nepali PEOPLE for guts, vision, leadership, determination and hard work and rather advocate for an archaic institution to run the country. You dont know how much happy and proud I was to see you featured and read such an inspiring introduction to what you chose for yourself ! |
| vivid | Posted
on 30-Jul-03 02:15 AM
Ashu ji, Congratulations! & Me thinks Nepal needs you more than the international arena do, NO?. Hope, the satisfaction overweighs the success, so that Nepal feels proud to have you around. A well wisher! |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 30-Jul-03 02:30 AM
Oh i thought the guy in the picture as Prof Greg Manikiw...Hamrai Ashu ji parnu bhayechha... CONGRATULATION Proud of Your Achievements |
| Jhilke Kyailan | Posted
on 30-Jul-03 04:29 AM
congratulations to ashuji.....his efforts in nepal as well as here in sajha have seemingly been noticed and very much appreciated. turning down wall street (in itself an achievement I'd say) to return to the homeland makes his achievements doubly commendable. Just wondering which bank it was that lost such a talented individual, they must be kicking themselves. anyway congrats . |
| Silicon | Posted
on 30-Jul-03 10:30 AM
Yeah.....I'm also curious to know which bank it was that took the blow from Ashu-ji's rejection. I don't want to spoil the party here, but somebody from Boston who knows him well (nop, not his 'friends' from Somerville) said that the truth is, Ashu-ji was offered a starting job by a bank in New York, but they cancelled it afterward. Although he wanted to come back to the US, he had no papers. Ashu-ji found it hard to find a job in the US coz he took 10 years to graduate from a 4 year college, and employers found that very suspicious. So he found a job in Nepal at a german agency. Ashu-ji can tell us if this is true? Frankly, as someone who worked at a consulting company before going to B-School, I also wonder what kind of 'offbeat strategist' or business consultant Ashu-ji must be when he has no MBA or grad school degree, no serious publications, no experience in running a business, and he gets his money from a donor agency and not the clients! Hope they are not just impressed by his namedropping of old Harvard Business Reviews every 12 minutes!!!!! Ashu-ji, do explain.....this is a thread to celebrate you, so we can celebrate your sacrifice and talent even more! ....Silicon the skeptic..... |
| Sadabichar | Posted
on 30-Jul-03 10:36 AM
Buddham Saranam Gachhami. |
| gokul | Posted
on 30-Jul-03 10:43 AM
When I used to come home in vacation during my studies, my friends and relatives were more interested in how much I earned rather that what I studied and learnt. In Nepal, knowledge and money are seen as two contradictory and often antagonistic things. We talk about knowledge but crave for money. Unless we free our psyche from this dialectic, we will fail both spiritually and materially. We must be honest about the importance of money and what better discipline there is than "Business" that can illustrate and glorify it. Ashu, our country needs people like you - who can show how to make money, work hard, live and let others live. Congratulations. |
| ashu | Posted
on 30-Jul-03 07:24 PM
Nepe, Vivid and Bhunte and Gokul, Thanks a million for your words. Appreciate them. Nepe, let's meet up in Kathmandu and do plenty of guff-suff about theater and much else besides. We still need to get to the core of that 'republican' debate. Jhilke Kalyan, Thank you for your words. Silicon asks: "Ashu-ji can tell us if this is true?" I am glad that you asked this question. And without any fuss. I can tell you: No. Not at all. There are some people, who, because of their ignorance, like to understand my enrichingly complicated life through a starkly narrow black and white format and want to judge me accordingly as IF I have to live up to their sense of who I am. But, you know what, that's THEIR problem, NOT mine. And so, just because some people insist on judging me with their own narrow criteria and through rumours they have heard from others, that does NOT mean that I owe them explanations in a public forum or that I need to be defensive at all. My attitude is: Let those people think whatever the hell they want to think about me. If they are impressed, fine. If not, fine too. If others want to badmouth me in their living room, fine . . . more power to them. My self-image and self-confidence and self-awareness do NOT depend on what other people think of me. And that's why I can afford to take this BOSS profile with amusement about my own Warholian15 minutes of fame and with aw-shucks cheer, without making it a big deal at all. Still, if you or anyone else want to post such patently fase and khattam stuff about me, sure, go ahead. It will have absolutely NO effect on me. But it will have effect on you: because the more you post about me, the more I shall occupy YOUR mind and YOUR heart, and perhaps that's not a bad thing, is it? FInally, I happen to be very proud of my achievments so far, and I know that I have a lot more to do, and you know what, mark my words, I will do even more in and out of Nepal in coming years. Comments like yours act like fuel to my ambition, and I thank you for them. And I say that Life, let's be real, is NOT a 100-meter race. It's a marathon with many ups and downs. I have had my ups. I have had my downs. And having survived my ups and downs, I am still running this marathon -- ENJOYABLY, PRODUCTIVELY on my own terms right here in Nepal. And I am FAR from the finish line. If you have a probem with that, well, ke garne? oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| GP | Posted
on 30-Jul-03 08:03 PM
Silicon, Ashu can be judged first by going through his St. X website. Ashu was best outgoing student of Batch 1986. Another criteria. I remember a professor gave 50% score to someone in our univ., not for answering the question, but, leaving a space for answering it. So, Ashu's graduation in 10years for a course work of 4years, I will not reject him, but, I will try to find him what did he do in that 10years which could have been finished in 4 years? Dedication and other experiences he gained in that extra 6 years, should be searched? Its not like in Nepal where I spend two years coursework in 5 years just because of our idiot leaders in college who were indulged in strike and closing the classroom for each and every thing. So, even if Ashu spent 10years to complete 4 years course, the employer if s/he is generous and talented should use IBM's answer to someone employee who made IBM to loss 600,000dollars: The question: will you fire that employee who made you loss 600,000dollars? IBM Personnel replied: No, how can we fire an employee who has such an expensive experience. Similarly, I am sure the employers must be looking for reason why he spent 10years? Ashu must have answers if he had really spent 10years to complete 4 years course. Well, I don't think it necessary for him to answer this question in this public place. But, for a guy who was best out going student at Nepal's Prestigious school, would not have spent 10years just to clear the exam papers designed for regular students. Terzaghi, mechanical engineering student by admission, took huge courses in geology, was once about to be fired from university during his bachelor's studies. Then, a professor in the department defended Terzaghi and let him continue taking more geology subjects than mechanical engineering. He graduated as mechanical engieer, but, with geology as major ..... what a wonderful. The professor who defended him, gave reason that this guy must be exceptionally brilliant, and such students should be treated uniquely than regualr "ghissu" students. Well, Terzaghi later became geological consultant to Russians and later to Americans. He moved to Harvard Univ. became a professor there at Harvard and established a new theory using his geological knowledge and mechanical engineering ideas ......... Now, some peoples call him the father of modern soil mechanics, and thats what my major is....... Terzaghi supervized almost all dams made in his life span in north and south america. .............. I am sure there are some brilliant peoples who if looked in normal eyes are behaving like a lower grade students, but, are in fact have different ability and fail to fall in average students and can not clear that 4 years courses in four years. I also had a similar classmate in my bachelor studies who was in SLC board 's top 10 list and he always behaved differently, and spent same class twice not because he was dumb, but because he engaged himself in different activities to gather experiences ........ Finally, he showed his ability at the very last project work. He got the higest score that no teacher believed .............. These kinds of unique peoples are the one who have ability to change the face of the world. ............... That is my feeling and experiences. I can see similar students around here. How they fail to complete 4 year courses in 4 years, but, wait until the max. time frame the univ. offers to them to graduate. .... If we fail to recognize them, that will be big loss to university and what a university means for? Such unique students are the pride of universities that recognize them and their specialities. Regards. GP |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 30-Jul-03 08:34 PM
Silicon ji, Whoever you are we have no basis to compare you vs. the person you are charging. I heard of Ashu as a good personality several years ago while I was in some other country in the course of my academics. And, I was always wondering who this person might be then. Till now we don't know each other personally except encounter some postings here. Silicon, you have to be pragmatic and broaden your mind little bit. Forget about four year or ten year stuffs. Even getting an admission in that University itself a great achievement, while acceptance rate is usually 10-20%. Four year undergraduate is for those who have full financial support from parents or the local students on loan. But, not for students from poor country like Nepal who have to work 20 hr/wk with a pay @$6/hr, and still have to afford Harvard non-resident fee which is doubly costly compared to other public schools. So, I wont be surprised if the degree program took little bit longer. Had I posted the same as you did I find your remarks somewhat stupid (actually you could have emailed him if you were really curious) for one not being able to understand how hard our fellows working here to achieve their educational and career objectives. Moreover, it is hard to find real patriotic personality like Ashu these days. He went back to Nepal because he found he can do a lot to improve the quality of life of lots of people in Nepal, some of them are street children who were suffering miserable life there. Don't worry about who is supporting Business Service Adhar. I will spread words and refer to those organizations for Ashu's benevolent services whenever I get an opportunity. There will be more GTZ like organizations who will be after him for his services. I salute to Ashu for what he has been doing for Nepal and Nepalis even during such a turmoil situation of the country. Keep up your excellent works and bring more surprises...Again, best wishes for your organization! |
| ashu | Posted
on 30-Jul-03 08:53 PM
GP-ji, I did NOT spend all those years in America. I'll be very happy to give you a brief rundown here. I got various university grants to travel to work in Nepal when I was a student in the US. Once, I took time off to work under Prithivi Raj Legal at the National Planning Commission in Nepal. That job exposed me to ways as to how Nepal makes or does not make development plans. I made lots of useful contacts which still serve me quite well. The other time, I worked with activist Dilli Chaudhary and others in Banke, Kailali, Kanchanpur and Dang zillas for a long time. Today, many of those activists are still my good friends. I also traveled extensively across Nepal and read and learnt as much as I could about this country. The other time, I took time off to take care of some family responsiblities . . and through my efforts that time, I was able to help my four younger brothers to achieve better education. All of those brothers are doing very, very well by themselves, and I, as the eldest one, am very, very proud of them and want the very best for them. During my time-off in Nepal, I also threw myself into encouraging and actively helping, for instance, Shailesh Nath Gongal and others to pursue graduate and undergraduate studies in the US. And I thank Shailesh, and others, for their CONTINUING public and private gratitude for my little help. They are all wonderfully sunny people, and I wish them my best. So, you see, being a smart guy, I was NOT sitting idle -- twiddling my thumbs. I was meeting people, I was traveling, I was working, I was helping my family, I was educating my younger brothers, I was reading, I was writing for publications, I was shaping public debates, and, in a nutshell, I was quite busy, learning about life and more. And Harvard is such a remarkably self-confident institution that it, with blessings in terms of scholarships, travel grants and recommndatoions, fully encouraged me to learn more in and away from Cambridge, Mass. Few Nepalis are as lucky as I was to have a great university supporting my academic and non-academic interests. Now, is that all that such a bad thing? And so, in narrow black and white terms that some people draw up, I FAIL to see what the fuss over me is all about. Is it bad to delay one's FORMAL educaton to help one's brothers and one's family in Nepal? Is it bad to have won grants to work and travel to Nepal and work in Nepal for extended periods? Is it bad to have helped Shailesh Nath Gongal and others with their application essays? Is it bad, to quote Robert Frost, to have taken "the road less traveled by"? I mean, what exactly is the fuss about? Some people do NOT seem to understand that I remain very happy with and proud of my life ko script so far. Unlike other Nepalis, am NOT racing against anybody else. I have set my own priorities, my own milestones, and I am achieving them -- one at a time at my own speed. That's why, if some people are NOT happy with my relatively unconventional and eclectic life ko script, well, at least, they can tell themselves that it's NOT their life and let me enjoy mine to the fullest. If not, well, tough luck. Life goes on. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| Neural | Posted
