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| Junu | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 06:03 PM
It seems like Army can do anything in Nepal. They are more violent than Maost. Taxi driver shot dead An army guard shot dead a taxi driver Thursday evening at Banasthali chowk after his taxi collided with an army bus, a radio report said. The driver was identified as Raju Shrestha. nepalnews.com br Nov.6 |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 06:10 PM
Bus seems more valuable than life there....it is not acceptable by any standard if the news is true... |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 07:19 PM
Innocent youth shot dead for brushing car against army bus BY BIKASH SANGRAULA (www.kantipuronline.com) KATHMANDU, Nov 6 - In a shocking incident that took place at Dhungedhara, Banasthali, at 5:15 p.m. today, an army personnel shot dead Rajeev Shrestha, 21, after his car hit an army college bus. The army personnel also manhandled another passenger of the car. Rajeev, who was on the wheel, died instantly after the bullet fired from outside the cars window ~ ~ went straight through his chest. The private Toyota Corolla car, with the registration number Ba. 1. Ja. 3949, hit the bus with the registration number Ba. 1. Ga. 1172, while Rajeev attempted to take a turn. The bus was on its way to drop college students. The passengers of the bus are reported to be safe. There were three security guards in the bus. The bus sustained minor damages while the cars front was heavily damaged. The car, belonging to Rajeevs friend Amir Shrestha, was later towed away by a crane with the registration number Ba. 1. Ja. 750. Army personnel present at the site of the accident refused to disclose the identity of the shooter. "It is a minor accident. Why are you curious?" said one security personnel. However, Shresthas friend, who was accompanying him in the car, said while requesting anonymity that one security guard of the bus climbed out immediately after the accident and shot Rajeev. "Then they pulled me out of the car and hit me continuously, knocking me to unconsciousness," he said at the mortuary of the Tribhuvan University Teaching Hospital, among the downcast relatives of Rajeev. Rajeev, who owned a wholesale store at Naya Bazaar, had taken the car from his friends garage situated in Sanobharyang for trial. He was planning to purchase the car. The owner of the car refused to disclose their names and what they witnessed, citing "security reasons". Similarly, Satish Tamang, 16, a shopkeeper near the site of the incident, admitted to have witnessed the shootout. "I heard the gunshot, and saw army personnel bashing up one passenger of the car," he said. Rajeevs uncle Narendra Shrestha, 34, who was waiting near the garage for Rajeev to return with the vehicle, went to the accident site after hearing a gunshot. "By the time I reached there, Rajeev was already dead. On top of that, the army personnel were aiming his gun at him, threatening to fire another round of shot. He was stopped from doing so by another security personnel," said a thoroughly shaken Shrestha, adding sternly that the army personnel should not escape justice. Rajeev, the oldest of two sons and a daughter of Rajendra Shrestha, 45, lived with his joint family at Yetkha, Bhedasingh. He was unmarried and looked after the family business. Army spokesman Colonel Deepak Gurung said that investigation on the case was afoot. "The guilty will be duly penalised," he said, adding, "The shooting occurred when the driver tried to run away." |
| Biswo | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 07:24 PM
"It is a minor accident. Why are you curious?" "The shooting occurred when the driver tried to run away." These are the two quotes of RNA personnels regarding the incident in this report. RNA needs serious lesson on how to respect the sanctity of human life. My condolences to the bereaved family of the unfortunate driver. |
| M.P. | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 07:53 PM
Somebody once said, "you give a man a hammer, he will see nails everywhere." I am glad there were witnesses around. Otherwise, the news in our national daily with energetic new editors would have read, "A maoist shot dead at Vanasthali." "He was trying to run away after planting a bomb near an army bus", some random "security officials" would have been quoted. RNA ko haatmaa power, baadar ko haatmaa nariwal. Baburam thinks the death of ISP (just before the ceasefire) was trivial, Perhaps Karsaap Gurung (now this strikes me--how come a Gurung in such a high post?) thinks death of Rajeev Shrestha is minor. My goodness! Sometimes I wonder what the Army is trying to protect us from. Condolences to the bereaved family. |
| DWI | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 08:14 PM
In no way I am advocating for whatever happened was a good thing. No person or authority has the power to do such an inhumane task. but, please use discretion while blaming the fault of selected personnal to the whole armed force. I know Junu, you didn't mean it harm, but that is a pretty bad statement to make for those who are risking their lives in the remote part of our country just to follow orders. RNA definately should take this matter seriously, take necessary action and make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen in future. But I am also hoping this and few other incidents doesn't make the army number 2 enemy of Nepal. That would be like adhering to the statement made by fmr. Prime Minister Koirala on supplying arms to Nepal. We need the jawans, we need NRA. |
| DWI | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 08:15 PM
NRA should be RNA. you didn't mean it harm should be you didn't mean harm. rest, just correct as you like. |
