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Sidster:

You are such an ignorant. Catholics do not actually convert anyone. It is us (i am a born again Christian by the way) who preach to people. It is not because of any money or anything we preach because it is the command in bible to preach to other about the good news of Jesus Christ. But it is entirely in the person's decision to accect Jesus or not.


If you notice, catholics are big in social service but they never preach or convert so do not blame them for collecting money. There are thousands of students in St Xavior and St Marys but i do not think any of them have been converted.


I think it is sad to blame Mother teresa of hoarding money because she is such a great example of simplicity and service. I do not agree to her spiritual beliefs and practices but i really respect her for her service and it is not good to condone such people.


 


 
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 Amid all the recent religious troubles going on in Nepal, someone comes up with this sensitive issue and tries to disrupt the religious sentiments of Nepalese people! What we must remember is that religion is always something that has been shifting. India was filled with Dravidians and they worshipped the form of Hinduism where animal sacrifice was practised, but when the Iranians or Aryans came from Iran, they worshipped the non-violence form of Hinduism. As they(Aryans)  were superior in intellect, they dominated the Dravidians (even with their colour of the skin) Hence, the Bahuns(fore-fathers being Iranians) were successful in having their way in Hinduism-caste system emerged out of this to maintain their supremacy.  


Kura, Christianity ko Nepal ma, that is something unstoppable! You cannot ask the people in Dearborn, Michagan to demolish the biggest Masjid, nor can you ask the people of Neasden, London to demolish their temple, both being technically Christian countries.


Lets remember, the truth shall make you free and lets try to find out the truth!


 Je Gare Ni Nepali!


 
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Bob,

Apologies for my little knowledge in Christianity.

I wanted to read more on Christianity as much as i did about Hinduism but i had to stop reading more as soon as Bible said earth was created 6000 years ago with a man, a woman, and a talking snake.

Hinduism was interesting on how it defined almost every aspect of life including cosmos, space/time, light speed and all other good scientific stuffs. But couldn't live with the idea of classifications among people and the ignorant Hindu preachers who would force rules on followers rather than change rules per demand.

Muslims just have been crazy with what they believe. They are Christian's brothers and the war between Christians and Muslims is a war within a family. There is no ultimate difference between those two. One uses force or threatens to change people and other uses love, care and money to change others. The ultimate goal is to change people, regardless of finding out if the people they want to change understand what they are changing.

After my brief study of religions, i concluded that all religions were formed for the best intentions. When there were no laws, rules and regulations, one or more wise people of society wrote bunch of rules to follow so that society would function properly. You look at all the basic rules from all religion it says the basic humane things like love, share, taking caring of the weak, not harming, killing and believing those values strongly. Human beings have advanced since the time those religions were discovered. Now we are civiligied enough to know what is right and what is wrong and we do not need those religions with outdated ideas to run our daily life. As every religion speaks for basic humane activities. If one keeps himself within the boundry of humanity no religion is required. Thus no Conversion is needed, no war is needed.
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Sheetalb,

I would expect a religious fanatic like yourself to call me ignorant. It doesn't matter how many times you get born again as long as you believe that the earth is 6000 years old and it started with a man, a woman and a talking snake, i do not want to hold any ideological argument with you.

Religion is addictive and although i do not practice religion or marijuana i support for legalization of both marijuana and religious freedom. Some may choose to go to titi bar instead of a church or temple and i strongly believe that the ones choosing church and temple instead of a titi bar should not be discriminated against.

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Sid
I wish you look beyond the religious books and see the values and morality that are passed on for the overall good of mankind, no matter what religion. I feel Christians are better off than us. I accept Bible is as dumb as flying monkey god, stone d!!ck worshiping, cow pee drinking aspect of OUR religion. Let us be clear that any books written and misinterpreted for thousand of year will NOT make sense NOW. We are as bad as them, let us not paint false pride here.
With regards to "cosmos, space/time, light speed and all other good scientific stuffs", if we were so advanced at that time when those ideas were conceived, then why the hell are we so backward now? How come the "New Kid On Block" surpassed us? Ideas without actions, maybe. So are we going to say Ravan invented aeroplane?
Shouldn't we be the most advanced society by now. Science moves forward, not backward. Holy Crap, what went wrong in our case.
Sheetlab
Don't be too holy. Catholic never accept homosexual but most of the priests invloved in the Church Sex abuse were raping little boys (not even girls). How hyprocrate. Catholism in US is the biggest joke. Pope didn't do anything, tells you where his priorities are. We might be backward and old beliefs (pagan u call us), atleast we do not rape little boys (we are not talking few rare cases, it was in thousands). So do not preach us.