on 30-Jul-03 09:58 PM
"kukur ko puchchar...... sadhai bango" Euta Nepali le valo/unnati/pragati gareko dekhepachhi arko gorkhali lai tension. Then, he/she wud start searching his historical data, which has nothing to do in present. 1) WHY NEPALI CAN'T change this stupid habit? 2) Why he/she wants to know his/her in detail-- ke khayo, ke lagayo, hizo rati kaha gaako...ko sanga gaako...kaha suteko...... tarkari ke khako...noon kati haleko bla bla bla....? 3) Why one has to be jealous by seeing others improvement? Still, these things are found in our society, and it is seen in this thread too even from an educated (i hope so) Nepali. Bhunte dai "Even getting an admission in that University itself a great achievement,.." "A Nepali in Harvard" sunda nai ramailo............desh kai saaan. YO garva ko kura hoina ra??? of course it is. Ashu jyu, i really wish u success in your forthcoming steps. Whole Nepal/Nepali/Sajhapur's best wishes are with you. |
| GP | Posted
on 30-Jul-03 10:51 PM
Ashu, For last 10years, I know you in this cyberspace. I have seen you traveling to Nepal and the most interesting things was to hear the live notes from Nepal regarding Dilli chaudhary's work. Lets not forget Dilli got prestigious prize of 25,000 dollars. I had also seen you moderating discussions in TND. When you left to Nepal, TND was for sometime almost dead. I had also seen you writing an appeal when four Nepalis chained themselves in Korea. .... I have always seen you walking on the other side of my computer screen. It has been great pleasure to company last 10years with you in this cyberspace. Keep up, and lets not forget the quote: "when you put a foot mark in this world, watch out guys with erasors". Yes, there are guys with erasors roaming around you and all those who have their own footmarks on earth. When there are so many marks, these guys with erasors will finally get tired of erasing your footmark.............. Its the real world. The only solution is to move ahead....... Lets not forget that only those who can go away from the route others have already discovered can have their own footmark. Learning never ends, and learning and practicing are two parallel events. I am confident that your experience will be effective in changing the face of Nepal and Nepalis. Regards. GP |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 30-Jul-03 11:00 PM
Namaste |
| ashu | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 01:37 AM
GP, Bhunte and Neural, Thank you for your words. I appreciate them. On a larger note, letting our hair down, let's all be adults here. I mean, it's perfectly ALL RIGHT for me to get attacked here. Strategically, the more these attacks come in anonymous forms, the more chances I shall have to set the record straight -- CLEARLY, PUBLICLY, OPENLY and HONESTLY -- and set it straight with VERIFIABLE truth. And the kind of eye-to-eye confidence that I can bring is something my attackers, in their fake-names, can NEVER enjoy for themselves. Sure, the attacks might entertain/amuse/shock some for a while, but, hey, since life is a marathon lasting a long time-- and NOT a 100-meter race lasting a few seconds -- who knows, today's momentary entertainment may end up being the source of tomorrow's regrets!! And so, my attackers know that if they were to use their own name to fully stand behind their attacks, they would immediately lose credibility. So, they have to opt for the safe-to-them option, that of posting rumors in a fake name, and that's quite understandable. Sympathetically, what else is really available to these people anyway? When you view the attacks with such lens, you start feeling sorry for these guys, and start to wish them well. And so, the point, I have learnt, is to fully ACCEPT attacks as a price one has to pay for being visible and vocal -- as I am -- and learn to live with them, while sticking close to one's own life ko goals on one's own terms, no matter how deeply one is praised or attacked in public .. . for both praise and attacks are ultimately fickle anyway. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| RBaral | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 04:47 AM
Congratulations to Ashu. I wish I visited this site more often. Namaste, Rishi |
| RBaral | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 05:03 AM
I would like to add the following things to my previous postings. Immediately after checking this site, I could not resist my temptation to congratulate Ashu. That was what the last posting was about. Spending more than 4 years of traditionally defined time for an undergraduate study is a matter of personal choice. There might be other conditions what might have led Ashu for that. That does not make one less (or more) smart. While judging Ashu's smartness, I would not go ahead and backtrack as to what he did and where he went in his past. What is important is how he deals with in his life. As a person who has known Ashu since about almost a decade (although vicariously, I have not met him personally), I decipher that Ashu is a very smart guy. Ashu, keep it you. You are a genius. Regards and Namaste, Rishi |
| Kata Laga | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 10:00 AM
Ashujyu, Shailesh Gongol has nothing to do here.Silicon = Mainbatti = Paschim = SW.He felt humiliated by how you blew the cover off his Planning Commission work.He tried but could not trap you in the Deepak Gyawali discussion.This was his long-awaited revenge.Brace yourself. from a well wisher, |
| Nepe | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 02:32 PM
Ashu wrote: >Nepe, let's meet up in Kathmandu and do plenty of guff-suff about >theater and much else besides. We still need to get to the core of that >'republican' debate. Sure, Ashu. I will let you know when I'll be in the town next time. Include in the list some she-o-shayari too. Would be nice for me if we can have a small mahefil of rasik Sajhaites too. ************* Now a small note on Silicon ji's ridiculing and questioning Ashu's professional life. First of all, let me say it right away that I don't mind to discover Ashu's shortcomings. (What I already know about him is enough for me to have a secure respect for him. That's not going to change !). But I have a serious problem with people who hide behind the veil of anonymity to hurt another person who has a real identity. I am not against the culture of anonymity yet. I still think that on non-personal subjects, anonymous poster can make better debates than the posters with real identity. However, I have seen so many accounts of misuse of anonymity in sajha I am not a strong advocate of anonymity anymore. I am thinking perhaps its time to think about devising a mechanism in Sajha that will discourage people to misuse anonymity. If there is enough support, I would propose that every poster should register in Sajha with their real identity which should be known only to the webmaster. When they post, they can do so with a pseudo name, as we, anonymous posters, have been doing. The overall effect of this arrangement will be that while we still enjoy our anonymity among the posters, we will be discouraged to post irresponsible postings because the webmaster knows us. Na kunai Sillycon ko tantaa, na kunai Kata Laga le reputed poster ko badnam garne dus-prayash ko chinta. Anybody for semi-anonymity in Sajha from now on ? |
| whine and chij | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 02:43 PM
tiwari's posse to the rescue! silicon sure touched a raw nerve. saddle up, boys! |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 03:15 PM
Dear WC jyu, You sure got a knack for pithy one-liners! Where do get them form? Enjoyed many of them! SC, the wit appreciator |
| baljoshi | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 03:19 PM
this article led to the interesting site "BOSS" that I briefly skimmed through. It's always good to see Nepali business publications; be it talking about strategy or simply an autobiography. Its truly a great resource. I hope to read more stories on Nepali Entreprenuers that are truly making a difference doesn't matter if its Dinesh lal from Giant Co. like ICTC or an offbeat strategist that took 10 yrs to graduate. The story behind each individual is truly unique and a thirsty reader should try to grasp a messg from the story and hopefully enhance their knowledge capital. The short article on Ashu was a good story on person who probably falls under a minute % of young nepalis who return back to Nepal. It sets an example and more than anything else its a good success story. It is similar Suceess stories that are missing to change the unforgiving mindset we have created due to frustrations. I hope more and more readers will take it as a dose for optimism and personal growth. So ashu kudos to you! however, I don't think you should justify yourself so openly. When you do that you are inviting people into your personal life. You can't change how people think about you so be it. When you are spread on the cover of a magazine you don't know where you are going to end up. I liked your line where you mentioned "But it will have effect on you: because the more you post about me, the more I shall occupy YOUR mind and YOUR heart, and perhaps that's not a bad thing, is it? " A word of advise let this line do the talking:-) You on the other hand should what you are doing. Cheers! |
| pravin_pandey | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 03:48 PM
Ashuji Congratulation on your accomplishments. Very few of us go back to Nepal after education in the west and you not only went back but you seem to be doing very well. With a Harvard degree, you could have landed a job of your choosing here in the US, but you chose to go back to Nepal: my hat off to you. You are the subject of this thread and the question why it took you 10 years to get a 4 year degree is a fair question. You did reply to it in general terms but you seem offended by it, which is how I felt. A competent individual can do lots of things in six years and the things you said you did during that time does not seem to justify the time you took doing them. You must have done more during that time and if you care to share with us it would be nice. If you feel that is none of your business that is your rights and I do respect it. In good spirit Pravin |
| ReconFella | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 04:52 PM
Having accorded Ashutosh the benefit of doubt over a diploma adorning his office wall after his meandering ways a decade in the lasting (I know him only through his much acclaimed erudition, and stage performances back in the school days- a laudable personality, unsurpassed by a great many of us), to all the rest of you chiding half-wits I must say: c' mon, get real! PC up your wazoos, 10 years to graduate lends itself to subjection to every form of ridicule the world's seen! On anonymity: Unless you had a gauntlet squeezed up your courtly derriere to unroot that unsightly blob of a brain squarely from that cranium and dragged down the stretch of your bowels, you must've been aware, between the urge to showcase those 3 digits in your IQ or your comely mug, that it's a jungle out there and if you forsake your anonymity for that 15 mins of fame then irrevocable as it is you stand to catch flak for a long time in the coming. Whoever told you everyone else played fair, and with the same set of rules??!! Hell, I go to extremes to preserve mine, why should I make allowances for your indolence, or your ignorance- charity, I find to be most irksome. Hello to y'all from "Spain"! :) |
