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It's ok if people want to convert on their own free will.
But again we need to re-educate the religion of Hinduism. So the people will rethink before converting
to other religions.

Hinduism is not bad at all if one knows the reality of it. Just the bad elements have been incorporated into
it. To start one should try to see distinguish the oldest religions first.

Hinduism= pre-vedic religions + veda religions

Hinduism was term given by scholars to collectively classified all the religions practices in the
 Indian-sub continent.

But again it's up to people to decide.


 
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Christians are actively recruiting our poor distressed disillusioned Hindus. We Hindus are busy doing Yoga/Meditation. If we do not counter act this Christian offensive, tomorrow, Hinduism may turn into minority religion in Nepal.
 
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Folks,
To counter this effect, we should distinguish the practice of pre-vedic religion. Pre-Vedic religion such as Shaivism, Ancestors worship, Bumi puja(Land worship), Nature worships(trees, stones, snakes, etc), Animism and Shamanism were already in existence in the ancient India since the dawn of the mankind which has been proven by many scholars.

The religion of most of the ancient communities of the Central Himalaya was primarily based on the superstitious beliefs and was connected with the practice of sorcery, excorsim, and magic. The tree worship, the worship of Mother-Goddess and Chandika Devi, snake worship, stone worship in the form of linga or the cult of phallus, held very important place among the ethnic communities in ancient India. The aborigines of the mountain tribes of the country, who had not come into contacts with
Brahmins revered an invisible supreme  spirit, various other evil spirts, minor deities.., etc the practice which still survives." Shiva, generally considered a non-aryan deity, secured a prominent place among the Kiratas. It can be roughly asserted that Shiva-worship might have begun among the Kiratas in the mountainous regions of  the Himalaya in pre-Vedic times, before the advent of aryans.
Shaivism, in some form, was the prevailing religion of the aboriginal Kiratas.
On the basics of an eposide described in the Mahabhrata, as well as in the Kiratarjuniyam, of 
Bharavi, the Kirata may be identified with Shiva, and it may be suggested that Shiva was their popular deity. Romila Thapar, while supporting this literary evidence, also has admitted that in all likelihood the Kiratas were the worshippers of  Shiva.The assertion that Shiva, the god of the Himalayan mountain, was worshiped by the non-Vedic kiratas, can be proved in many ways. Some of the foreign scholars have also consolidated the concept that Shiva was a patron god of the aborignals. Megasthenes has also referred to the two Indian deities-- Dionysus(identified with Shiva) and
Herakles (identified with Krishna). The former was worshipped as the highest gods on the mountains and the latter was adored in the plains.Thus it is clear that the practice of worshiping Shiva might have begun much earlier to the Christian era, even though the Kiratas did not call themselves Shaivas.

Chandrapida, the prince of Ujjian, in course of his expediation against the Kiratas and the kindred tribes, inhabiting the vast tract of forest extending beyond Suvarnapura, as far as the mountain Kailash(the abode of Shiva) in Tibet, saw both the Shiva temple and a cave in its
southern direction, as recorded by Banabhatta in his  Kadambari. The region surrounding the Kailash mountains and Manasa lake (Tibet) in the Himalayas was inhibiated by the Kiratas and other tribes are also recorded in the Mahabharata text. That is a definite indication of Shiva worship in the Kirata region of the northern Himalaya. The concept of Shiva worship originally flourished among primitive tribes, living in the hills and forests --the Vratyas, the Nisadas, and other non-aryan. ~ Ancient communities of the Himalaya By Dinesh Prasad Saklani

More works from the scholars that Worshiping of Siva existed during pre-vedic times or where the influence of Brahmins were very limited:

"Whereas the Gopalas and Mahispalas were thought to have come from India and followed Vedic Hinduism with Vaisnavite inclination, the Kiratas were thought to be the followers of Shiva. Kirateswore Sivalinga and proto-Lichchvi Kali of Aryaghat are indicative of Sivaite following among Kiratas." (Tiwari 2002)
The Aryans entered the Indus Valley in waves between 2000-1200 BC and expanded into the Gangetic plains. The Aryans referred to the original inhabitants as “Dasa”, “Dasyu” and later “Saka” and they were excluded from the Aryan society because they had different religious beliefs. The Manusmriti identifies the Kiratas as one of the eleven tribes who inhabited the Indus-Saraswoti region. Tiwari believes some of these tribes were forced to move away from their homeland and into the Kumaon region. While the Khas set up their kingdom in the Kumaon hills, the Kiratas moved on to settle in the Kathmandu Valley. While no remains of temples were found in the Indus Valley, archaeologists have concluded that worship of the primal form of Siva, Rudra, was popular.