| Junu | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 08:18 PM
I totally agree with Biswo. When I was in Nepal last year, I was almost killed by Army. I was passing through Manakaman Barrack with my sister, little nephew, and my cousin. One of the soldiers told me Gauma pani khubai paint lagayer hidne keti manchhe bhayera pani. Ta Maobadi hoki ke ho jyan jogayera hid I god very mad suddenly. I tried to controlled my temper but couldnt. I replied timi haru Maobadilai kehi garna sakdainau hami jasto innocent harulai ta honi tharkaune. Then he told me, barta bolchhes siddyaidiu? I was very lucky that before he shot me, my cousin requested him, hajur mero baini bharkhar America bata Audaichhin. Unlai kehi pani thaha chhaina Yahako situation. Unlai maph garnus . I started shaking. I was mumbling like a child because of the fear. My sister was crying. Then he told me again yo chotilai bhaihalyo Arko choti mukh jogayera hid natra bhane khattam holis. When we started to walk, my cousin was telling me. hera nani aile ta armyle je gare pani pauchhan. Timi bhagyamani rahichheu usle kehi garena Aba kahile pani armi sanga dohoro sabda nabolnu . I am going to Nepal in December. I will try to shut my mouth when I see moron armies ( sorry for Gorkhali language) |
| U_2 | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 08:20 PM
If these brainless armies can kill people in KTM for such a small accident (no one was injured by accident!), imagine, what they must have been doing in far villages. Scary!! |
| as101 | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 08:28 PM
RNA killed so many innocent nepali in the name of the maost .RNA is not any better then maost in terms of violent. Army should think before he shoot. who ever shooter is he should be jailed. |
| as101 | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 08:29 PM
RNA killed so many innocent nepali in the name of the maost .RNA is not any better then maost in terms of violent. Army should think before he shoot. who ever shooter is he should be jailed. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 08:40 PM
Please spare some condolence also for this Rai dai from East Nepal! __________ Maoists murder ex-Gurkha sergeant Maoists have brutally murdered an ex-Gurkha sergeant, Shukra Raj Rai, 52, in Panchthar district, a week after his abduction, The Rising Nepal said Friday. The villagers of Chyangthapu VDC, where Rai used to live, found the his body in the nearby Tanda jungle with both his hands chopped off, the daily said. The Maoists had also kidnapped Rai's four daughters. Three of them - Jeevan, Shanta and Tara were released a few days ago. But the condition of 17-year-old Dhruba is still unknown; the newspaper quoted local security sources, as saying. nepalnews.com mr Nov 7 |
| ashu | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 09:47 PM
Biswo wrote: "RNA needs serious lesson on how to respect the sanctity of human life." Very well said, Biswo. I have noticed that whenever it's criticised, the RNA is always on the defensive -- that too, in bitter, shrill and emotionally-charged tones. Is RNA NOT confident or secure enough to handle PUBLIC criticisms in a calm and cool manner? I would say that RNA needs a lesson on 'how to win friends and influence people'-- by being more sensitive to what the janata want, and by being more accountable to the janata, who, let it be said, actually PAY for the army. Killing a taxi-driver and then justifying it through pathetic excuses such as "he was trying to run away" does little to inspire trust and confidence in RNA's mode oof operations. Sure, such a wanton acat of killing might have been one soldier's doing, but it reflects badly on the WHOLE RNA establishment, especially in these super-heated times when there's palpable nervousness about increasing militarization. At the least, you do NOT kill people who -- out of fear, in all likelihood -- try to run away. You catch them. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| hukka | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 09:59 PM
It seems like the guy who shot is "close friend" of prince ; by the way both of them need serious lesson on how to respect the sanctity of human life |
| eNigma_too | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 10:00 PM
DWI ...would you have said the same thing had the poor innocent driver been your brother/friend ?? The army is there to bring around a sense of security among the public and maintain law and order, now , when the army itself go around commiting atrocities they should be strictly delt with just as it would be in any democratic country. This incident is another reminiscent of what happened in punjab, kashmir and is happening in the north-east. Unwarrented arrest, tortue of innocent village folks, rape and abuse of women, and disappearence of arrested people !! pretty soon , it will start to happen in Kathmandu, and let me hear then, what you say. |
| Biswo | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 11:04 PM
>Please spare some condolence also for this Rai dai from East Nepal! Well, Shuvachintak,just to let you know, in overriding majority of human beings, feelings of condolences are non-depleteable, so there is no question of 'sparing' or 'nonsparing'. So, just because I am expressing my condolences to the bereaved family of this yet another victim of cruelty, my condolences are not exhausted. So, my sincere condolences to Rai's family. |
| bold | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 11:21 PM
it is a very sad news army are misusing there power or what... if they are misusing then it should be stop |
| akawi | Posted
on 06-Nov-03 11:59 PM
no more murder, stop terror (two both the warring parties)! 