| (*)Y(*) | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 04:56 PM
>>my hat off to you is that a typo or saachikai haat chhodne kura garya? ;) ;) in the spirit of some humor, (*_)Y(*_) |
| _BP | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 05:24 PM
Ashu: As an old friend, it's nice just to be able to see pictures of you. Especially after such a long period of "visual anonimity" here on Sajha. Congratulations on being profiled. I can perhaps lay claim to knowing you earlier than anyone else here. Rest assured that your real friends know where you come from. _BP |
| ashu | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 05:33 PM
Taka Laga, I don't know whether to believe you or not. But thanks for your information. I have no problem taking this up directly with Swarnim when I meet/see him next. At the least, it's worth draining any residual anger he may have. Let's see. If not, that's life. Nepe, Bal Joshi, Pravin Pandey and Reconfella, Thank you all for your words. Again, quite simply: If I were to go back and change my past, there is NOTHING I would change. I am what I am today -- warts and all -- because of the choices I made in the past, and I am proud of and happy with them. I enjoyed making the journey that I had to make ON MY OWN TERMS, and frankly, that has made all the difference to me. If that's an issue for some people, well, tough luck. oohi "smiling and looking foward to posting more Nepal-related stuff on Sajha" ashu ktm,nepal |
| ashu | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 05:36 PM
_BP, It's great to hear from you. Thanks, Wasserkoph. And a very Happy Birthday to you!! oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| ruby | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 05:50 PM
i dont think its Paschim, just others who wanna create more rife between Ashu and Paschim... congrats ashu on doing great things for Nepal. It is so great that you took time off to help your brothers. that is the best thing anyone can do for theri family.that alone is the biggest acheivement, so and your brothers can all live a happy life together. |
| ashu | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 07:09 PM
I agree with you Ruby. Still, whoever was Silicon, no harm was done at all. I fully expect to be questioned and challenged -- even anonymously -- just as I enjoy questioning and challenging others' ideas, and accepting that is a kind of sportsmanship that suits me just fine on Sajha. RBaral-ji, thanks a million for your words. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| phateko_kattu | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 07:53 PM
"Yo kura Bujhne lai Gahiro Cha ...Nabujhne Lai Ghar Muni Pahiro Cha '....paan ko paat ..maya timilai samjhanchu din ko raat ..marshyangdi flow flow flow :0) Hazurko Zindagi ma success ...marshyangdi jhai flow flow flow howosh !!!! Badhai cha ashu ji !!! uhi Phateko kattu |
| Jhilke Kyailan | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 12:21 AM
I feel for Ahu, I really do....He has been a giant here in Sajha enlightening us with his words and amusing us with his wit. For all his efforts in helping make Sajha a great "NEPALI" site to visit, all he seems to get is grief and ridicule. However, when you make your self a publically visible figure then all of that is to expected. People will ask awkward questions and those questions must be fully answered, so as not to leave any doubt. Others use the cloak of annonimity to launch scathing personal attacks. Those should be ignored. If one responds with ones own attacks lashing out instinctively trying to protect oneself, then, in my book at least, that person has lost some credibility. I think Ashu understands that and acts accordingly. He does the best he can and knows that he can hold his head high. What does not kill you can only make you stronger. In response to Nepe, I have to say I agree with Reconfella, although I probably couldn't have been so eloquent. Although anonymity can and has been abused here in Sajha, the other side is, it keeps the would be pretenders on the straight. Questions can be asked and have to answered. |
| ashu | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 12:55 AM
>>>However, when you make your self a publically visible figure then all of that is to expected. People will ask awkward questions and those questions must be fully answered, so as not to leave any doubt.<<< Fair enough, JK! But let me point out that I did NOT start this thread, did not post the news about myself nor did I proclaim myself "to be a publically visible figure". When 'noname', in obvious goodness and friendliness, posted it, I was surprised, but took it in a positive, pleasant way, and played along -- without getting, as per Makura's suggestion, carried away by the profile. I remain appreciative of noname's effort, but knew that such a breezy publicity would rankle someone somewhere sooner or later. Still, like I have said here again and again, having nothing to hide, I FULLY welcome the so-called awkward questions, and have done my best to answer them with verifiable truth. Look, I don't want to sound corny or prissy: But I think that an ability to deal with awkward questions in a reflective manner without losing one's cool, without attacking the other side and without being defensive is also a skill worth mastering in today's age. That's the message I do want to impart, by example, to my long-time Sajha friends. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| noname | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 04:06 AM
Wow Wow&look at the course this thread is heading to! When I was surfing the web, I came across - by complete fluke, I should say - the boss page where Ashu was featured. I was excited to read the article, and my intentions to post here were to introduce adventures of one fellow poster, introduce 'the boss' among sajhites, and what not! Now, I realize that it would have been better, had I not posted something that had potential to be used as attacking point for a noble person. I am sorry for that, and assure you all that I'll think twice now onwards before venturing in something unusual in sajha. But the damage has already been done. Now, I can only hope that it won't get further low. That aside, let me bring to notice an old issue here. One young, bright and brilliant person was appointed as secretary of National Human Rights Commission, Nepal in 2000. He, 30 at that time, was a graduate in human rights law from Hong Kong University, and was selected on the basis meritocracy. It was learned later that one member of NHRC blamed, wrongly, that he was using fake certificates. He resigned from NHRC (later he clarified in a letter to the editor in Kantipur that his resignation was not based upon the charge by that member. He dismissed that charge as ridiculous, if I remember it correctly.) The reason I am raising this issue is that the place we are talking about is Nepal where a large chunk of people are using fake certificates to get a government job. So, no wonder sometimes even people from MIT are confused with those from Mujjfarpur Institute of TantaKhallas! In such an embarrassing situation, those learned ones usually save themselves just by a wide grin. It's only matter of personal choice how wide you can go, and matter of personal judgment how you show that grin in the cyber world where communication is hampered by lack of physical gestures and complicated by anonymity. So far as I am concerned, I envy Ashu. **** STUDIES serve for delight, for ornament, and for ability. Their chief use for delight, is in privateness and retiring; for ornament, is in discourse; and for ability, is in the judgment, and disposition of business. For expert men can execute, and perhaps judge of particulars, one by one; but the general counsels, and the plots and marshalling of affairs, come best, from those that are learned. To spend too much time in studies is sloth; to use them too much for ornament, is affectation; to make judgment wholly by their rules, is the humor of a scholar. From "OF STUDIES" by Francis Bacon ***** |
| Jhilke Kyailan | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 07:42 AM
Ashu , I agree with you completely and want to say on the record that I feel you respond to such attacks in a dignified and just manner. Have been regular of sajha for almost a year now and during that time the number of slanderous comments that have been made against you is really too much. However, your retorts have always been measured and appropriate. For that my respect for you has grown. Please don't get me wrong, I was never implying that you claim yourself to be a public figure, or that this posting was started for your personal self-agrandisement. All I wanted to point out was that you are a public figure and that certain elements will attack you because of it. You post under your own name and have the confidence to speak your mind, so obviously, you are an easy target. This thread is an perfect example. Someone posted the article as an appreciation of your efforts and lo and behold it has turned into something almost ugly. Unfortunate isn't it. |
| Deep | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 07:54 AM
Leave Paschim alone, here. I very much doubt that Paschim would come in here as silicon and vent, the way silicon has, his anger at ashu. the writing pattern of silicon is much different than that of paschim or SW. Also, I have strong faith on Paschim's integrity. I would be EXTREMELY surprised to find him as silicon. *How long did Ashu take to graduate and why* I am not getting why this issue is so important. I do not see him resorting to the time span of 10 years to establish or defend his position or argument on who he is. I think he is focusing on the process he went throgh in all these/those years than counting the numbers in defending his position. Am I wrong? Let's do a self-evaluation here, "how many of us are willing and capable of doing what he has and is doing.?" I am not talking about personal issues. If we think he is not doing anything good in Nepal then what bad is he doing there? Whether he is in Nepal by his choice or not seems irrelevant to me. Objective not subjective analysis claims credebility. We all know this. Let's be fair. No need to praise or denounce him to quash or boost our personal reflection or caged and clipped ambition. |
| Jhilke Kyailan | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 08:11 AM
yeah leave Paschim out of this....don't believe he would stoop that low as to come here under another name and defame someone else. He has to much integrity for that. If he wanted to say anything he would do so under his own name..... |
| Kata Laga | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 11:05 AM
Ashujyu, Silicon = Mainbatti = Ruby = Paschim = SW.He felt humiliated by how you blew the cover off his Planning Commission work.He tried but could not trap you in the Deepak Gyawali discussion.This was his long-awaited revenge.He almost got away with a perfect murder.Think game theory. from a well wisher, |
| czar | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 11:13 AM
Congratulations, Ashu ! Its an honour well deserved. I know you from but what I read of you here, but I felt that of particular brilliance was your transformation of street urchins into entrepreneurs. There's the old adage of 'give a man a fish..", that you used to effectiveness. Good luck with your projects. I have a question for you though: do you have any experience in branding and brand management? If so, I have a few thoughts swirling in my mind that requires assistance to flesh out. [Responses from anyone else is welcome too, just email me please, lets not digress too far from the thread's main thrust.] On Kata Laga's charges: I've known Paschim only through his writings here, but I find him to be a first rate scholar and a gentleman. Most unlikely to stoop the level of your accusations. From your actions here Kata Laga, it seems obvious that you have an axe to grind where Paschim is concerned and found this to be an opportune moment to spread some venom. Neither Ashu nor Paschim is stupid enough to take the bait. So move along. Afore the posse scalp's yuh. |
| najar | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 11:39 AM
For those of us who have known Paschim offline would not hesitate to state--Paschim is not Silicon. From Ashu's postings, i gather that he too knows Paschim offline, and i am sure he knows better if Paschim were to challenge him, he would do it openly as has in the past. Showing a bit of decency, and writing a credible, accountable posting(s) perhaps would be conducive for sustaibility as opposed to taking a momentary attention approach. But then again, what do i know! Ashu, thanks for sharing other rich experiences that you have captured ! Bravo, and keep up the spirit! |
| ashu | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 08:48 PM