The easternmost town of the Sakas dug up by archaeologists so far is Alamgirpur which lies a little to the north of Delhi. Thus, the physical distance as well as the time gap between the Indus civilization and the Kathmandu Valley is not as great as it seems. Further east and closer to Nepal lay the Sakya kingdom of Kapilavastu. They are believed to belong to the Khas clan of the Sakas and they also extensively used brick construction. Considering the fact that the Sakyas and the Kirats were contemporaneous, it is not difficult to conceive that the Kirats may have traveled to Kathmandu Valley after being displaced from their ancestral homeland by the Aryans. ~ The Temple of the Kirata Nepal Prof. Sudarshan Raj Tiwari, Ph. D


According to G.P Singh, "Saivism, Saktism, Tanticism and Visnavism --- the four important sects or forms of Hinduism also became popular amongst the Kiratas.
It is very difficult to ascertain the exact period, which marked the emergence of Saiva, Sakti and Trantric cults as popular cults in the kiratas society.
However, on the basis of information contained in the literary texts and other collateral evidence it can be easily affirmed that a large section of the Kirata population in ancient times had abiding faith in the worship of Siva, Mother-Goddess or Sakti and Devi, par excellence and in the Tantric practices. Some of them came under the impact of Bhagavata cult too. Siva, generally conceived as a non-Aryan deity, secured a prominent place in Kirata pantheon. It can be roughly asserted that Siva worship must have begum among the Kiratas in the mountainous regions of the Himalayas in pre-Vedic times before the advent of Aryans. That is why, Siva(Kiratesvara=the God of the Kiratas) has been considered as pre-Aryan God. On the basis of an episode as described in the Mahabharata, as well as, the Kiratarjuniyam of Bharavi the Kirata can be identified with Siva." pg. 238, Kiratas in Ancient India by G.P Singh, 1990.

"The combat between Lord Siva in the disguise of the Kirata with Arjuna in the Mahabhrata is an interesting example of association of Siva with primitive non-aryan tribe.
The archelogical discoveries also prove the existence of crude form of Saivism among the kiratas tribes of North-East frontier region(present Arunachal Pradesh) before the emrgence of mother cult. By the middle of the 7th century A.D, the Kiratas of this region were completely brought within the orbit of Hinduism.
Th Kiratas tribe of this region came under the influence of Brahmincal philosophy of Hinduism.
The Archaeologist Report of Dr. T. Bloch and the discovery of numerous objects in recent archaelogical exploration clearly testify to the prevalence of Saivaism and the cult
of  the Mother-Goddess in the north-eastern frontier region in ancient times.
The worship of Siva in the form of Phallus represents a remnant  of the ante-Brahmanical religion of India. Linga worship became quite popular before the commencement
of the Christian era. However, the Phallic worship among the Pre-Aryan tribes in the form of stones is in approximation to the truth, if it is not conclusive.
"The clear conception of Siva arose in the Upanisadic age. Siva as been, for the first time, explicitly mentioned as the Aryan god in the Svetasvatara Upanisad
in the background of Yoni-Linga relationship. There was never mention of Siva as Aryan god in Rig Veda, the oldest text of Aryan". From here it can be ascertain that Siva was worshiped by the aboriginal Kirata and Dravidan people before the advent of Aryan. ~Tribal roots of Hinduism By Shiv Kumar Tiwari

Here's one more work where aboriginal people religions has been incorporated into Veda.

According to Coburn, it is striking that the word Candika has virtually no earlier history in Sanskrit. "There are no instances of its occurrence in the Vedic literature we have surveyed. The epics are
similarly barren: neither the Ramayana nor the Mahabharata give evidence of the epithet, although in one of the hymns inserted in the latter Canda and Candi are applied to the deity they praised." ~ Coburn, Thomas B in Devi Mahatmya pg. 95

Swami Prajnananda says "Savarotsava is Durga Puja. Swami Abhedananda remarks that Durga was worshipped by Savar, Barbar Pulinda caste. She was addicted to meat and wine, etc. The Chandipuza of autumn season was therefore called Savarotsava.............Durga and Chandi were
the goddess of the Kirata caste. So Durga other name is Kiratini. ~ Kali Prasad Goswami in Kamakhya temple pg.41