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| prawin | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 12:19 AM
As a nation, Nepal is reeling under the assaults of individuals who imagine human life to be of no worth before their professed ideal. The common man can call the Maoist an insurgent force, and recognize that violence is a part of their exercise. But how does one reconcile with the attitude of the RNA, which is so willing to brush off an incident as cruel and despicable as the murder of Rajeev Shrestha, at Vanasthali Chowk? Certainly, the pawn reflects the mindset of the grand masterthe thoughtful and deliberate actor behind the scenes. Just as the common man questions the motives of the Maoists, and the personal hubris invested by individuals the likes of Baburam Bhattarai and Pushpa Kamal Dahal, time is ripe that the RNAs motives be questioned. Even after a full day, no apology has been offered to the public, and contrary to the eyewitness accounts, Col. Deepak Gurung has effectively derided the deceased as the offender. The common man must praise the media for executing its duty, and also tell the RNA that it is the sweat and blood of the man in the street that feeds the arrogant soldiers. Indeed, if the RNA has no qualm about forcing under their guns the very people that feed it, their act becomes one of reducing the populace to slaves. And the rebellion against such an atrocity is one that the common man should be conscious about. And Col Deepak Gurung [i hope he has in his circle someone who visits this site] should realise that his loyalties lies with the greater imagining og Nepal, and not the skewed, biased RNA. after all, he is only a "janajati" face for what is an aristocratic corporation. he shouldn't forget that he is a Gurung, nd that he carries a guilt of making the common soldier so arrogant that he can imagine it possible to shoot an innocent person dead at his will. this arogance has to be made the undoing of the RNA'a feudal and aristocratic roots. |
| nepalki_chori | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 01:09 AM
aja feri yo man ruyo................:( Rajeev ko mirtyu ma................sainik ko attyacharima............. |
| Chordaku420 | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 04:43 AM
I am sick and tired with the way RNA is acting.ALL I GOTTA SAY IS.... DOWN WITH SAHA & RANA |
| Gokul | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 05:35 AM
Marchhaun bhanne ta marne nai bhaye Bachaunchaun bhanne pani marna thale. Nimukhaharu ta chup lagne nai bhaye Tara Bolna sakne pani chup lagne thale. |
| LaataMora | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 06:59 AM
It's so sad to hear such things to happen. I pray for the bereaved family. I can't imagine how a mother feels losing her 22-year old young son. Her photo made tears roll out of my eyes. Oh! God. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 07:17 AM
After loss of the son.... 
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| GP | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 07:34 AM
I agree with Ashu: Killing a taxi-driver and then justifying it through pathetic excuses such as "he was trying to run away" does little to inspire trust and confidence in RNA's mode oof operations. Deepak Gurung should not have spoken that "he was trying to run away", as a formula phrase to get rid of public accusation. Its pathetic and it shows a trend how RNA is killing innocent peoples in broad day light as if Maoists, as M.P. rightly pointed out. IF RNA is going to offer such pathetic formula as excuse to their random killing, its Maoists who are going to get cash rewards. If it happens in Kathmandu's broad daylight, how can we assured that those double digits killed in remote areas are not innocent peoples? I remember a cousin of mine, was pulled out of his home and put in Police van and police threatened him to kill calling him Maoists and killed while trying to run away. It hurt me when he told this happening in center of Pokhara. He was not sympathiser of Maoists before the incident, but, after the incident he hates police and Army and sympathises Maoists, and it would be a better rule under Maoists. But, if you hear the similar expeirences from another edge of the sword, i.e. the vicitims of Maoists, you will feel the other ends of experiences and consder Maoists as evils. Its really frustrating to find we trapped between two evils. At the end, for the use of formula "he was trying to run away", Deepak Gurung deservs that middle finger with big F*** You Deepak Gurung, nothing less. I am losing my support to RNA, and I also don't support Maoists, nor Girija or Makune, so I am no where. I would rather trim all these 4 groups and come up with a new set. Its a day dream. GP |
| GP | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 07:35 AM
I think we guys should sent and bombard the RNA's home page with email and objection letters. This much we can do. GP |
| GP | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 07:43 AM
If you want to send email objections to Army probably: info@rna.mil.np bharna@rna.mil.np chief@rna.mil.np Try to find a name @ rna.mil.np their website is http://www.rna.mil.np Lets try. Ask them to come and visit Sajha.com. Once they see Sajha.com, I am sure someone will come here for the purpose of spying, and its good that these spies talk what happens in Sajha.com GP |
| Arnico | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 10:34 AM
My condolences to the bereaved families as well. At least in the Kathmandu Valley, RNA is by far the bigger threat to peaceful daily life than the Maoists... even before this incident. |
| DWI | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 10:49 AM
>>DWI ...would you have said the same thing had the poor innocent driver been your brother/friend ?? Enigma_too, I understand what you're saying. But yes, I still would've said the same because I don't believe in surfacial generalization. I probably would have been angry to a level that I would seek a revenge to get even with the RNA murder, but I still wouldn't blame the whole RNA for the misdeed. I know, a little bit of arrogance is instilled in every army's blood and some choose to misuse their authority. These personnels should be in a constant check all the time by the government or the citizens. But they aren't the enemies here. We have to learn to make a distinct difference between our no.1 enemy (maoists) and the RNA. It is a disgrace to the RNA jawans, who are risking their lives in the remote part of the country, to be kept in the same catagory as the Maoists, or even worse. I don't, however, disapprove the voices that are rising up. RNA is actually issuing some ridiculous statement justifying their un-constitutional action. These king of rebelations should keep them in check. But, my respect for the RNA wouldn't fade, nonetheless. |