 
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Bob,

The argument over what religion is better is a never ending argument and i would not side with any religion to prove one better over the next.

I think you and i have both agreed on why we think Christianity is winning and its because of the owners and preachers of Christianity are just way too smarter than other religions. The leaders of Christianity are smart enough to change the religion per time, they manage their organization more effectively and they have more money to finance their agenda than any others. If these facts make you believe that Christianity is the best that is out there then that is your opinion and you are welcome to strongly stand beside your opinion.

 I was only expressing my 2 cents on why Christianity is winning the conversion war.

Sid

 
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agreed...take care

 
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गाई काटेको निहुँमा झडप






२३-जेठ-२०६६,शनिवार

भैरहवा। रुपन्देहीको विष्णुपुरा गाविसमा करिब १५ दिन अगाडि एक मुसलमान परिवारले विवाहमा गाई काटेको विषयलाई लिएर प्रहरी र स्थानीय समूहबीच आज भएको झडपमा छ जना घाइते भएका छन्।  सो झडपपछि स्थानीय प्रशासनले त्यस क्षेत्रका विष्णुपुरा, एकला, जोगडा, रुद्रपुर, सूर्यपुरा र धमौली गाविसमा आज दिउँसो साढे दुई बजेदेखि अनिश्चित समयका लागि निषेधाज्ञा जारी गरेको छ।



घटना विवरणअनुसार भैरहवादेखि करिब २२ किमी दक्षिणमा पर्ने विष्णुपुरा गाविसको गिदैया भन्ने गाउँमा १५ दिन अगाडि भगेलु निबाद मुसलमानले छोराको विवाहमा गाई काटेको आरोप लगाउँदै मधेसी जनअधिकार फोरम निकट राममिलन केवटले आवश्यक कारबाहीको माग गर्दै जिल्ला प्रहरी कार्यालय, रुपन्देहीमा उजुरी दिएका थिए। सो विषयमा प्रहरीले पटकपटक छलफल गराउँदा पनि सहमति हुनसकेको थिएन। मुसलमानले आफूले गाई नकाटेको दावी गर्दै आएका थिए भने केवट पक्षले भने काटेको दावी गर्दै आएका थिए। तर प्रहरीले गाई काटेको कुनै प्रमाण फेला नपरेकाले कारबाही गर्न कठिन भएको जनाएको थियो।



समस्या समाधानका लागि प्रहरीले फोरमका जिल्ला स्तरीय नेताको उपस्थितिमा आज छलफल गराएको थियो। तर छलफलमा मुसलमान उपस्थित नभएकाले केवट पक्षको समूहले मुसलमानको घर घेराउ गरी तोडफोड गर्न थालेपछि प्रहरी र स्थानीय समूहबीच दिउँसो एक बजेदेखि झडप सुरु भएको जिल्ला प्रहरी कार्यालय, रुपन्देहीका प्रहरी नायब उपरीक्षक खिनुप्रसाद आचार्यले बताउनुभयो। उहाँका अनुसार स्थितिलाई नियन्त्रणमा लिन प्रहरीले १६ राउन्ड हवाई फायर गरेको छ भने प्रहरीतर्फ छ जना घाइते भएका छन्।


 
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Varna(class)

    The Hindu term for caste, a social division into which a person is born. There are four major castes in Hindu society: Brahmin, kshatriya, vaishya, and shudra. The first three castes are considered "twice-born." Each Varna can be divided into a number of jatis. Below these four varnas are the untouchables.

Anyone who seriously studies the Hindu scriptures cannot disagree of the abuses heaped on Shudras. (Shudras include all Scheduled castes, the backward classes and the backward tribes in addition to the so-called Harijans.

Perhaps, keeping these in mind L.R. Bali has aptly titled his book on Hindu religion as “Hindu religion or Hindu slur?”

‘Don't teach a Shudra’ – Skand Puran, Vaishnav Kand, Chapter 19.
Low caste people should not be imparted any knowledge. If a teacher tries to preach a Shudra, he would be a victim of many and evil. If a Brahmin teaches a Shudra, other Brahmins should boycott him. Such a Brahmin teacher must be shunned as if he was a ‘Chandal’ and also driven out of the village, educated Shudras should also be ousted. - Brahma Kand Chapter 10.