When the Vedic Aryan found that their gods like Agni, Indra, Varun etc. were loosing popularity and people did not worshiped the gods which they brought, rather they were worshipping Subra(Siva)and following Saivisim, then they placed Sibarai worshiping under banned.  At first the Aryanised conquerers held this religion (Saivism) in disdain and placed in under a ban. But it did not helped; ultimately peoples over come such banned and Saivism contininue to strive among the aborigines. At the same time to secure easy recognition by the aboriginal people, they placed Siva into Hindu pantheon. ~ By John Marshall, John Hubert Marshall Sir, Asian Educational Services

Here is one excerpts from another scholar.
 {R. Chanda, Indo-Aryan races-pp-99-101,106-8 248-52-where he shows that the primitive Saivisim, Vaishnavism, Sankhya and yoga are the four corner stone of modern Hinduism and that there was a time where the orthodox exponent of the Vedism recognized that- these systems were non-Vedic.} ~ The Indo-Aryans of ancient South Asia
 By George Erdosy


The degradation of Shavism and other aborigine religions started when their religions were incorporated into Veda, which the "chatur-varna" or four class social system
was in the Vedic religion. The promiment devastating affect on these religions came when the western scholars classified all the religious practice of the Indo-subcontinent into Hindusim blindly. Only through studying of the anceint communitities of Himayalas and India, the scholars have began understanding the roots of Hinduism.

If we are to save our "parampara" religion which we have been worshiping since the dawn of the mankind which the time is immemorial, Ancestors worship,the worshiping of Mother Goddess(Bumi Puja), Nature worship, along with Animism and Shamanism needs to be make aware to the public in proper sense. The system of "varna" should be eradicated immediately.


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once again YAWWWWWWWWWN, Yawn
 
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The majority of Nepali youths are in Saudi Arab and India as a labor. Others are either involved in Maoist groups or Christianity, because of no other better options they could ever find.

We wish all are educated, employed in our own nation and live with the wisdom of Hinduism (the oldest and beauties of all religion).

But society is no more under our control, we should change what we can and accept what we can not change. It's OK if people want to convert on their own free will.



 
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JPEG,

Your post was too long and hard to understand. Can you simplify? What is your solution to counter the rise of Christianity if Nepal?

I think you are trying to say that we need to separate true Hinduism from other negative items (eg. sacrificing animals, untouchables, caste system, etc) that have come to be a part of Hinduism though I'm not sure. Can you clarify please?
 
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Power Ranger you are correct in a sense that in order to counter Influence of Christianity in Nepal,
we need to bring back the glory days of pre-vedic religion.

As i said earlier that Hinduism is nothing more than a collective religious practices in Indian sub-continent.
Hinduism= pre-vedic religions + veda religions which the scholars have finally able to break the mystery.

For so long it was a mystery of why there were so many practices and deities under one religion(Hinduism).
As the scholars have studied the ancient tribes/aborigines of the Indian sub-continent, they have come to learn about the practices of these ancient communities.
As i already quoted and cited the number of scholars that many of the religious practices of Hinduism was already in existence. In those periods the "chatur-varna" or four class social system was never
a part of the religion. The varna system came with the creation of Veda. Please try to read some when you have time folks. I cannot explain everything here!

The untouchables, the dalits, the shudras and all those who are low born man suffered the worst in this kind of religion. Christianity no doubt hence took full advantage of these people.
It is correct to say that the veda teachings especially of varna has made the Hindusim unpopular.
The Veda also cannot provide people with satisfactory explanation into being of so many gods/goddess. In addition the incorporation of Lord Buddha as 9th incarnation of Bishnu makes it even more ridiculous whose teachings differ so much from vedic.

Therefore the people need to realize the true origin of Hinduism. That true Hinduism belongs to aborigines of the Himalayas and is "caste less"!
If we do not re-educate the people, Hinduism will surely be a minority religion in years to come.






 
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All religion is ultimately destined to be either doomed or doom mankind.

Though a lot of Hindus will claim that there has never been religious persecution or expansion on part of Hindus based on Hinduism which is somewhat true; Hinduism will also decline over time  and so will other religion. We as human race have progressed far more than our ancestors who inked those scriptures of wisdom in all fields: yes we are even more humane and more compassionate than our ancestors. The reason being: In general we have more comforts and less pain than our ancestors hence more empathy towards people in pain.

eg: slavery - all religion historically and theologically condoned slavery. Read Bible, Koran or Mahabharat all accounts for slaves and slavery as if it is a normal thing. Somebody said to me that back in those days it was a normal thing. Yes exactly my point we are better than people who made religion and wrote those scriptures.