| Chordaku420 | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 10:55 AM
Hello Guys, I have met almost 20 RNA officer in last few moths here in America. And Guess what, Almost all of them are RANA/SAHA clan. ALL I GOTTA SAY IS. DOWN WITH THESE RANA & SAHA. Kick them out from RNA and KTM Valley. |
| confused | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 10:57 AM
mara kata desh finish gara... no hopes no future. ...i dont know what will happen to nepaal if this wont stop??? |
| Junu | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 11:46 AM
DWI wrote "It is a disgrace to the RNA jawans, who are risking their lives in the remote part of the country, to be kept in the same catagory as the Maoists, or even worse. " I still think RNAs are worse than maosts. Have you been to remote part of Nepal recently? Do you know how many girls are raped by them? Do you know how many poor people in the village are forced to give them goats, chickens, and raksi? Please DWI, go to villagees then you will see the reality. |
| DISCO | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 12:05 PM
The RNA cadet shooting incident by itself may amount to less and could be labeled arbitrary relative to the reaction we are used to getting from our relatively placid culture. Actually Id say the reaction is pretty well placed from historical perspective. But in light of the potential social calamity that we could be facing, its one of those incidents that can topple the balance in favor of the MAOs (GP jis cousin comes into mind) when mostly neutral population buys their ideology de facto, Id say just like the Prachanda Clan resorted to. If that happens the RNA will be shooting every kid running away from them and this time with some kind of weapon in their hands. All it takes is the Ideology and misplaced frustration mixed in with indolent nature of the youths, which has been breeding here. I might find myself a mediocre poster here but, I feel simply put, maobadis problem is our problem too, we just have not resorted to such actions. Afterall, we are not much different from them, innately we are as cruel they are; we just are not influenced by their kind of Ideology, thats the only spark that is needed and the actions such as of RNAs and their stupid excuses could very well fuel it. |
| hansy420 | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 12:16 PM
Junu, whatever hapenned to you back there was sad and scary...and how they behaved was pathetic. Just wondering how helpless ppl are back there. They just have to take their shit and not able to do anything about it. goddamit!!! |
| IndisGuiSE | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 12:18 PM
I do not know what I should be saying, but I do know that it is horrible and sad that the situation is as bad as it is right now. I have been reading the threads posted in sajha every now and then, but this innocent killing by the RNA really shook my inner self, and I had to write something about it. As a Nepal loving citizen, I am really concerned about the situation. On the one hand there is Maoists, who are spreading terror, who do not have any valid objective to do so, and if they do, do not have any right to achieve it by means of threat, murders, loot and god knows what kinds of inhuman acts. And here we have an institution, we as a Nepali should be very proud of (I must admit I admire our security force), but apparently time and again they let us down. It is crystal clear that the person killed was not Maoist or someone running away from justice after heinous crime. The RNA, trying to cover up the crime by giving a ridiculous excuse as he was running away do not convince any sane minded citizens of Nepal. I even wonder if they themselves believe it will. I hope that the person who did this crime is punished to the fullest extent of law and the family of the victim is compensated amply (I know it is virtually impossible to replace a human life). Having said that, I would like to add that I still do believe that Security forces are doing what they can under the circumstances, but these kinds of incidents really tests my nerve. I just pray that it is just one off incident (which is being clear its not). Khai ma ke bhanau& Let me just conclude that, the entire Maoist should be lined up and shot right on their arse and tortured to death, and this RNA personnel deserve no less. MAlai bujaunai ayena mero feelings.. Damn. In frustration& InDisGuiSE.. L |
| IndisGuiSE | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 12:22 PM
I do not know what I should be saying, but I do know that it is horrible and sad that the situation is as bad as it is right now. I have been reading the threads posted in sajha every now and then, but this innocent killing by the RNA really shook my inner self, and I had to write something about it. As a Nepal loving citizen, I am really concerned about the situation. On the one hand there is Maoists, who are spreading terror, who do not have any valid objective to do so, and if they do, do not have any right to achieve it by means of threat, murders, loot and god knows what kinds of inhuman acts. And here we have an institution, which we as a Nepali should be very proud of (I must admit I admire our security force), but apparently time and again they let us down. It is crystal clear that the person killed was not Maoist or someone running away from justice after heinous crime. The RNA, trying to cover up the crime by giving a ridiculous excuse as "he was running away" do not convince any sane minded citizens of Nepal. I even wonder if they themselves believe it will. I hope that the person who did this crime is punished to the fullest extent of law and the family of the victim is compensated amply (I know it is virtually impossible to replace a human life). Having said that, I would like to add that I still do believe that Security forces are doing what they can under the circumstances, but these kinds of incidents really tests my nerve. I just pray that it is just one off incident (which is being clear it's not). Khai ma ke bhanau& Let me just conclude that, the entire Maoist should be lined up and shot right on their arse and tortured to death, and this RNA personnel deserve no less. MAlai bujaunai ayena mero feelings.. Damn. In frustration....InDisGuiSE..:( |
| p'UNK_316 | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 12:54 PM