Kata Laga, Let's leave Paschim out of this, all right? Even if it was indeed Paschim (which I strongly doubt), FYI, no harm was done. After all, honestly confronting one's own self is always a healthy, self-cleansing exercise, and I always welcome such an opportunity anytime anywhere. Czar, Najar and JK and noname, Thank you for your words. BTW, the BOSS ko site has an INCOMPLETE write-up about me. I will post the complete version next week on Sajha, once I get it in an email format from the Boss ko editors. That said, I might as well tell you guys that -- WITHOUT our seeking publicity or without our requesting journalists to write about us -- another magazine in Nepal called ECS (August issue) has done a detailed write-up on our attempt to turn, with mentoring and startegic advice, former street children into entrepreneurs. The title of that article, written by Arlene Shale, is "Recycled Lives." Like I said, there is a lot, and a lot to be done in Nepal -- in small, small ways. And if an idiot like me can be doing sano, sano kaam to gain surprisingly positive publicity here in Nepal, surely there are many of you -- who are ten times smarter and 20 times more accomplished than I am -- who could -- just think -- be doing a lot more. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| Qallu | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 09:50 PM
Ashu got some publicity. Great. But now everyone, including me of course, has to come and say something... blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Of course Ashu had to come out and take a bow, "thank you" "thank you" "thank you" "thank you for your kind words. Little ole me? Why thank you!" And the green eyed monster - the naysayer - had to come out and do the "bhyaguta ko khutta tan" routine. and of course Ashu had to come back, indignant, righteous, swords ablaze - hyaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bravo! kya melodrama!! wah wah!! Unfortunately, it is soooo routine, so typical, so formulaic, it is pathetic! My two boring two cents thrown in the midst ........................... |
| Paschim | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 10:11 PM
Did he or did he not, right? After all this faith placed in me, there is a strong temptation to just fire away a message with righteous indignation, blast my accuser, and categorically deny that I was Silicon. Keep denying, the thread will die, people will forget, and everyone moves on. But let me opt for the hard way. And the right one. Noting our occasional tendency to shoot the messenger if we don't like the message, recognizing the inevitability of emotions when human relationships are involved, recalling that this is a public forum with potential for a fully theatrical expression of opinions, let me confirm that I, Paschim, am also Silicon. And I take responsibility for what was said above in connection with the subject of this thread, and I will bear the consequences for what and how I decided to say it. There were two points in the article that bothered me. First, the very first line. This was portrayed as deeply patriotic, and many posters rightly appreciated that. But privy to information from crucial sources (one being Ashu himself for part of the info, and the other I won't reveal now), I thought this claim was misleading, if untrue. The information I was given suggested that Ashu found himself under distinctive circumstances that made him make a career choice in 2000 that was not according to his plan. It seems he is now happy with what transpired, but this version B (with its own ancillary reasons) conflicts with the magazines version A, and I decided to ask Ashu if there is truth in B. He has answered, and said this is not true. I want to leave it at this. Second, the article suggests that Ashu is an offbeat strategist , who is gaining recognition for his business achievements. I wondered what kind of an offbeat strategist he must be when he lacks the conventional qualifications that managers and strategists are usually required to possess formally in private sector consulting elsewhere. There could be traits or skills that he has that compensate or override these conventional qualifications. But I wondered aloud (with sarcasm) if he could explain. Perhaps he could when we meet. In making these two points in the 2 paragraphs, Did I knowingly fabricate material to defame? No. Did I use the cover of anonymity for foul language or to be offensive? No. Did I accuse him of anything at all, before asking him to confirm and explain? No. Do I think, what I said is directly relevant to the subject of this thread, the personal and professional portrayal of Ashu? Yes. Is it okay to question or demand clarification from anyone on a public forum about claims made in public? Yes. Is it right to speak your mind, state unpalatable queries, and contest conclusions that one feels are inaccurate? Yes. Could I have done all this in a different way? Probably. As for cursing anonymity on Sajha, I feel that it is almost like condemning a person coming from China for being Chinese. This is a legitimate option the site offers which probably 99% of members use. Paschim is an anonymous name too. Why did I choose a new alias? I decided, for right or wrong, the message was all-important, not the messenger in this case. Some might say I was a coward. I need to re-visit this decision later. Having said this, I am touched by the faith and confidence placed in me by Deep, JK, Najar, Czar, Ruby, Nepe and Ashu. They expected me to say whatever I wanted to say under my established alias, as I have always done. I do not know yet if I made the right or the wrong decision. For reasons above, I honestly did not feel I was stooping low, but I know I owe a detailed explanation to you all. Be assured, however, that it was never my intention to stretch the comfort of a new alias to abuse, as is clear from the fact that I have expressed myself in skeptic, but civil terms. I simply never abuse, I accept what I said was not nice , but these things happen in public life for reasons and impulses best known to the protagonists. Sajha itself has witnessed many. There was a suggestion I was being vindictive. Sure everyone has motives. My public motives, I stated above. My private motives, I will share with Ashu directly in person when I hope to be in Ktm next month. We have known each other for 8 years; have generally been on good terms, and I certainly do not consider him a rival or an enemy. I have complimented him for his intellectual vibrancy, but I do have grievances against him that date back to late 1999; he probably has some against me. I accept it would have been a lot wiser for us to settle these in person sooner than later. Not all of us are saints. Let me re-iterate that I take responsibility for what was said. I realize there will be consequences for this action, and I will accept them in my own way. Although at this point, I neither have regrets nor apologies, I am willing to make amends if it is shown to me that I have erred gravely on any account. For this, I will rely on honest emails from friends, as well as my private conversations with Ashu. I could have ignored this thread (I hardly get to browse Sajha these days), or just denied categorically that Silicon was me. I know many people who have done this many a time from SCN to Sajha. It would have been an easy way out, but not correct. For the sake of my own clarity of conscience, modicum of integrity, and to show respect for many posters here, I have decided to post this message. Having said the essential, I will stop. I would appreciate if we let this thread die. I would like to take up the rest with Ashu in private, and as promised, I may return to make amends in public, if necessary, after that. Forgive me if I am unable to respond further on this thread. p.s. And just for speculators, No, I am not Mainbatti or Ruby. I have almost always written here as Paschim, once or twice as Yaatri (with 2 As) and a few times as The Grocer's Wife. I authorize San to release all my details and postings to anyone interested. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 10:37 PM
Kata Laga= Sajha Jasus Paschim= Ashu's Jani Dusman? Paschim, I am very novice here and have heard only good thing about you. But reading Silicon's very polite and diplomatic writing impressed us with some kind of ill intention to defame a person in public forum. As I said earlier if u were so much curious, you could have privately emailed the victim. Kina yesto "kutil chal"? Tapai ta kya khatara khel khelnu hune rahe chha. We are not arch rivals here in business or politics or whatever others...It is good that you surrendered. |
| Qallu | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 10:39 PM
OMG! The drama! It is becoming unbearable!! The glee the glee the glee I feel! I have not even read all of Pashchim's post, but feel a compulsion to spout off!! It is too unbearably funny! |
| ashu | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 10:40 PM
>>>let me confirm that I, Paschim, am also Silicon <<< Wow! I did NOT realize that. Thank you Paschim for clarifying this. On a larger note, let's be adults and get real here. The BOSS is NOT exactly The New Yorker or The New York Times Magazine (both of which I read avidly even today). Mine was a breezy little profile, and, in Nepal, where everyone seems to be a minor celebrity in his or her own right, I was AMUSED to have appeared in a magazine at all WITHOUT my seeking attention, WITHOUT my requesting journalists to write about me, and WITHOUT my bringing it everyone's attention here on Sajha. When noname posted the BOSS ko link here, I just smiled at my "15 minutes of fame", was gracious enough (or so I hpe) to thank Sajha friends for their words of praise -- WITHOUT getting hung up about the profile at all, and without thumping my chest at all. I am mature enough to NOT let either praise or criticism get me down. Anyway, now that you have SURPRISINGLY come clean, my curiosity is piqued. The question is: Who is this poster "Kata Laga", who seemed to have -- unknown to me --my interest at heart? Whoever s/he is, I thank you. As Arnico, a friend I greatly respect, has written in another thread: "if individuals want to volunteer information about where they attend(ed), let them, but it is NOT in the spirit of sajha to go around listing personal histories of other people WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT (emphasis added)." Let me leave it at that, and wish you a very good week-end, and allow Sajha friends to reach their own conculsions about two very different people: Ashu and Paschim. I finally understand Kata Laga's point: Yes, Game theory, indeed. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| Qallu | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 10:55 PM
One thing is for sure. everyone is too involved in everyone's business!? I guess Pashchim awaits the verdict of the opinion makers of Sajha, his friends and well wishers, now that he has some forward and "owned up" to his rather underhanded tactic to discredit Ashu. Yes, discredit! And note that he is confessing to alleviate any sense of guilt he might have, but noy apologizing, not yet at least. Not until the a fair number of people dare come forward to tell him he was a weasel. Why is Pashchim so invested in how Ashu is portrayed in public or vice versa anyhow! I ta am awaiting the response from Ashu and those who defended Paschim. A voyuer and commentator!! fun fun!! yeeee aath anna ath anna aath badam! :) |
| Qallu | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 10:57 PM
Ashu! Now that was a let down!! :) good for you! |
| Qallu | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 10:59 PM
On second thoughts..... "Let me leave it at that, and wish you a very good week-end, and allow Sajha friends to reach their own conculsions about two very different people: Ashu and Paschim." Typical!! :) |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 11:05 PM
gajjab cha ba!!! |
| _BP | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 11:20 PM
I must say I am truly intrigued by something that is totally none of my business. Ashu, I hope you will forgive me, but I would like to ask the Sajhaites in the know to explain this rift between you and Paschim. After all, Sajha is my infotainment source :) . And Kata Laga, what a mystery personality, who turned out to be the soothsayer. |
| rajunpl | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 11:30 PM
Hmm.. interseting scene paschim. Congrats to ashu ji first of all.Though, I don't like to hear the name of harvard.Well, when one nepalese go abroad he has many chances to lengthen his course period.There could be many aspects. Financial aspects are the first one specially for the middle or working class family.If one doesn't understand this he has the blood of corrupt beaureaucrat or the ghoosya mp/mantris. Me, I don't know ashu neither any of the poster of sajha.But I 've followed almost all the good thread. I don't need to know them but I need to know their point of views. I don't impress with self-rising person. I like the way paschim demand his answers.Though paedophiles doesn't need to be open publicly. |