 
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How about trying to educate them on Science and get them out of the slavery of Religion.

" I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world" - Darwin

 
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Advocating difference among religion is a sign of foolishness and backwardness ....In a country like Nepal we should allow all the people to follow the kind of religion they like then only it will mark the literary meaning of religious tolerance( treating every religion equally by every people) ...hindu should not go ahead and tell people and neither it does coz ....it's one of the best religion in itself where people believe in karma ...moreover a true hindu does not bother about other religion ....it treats theml equally ....
 
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Hindus is the biggest target for Christians for conversions. Hindus are more tolerant to other religions so it makes them vulnerable for conversion. Christians cannot imagine going to a Muslim countries and changing religions there. In India BJP raises its voice in this matter yet India is the fastest christian country in the world.

Hinduism is going to be a looser in this game. First of all Hindus are poor and cannot finance to keep its believers within Hinduism and Hinduism is also not able to change per time. The cast system and untouchable crap is going to take its toll.

As my Indian co worker was complaining one time saying that Christians were changing the lower caste people in Indian in masses. My response to him was why not " if hindus cannot respect fellow hindu and keep calling them lower caste in this 21st century, those lower cast people have every right to switch it to another religion who will treat them equal, if i was a lower caste Indian, i would switch it to another religion too". Hindus are and will loose this race.

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If people want to convert that is their choice(the question you should be asking is why are they converting ? maybe they are not happy with their current religion).  All Nepali people are equal regardless of what religion they practice.  Just because they are Christians, Hindus, Muslims, or Buddhist dun not make then any less of a Nepali citizen.   
 
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The problem is not with Hinduism. The problems lies with the creator of the Veda teachings.

Hinduism is just a new term coined by the western scholar to classified all the religious practices in Indian sub-continent.
Veda did not said our religion is call Hinduism or give any name to it.
Therefore it is just known as Vedic teachings or Vedic Hinduism.

Hinduism= pre-vedic(aborigines) religion + vedic religion

Therefore folks learn to distinguish Hinduism first. Hinduism is not bad after all if you know enough facts. It just that bad element has come into it and influence it. Like Indians coming to Indian-subcontinent and influencing Nepal and so on.

The creations of Veda was for the benefits to some only. Many are treated as low born man who have to serve others. Anyone who was non-aryan or whose teachings differs from vedic religion was placed as low born man.
According to Srimad-Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita, anyone, including so-called low born men,
who may take shelter unto the Lotus Feet of Lord Krishna or His devotees, is sanctified by initiation process.

kirata-hunandhra-pulinda-pulkasa
abhira-sumbha yavanah khasadayah
ye 'nye ca papa yad-apasrayasrayah
sudhyanti tasmai prabhavisnave namah

upon translation is;

Kirata, Huna, Andhra, Pulinda, Pulkasa, Abhira, Sumbha, Yavana, members of the Khasa races
and even others addicted to sinful acts can be purified by taking shelter of the devotees of the
Lord, due to His being the supreme power. I beg to offer my respectful obeisances unto Him.
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.4.18)

In the purport of this verse Srila Prabhupada describes the Pulindas as the Greeks, from whom Western civilization has descended, and the Hunas as the Europeans, who later inherited the Greek legacy. The Khasas are the Chinese, or Far-Eastern peoples. The Kiratas are described in the purport as aboriginal peoples from the Kirata province of "old Bharata-varsa."

Now isn't this a quite a contradiction? How can the Veda even classified other races as low born man whose teachings must have surely differs from vedic? Is like saying the Islam, the christians and other religions are of low born man.

When the Aryan found that their gods like Agni, Indra, Varun etc. were loosing popularity and people did not worshiped the gods which they brought, rather they were worshiping Subra(Siva)and following Saivisim, then they placed Sibarai worshiping under banned.  At first the Aryanised conquerers held this religion (Saivism) in disdain and placed in under a ban. But it did not helped; ultimately peoples over come such banned and Saivism contininue to strive among the aborigines. At the same time to secure easy recognition by the aboriginal people, they placed Siva into Hindu pantheon. ~ By John Marshall, John Hubert Marshall Sir, Asian Educational Service

According to The Indo-Aryans of ancient South Asia By George Erdosy, the primitive Saivisim, Vaishnavism, Sankhya and Yoga which are the four corner stone of modern Hinduism was recognized as non-vedic by the orthodox exponent of the Vedism in the early periods.