Its been a while since I had tears coming outta my eyes but after looking at that mother's picture, I couldn't help it........I realize its unhealable loss to her n I can imagine the pain she's goin thru now, specially that mo**fo*** shooter is hangin out freely in ktm. I say shoot that son of a b**ch...NOW.....I would if I could........I hope that mum gets over it soon (which, i know, ain't gonna happen).....my true sympathies are with Rajeev's family.... But I totally agree with GP, we're trapped between 2 evil forces and i can't see any way out. My solution to this would be : if RNA won't give death penalty to that soldier, international forces (like UN or other human rights org) must get involved in this......There's is no way we can let this incident slide through......this has to be the last time it happened.....NO MORE INNOCENT LIVES TO KILL, LET EVERYONE LIVE !!!! PEACE |
| mantriji | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 01:52 PM
I just think it reflects how terrified the average RNA solder is of the maoists! It is the fear which I think is drivng some of the army jawans nuts resulting in haphazard shootings like the one we are discussing. Does the RNA have psychological support to its forces? I bet not. It is time that they realize that RNA forces are in utmost psychological pressure originating in fear and try to address them. |
| boston_dude | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 02:07 PM
Nothing will change until we, the people, fight for our rights. My friends, what has happened here in the valley has been happening in the villages for as long as the "Gaunle"s have known time. Why do you think we have Maoists? Look at us. We (including myself) are pathetic. Paras killed innocent people and yet he stands in line to be the next king. We all know it but can't do anything about it. When the head of the nation (soon to be) is a known murderer and gets away with it; well what can we expect from his foot soldiers? Our nation is one where the one with the power can do anything to one without. From the very top to the bottom. There is no real law. There is no real peace. There never really was. B_D. |
| Nirvana | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 02:25 PM
My support/ respect to RNA is fading quickly as I hear incidents like this... and likes of JUNU. If they can behave in the middle of capitol like this, imagine how have they been behaving around county side. This is just too much....Like Biswo said not just RNA Jawans but RNA officers like Mr. Gurung do need serious lesson on how to respect the sanctity of human life. Sorry to say Bro DWI, I am not like you, if I ware one of the brother or family of Rajeev, RNA would be my #one enemy...... |
| Robert Frost | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 02:29 PM
This is a sad news. The whole RNA institution has to bear the the blunt of a pathetic action from one of its service-men. I wonder has the balance of the people towards recognizing who our enemy is, shifted from Maoists, who are committing free-hand murder, bombarding places they like, raping and then running away with lakhs and lakhs of money looted from the bank, and the RNA. The assault of the maoists towards innocence is unexplecable and just unimaginable. The jawans of RNA, who have been put on the frontline of these deadly battles against the maoists atleast deserve some of our praises. There are however some who would like to misutilize its power. But the action of one should not be taken as the action of the whole RNA institution. To the bereaved family, the RNA should provide apologies for their actions, and apologies alone will not do, because the loss of the son cannot be met by anything they will give. However as a means to keep things going without the son, they should provide financial benefits to the family. Lets keep things straight here, we need the army to fight against the maoists. We have no other means of battling against our public enemy and we cannot sit quiet and let these kinds of actions take place either. RNA without the support of the public is nothing, without RNA the battle cannot be won. I say, lets move forward. |
| dautari | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 03:03 PM
I think RNA knows more than anyone else how much public support they neet at the moment. The incident was a sad and islotated incident. There have been other such incidents and may have been many more such incidents. However, the public must be assured that the guy who shot the innocent youth has no future. He has no future in the army. And he will receive the harshest sentence at the court martial unless he happens to be the Chief of the Army Staff's saalo. And yes, let's respect what RNA is doing for us. If it had not been for the RNA, the maoist forces would have taken control of the entire country. So, unless that's what we want, let's support RNA as a whole while condemning such incidents. |
| as101 | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 07:41 PM
RNA shot innocent person that is unacceptable. I havent heard apology from RNA side to lost family yet RNA is just as worse as Moast |
| czar | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 09:31 PM
"And he will receive the harshest sentence at the court martial unless he happens to be the Chief of the Army Staff's saalo." Question: Why should the brother-in-law of the Chief of Staff be spared punishment if it serves the interest of justice? Why make the exception? Arguably, no matter however far fetched, a case for exemption can then be made for every serving member of the RNA. Including, but not limited to, the mongrel that loiters by the gatehouse of the CINC's residence and howls in such a dissonant manner each night that it has the guard detail's subedaar major's mustache all out of bent. Every dog ought to have its day, no? But does it serve the interest of justice and equality to make exceptions? In the first place, is it not just such a system of inequality that fuelled the rage that so inspired the masses to side with the Maoists? Dautari, I make no accusations that you advocate such injustice. I merely raise what I consider to be a relevant query. |
| salakjith | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 09:59 PM
Are Nepalese merely "bodies" to be wasted away? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/031101/241/5qm7g.html |
| czar | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 10:28 PM