| phateko_kattu | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 11:43 PM
Order ! Order !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pin drop silence .yeh Adalat mei khaila baila karna Mana Hai !!!!! Ish Courtroom mei bahoot twist wala case chalu ho raha hai .Donoun taraf ashu aur pashim ke bayaan aur un donoun ka chamchaoun (spoons) ke bayaan ish adalat ne soon chuka hai .Ashu ki bare mein to hum pura ka pura ramayan jaan chuka hoon .Lekin paschim ke bare mein kohi bhi details maloom nahin ho ra hai .Ishiliye Sarkari wokil San ko pashim ki sabhi personal details Ish adalat ko pesh karne ki HUKUM deti hai .Tabhi maloom padega ki "Kaun Kitne Paani Mein Hai ." Judge "PK" Khutta Taanataan High Court 36 Private Road 69 Publicpur |
| Qallu | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 06:23 AM
Silicon=Paschim wrote: Yeah.....I'm also curious to know which bank it was that took the blow from Ashu-ji's rejection. I don't want to spoil the party here, but somebody from Boston who knows him well (nop, not his 'friends' from Somerville) said that the truth is, Ashu-ji was offered a starting job by a bank in New York, but they cancelled it afterward. Although he wanted to come back to the US, he had no papers. Ashu-ji found it hard to find a job in the US coz he took 10 years to graduate from a 4 year college, and employers found that very suspicious. So he found a job in Nepal at a german agency. Ashu-ji can tell us if this is true? Frankly, as someone who worked at a consulting company before going to B-School, I also wonder what kind of 'offbeat strategist' or business consultant Ashu-ji must be when he has no MBA or grad school degree, no serious publications, no experience in running a business, and he gets his money from a donor agency and not the clients! Hope they are not just impressed by his namedropping of old Harvard Business Reviews every 12 minutes!!!!! Ashu-ji, do explain.....this is a thread to celebrate you, so we can celebrate your sacrifice and talent even more! ....Silicon the skeptic..... Rereading it in this new light, I have to say, really, I am reeling at the lack of scruples. I am glad that now we know Paschim is human too.... prone to do underhanded, indiscreet and rather pathetic things. What a match! Meet lagaidine ki kya ho?! |
| KALANKIsthan | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 06:54 AM
Oho Katro Ramita!!! A pure "nepali chadke salam" to Ashu for his achievement (outside of sajha). Seems like it's about time for another of his humorous articles which, at least I've been yearning for since his last humorous posting (when was that? Last Dashain?). Jaawosh Ashu, for a change! |
| Robert Frost | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 07:45 AM
Ashu, to quote from Robert Frost, "Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper." Please keep going! Good Luck.....! |
| Yatree | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 08:39 AM
Ashu - you in this corner. Paschim - you in that corner. You two settle your score in private. You are intelligent and mature enough. It has been a ramita. And people come to watch ramita wherever it happens. The ramites will do everything they can to pull you guys to fight it out in public. They are waiting for a free entertainment. Stay away. Stay clear. No brawl for public view. Everyone has flaws and they will come out. Shatru ra Ramite haru tighra thatayera hansne chhan. Again, supress your urges to respond. Take it to a chiya pasal in Nepal when you two meet. Well wisher. Yatree |
| Deep | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 08:56 AM
"I would be EXTREMELY surprised to find him as silicon." >>"..let me confirm that I, Paschim, am also Silicon. " Now, I am. Yes, EXTREMELY surprised. "Is it okay to question or demand clarification from anyone on a public forum about claims made in public? Yes. Is it right to speak your mind, state unpalatable queries, and contest conclusions that one feels are inaccurate? Yes. " I agree with you on these stands, paschim. I also thank you for coming out and making it clear that silicon is noone but you. You just could've ignored the thread or deny the fact that silicon is paschim to let silicon take all negative criticisms. But you did not do that and took the responsibility for your words. This is praiseworthy. "Why did I choose a new alias? I decided, for right or wrong, the message was all-important, not the messenger in this case. Some might say I was a coward. I need to re-visit this decision later. " I am not here to direct who can use how many and what sajha names. but I would have, personally would have, appreciated more if Paschim had posed the questions under his own recognized name. If the message or questions were more important than the name, then why is it necessary to adopt a new name? I didn't understand this quite well. If ashu responds differently, with different contents not the tone, to silicon than to paschim, then I would think the problem is with ashu not paschim. Anyway, enjoy the weekend. |
| Horizon | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 09:17 AM
What is so surprising about it ? Paschim HAS been taking shots at Ashu whenever possible . Eg : His email to Deepak Gawali in the name of truth. Yet another validation If its too good to be true, its not. Ashu I for one sincerely appreciate all that you do for yourself and others. While most of us are so concentrated on our own personal and professional growth, you are at least making a difference in your own words, in a small small ways and that takes a lot. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 12:23 PM
Yatri, i don't think anyone here is ramite here. just truth is being revealed here. i agree with kata laga that Paschim hasn't apolized yet. i don't know your other claims. kata laga (if gal) katai Paschim ko prem jal ma fasnu bhako ta thiyena?....in jest |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 12:24 PM
Yatri=Yatree |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 01:12 PM
oh my god, multiple aliases....different alias used for variety of purposes?? hmmm.....it will be a mishap for abuser for his credibility if what Kata Laga saying is true at least in sajha...and Kata Laga knows something of what many of us dont know.... Kata Laga ji, can you find Saddam? $25 million reward (thats 25 times bigger prize than nobel)....in jest Life is full of surprises.... |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 01:24 PM
Yatree ji, you said "..........Shatru ra Ramite haru tighra thatayera hansne chhan. ....." Who you think Ashu or Paschim's shatru? For me, i don't know them at all. And tell me who revealed 'Shatruta' here? We r not Ramite as well. Ashu is alread in public, but the other guy is stabbing Ashu behind the screen. for me the pain is unbearable . if he is a fren of ashu, is this the type of frenship one expects in life? try to read what Kata Laga said. If Paschim has a gut, he must respond to Kata Laga. I don't have vibrant public life, but I am very much concerned. Both Ashu and Paschim may have their own fans, but I dont care about that. But, this is not a good trend here. Trust is important in frendship. One has to abandon leg pulling attitude. I can clearly see the difference between these two personalities from their postings here--who is cool and who is arrogant... |
| rbaral | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 01:52 PM
A very humbel question to Silicon the Skeptic AKA Paschim: What encouraged you, in a time span of 84 hours, you to reveal your identity? Were you under a threat of your identity being disclosed? Or you simply volunteered? Please enlighten. Regards and Namaste, Rishi Baral |
| Nepe | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 03:56 PM
I love Paschim. And I fell in love with him rather surprisingly during somewhat intense debate and disagreement between us about the monarchy, my pet subject, more than a year ago ! Although we disagreed on the core of the subject, Paschim impressed me with his immensely candid, bold, honest, unambiguous, uninhibited and well developed views on the subject of my interests. And everything else that every fan of Paschim knows about him fuelled my attachment to him. Sometimes I even forgot he has slightly different political views than mine and was disappointed momentarily to read his differing political remarks. The point is he has always remained adorable to me. Knowing him was one of the best things I got from Sajha ! I am writing this because I felt like sharing this with some new posters who are making opinions about Paschim before knowing much about him. Now about this silicon debacle, I admire Ashu, this time very much, for repeatedly alerting, both before and after knowing who Silicon was, his well wishers that Silicon's questioning has done no harm at all. Ashu wrote: Still, whoever was Silicon, no harm was done at all. I fully expect to be questioned and challenged -- even anonymously -- just as I enjoy questioning and challenging others' ideas, and accepting that is a kind of sportsmanship that suits me just fine on Sajha. I personally think it could have been better if Paschim had posted his remarks with his known name. However, Sajha offers him full freedom to post with any alias he likes. So long as Ashu does not feel he has been defamed, abused or hurt, I don't think I need to do 'taapke taatnu kataa kataa, bind laai taatna hataar'. I did put forward a new proposal for a semi-anonymity in Sajha on account several counts of abuse of anonymity in the past. I don't see it has attracted attention of any posters. ReconFella said something. But if I understood his 'eloquent' paragraph (oh boy ! I had to run for my dictionary, and even that was not much helpful !) at all, he is not talking about the semi-anonymity; he is talking about the full anonymity. Anyway, I enjoyed reading his strenuous sentences. (Czar, can you run that BullFighter on it ?) On anonymity: Unless you had a gauntlet squeezed up your courtly derriere to unroot that unsightly blob of a brain squarely from that cranium and dragged down the stretch of your bowels, you must've been aware, between the urge to showcase those 3 digits in your IQ or your comely mug, that it's a jungle out there and if you forsake your anonymity for that 15 mins of fame then irrevocable as it is you stand to catch flak for a long time in the coming. Whoever told you everyone else played fair, and with the same set of rules??!! Hell, I go to extremes to preserve mine, why should I make allowances for your indolence, or your ignorance- charity, I find to be most irksome. Hello to y'all from "Spain"! :) And at last, Mil gayaa woh khanzar jis se mera katl huwa tha Magar yeh to wohi nikla jo main dost ke ghar bhul aayaa tha In jest ! re kya ajha lasta ma.. |
| Qallu | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 04:36 PM
It gets more interesting by the minute. No other than the resident poet to the defence! Paschim could not have done any better, especially when the poet does not mince words or emotions... "I love Paschim. I fell in love with him..." What more could one want than a poet who will use his voice and unabashedly serenade you. Bhunte seems not too happy at the suggestion that he might be thought a "ramite." I say, actually the problem seems to arise when some folks get confused and start thinking that they are anything other than a "ramite," a bystander. :) Case in Point..... "I personally think it could have been better if Paschim had posted his remarks with his known name. Of course, Nepe ji. But had Paschim used his original psuedonym the whole thing would have been a moot point. But the reality is Paschim DID not use his main alias. And of course, "Sajha offers [everyone the] freedom to post with any alias s/ he likes." Let's not try to muddy the issue at hand with the suggestion that somehow voluntary disclosure of identify means squat about whether that person is truely accountable and will not "abuse" another poster and play be the rules. The rules on Sajha is more about playing politics. Sajha has proven itself to be a bastion, not of your cowboy individualists, but rather of old style courteris seeking partrons and followers. Aadaab! "semi-annonymity" would address the the problem of those few who abuse their annonymity. For what DOES "semi annonymity" mean anyhow and depending on what or who it is is not of who posts in annonymity and abuses that facelessness. Folks who will do that, will do that So long as Ashu does not feel he has been defamed, abused or hurt, I don't think I need to do 'taapke taatnu kataa kataa, bind laai taatna hataar'." |
| Nepe | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 04:44 PM