"The clear conception of Siva arose in the Upanisadic age. Siva as been, for the first time, explicitly mentioned as the Aryan god in the Svetasvatara Upanisad in the background of Yoni-Linga relationship. There was never mention of Siva as Aryan god in Rig Veda, the oldest text of Aryan". From here it can be ascertain that Siva was worshiped by the aboriginal Kirata and Dravidan people before the advent of Aryan. ~Tribal roots of Hinduism By Shiv Kumar Tiwari

Hence to secure easy recognition by the aboriginal people, the Veda placed Siva into its pantheon later when Aryan found that their gods like Agni, Indra, Varun etc. were loosing popularity and people did not worshiped the gods which they brought.

More conflicting is that since Siva is placed at the Hindu pantheon, why should these "low born man" whose religion was the worshiping nature,i.e stones, snakes reflecting Sivaism had to take shelter unto the Lotus Feet of Lord Krishna or His devotees?

The reasons are given by Romila Thapar in this excerpt.
 "While supporting this literary evidence, also has admitted that in all likelihood the Kiratas were the worshippers of  Shiva.The assertion that Shiva, the god of the Himalayan mountain, was worshiped by the non-Vedic kiratas, can be proved in many ways. Some of the foreign scholars have also consolidated the concept that Shiva was a patron god of the aborignals. Megasthenes has also referred to the two Indian deities-- Dionysus(identified with Shiva) and
Herakles (identified with Krishna). The former was worshiped as the highest gods on the mountains and the latter was adored in the plains.Thus it is clear that the practice of worshiping Shiva might have begun much earlier to the Christian era, even though the Kiratas did not call themselves Shaivas."

This shows that worshiping of Krishna was more evident in the plains than the hill regions and it can be seen Krishna as more to vedic teachings.
The Mahabharata epic tells how the Lord Krishna came to help Pandavas, while Lord Siva came as Kirata proves that Sivaism was one of the pre-vedic religion and belongs to aborigines living in the hills.

 The following praise from the Veda scripts tells it all.

Om Namah Sivaya Kirataya
Om Namah Umayai Sabaryai
upon translation is;
"Om! Salutation to Siva, the all good, the Kirata!
"Om! Salutation to Uma, the mother, the Sabari!

And this is quite a high exaltation of the status for the non-Aryan hill people, when the scriptures from the vedic literature solely reveal the true identity of Siva and Uma.
Both Kirata and Sabari are aborigines of non-aryan origin. Sabari is a female name from Sabara tribe. Sabara tribe is associated with food-gathering and hunting activities. ~Tribal and indigenous people of India by Rabindra Nath Pati, Jagannatha Dash

It is therefore scholars have identified Siva and Sivaism with that of aborigines/tribes than of vedic teachings. With the advent of Aryan and influence of their Veda tecahings, Siva and Sivaism was placed in the veda and as one of the trinity to secure easy recognition by the aboriginal people, they placed Siva into Hindu pantheon. ~ By John Marshall, John Hubert Marshall Sir, Asian Educational Service

Kiratas along with other tribes non-conforming to Vedic teachings was classified as Mleccha(babarians) in many early texts, in a sense that they were destroyers of Aryan. Hence the Siva was name as destroyer in the Hindu Trinity. ~ G.P Singh (The Kiratas in Ancient India, 1990)

As one scholar said "To begin with, the kipat system and the mundhum are traditionally
uncontested metaphors of Kirata culture. Similarly the worshiping of
Tagera Nyingmaphuma or the supreme deity was a pan-Kirata symbol. But with the
abolition of kipat system and the simultaneous influence of Hinduism, these symbols
have lost their strength considerably. Since Tagera Nyingmaphuma, is often personified
as Shiva, who is notonly considered tribal God but also one of the Hindu pantheon, he
cannot be claimed by the Kiratas as their exclusive God" ---Politics of Culture:
A Study of Three Kirata Communities in the Eastern Himalayas), 1999 by Tanka Bahadur Subba


Hence we need to clearly distinguish between vedic and pre-vedic religion and to conform with the practices as have been doing for the time since immemorial.
There is no class(varna) in the pre-vedic religion. This is one merit which we can restore the glory days of pre-vedic periods.