On the matter of the killing: State forces that blatantly conduct extra judicial killings are the bigger threat to peace and freedom. It is par for the course for opposing forces, especially ones of the far left, to conduct brutal pogroms to eliminate all who may oppose them and expose their ideology for its lack of merit. This is a strategy they have tried, tested and refined over 70 years by some very bright, if twisted, minds. In the short run, it works with deadly efficiency. On the other hand, the forces of the state are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that befits their status as protectors of the people. Unthinking and unrestrained use of force against non-combatants embarks the RNA down a slippery slope into a pit that is impossible to dig themselves out of. Such actions contribute to prolonging conflicts. There are dozens of examples where conflicts spiralled out of control into an orgy of violence thanks to the contribution of state forces who went berserk on civilians and combatants alike. The closest, and most apt, example is Sri Lanka. A land that gave rise to perhaps the most ruthless fighting force, the Tamil Tigers, in recent memory. Extra judicial killings by both sides fanned the flames of hatred and war. Once an army goes down a dishonourable path, neither time nor history can fully heal the wounds they inflict. State forces in Uganda, Chile, El Salvador, Honduras, Ecuador, Colombia, Argentina, Vietnam, Cambodia etc. 'disappeared' their citizens by the thousands. Many decades later, the pain is not healed in these places. Too many questions remain unanswered and remain as issues too touchy for politicians to touch, mostly shoved under the carpet to remain festering quietly in the psyche of nations. Someone here mentioned the possibility of psychologically scarred soldiers. That alone is unsatisfactory an explanation. Still, for a government that still arms some of its frontline with 303 rifles, it is most likely impossible that it dispense psychiatric and psychological treatment to its men in uniform to deal with the consequences of lethal combat. More the pity, for such an investment is likely to provide higher returns than just guns and bullets alone. Has Nepal now joined the hall of ill repute in that the RNA conducts extra judicial killings and marches down the road of infamy, dragging the country into a morass that is hell refined? |
| eNigma_too | Posted
on 07-Nov-03 10:38 PM
Thank you GP for posting the email address. Living so far from our country, the least we could all do is voice our opinion and condemn the killing. |
| Buddu | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 06:55 AM
I pray God to give strength for the bereaved family. I am so sorry. I feel like I have lost my brother because we all come from the same energy source. THIS CLEARLY SHOWS HOW TIMID THAT MURDERER ARMY MAN (CHICKEN) IS. HE MUST HAVE BEEN SCARED TO DEATH PATROLLING, JUST LIKE A CHICKEN. ONE WHO IS SCARED ONLY ACTS LIKE THAT. HE MUST HAVE LOST HIS MIND SHOOTING SUCH AN INNOCENT BOY. I THINK ARMY MEN NEED MORE TRAININGS IN NEPAL BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE WELL, HOW TO TALK. MOST OF THE TIMES, THEY ARE TENSE BECAUSE THEY ARE TREATED ROUGH BY THEIR SENIORS, OR WHY? IT'S SO SHAME TO LIE THAT RAJEEV WAS TRYING TO ESCAPE. |
| Nepe | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 06:59 AM
To the apologists of the RNA, 1. The RNA is primarily protecting the monarchy, evrything else is secondary. 2. After the Emergency, RNA has included lies in each and every report made by them, except the one when they warned [political parties] not to make disrespectful comments about the monarch. 3. Let's not talk about the reports of independent and international Human right organizations. Even the government's own commission's records show RNA has commited more war crimes and abuses than the Maoists. See below (this is second time I have posted the following excerpt from the report of NHRC, Nepal) National Human Rights Commission Harihar Bhavan, Pulchwok, Lalitpur, G.P.O. BOX 9182 Kathmandu, Nepal PHONE.: +977-1-525659 FAX: +977-1-547973 EMAIL: nhrc@nhrc-nepal.org Human Rights and State of Emergency - http://www.nhrc-nepal.org/docs/HR%20and%20State%20of%20Emergency%20Final%20Report.PDF 11 ii. Killings by State Party Both the army and the police are included as the State Party. The study teams have largely covered the incidents involving the army. .... Several people supposedly killed in encounters have been found to be actually killed while in custody and in an unarmed state after surrender, or in the course of surrendering. ...... The people have been killed particularly due to the negligence of the security forces, fear psychosis, retaliation and insensitivity towards the human rights....... A number of women were killed while they had gone to fetch water in the wells in the evening and early in the morning. Those looking after their cattle sheds were also killed while clattering tins to frighten away wild animals. Some have been killed while running away from fear caused by the sight of the army. Laborers engaged in the construction of an airport in Kalikot were also killed. People were killed while working in the fields. After the killings, security forces have left the dead bodies behind unattended and coerced the local people to prepare an on-the-spot statement describing those casualties as part of encounters. Moreover, the locals also informed the monitoring teams that while taking the dead bodies to the district headquarters for autopsy, water bottles and socket bombs were sometimes hung around the waists of the dead in order to prove that the dead ones were Maoists...... ..... In Kanchanpur, indiscriminate firing by army squad killed four innocent villagers. In Dailekh, two people were killed after having been kept for two days in a ditch. In Kalikot, one person was made to dig a ditch in which he was compelled to sit and then shot dead. In the same district, four people were forced to carry stones and dig ditches and were then chained, shot, and then buried in the same ditch. Similarly, at Ramite in Morang, four people were killed and chained and then left to die in a public place..... ....Similarly, other examples of killings by the State Party are as follows: killings of the injured Maoists by attacking their shelters; killings after committing gang rape; murder of P.C.O. operator; murder of teachers; murder of a father because his son had joined the Maoists; killings for violating curfew; killings on the charge of having provided food to the Maoists and killings made by the security forces in the guise of the Maoists, etc. ...... i. Rape Committed by the State Party: The incidents of rape committed by the security forces are mostly incidents of gang rape. In several cases, it was found that the army personnel went to various houses, beat and dragged the husbands and the children out of the house and then raped the women inside their houses. Similarly, incidents of arrests followed by the killings of husbands and subsequent raping of their wives were also discovered. It was revealed to the monitoring team that an army squad took two women detained in Dailekh with them to an undisclosed location and then raped them. Their naked bodies were left at the location and the news was dispatched stating that terrorists were killed in an encounter. Summary of the Human right abuses.. 