I forgot the most interesting posting. Kata Laga ji wrote: Silicon = Paschim = SW.QED.Silicon is an acutely insecure boy-man.Finds contemporaries' success threatening.Craves constant praise & affirmation from unsuspecting women to survive.Has no scruples.Has stooped low to get even with others in the past.Graduated charm school but was thrown out of the truth school.Untrustworthy.Liar.Makes up stories to win at all cost.Thinks others are fools who'll believe anything he says.Petty.Nurses grudges.Too arrogant to apologise & make peace. That was most hilarious profile, KL ji. Do you know Paschim off-line or that was just based on your observation of him here in Sajha ? If the later, you must know me too. Could you please, KL ji, make a similar profile of me ? Will be extremely grateful to you. |
| Nepe | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 05:18 PM
Qallu ji You make me smile. Adaab ! Sajha has proven itself to be a bastion, not of your cowboy individualists, but rather of old style courteris seeking partrons and followers. You may be right. But mind that a person standing on this side of the courtyard might use different descriptors to describe the backdrop. And about the semi-anonymity, I will put my concept if there are more interest. Have a nice weekend ! |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 05:39 PM
nepe hajur, you said "........So long as Ashu does not feel he has been defamed, abused or hurt, I don't think I need to do 'taapke taatnu kataa kataa, bind laai taatna hataar'. ....." Yes, I agree with you. In the same vein I also earlier wrote " ...I can clearly see the difference between these two personalities from their postings here--who is cool and who is arrogant... ". But one thing to remember, it is always good to be praised or published by others like Boss did, or Katm Post had about Ashu's work rather being praised by oneself. I dont consider a person is a great man when he do halla gulla in Sajha by saying like "today i m in Zurich, tomorrow in Hanoi, and next month in Ktm" or mere by ones writing uurantheula kurakani like Dilli Bhurtel's Gaunthali in Suskera anonymously. How come a person can't bear the publicity of another person when he is doing benevolent work like bringing street children to be as enterpreneur, or working together on freeing centuries old feudal system of bonded labor? Now it is a big question to me what kind of "bikase manchhe" is Paschim? What I have read Ashu that he is a novel citizen who has been working to realize his aims and ambitions into action for the betterment of others live. Thats the one one should go rather getting burned oneself with jealosity with others achievement. Hope that helps you to understand the gravity of the situation because of so called well read intellect. |
| phateko_kattu | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 06:35 PM
Order ! Order !! Order !!!!!!! Yeh Pk ki Adaalat hai ...........Pin drop silence .San ko paschim ki puri personal data Adaalat ko pesh karne ki HUKUM dene ki babjoot .......San apni kanaoun mein Oil daalke baithaa hai .Ishiliyi San ko yeh Adaalat 10 din ke andar andar data pesh karne ki warning deti hai . One of the audiences called BHUNTE says : [I dont consider a person is a great man when he do halla gulla in Sajha by saying like "today i m in Zurich, tomorrow in Hanoi, and next month in Ktm" or mere by ones writing uurantheula kurakani like Dilli Bhurtel's Gaunthali in Suskera anonymously] This Honourable Judge PK understands the meaning of Halla which means noise .But what is gulla ? Phir ayeshi ghinaouni sabda Bhunte ne kiya to COURTROOM se nikaali di jayegi .Yeh tumko chetawaani hai !!!!! in jest ...........:) ...:o) [lau ja ta ma pani ] |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 06:45 PM
Honorable Judge PK, ankha nabako aunla le mistype garyo hola hajur... probably that is something which comes together with the noisy halla...and you know thats inseparable like noise... |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 06:58 PM
Janta ho, Hamro saharma MAHA jodi ayko belan ke ho yesto kain nava jatra Handigoan ma bhanya jasto? Chy cha cha.... Uhile hamra gaun ma ukhan garthe kya "Aba dui Mukhiya thari ghar lagi sake, ye khetala mora ko mar-a-mar" bhanera. Aba yo Sajhapur ma ni testai testai cha. Aba tyo Ashu jyu, ra Paschim jyu afno bato lagera uta patti kakali bhaisekae holan (aba tyo Gaunthali, Maina haru lai kya!), yeha bhane lathait haruko bina sitti goda-goad! Thita ho, lau jau gharan, garnu hunna bitthama arkao warise jhagada. Uta uni haru beer khayaea mili sake, timi haru chain uhi Nebi Sangh ra Akhil bhanya jasto...Madhab Nepal ra Giriha Bau mile sake kya!! Dhatteri Ganthe! Belai ma InJest bhani halam, natrai bhus tighre haru malai nai thatauna aulan. Hari Saranam, aba afu ta gaio sutna! Sappi lai Happy Weekend! |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 07:06 PM
shuva ji, it is not a matter of lathait's goda god....you or I may be victim tomorrow .... i m not supporting or opposing anyone, but just want to see the demise of omnious trend here.. |
| Nepe | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 08:19 PM
"Aba dui Mukhiya thari ghar lagi sake, ye khetala mora ko mar-a-mar" Couldn't have said it better ! |
| najar | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 08:45 PM
Hmmmmm.........interesting. |
| ruby | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 11:55 PM
well thats th3e way life is...how many people are gona come out and admit they had more than one alias? that itself is madd cool. i hope you guys get a drink and cool off in kathmandu |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 12:35 AM
Nepe ji, Do you think yourself as Khetala?... la la ma hajur lai yeso khet ropne bela ma bolaunla....eheheh |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 06:39 AM
I totally and wholeheartedly agree with Qallu. Yes, Sajha has become more of a platform to form cliques. Instead of learning how to debate and forcefully present one's ideas, many posters seem to have mistaken Sajha as a platform to do wah- wah and chya-chya! Of course, clique formations are inevitable when there's a gathering and when people meet others with similar career aspirations and political ideologies. Its acceptable. But, just because one is the leader of the clique, the other members of the clique, who for obvious reasons seem well educated do not come forward and offer bitter-but- friendly advises to the leader! This is what I find weird, especially in Sajha. Does one have to be Ram-Ko-Hanuman all the time and always say to the leader or the alpha male (whichever suits the context) that , you are right.. you were right all a long even when you were wrong, because you impress and entertain us!! I seriously think this attitude of the posters has to go. Sajha is not a place to flatter, or is it? Also, what's strange is people have a hard time admitting their mistakes. When you know you are wrong, when others say you are wrong, one has to come forward and offer his/her raesons to keep the dicussions going. One does not need to apologize if the discussion is on politics or some other issues in which people are expected to be opinionated and way too opinionated, but when you are making personal accusations, its a different case altogether, especially when the person being accused is an active member of the community. If there's even a little humility in the person who has admitted the flaw in his action, although in a vague language by saying that there were alternatives to his action, I think the best way to resolve this issue for once and ever is by coming forward and acknowledhing the fact that the method of questioning was wrong. When one says there were 'Alternatives', in many cases it means that the person who commited the action has realized that the action was wrong. Now, when you realize that "there were alternatives" and that you didn't choose the "right way" or when you yourself"question" your modus operandi, what harm it is to come forward and say, hey, look guys I didn't make the right decision, and in all my sincerity and honesty, I regret what happened. I think, we--the sajhabasis--lack this "accepting" one's wrong doings trait..Again, I am not implying that apologies are needed. I am saying, admission of REGRET is needed. Again, regret is not apology, is it? |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 06:44 AM
and of course, mine is not an "in jest" message. I regret if some posters feel hurt by my speaking the truth, but, again, as I wrote in the message, we don't have to be ram ko hanuman here, or do we? |
| Nepe | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 08:00 AM
Of course, Bhunte ji. La malaai baause garna bolaaunu hola. Ani ropar ka-kaslaai bolaaunu bhayeko chha ni ? Suntali aaunchhe ki aaundina ? Tyo setaghare baatule ko sanhili chhori ke ta ? :) |
| knt | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 08:01 AM
What really tickled me to my heart's content was how --and I don't even have to take names here-- even after Ashu's rejoinder, some people, during their paroxysm of righteousness, found it necessary to make ad hominem attacks against Silicon aka Paschim's anonymity. What do you all think this is, some sort of third world bazaar, where merely with a cursory glance you can differentiate a heifer from a buffalo? Hell no. Nobody's pointing a gun at your head; if you wanna reveal yourself, do it at your own discretion, keeping in mind that flaming is an inextricable part of the internet. And then I see someone assailing clique formation, another inseparable part of the community. If there's dissension then it ain't no clique. If you feel like you can handle the heat, you're welcome to be a lone warrior. But please keep in mind that there are some things that indelibly exist without which the fun part is no more. Speaking of admitting mistakes, I never hear Rumsfeld's apology. Ah well, as long as there is some possibility that you can defend it. If you don't like it, shove a maypole up your poopshot and scram. |
| binay | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 09:18 AM
Almost missed this thread. Well, well, well.... some of these preachers remind me of a hindi saying "SAU CHUHAN MARKE CHALAA BILLI HAAJ KARNE." As both of them seem to have agreed to resolve "the issue" between them, why we keep insisting on something that doesn't hold its relevance anymore. I don't see Ashu regreting for what he had said (in this public forum) to Paschim on his assignment with the NPC nor Paschim regrating for seeking explanations on something that was claimed on a public forum. Fellows let's move on.... |
| Qallu | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 09:33 AM
"Aba dui Mukhiya thari ghar lagi sake, ye khetala mora ko mar-a-mar" This is the exact thing I am talking about. People are people only according to how they fit into the agreed upon heirarchy. You are either a "mukhia" or a "khetala." Or maybe simply the peon who follows the mukhia around rubbing his hands together and carrying his towel. :) And what is this fixation with others' poopshoots? hmmmm |
| knt | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 09:41 AM
Ah, so mentioning poopshoot only once is fixation? That's new to me. |
| thugged out | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 10:32 AM
I have a feeling kata laga is Arnico. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 11:17 AM
nepe ji, Gorkha ki Gaunthali dhan ropna aune re....Suntali ko lagi ta shady bro sanga permission linu parchha....eheh |
| thugged out | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 11:48 AM
What a crock. Don't apotheosize this Tiwari guy( Who the hell is he? Never heard of him, don't want to know him and don't care diddly squat about him.) just because he got featured in some low-grade magazine that nobody bothers to read. Also, taking 10 years to graduate from Harvard tells me this guy ain't all that. Hahahah. 10 years. Biggest joke ever. What was he doing there for 10 years? Hitting on blondes? Cleaning toilets? Kissing some fine ass? Or was he only prolonging his stay in the US? But Tiwari looks like a dark version of Tony Soprano. Hmmm... |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 12:06 PM
IF ji, when you said "........we don't have to be ram ko hanuman ...." it reminds me Salyane Raja Sharad Chandra Shah.... |
| Yatree | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 12:41 PM
Bhunte bhai, The Ramites are still all around here. Doesn't take too hard to find them. Some are just watching, others are fanning the flame. Did you read thugged out's posting? S/he has been around for a while and never heard to Ashu? Hmmmm. Well, some people have selective hearing/memory/vision loss sometimes ... Call it clique or network ... bheda bheda sanga, baakhra baakha sanga bhanchhan nee. Let them settle the score. If continued, the outcome will not be good to all involved. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 12:53 PM