So what is your Religion?

Now going through the historical facts mentioned above who are the original Hindu? Are the aborigines or those invaders Aryan? What are their gods they brought along with them and listed in the Vedas? What are the gods images found in the Indus valley?
Who have converted to Hindu to whom? Did the Aryan convert us to Hindu? Or the aboriginals(Kirata & Dravidian) converted Aryans to Hindu?

So my fellow Nepalese, there is no cause to feel inferior or to feel that Hindu are not we or gods of Hindu are not ours. There is no reason to search for BETTE R GOD and BETTER RELIGION. No logic to through your OWN RELIGION & GOD. All the India’s religion, culture and land belong to the aboriginal people since 6000 years. The earth, water, fire, air, and sky of India are also yours, as it had been of your ancestors for thousands of years ago.

There is no need to convert!!




 
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There is no need to convert!!

Sounds like a line coming from someone who is at the top of the chain. There is a conversion because Christianity offers better deals to the ones on the bottom of the chain.

This will not change until Hinduism offers better.

Sid

 
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If I were a Brahmin or a Chhetri I would definitely remain a Hindu and discourage people from converting to something else.
On
the other hand, if I were a Vaishya, Shudra or an untouchable, I would
definitely convert to something Non-Hindu in a heart-beat.

Hindu religion is in need of major overhaul before it gets too late.



 
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Sid...Very true and well said.
There is no religion that is perfect and none better than the other. But my honest analysis of Christianity after knowing the real faith, is that they are smart and most of all very progressive. Why they go places to convert? It's not insecurities.You won't understand it without understanding their religion. It's a mission, achievement and restoration of peace and God's deed.
We have flaws left and right (caste system being the worst-worse then racism), there is hardly any progress made to solve it. It's the same 1000 year old practices and there is no enticement to the youth. If there was no parents, none will follow Hinduism. Take a look at your local Christian channel which you can get all for free and see what they are doing. They most impressive thing for me as an adult was their mission of music and how they have Christian Rock band and Rappers that are making carrier out of it, and in return kids are adopting Christianity (born again Christians) without any parental influence. Simple way to revitalize the faith among the youth, not a rocket science.
Truth...if you do not move with time, you will be left behind. It applies for everything.
I used to hate people converting to Christianity (as always we're taught by our parents to hate if they cannot understand the reason behind something), but now I have a different view and have no problem with it at all. In fact, I think we need more Christian faith in our country. Judio-Chritain faith has better morals than Hindu or Buddhist, just my personal belief. They are more successful and have less issues than us in term of corruptions, greed and selfishness.

 
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Bob marley,

I agree on your point that Christianity is the smartest and most productive organized religion that is out there.
 I also agree with the fact that Christianity is winning because they are able to change per time and act as the time demands, i take an example of "all men created equal on bible" movement used by Christians to abolish slavery in USA.

But i strongly believe that Christianity is one profitable business, Money is collected world wide from christian and non christian countries like India and Africa to poured into Vatican for a bigger fulfillment of christian ambitions. Read some on Mother Teresa Myths, you will find out how she was collecting so much wealth from poor Indian population and financing Vatican. In return she was bringing back 10% of what was collected from poor Indians and throwing it at Leprosy folks.

The ultimate goal of Christianity is to influence the world as much as it can so that the world would follow the ideal of Christian supporters, the WHITES.

Why christian are winning against Hindus are because of stupidity of Hindu religion, lack of Hindu leadership, and tolerance factor of Hindu factor. Christians have no success converting Muslims into Christianity because Missionaries are not welcome in Muslim country

Sid

 
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Sid...
I think your statement about money being poured into Vatican is true to an extent and not to the level that you're describing, but keep in mind Catholicism is not the only Christian. Worldwide, there are more Christian of other sects than Catholic and not all of them have Vatican nor the Pope. Some newer liberal sects (considered weird even by the Protestants) are nothing but betterment of mankind, not too much politics.
Regarding converting Muslim, you'll be surprised that there are infiltrating those territories in ways that we have no idea about. Believe me or not, they are converting Muslim, maybe not in huge success. Remember this is a religion which sent missionaries to Africa and  Papa New Gennie the local tribes were cannibals, and literally many missionaries got killed and eaten by those people. They have seen worst. Right now imagine how many missionaries are there in Iraq.
Whites are not the only Christians. Consider Africa, South America and many Asian countries are Christians too. Now there is a huge rise in China too.

 



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