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| GP | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 07:10 AM
I think the following guy is a big shot in RNA and we can write to him and if we 100s just write an email a few line with our dissatisfaction, he will report to his boss i.e. King. At least his email can be flooded to inform thaat how much we are dissatisfied with his staff. Lt. Col. Victor Rana C/O RNA PEACE KEEPING TRAINING CENTRE POST BOX #4281 KATHMANDU, NEPAL TELEPHONE: 00 977 1 62320(fax) 00 977 1 62325 E-MAIL: rnaptc@rna.mil.np victor_rana@hotmail.com There is another person whose name is in some directory i.e Rajan Nepal's Who is Who ... like that. Mohan Khadka: hello_khadka@hotmail.com, bharna@rna.mil.np Mohan Khadka must be either sibling of some generals or is officer, and I don't think a lower ranking personnel in RNA will have email address with bharna@rna.mil.np like address. Last but not least, the info@rna.mil.np is there, but, I guess it is monitored by some loyalist computer software / network company of some RNA chief's relatives as it usually happens in Nepal. So, I don't think info@rna.mil.np will be worth emailing, because the guy will just delete all the emails. Since Paras studied in BKNS, I am sure he visits BKNS.org quite frequently with some nicknames and that site would best to post your frustations, so that he will read our frustrations if we can swell BKNS with 100s of dissatisfied postings. Lets do something before Maoists start cashing this shameful act of RNA. GP |
| GP | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 07:24 AM
F*** you Deepak Gurung: From what we have informally gathered so far, it is clear that Rajeev was not killed as a part of military operation. It was plain murder, he added. Army spokesperson Colonel Deepak Gurung has maintained that the army personnel shot at Rajeev after he attempted to escape. What if there was bomb in the car, he asked. However, eye witnesses, including Rajeevs friend, and neighboring shopkeeper Satish Tamang, have reiterated that Rajeev was on the drivers seat while the shootout occurred and that he died on the seat. (from Kantinpuronline.com ) The line: What if there was bomb in the car, he asked........... it speaks what RNA is doing, how they are killing innocent peoples. They not have cross checks, they just shoot anyone who approaches near to them. Shit. |
| sparsha | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 08:09 AM
An army personel killing an innocent (appears so) civilian is a disgrace-beyound words- to RNA. The person who shot Rajeev should be brought to justice. My condolences to the grief-stricken family. A priceless life is taken away without any reasonable explaination (so far, I haven't heard/read any). What Col. Deepak Gurung saying is senseless. He should be warned against using such nonsensical argument as 'what if he has a bomb?' If we let an argument such as Col. Gurung has presented stand, we all are dead. With that screwed argument they (RNA) can kill anyone anywhere. What Col. Gurung said was wrong. I agree with GP that we should atleast express our dissatisfaction to the concerned authority within RNA. Having said that, let me also say this for record that evaluating RNA or Maoists should be done with neutral mentality. Emotionally charged conclusions are not always reasonable. Let's also put ourselves in RNA's shoes and look around. What do we see? Also, let's try to be a Maoists for a minute and see what the Maoist organization is doing. A biased decision fails to serve the purpose, whatever it may be, in the long run. Who is our friend? if we don't know this, let's try to know who is not, if recognizing eneny is difficult. |
| Biruwa | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 09:01 AM
When you are fighting with monster TAKE CARE that you don't become a monster yourself. © |
| rajiv sis | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 09:20 AM
Hello, I am Rajivs cousin. He was a hard working and an ambitious young man. At a young age of 21, he owned a store and was looking for a car to buy for his business. He has a younger brother and sister. He was supporting his family. Rajiv was trustworthy and was loved by his friends and family. I am deeply shocked, hurt and dissapointed by his untimely death caused by an army guard. I am going to Nepal next week. I will let Rajivs family know about your thoughts and prayers. May God bless you all, Rajivs sis Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere - Martin Luther King, Jr |
| Real_McCoy | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 09:54 AM
Hey Rajiv's sis, My heartfull condolences to you. No wonder "the Monarch" and and it's backforce "the RNA" are monsters. I used to be a big time supporter of the constitutional monarchy but not anymore. These kind if "Evil Doers" should be condemed. RNA, Govt. officials and Polices are all public servant(that's right " Public SERVANT), so they should treat citizens with dignity and respect. Did you hear that Mr. Col Gurung.... u're an A**Hole, so fu**ck you.... F***uk RNA. You know what Fu***k Monarchy. Dictatorship will not be tolerated in my beautiful country anymore. |