Punishment for learning to the Vedas

Another injunctions say that the Shudras should be strictly kept away from the Vedas. It is mentioned in the ‘Gautam Dharm Sutra’ that: “If a Shudra happens to hear the Vedic hymns, molten metal should be poured into his ears. If he chants the things he must be slashed with axes etc.

Punishment for seeking equality: Again according to Gautam Dharm Sutra, “If a Shudra ventures to sit on the same level or to sleep in the same bed or to walk on the seem road or to talk as the twice born (Brahmin, Kshatriya and Vaishya), he must be subjected to various punishments. – Gautam Dharam Sutra 2/3/5.

Monu has defined the nature of punishment to be given to the Shudra who dares to sit on the same seat as a Brahmin King. For such a crime a Shudra should be banished from the country after being branded with a red-hot iron or else his buttocks must be sliced away. – Manusmriti 8/281.

 ‘Manusmriti’ says a Shudra must be treated in such a way as a dacoit treats his victim. Allowing the forcible seizing of the possessions of a Shudra the smriti says: “If a sacrifice in not be completed owing to lack of resources a Vaishya may be approached for funds if he fails to rise to the occasion, necessary funds could be acquired from a rich Shudra by hook or by crook because a Shudra does not have anything to do in a sacrifice.” – Manusmriti 11/13.

Such injunctions are found in other parts of the Manusmriti also (Refer 18/4/7): “According to this verse of Brahmin could take away of Shudras property because a Shudra is not expected to possess any wealth. His master alone has the right to own his (Shudra’s) wealth.” – Manusmriti 8/417.

Slave by birth

The Hindu Dharam Shastras says Shudras are slaves by birth. ‘Manusmriti’ says that God has created Shudras to do menial work for Brahmins.  Therefore, he must be treated like a slave. – Manusmriti 8/413.

Rate of interest
The Dharam Shastras give the sanction to realize the highest rate of interest from Shudras. (8/142 ibid.): “The Brahmins, the Kshatriyas, the Vaishya’s end the Shudras are entitled to pay the rate of interest 2, 3, 4 and 5 percent respectively.

Restrictions on marriage
‘Manusmriti’ declares that of Shudra cannot marry a girl from outside his caste.  But a Brahmin can marry in the other three castes also in addition to his own.  Similarly Kshatriyas and Vaishyas are allowed to marry girls from castes lower than their own castes. (Vide 13/131 Manusmriti).
Surnames off the Shudras

It is also mentioned in Dharam Shastras that the names of Shudras should reflect their state of bondman ship.  In other words, the epithet 'Das' should be tagged to the names of Shudras. (Manusmriti 2/32).

Like ‘Manusmriti’, ‘Yamasmriti’ also enjoins that the word ‘Das’ must be attached to a Shudras name.

Similar injunctions are found in other Hindu Shastras also. Even books on grammar and poetry do not lag behind.  Panini wrote in his ‘Astadhyayi’ that a respectable person need not use the protracted sound to a Shudra while reciprocating a salvation.  But in the case of the other three castes he has to use it. (Panini 8/2/83).

According to 'Natya Shastra,' Shudras are to be seated near the blue pillar on the north-eastern side of the stage. (Sanskrit Drama P. 386). It also says the Shudra characters should appear dressed in blue color. (Ibid-P. 394-395).

The heroes of Sanskrit drama, must be of a noble descent. (Sahitya Darpan 3/30) and those of ‘Mahakavyas’ (epics) are to be Gods or Kshatriyas or people belonging to noble descent. – Sahitya Darpan 6/316.

 Again there is a specification of languages spoken by the characters in the sanskrit drama.  The nobility speaks Sanskrit, the lower caste characters Prakrit and the lowest castes, Paisahchi or Magadhi. (‘Dasarupakam’ 2/64-65.)

Untouchability

 It is said in the Hindu Dharma Shastras that even the touch of a Shudra makes a high caste Hindu unholy. Therefore, one should shun even the shadow of a Shudra.

The ‘Samvart Smriti’ says that the touch of a sweeper, a fallen person, a corpse, a woman having excessive bleeding during her menstrual period, and a woman having had a recent childbirth, defiles a person.  He should take bath if he is touched with these.

 Not content with this illogical command, the law books go to the extent of saying that even the sight of the Shudra can pollute a high caste Hindu.

It is mentioned in the 'Parashar smriti' (6/24) that when one gets defiled by the site of a scavenger, the impurity can be removed by looking at the sun.

'Vyas smriti (1/22/12) says Baniyas, Kiratas, Kayasthas, Malis, Chandal's etc. are untouchables. Mere conversation with these people makes a twice born impure and the impurity can be removed by taking a bath. Similarly, impurity caused by the sight of them will be removed by looking at the sun.