Yatree dai, i can see your definition of ramite here... baru boka bakhra sanga bhanda kaso hola! that way we will have peace, love, harmony, cohesion, and family in sajha...kaso dai?...eheheh |
| thugged out | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 12:58 PM
"S/he has been around for a while and never heard to Ashu" Around for a while? For how long, do you even know? So, I advise you to stop making ludicrous suppositions. You ain't no personal paley of mine. |
| phateko_kattu | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 05:05 PM
Hey Thug .I have a poem for you !! Life is Full of Surprises , Some come out of blue . This does not mean , Thugs can sue . Ashu got featured , Now next is you .;0) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is Hourable Judge PK's Courtroom .I still cannot give verdict untill or unless I get personal data of Paschim .Although "Black version of tony sopranos " bhanne haraf did put smile on my lips ,I strongly warn thugged out not to repeat it .Otherwise you will be thrown out of this Courtroom .I also request our personal FBI Kata Laga to investigate why San is not responding to my warning . one of audeince Bhunte says : [baru boka bakhra sanga bhanda kaso hola! that way we will have peace.....] This line sexually aroused me .I was so aroused that I had to put my hands on my pocket .Its not that I cannot do anything here .I can do anything hiding behind this large desk of mine .But these things distracts me and may prevent me from giving fair verdict . So this is second warning to you . Remember Judge PK is the fairest judge is the whole god damn world !!!!! sincerely Honourable Judge PK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Will Paschim come back at hit back at his critics? especially kata laga ? will ashu come back again to answer some challenging questions ? Will Nepe continue to love paschim after this ? Will it rain tomorrow ? Will Sun rise from east tomorrow ? For answers to all these exciting questions .Please come back again to watch the Oscar Nominated movie ....................A Saga of Love ,Hate and Revenge !!!!! "Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Gham ....Ashu ,Paschim Aur Hum " In Jest .................:)))) |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 04-Aug-03 09:44 AM
nepe hajur, la bause ko tasbir aipugyo....ehehe 
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| Bhunte | Posted
on 04-Aug-03 10:03 AM
kata laga, yo momentum bhayeko bela ma sabai kura khulasta bhani diye ananda bhai halyo ni...kina curious banaune manchhe lai.... how he is a liar? what he does to get his work done? why dangerous? why too clever? why he deserves a kick in the groin? how can you prove the rest? Why he is acutely insecure? Why he see contemporaries' success threatening? Why he Craves constant praise & affirmation from unsuspecting women to survive? Why he is Untrustworthy? Why he Makes up stories to win at all cost? Why he Thinks others are fools who'll believe anything he says? Why he is Too arrogant to apologise & make peace? |
| Qallu | Posted
on 04-Aug-03 10:25 AM
Did kata Laga just give his IQ score? haha If you have to do that to gain credibility....... well, what can one say. |
| Kata Laga | Posted
on 04-Aug-03 10:26 AM
The insecure Paschim will have all of Kata Laga's postings removed.Just watch. |
| Kata Laga | Posted
on 04-Aug-03 10:34 AM
Kata Laga's earlier postings have been removed from this thread.Presumably upon the request of Paschim.That's Kata Laga's proof about Paschim's burning insecurity. |
| San | Posted
on 04-Aug-03 10:39 AM
Kata Laga, It was not Paschim who asked me to remove your postings. I removed them myself after realizing that you are on a mud slinging mission. You are accusing him of lot of things here in this public forum. You cannot use this forum for such personal propaganda. If you got something against him, contact him personally and settle it with him. Regards, San |
| Kata Laga | Posted
on 04-Aug-03 10:49 AM
Thank you Sanjyu.Kata Laga didn't accuse Paschim of anything.Kata Laga only exposed Paschim's true nature for everyone to judge for themselves.For a thread about Ashujyu,suddenly it's Paschim a.k.a. Swarnim Kumar Wagle who has damaged his own credibility.Let this posting stand. |
| Deep | Posted
on 04-Aug-03 11:24 AM
K bata suru bhe ra K ma jana lagyo--- Hooooori! Tare ghur ---- ghur---! |
| Jhilke Kyailan | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 01:44 AM
I agree with Deep...kahaan bata kahaan puggio.......have to admit I am a wee bit dissapointed with Paschim. Should have used his own name P......only proves he is human however... still am a believer in him......am also bit dissapointed with the fact that this thread has turned into some thing of a P- bashing thread....which I believe is wrong. He has doned nothing wrong....errored in his judgement on how to go about questioning Ashu? maybe. But did nothing wrong.............Then as I read the whole thread again...realised one thing......Ashu has not answered the questions posed by silicon..... Did an investment bank offer him a job? Which one? Was the offer later cancelled? Was it cancelled because of the long time it took him to graduate? Did he try for other jobs in the states but was unsuccessful? Was his return to Nepal out of compulsion or personal preference? Did he try to return to the states? Don't want to prolong this thread which was initially started to celebrate ashu's achievements....however, questions have been asked as they can be..in a public forum of a public figure..and should be answered. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 02:18 AM
Let's give a second thought...Paschim's first writing is like drunk driving after attending a cocktail reception...if so, accident may happen ....minor bruises....no thing serious ...it is OK that happens sometime to all... |
| Shikhar | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 03:36 AM
Jhilke: Why don't you diss out all the dirt in your life before asking someone else to do so. Of course there are highs and lows in everyone's life. The question of the day is - Is Ashu really helping our country, our community and the people of Nepal? If YES, Ashu.. you are my hero and I am happy that you are not detered by shitslingers... |
| Jhilke Kyailan | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 05:14 AM
Shikhar The question of the day is - Is Ashu really helping our country, our community and the people of Nepal? If YES, Ashu.. you are my hero and I am happy that you are not detered by shitslingers... " I don't know Ashu, but from what I have known of him through Sajha....he seems to be a good guy...doing good things in and for Nepal. Being a coward and not having the guts to go back to Nepal yet myself, I appreciate his choice and his actions there even more. Power to him I say....if ever, in my own small world and in my small way, I get the chance to assist him anyway, with or without him knowing it, I shall. Why??? Because I think he is making a difference. For me however, in this instance, the question is not about Ashu personally but the principle of asking questions in a public forum. In what ever manner a question is asked it must be always be accepted that it can be asked. It should never be discouraged. The way some people turned this thread into anti Silicon , later paschim, thread for asking a few things which I think he had a perfect right to do was very sad. In this case I am not particularly interested in the answer....my opinion of Ashu was not and is not shaped by where he studied, how long it took etc...I respect and admire him for what he is doing today and how he is contributing to our society. But he,like me, paschim or you or for that matter anyone, can be asked to clarify things. |
| Shikhar | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 06:20 AM
" I don't want to spoil the party here, but somebody from Boston who knows him well (nop, not his 'friends' from Somerville) said that the truth is,...... " Jhilke dai the purpose of Silicon/Paschim comments was not out of curiosity but an apparent urge to defame Ashu. Indeed it seems both of us don't know either Ashu or Pashim in person. I merely read his posting here and if his cyber ettiquet, enthusiasm and optimistic outlook about our country is any reflection of his real life's interest than personally, I don't care if he was dragged out of the US in handcuffs or if he was a druggie or an alcoholic in the past. What matter, atleast to me, is what he is doing now and his visions for the future. Ashu's only fault, as far as Sajha is concern is that he is not ashamed to highlight his achievements and is always trying to convience everyone to try to do something good for the country. What irks me is the need for people to dig dirt on other people's personal life, I am sure no one here is perfect themselves, so .... you know the rest ... |
| sparsha | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 06:24 AM
Jhilkey, " the question is not about Ashu personally but the principle of asking questions in a public forum. " I agree. It's upto Ashu if he wants to answer the questions but asking fair questions to verify/clarify claims made in public forum is also fair. Ashu is who he is. Asking fair questions won't degrade him. Anyone who questions is not a bad person. This forum is not a bhajan mandali. I have due respect for both-Paschim and Ashu. Wish them success all the way. |
| ashu | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 07:32 AM
Ashutosh Tiwari, the so-called "off-beat strategist", HAPPILY answers ALL of JK's questions : >>>Did an investment bank offer him a job? Yes. >>Which one? The names and the offer letters will be a part of my application package to both Harvard and Stanford Business Schools in the Fall of 2004. Don't you worry about that. Keep on following the news about me -- here on Sajha and elsewhere -- and I shall be redeemed. >>>Was the offer later cancelled? No. >>>Was it cancelled because of the long time it took him to graduate? No. In fact, as long as the grades on both my undergraduate and graduate-level courses were good and the diploma said Harvard, the recruiters did NOT give a hoot about anything else. Besides, a few years ago, the US job market was rosy, with each smart Harvard grad netting 4 to 5 job offers. >>Did he try for other jobs in the states but was unsuccessful? No. Consulting and I-banking were the only ones I applied to. I chose I-banking because it was going to pay me more. But I was, truth be told, heartbroken when McKinsey, my dream firm, turned me down after two rounds of what I thought were excellent interviews. Oh, well :-) >>>Was his return to Nepal out of compulsion or personal preference? One thing led to another . . . and I made the decision slowly. I figured I could always do I-banking or consulting or anything business-related anytime in the future. But being a strategist of a Nepali social movement for almost a year . . . that of freeing up to 200,000 kamaiyas in Nepal was a ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME opportunity in Nepal, and I knew that I had to be part of it as an assistant of Dilli Chaudhary, the activist. I am glad I chose that path. And it was -- to the surprise of many in Nepal -- a decision I slowly and eventually made. And so, writing a letter to New York saying that I would not be joining them is something I do NOT regret and am very proud of. Besides, a few months later that year, with younger brothers studying/working abroad, and with retired parents to take care of in Nepal, my interest to go back to New York was not as strong as it was to me when I had accepted the offer. I was seeing new and exciting opportunities in Nepal, and I stayed put. And that, I might add, has made all the difference, and positively so. >>>Did he try to return to the states? No. Besides, I just know, in the heart of my hearts, I will return to the US for one thing or another, though I have absolutely no desire to leave Nepal permanently. A couple years down the road, when my present job gets repetitive (as all jobs do eventually, and when my FIFTH brother, for whom I am responsible, takes off for his higher studies), I am sure I will -- being ambitious, driven and bursting with energy -- want more more skills, more knowledge, more networks and more challenges. And so, with my commitments to my parents and brothers fulfilled by then, I shall be ready to embark upon further challenges. I mean, how many eldest brother are you going to find who makes sure that each of his four younger brothers also turn out to be very good at what they do? [Second brother started working at Deloitte two weeks ago.] Meantime, I love what I do in the country I love, and will continue to write my own life ko script. Thank you very much. ***************** Paschim and others, in various guises, are welcome to DISTORT my life's script or try to cast them in a NEGATIVE LIGHT to serve their whatever purposes in this public forum. Their attempts do NOT faze me at all. I pity them, knowing fully well that I know my life better than they do, while reminding them that those who have gratuitously made me their enemy for NO apparent reason have, in the past, gone on to regret their stupidity. Believe me, I can be the best of friends but the worst of enemies. [Yes, that's a khatara "die-log" stolen from a Hindi film!!] Finally, I like to shoot straight. I like to play fair. I like to stand behind my words. I like to celebrate the best in my friends and acquaintances. I like to say "sorry" in public when I make mistakes. But I realize that not everyone plays by the same rules, and that's life. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| tanas | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 07:42 AM