| GP | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 10:01 AM
Nepe Sir writes: The RNA is primarily protecting the monarchy, evrything else is secondary. Now, after hearing Col Gurung's response and reasoning, I wonder wheather the secondary purpose does exist. |
| Real_McCoy | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 10:15 AM
GP sir.... They do have a secondary purpose which is to fu**k us all and threaten the innocent civilian lives. |
| saroj | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 10:44 AM
God have mercy on the innocent people of Nepal. Would like to hear Isolated Freak's take on this subject. He seems to have interesting observations most of the time but he's staying mum this time... Saroj Amsterdam, Netherlands |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 10:48 AM
Saroj, It doesn't make sense to be saying the same thing again and again like a broken record. Plus given that people sometimes tend to mistake discussion with argument, keeps me away from indulging on disucssions like this. |
| dautari | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 11:31 AM
These types of things keep happening in the villages. Maoists attack security forces. Security forces get mad. And they start killing innocent people. However, I still support RNA as a whole .. although not in this case. And the coverup attempt is pathetic. They should apologise. |
| rbaral | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 11:49 AM
This is a very sad news. My heartfelt condolences to Rajiv's family and friends. |
| VincentBodega | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 12:55 PM
The killing is occuring from both sides. May be its the killing of each other in this rate that its been hard to tell whos who. Definitely not trying to justify the killing of Rajiv. That was bad and the culprit needs to be brought to justice. Whereas, I dont think I can go about saying that the whole of RNA is doing the same thing. Afterall, its them who have to stand on the lines of shooting so that the bullets dont get to our kids and parents. I dont think we can forget that. When a bullet his a life, at either sides, what lets go is the breath and no matter which side's it is, there'll be mothers crying and children mourning. ************************************************************** ASI shot dead An unidentified group Saturday afternoon shot dead an assistant sub-inspector (ASI) of police Pramod Bikram Hamal in Chitwan, radio reports said, quoting police. Hamal was a resident of Nawalparasi, Gaidakot. The armed group shot him at his residence. He sustained bullet wounds in neck and arms, and died en route to hospital, the reports said. One Maoist was shot dead Saturday in an encounter in Manpur in Sunsari where five socket bombs were recovered, Radio Nepal said. nepalnews.com mr Nov 8 |
| learner | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 02:57 PM
My heartfelt condolence to Shrestha family. While I am writing this, my heart is becoming full, tears in my eyes. I am also Shrestha, from Kathmandu so I feel as if something terrible has happened. . |
| Nirvana | Posted
on 10-Nov-03 03:03 PM
VB wrote the killing is occuring from both sides. May be its the killing of each other in this rate that its been hard to tell whos who. " VB Bro: you sound just like Moran D. Gurung who said Army personnel shot at Rajeev after he attempted to escape. What if there was bomb in the car. Man, we are talking about innocent victim who was in the car not running away and pretending or showing signs of being Maoist. If RNA cant tell who is who then they shouldnt be called Royal Nepal Army then should be called Royal Nepali Assholes&..I am pretty sure they have enough budgets to train their army some sensitivity training. |
| dautari | Posted
on 10-Nov-03 04:35 PM
I am a staunch supporter of RNA but I sometimes wonder : are the maoists killed in the villages really maoists? Or are they some innocent villagers killed in skirmishes and then branded maoists? After all, the dead cannot talk. However, I still respect RNA and what they are doing is the best interest of the country. If it had not been for them, then we'd be a maoist country by now, with Taliban-style rules and regulations. |
| VincentBodega | Posted
on 10-Nov-03 05:33 PM
Nirvana, I didnt write that line to explain the killing of Mr. Shrestha. I am equally sad too. From what we have heard, seems like the army personnel at blame and should be punished for that. The thing that I cant accept is going all out on whole of the army and labelling them as inept. If we are against the army, who are they fighting for ? Is it for the money, they are ready stand in the lines of those bullets that could get to you and your family? Do you even know how much they are paid? Do you know how much their family gets if they happen to die in action? The least we can do is appreciate what they are doing. The least we can do is tell a soldier's family that we are grateful for their sacrifice. Thats all. |