The statements of the Dharma Shastras regarding sub-castes among Shudras are highly reprehensible.  The following verses appear in the 10th chapter of the ‘Manusmriti’ bear testimony to the the global attitude shown towards the Chandal's and the Svpachs (dog Meat eating Shudras): “The dwellings of the Chandal's and the Svapachs must lie on the outskirts off the village.  They can possess only dogs and donkeys as their wealth and they can wear only the clothes removed from the dead bodies. Their ornaments must be made of bronze and they can use only old and broken utensils to cook food. After doing his work, a Chandal must go back to his hut and he should not stand on the streets unnecessarily. He can marry within his caste only.  Food should be served to these low castes in broken vessels and that also through servants.  A Chandal cannot move in the town and village during night. He must bear Government’s seal on his person while attending to duty. A Chandal's duties include disposal of unclaimed bodies and execution of the condemned criminals, according to the injunctions of the Shastras than the orders of the king. (verses 1051 – 1056)

 
Inferior to animals

 

Not only human beings but even God's gets impure by the touch of the Shudra.  A verse in the ‘Buddh Harith Smriti’ reads thus: “What should be done if a Shudra enters the outer courtyard of a temple or any other religious place? Making a cow walk on it and after that by smearing the floor with cow urine should purify such a place.

 

These statements to the show that even animals and a urine and given a better treatment their Shudras.

 

According to ‘Karika Vriti’, if a Chandal happens to defiles the courtyard of Shiv temple or Vishnu temple by his presence, the area measuring about Hundred meters surrounding the temple must be cleansed.

 

A Chandal could not take part  in any village function. The 'vriti' that's for the that calamities, like the decile in the powers of the presiding deity of the temple, death of the king and destruction of the village and standing crops etc., would occur if proper measures to purify are not begun in time.

 

“Thus the defilement of temple premises by the touch of a Shudra could prove disastrous to the king as well as to the country.  However, the danger could be prevented by performing appropriate rites like sneering the place with cow dung etc.”

 

Here, once again, more importance is given to the excreta of animals then to the human beings.

 

A detailed description of the measures to be taken when the temple premises etc. become unholy by Shudras is given in the 'Padmtantra’ Ch. 18: “First cleans the floor with a daub of cow dung and perform the rites to purify the place. After that give food to Brahmins. This must be followed by Vedic chanting and nonstop readings from the Purans.  Cows must be shattered at proper places in the vicinity of the temple. This process must be continued for do or four months depending on the gravity of the scene.  After this entity of the temple has been restored, the Brahmins, who chanted the hymns and read the Purans, should be appropriately rewarded.  The temple's must be renovated and new idols installed accompanied by proper ceremonies. After the installation, the idols must be washed with 1000 pots of water.  And finally a grand festival should be arranged.  It would prove harmful to both the king's and the country in the cleansing was not properly performed.

 
Animal waste superior to Shudras

 

The Shastras also proclaimed that animals excreta is superior to Shudras because drinking of cows urine would purify the person defined by the touch of Shudra. (Samvart Smriti 183).

 

'Samvart Smriti' says if anyone belonging to the twice born category (Brahmin, Kshatriyas and Vaishya) happened take water by mistake from a holy place or from a river where Shudras what engaged in work, he should purify himself by taking 'panchagavya' –a preparation of cow dung, cow urine, milk curd and ghee.
According to ‘Prashar Smriti’ if a twice born drinks water by mistake from a well that by Shudra he should fast for 24 hours. Again if the drinks the water from the well which had become impure by the touch of utensil belonging to a sweeper, he has to drink cow urine and eat barley soaked in cow's urine for period of three days. (Parasara Smriti Ch. 6).

The impurity caused by the touch of the Shudra is infectious if scriptures are the believed.  For, even an indirect touch of the Shudra can defile a caste Hindu.  In other words, a twice born can become impure if he is touched by those who have become polluted by coming in contact with the Shudra.

It is mentioned in the ‘Apastambh Smriti’ that a twice born after observing fast for one day and one night had to take ‘Panchgavya’ if he gets polluted by the contact of those who themselves were defiled by drinking water from the well made impure by a Shudra.

Shudra’s divided

The Hindu lawgivers have tried their best to sow the seed of rift among Shudras themselves. They took great care to keep Shudras divided so that the question of their coming together could not arise.