Ashu, do you really think your owe an explanation to all these ppl at sajha? why? the more you try to explain , the more questions will be raised "not only to you but to many out there". Meanwhile, good luck in whatever you do, it feels so good to learn about all the commendable domestic responsibilities you've taken upon your shoulders,may you always find success in your endeavours. God Bless You and to all the very good brothers and sons out there.... :-)) |
| sparsha | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 07:45 AM
Ashu has come out and made his points. And I am glad he did. Credibility is earned. |
| tanas | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 07:50 AM
Sparsh is sajha some kind of a court for all of us to make judgement of who's right and who's not???? |
| Jhilke Kyailan | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 07:53 AM
Good one man...well said and nicely done....as I said the answers to the questions never really interested me.....but asking such questions should not be discouraged. Good luck with all your future endeavours. |
| ashu | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 08:31 AM
Thanks JK. The good thing about telling the truth is that you don't have to remember what you said, and no matter how many times you are attacked, you can always smile and hold your head high, without feeling ruffled. Regarding Paschim --for the record -- this is my THIRD hard-to-understand encounter with him on Sajha. First: Last year, he divulged contents of a private conversation on Sajha without my persmission, and his disclosure almost destroyed my friendship with someone in London. Second: Regarding that Dipak Gywali thread, Paschim set out to prove that I was wrong. That was OK. But even after finding out -- from Dipak Gyawali himself -- that I was right after all, Paschim just would not concede that I was right, and tried to gloss over that fact here. It took someone named Kumar Prasad Upadhyay to point out the sheer inconsistency in Paschim's approach. [For the record, Dipak Dai also sent me a copy of the email that he had sent to Paschim at the time. It's just that I chose to keep quiet about it until now.] Third: Here, in this thread, Paschim KNEW all the answers to his own Ashu-related questions. Yet asked them anyway, under a different name, giving the whole questions a distinctly negative tone, and detailing "personal history" which, quite frankly, was none of his business and had nothing to do with the article. Besides, he could have taken the responsibilities and asked the same questions in his Sajha name, and I would have happily answered them in a straightforward manner. Why he played this elaborate cat-and-mouse game, only to leave himself vulnerable to his critics, I don't understand. All said and done, I like to believe the best about Paschim, and with our mutual acquaintances in Kathmandu, I have nothing but the most positive things to say about him. It's just that -- if the above three examples are any guide -- I find some of his behaviours deeply puzzling. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 08:41 AM
Enough is said from Ashu's side. If Paschim wants to defend himself, thats welcome. |
| tanas | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 08:42 AM
Bhunte, didn't know you were the referee here? |
| sparsha | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 08:47 AM
Tanas, "Sparsh is sajha some kind of a court for all of us to make judgement of who's right and who's not???? " Almost (leaving a room for exception-see if you fit) all of us and almost always we make judgments on others- who is what or who is who or who is right who is wrong. If you mean rulings by "judgment" then sajha may not a court, but if you mean "perception" by judgment then yes sajha is a court. This is a public forum. We all know this. If you claim something here, you better be prepared to defend. Otherwise, your credibility sinks or evaporates. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 08:48 AM
tanas, Fateko kattu is the judge here.... |
| tanas | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 08:51 AM
Oh Sparsha, thanks a ton for enlightening my poor vision.. now I know what Sajha is all about....:-)) |
| Junu | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 11:46 AM
Ashu, you didn't have to answer all thoes stupid questions because they are not your hunewala sasura to bargain for their daughter. It is your personel buissness .You are the best person who went to Harvard and didn't care about $$$. Nepali people need your help. Good luck for everything. I felt so disgusted people like Paschim wants to defame you. |
| Arnico | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 12:54 PM
OH MY GOD!! I spent the past week helping to take the visiting artists around Boston, helping to organize and photograph their performance in Boston, and going to Maryland to help a friend with small kids move house in one day... and I missed ALL THIS???? Well, since my name has been pulled into the discussion here let me both clarify and comment on a few things: FIRST: No, I am not kata laga. In fact I seem to have missed reading some postings that already got erased. It appears that kata laga was engaged in mudslinging that I did not see. For the record: I do not engage in mudslinging, whether at friends like Paschim, or at people I don't like... And also for the record: I only post on kurakani with my real name, Arnico. I do have multiple names in sajha chat, but those are quite well-known to the people I chat with. SECOND: Ashu, I DO want to hear about the street children project. Please post about that as soon as you get a chance. THIRD: Paschim aka silicon... I am disappointed at how low you've stooped here. You will get my full reaction in private. FOURTH: Everyone else listening here: no there will not be Paschim versus Arnico ramita just because I said I am disappointed at this moment. I have known Ashu for over a decade. Paschim for half a decade. I have worked closely with Paschim. I have tremendous respect for some of what they both do and have also had disappointing encounters. So is life. Whether THEY get along does not affect how I get along or don't get along with either of them. Isolated Freak, good point about the cliques. FIFTH: What is the big deal about taking longer to graduate? Just to set the record straight: I too took more than the usual amount of time to finish my undergrad at (gasp!) Harvard. In fact, a fair number of fellow Nepalis at Harvard took longer than four years to graduate, and I know for sure that that is the case for non-Nepalis as well as for people at other universities. Some of us spent the time doing wonderfully productive and resume enhancing things, while others of us have spent the time recovering from illnesses and injuries, or taking care of family issues. I also know ALREADY that I will take more than the average amount of time to get my next degree, partly because of a number of distracting family issues, the details of which are not for public consumption. Have a good week everyone! |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 01:40 PM
Arnico, the whole lot of discussion came up not due to 4 yr or 10 yr stuff but primarily when Paschim said "....I also wonder what kind of 'offbeat strategist' or business consultant Ashu-ji must be when he has no MBA or grad school degree, no serious publications, no experience in running a business, and he gets his money from a donor agency and not the clients!... ". Paschim must have heard of the person named Mr. Bill Gate who became the wealthiest man of the earth even without any MBA, grad school degree, any publication, etc... |
| crazyeyez | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 02:20 PM
since there are few nepalis who are rich, the rich compete amongst themselves. few who are "highly" educated, those compete with each other. the rest of us are all in the shadows, trying hard to earn a name. maybe when i become semi-popular i will also fall into the trap of jealousy and try to belittle the competition. in markets, i think its great, but personally we have to stop competing with each other, and trying to make others small. i have seen so much hatred within families/neighbors/collegeaus etc that it always hurts both parties involved and causes negative externalities to the rest. i dont know where i am going with it. but for one, shalom! |
| phateko_kattu | Posted
on 06-Aug-03 10:58 PM
ORDER ! ORDER !! ORDER !!!! Yeh Honourabe judge PK KI Adaalat Hai !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! After receiving necessary personal file of Paschim ,atlast I am going to give my fair/final verdict on this case today .This has been a Super hit case so far and I am pleased to give my final verdict . ASHU : Ashu ki sabhi documents or personal history janne ke baad mujhe yeh maloom padaa ki yeh yek HOnahaar larka hai .Human Beings are never perfect __ ashu is no exception .All of us have ups and downs in our life __ Haves and Have Nots .I may not have what you have and vice versa .I am sure most of us dont have the guts to face such personal questions like ashu is facing today .His life ki story is like Open sky in publicpoor which all of us can read it .despite being poked with personal questions ,he keeps hitting them back more effectively and with more energy . I must salute his stamina . Yeh Adaalat ashu ki desh sewa aur clean record ko maddhye nazar rakhte huye ashu ko baiizzat badi karti hai Aur New York ki Investment bank ko ashu ki application ko rethink karne ki HUKUM deti hai !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![ Taaliyaa clap clap clap clap clap clap] ORDER ! ORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Paschim : Although most of us think paschim is suffering from slit-personality _kabhi silicon -kabhi paschim .Despite knowing that "REALITY IS A KICK IN THE FACE ",paschim did admit that he was silicon .Yeh Mardaoun waali baat nahin to kya hai ?? I am fully aware that most of the jurors here could not digest his harsh personal questions but he has got my full support after all he did admit who he is .These kinda offensive questions from Paschim could be blessings to ashu .How can Mr.ashu learn to defend when there are no offenses at all ?So I honestly think paschim is ashu's real friend in enemy's disguise.Ishiliye paschim ko bhi bai izzat badi karti hai aur NEPE se jald se jald shaadi karke 12 bacche paidaa karne ki HUKUM deti hai !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Taaliya ,,,...clap clap clap clap .....................] Kata Laga :Ish case ki sabse badi loser Kata Laga hai !! Kiun ???ashu thinks this guy is helping him by telling him who silicon actualy is .But I say NO .He is doing so in order to take revenge with paschim (whatever happened between them ).This guy seems to have nurtured a grudge against Paschim for long long time .Can he also disclose who he really is ? just like ashu and paschim ? I dont think so .Yeh sirf mard hi karr sakta hai .remember "Mard ko Dard "nahin hota ...lekin hizadaoun ko jaroor dard ho ta hai !!Ishiliye Kata Laga ko aag mai ghee daalne ki jurrat karne ke liye doshi thaharate huye I sentence him whole night with Tina Turner and Guddi Maruti In room no 420 HIlton Hotel . The Court is Dismissed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dhanya baad !!! Honourable judge "PK" Khutta Taanataan High Court 36 Private road 69 Publicpoor |
| Kata Laga | Posted
on 07-Aug-03 10:59 AM
Paschim a.k.a. Swarnim Kumar Wagle confessed Silicon identity not from goodness of heart.Kata Laga made him come out of hiding.Let it be noted.Paschim hasn't apologised to Ashujyu.Paschim's friends are disappointed & shocked.Kata Laga tried saving good Paschim from bad Paschim. |
| caaaaale | Posted
on 07-Aug-03 11:34 AM
Ashu, his lackeys, his detractors: All of you should stop this incessant quibbling over personal issues in Sajha. Instead of indulging in fawning self-congratulations and slights, GO GET A LIFE. And don't get into 'they started it' silliness. It takes two to tango. Ek haath le taali bajdaina. Both sides are rather pathetic. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 07-Aug-03 01:07 PM
Elites haru ko ta yo chala chha, nepal ka aru neta haru le yeso gare ra ooso gare bhanera bhannu bekar jasto lagchha kahile kanhi... |