According to ‘Parashar Smriti,’ Chapter 6, if a twice born vomits the water which he drank from the vessel belonging to a scavenger, he can get over the sin by observing ‘Prajapaty’ vow. In case he fails to vomit and it gets absorbed in his body, he must observe the ‘Chandrayan’ vow.

Even these vows have been categorized: ‘Santapan’ for Brahmins, ‘Prajapaty’ for Kshatriyas and ‘Ardh Prajapatya’ for Vaishyas.

If a twice born or a Shudra happens to drink water on milk or God from the vessel of an outcast Chandal, the former can escape from the scene by observing ‘Brahm Varchas’ vow and the later by austerity and charity according to his capacity.

‘Atri Smriti’ also corroborates this practice of atonement of sin with the slight difference. It recommends ‘Chandrayan’ for Brahmins and ‘Santapan’ for Kshatriyas. Vaishyas have to drink ‘Panchgavya’, after observing simple fast for six nights and a Shudra can mitigate the sin by charity after three nights fast.
 
Right of inheritance

The Hindu law books say that Shudras can marry within their caste only, whereas the twice born are allowed to marry from lower Castes besides their own. That means all of the upper caste men could marry Shudra girls.  But the children born of the Shudra woman to a twice born do not have equal rights of inheritance with those born of woman belonging to other three Castes.

According to Manusmriti (9/151), a son born of a Brahmin woman is entitled to inherit three parts of his father’s property, if born to a Kshatriya woman two parts, if born to a Vaishya woman 1.5 parts, while if born to a Shudra woman, 1 part only.

Ban on piety

Death is the reward for a Shudra who performs sacrifices and other religious rites.

Atri Smriti says the king must execute the Shudra who performs sacrifices etc. If he fails to do so, his country would be destroyed like fire by water.

An episode in the ‘Valmiki Ramayan’ says a Brahmin put the blame for the death of his young son on Lord Ram. Then Narad came and explained to Ram that the death was owing to the illegitimate ascetism of the Shudra.

In another context, it is said that Ram saw a boy in the direction of South doing penance. When Ram asked the boy reason for his penance, he replied that he wanted to conquer the ‘Devlok’ and then attain God-hood.  He introduced himself as a Shudra named Sambuka.  When Ram came to know the identity of the boy, he immediately killed him with his sword.  And the gods expressed their gratitude by showering praises on Ram.

As simple as killing of frog

According to the Dharma Shastra, one can take the life of the Shudra in the same manner as one can do in the case of lesser animals like frogs, crows and owl’s.

Manusmriti says one can atone for the sin of killing animals like cats and dogs by observing the same vow as one does after killing the Shudra. – Manusmriti 11/131.
 
Disparity in legal matters

‘Manusmriti’ forbids a Shudra from giving evidence in the lawsuit involving Brahmins.  Similarly, a Brahmin cannot give evidence in the Shudra’s case.  Shudras alone can appear as witnesses in the case involving Shudras and the same applies to scavengers also. (‘Manusmriti’ 8/68).

If Kshatriya utters harsh words to a Brahmin, he has to pay a penalty of Hundred coins.  In the case of Vaishya, it is raised to 200 coins.  But a Shudra has to be given a death sentence for the same offense.  On the contrary, the gravity of punishment is highly reduced when it is directed against a Brahmin.  He has to pay 50 coins to a Kshatriya and 25 coins to the Vaishya and only 12 coins to a Shudra for committing a crime of impetuosity. (‘Manusmriti Ch. 8).

In short, the scriptures provide maximum punishment for Shudras while the other castes get lesser punishment for the same kind of offense.

The tongue of the Shudra who utters harsh words against the twice born must be cut, says Manusmriti.  If they Shudra who announces the name and surname of the twice born or utters impertinent words like “Hey Yagnadatt you are a low Brahmin” etc., a 10 in. long red-hot iron nail is to be thrust into his mouth. – Manusmriti Ch. 8.

Ironically, a Shudra is punished even for doing good deeds.  Religious preaching was considered to be righteous act, but Manusmriti says that hot oil must be poured into the mouth and ear of the Shudra who dares to preach a Brahmin.

When the Shudra or a Chandal assaults member of the upper Castes, the very limb with which he had hit must be cut.
Even the Adi Shankaracharya whom the modern Shankaracharyas represent, condemned the Shudras and recommended punishment if they happen to chant or hear Vedic hymns. (‘Brahma Sutra Bhasyam’ 1/3/34-38).

Craftsmanship
Instructions regarding the treatment to be given to the Shudras can be found in the Purans also.
‘Vayu’ and ‘Brahmanand’ Purans recommended craftsmanship and menial service as the only avocations for Shudras.

The Purans take great care to perpetuate the religious exploitation of Shudras.
‘Vishnu’ Puran says the Brahmin who performs a sacrifice for a Shudra would go to hell. (‘Vishnu Purana’ 2/6/18)
The same attitude is reflected in ‘Vishnu smriti’ and ‘Manusmriti’.

After going through all this, every Human Being would feel the need to Destroy the Hindu Society. So lets wake up and unite to change the attitude of all the fanatics for the benefit of the society. If we don't do this, Hinduism will exist in the museum. We need to go back to pre-Vedic religions.
A religion where varna doesn not exist. A religion, our parampara which the aboriginal people in the Indian sub-continent have been practising since immorial time.
One thing about present Nepal government has done good is the kicking out Indian's priest from the Pashupathinath temple recently.
I don't mind dalits/shudras/kiratis to officiate the temple. If Pashupathinath temple is officiated by dalits and Kiratis, it recapture two essence here.
1. reviving the past of Kirateswor Pashupatinath.
2. the glory of the caste less Nepal again.


This ensures that Hinduism will continue to flourish in Nepal.

Jai Mahadev, Jai Nepal


 
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As a now (June 7, 2009 @ 10:15pm CDT), 47% do not have any issues with the expansion. 43% would like to reverse

the expansion by peaceful means. People wanting to reverse expansion using violence or wanting Hindus to start

converting non Hindus is negligible.

As for the people wanting to reverse using non violents methods, I only see the following 1 method so far proposed by JPEG.

1) Re-educate people with true Hinduism (Pre-vedic). Pre-vedic system did not have class system other negative

aspects of Hinduism that people are running away from and into the arms of Christianty.

Those of you who voted for non violent methods, do you have any more methods?

 
Posted on 06-08-09 9:00 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Sheetalb,


I have a question for you, WHY IS IT OK FOR BORN AGAINS TO GO SPREAD THE GOOD NEWS OF JESUS CHRIST TO THE WORLD AND IS NOT OK FOR OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD TO COME SPREAD THE GOOD NEWS OF MOHAMMED, BUDDHA, YAHWEH OR GANESH IN THEIR NEIGHBOURHOODS ?  THAT JUST SHOWS HOW HYPOCRITAL YOU AND YOUR BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS ARE.


And Sidster,


Your comment on how there is no need to convert shows how ignorant of a baffoon you are.  If I want to convert who the fug are you to come and tell me not to ?  If I am not happy with my current religion it is MY choice to convert and not YOURS or the SOCIETY's AUTHORITY to DICKTATE me. 


Power Ranger,


Re-eduating has nothing to do with this.  IF I AM NOT HAPPY WITH MY CURRENT RELIGION REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY A TIMES YOU RE-EDUCATE WIL NOT SWAY MY MIND.


 
Posted on 06-08-09 10:19 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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BathroomCoffee,

If we do nothing against this expansion, Hinduism in Nepal will become a minority religion soon. A lot of people are not looking forward to see that happen and want to do something about it by peaceful means. One of the peaceful means is to re-educate the people of Nepal to true Hinduism. True Hinduism is core Hinduism minus all the funny stuffs like caste, untouchables, superstitions, etc. Re-education rather than doing nothing should slow this expansion. If it does not then we need to come up with something that works.

Power_Ranger

 
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Sidster and Bob:
The things that you talk about is not about religion as such but about people. People can be bad and this is one thing we christians acknowledge and where there are a group of people there will always be politics, power struggle be it a Church or a country and so there is no surprize that there are priests who rape children because they are just using religion for themselves. But i think when we talk about religion we should be talking about the philosophy, the meaning of it and all that not the people. Havn't you heard of pastors in US hoarding money, that is no different than pujaris of pashupti taking all the cash. the same pastors will be teaching about self discipline and giving but it is upto me to be angry at them or practice the good things i believe in my religion.


 


 


 


 
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Christian competition is actually good for the society. This competition has forced us to look into ourselves and ask what is wrong with our Hindu religion and make changes.

  • We should clean the Hindu religion of all the bad things. Hindu religion should denounce caste system, superstitions, and embrace untouchables, etc.
  • We should not use violence. Violence is so old fashioned.

 
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Bathroom:
Why don't you spread the good news of Hinduism...i am all ears here.....
 
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Bathroom,

I am not telling anyone whether or not to switch the religion here. I am only expressing my opinion that if you believe in humanity there is no need for a religion or the conversion. I have seen your constipated comments before. I understand that it makes you feel smarter when you call others ignorant. Pull your head out of your ass its a beautiful day out, its in the 80s, doesn't hurt to let your head see some sunlight sometimes.
And if your religion is not making you happy please switch it to the one that makes you most happy and save us from the misery. If switching a religion is going to make you happier and not constipated please do us a favor and switch it to whatever religion you prefer.

Sid

 
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Power Ranger,"If we do nothing against this expansion, Hinduism in Nepal will become a minority religion soon. A lot of people are not looking forward to see that happen and want to do something about it by peaceful means. "


ha ha ha This just shows how ignorant you are.  There are other people living in Nepal besides Hindus, you are talking as if Hindus are the only people living in Nepal.  The Hindu religion's ignorance has brought this situation upon us. If Hindus had treated everyone fairly, they would not be in the predicament they are in now and feel threatened.  I mean look at yourself ... he he you seem like a well educated person ..... he he  and yet you are talking like a Hindu Taliban.  If Hindus had not supressed the lower caste Nepali citizens and the minority ethnic Nepalis the way they did this situation would not have crop up in the first place.


 


 
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Sheetalb,


I do not believe in any religion btw. ha ha ha  AMONGST ALL CHRISTIANS THE BORN AGAIN ARE THE WORST.  Perfect example ... George Bush and all his right wing cronies who would rather let Bible(a book written more than a 1000yrs ago) dicktate their life in this modernday world literally. ha ha ha They are no different than the Muslim Talibans, all they do is thump their Bible and tell what it says(totally disregarding logic and reasoning). 


 


Sidster,


I have seen your diarrhea mouthed smartass coments too, he he And for your kind information I am an atheist and do not believe in god as you know.  And oh yeah its your Diarrhea Mouth that is causing my constipation. ha ha ha


 
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 I am happy nepal is a secular country. Coz now all religions have equal say.

 well for most part, it is true and sad, Hinduism is bullshit religion. Just take an example of pashupati, they don't allow kuirey to visit. Whereas in any chruch, any1 can drop in. Corrupt people have totally corrupted the religion. Especially bahun mentality people, who have used their religion to maintian some sort of status in the society. Nowdays, even pahsupati is muddled into politics. India bata priest chahine re. desh kai pani na chalney bhaney lai preist banai deu...tehi thik cha...aba ayoo kura tehi extremist harau..La congrats nepal le tyo ni janamayo...thanx to dat asshole mainali guy.who bombed that chruch.tehi religious tolerance ko lai nepal famous thiyo.aba no more..

I totally agree with bathroom coffee on most points.

 Look at christianity, they are helping people even if it is in name of religion. their chruch is open for everybod..not just high caste people..or some bahun or chetris..Offcourse christianity is enticing..they are well organized..while bahun preists in temples are just happy collecting offerings made..

Look at now new breed of hinduism, xenophobics.can't even tolerate neighbour with different religion.such a same hinduism will be minority re.

people would rather donate to christian chruch which does something for people than that discriminatory hindu temple plagued wth corruption..just like out country..and does nothing for sake of people. Althought all religion is crap..atleast they are helping poeple. I haben't heard of single chariable hindu organization...And Plz don't talk about bahun breeding sanskrit organization..



 
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As one scholar said "To begin with, the kipat system and the mundhum are traditionally
uncontested metaphors of Kirata culture. Similarly the worshiping of Tagera Nyingmaphuma
or the supreme deity was a pan-Kirata symbol. But with the abolition of kipat system and the simultaneous influence of Hinduism, these symbols have lost their strength considerably. Since
Tagera Nyingmaphuma, is often personified as Shiva, who is not only considered tribal God but
also one of the Hindu pantheon, he cannot be claimed by the Kiratas as their
exclusive God" ---Politics of Culture: A Study of Three Kirata Communities in
the Eastern Himalayas), 1999 by Tanka Bahadur Subba

What Subba is trying to say is since the pre-vedic religion and veda religion has intermingled and overlapped to such a point, that it is very difficult to separate the Hinduism.

Though practice such as Sivaism has been incorporated into Veda, there are still few
pre-vedic religion practices remaining in Nepal today and this can be seen in Kirat communities.
Here's some significants about Kiratas religions that have survived being incorporated into Veda.
While worshiping of nature(snakes, stones, etc has been incorporated into Veda) which relates to Sivaism, Kul Puja or Pitra(ancestors worship) and Ubhaul and Udhauli Puja(mother worship) have escape being incorporated into Veda somehow.

What is Kul puja?

Kul Puja is the worshiping of one’s ancestors.While there are variations in kul devota worship, these activities have one thing in common. They are a means of ensuring prosperity, good fortune, and appeasing the gods and ancestral spirits. Given the importance of the rites for the well-being of the descent group, it was the social obligation of every household that possesses the necessary resources to hold kul devota worship, to sponsor the ritual activities

What is Udhauli and Ubhauli Puja?

Udhauli puja is the worshiping of mother goddess. Udhauli means going down. It is believed that from this day the winter season starts. So people, birds and animal migrate from cold regions to warmer regions. This kind of migration occurs twice in a year. The celebration of migrating downwards during this season is called “Udhauli" and the celebration of migrating upwards during the season of Baisakh (April or May) is called “Ubhauli.
This has been going on since the dawn of the mankind which time is immemorial. In those times people were hunters and gatherers, living in caves and so on.
The Vajasaneyi Samhita of the Shukla Yajurveda refers to the Kiratas as cave dwellers.

Still today, animals and birds do the seasonal migration.

Later the Udhauli and Ubhauli Puja came to be known as Bhumi Puja when Kirat people shifted from being hunters and gatherers to agriculture.
This event is also called Worship of Land where Kirat people worship mother nature and earth asking for good cultivation of crops during the season of April( Ubhauli) where people starts to sow crops and thanking the god for giving good crops during harvesting before the cold seasons start to turn in (Udhauli). This event of Kirati people is stated in the Mundhum (holy book of Kirat people).

Why do the Kirat people burn Tetepati leaves at some of their religious function?

There were no incense in the early period. But the Tetepati leaves are from trees, and trees have been always been there since man was here on earth. That’s why Kiratis are nature worshipers.

Why do the Kirat people used wild bamboo containers to store wine and jaar?

Again there were no luxurious jar or glass containers to store wine and jaar(millet beer). Hence Kiratis made whatever nature gave them. Hence nature worshipers.

How come they don’t use all those religious offerings like Hindus do? why don't Kiratis put on the sacred thread as Hindu brahmins do?

Kiratas worshiped nature and ancestors. They also believed in animism hence they practices are simple and not complex that those of Veda religion. Again Hinduism was a new word given by the scholar to classified all the religion practices in Indian sub-continent. Hindusim= pre-vedic religion + Veda religion
Hence the formation of the Hinduism changed many practices from original practices.

The Vishnu Purana indicates that the "chatur-varna" or four class social system was absent in Kirat desh in the East and the Yavanas(Greek) and Kambojas(Iranian), etc. in the West. Hence Kirat ideology differed from the Vedic teachings again going back to pre-vedic teachings.

As the Kirat people in the beginning were rationalistic idolaters, they neither had temples, altars nor images, conceiving that none of these was necessary, but that the God resided in light and fire. Hence, they worshipped spirits whom they believe to be the residents of fire and the sun. So according to Sapji Mundhum, there are 19 spirits of two classes: the Good Spirit and the Bad Spirit.

Besides the Mundhum of Good and Evil spirits, the Kirat people believe in oracles. They believe in the inspiration of God's spirit in human body. When a person is inspired by the good spirit of God, he or she will be senseless for a while and when the sense returns, he or she will begin to speak oracles. He or she prophecies the good or bad results of a sickness or of projects of any man or woman who consults him/her. He or she recites all the Mundhums of the past days in his/her oracles. These oracles encourage people to do good work for the benefit of the others. They give good advice to people who believe it and direct them how to proceed to good path. They instruct people to use medicine for the recovery of sicknesses. They do not advise blood sacrifice; on the contrary, they instruct them to be pure in spirit, body and in their work. When the God's spirit goes away from his or her body, he or she will fall asleep for a while, but cannot remember what they had said before. This culture can be compared with the Delphi oracles of the Greeks or Yavans in ancient Greece, where the priestess after chewing the sacred bay and drinking water from the sacred spring took her seat on the tripod and uttered oracles.

This culture of animism of the Kirat people seems to have started a very long time back. Jack Finegan of Princeton University mentions in his book of the Archeology of World Religion that during the pre-Aryan period, the Indus Valley Civilization appeared to have much animism in the religion.
 

 LAW OF MARRIAGE
 
  1. (a) The matrimonial connection between father - daughter, mother - son, brother - sister should be prohibited. (b) There should not be any marriage between a step-brother and a step-sister. (c) The system of marrying cousins should also be stopped. (d) No one should break the blood relation from the father’s side. (e) The blood relation from mother’s side should be opened after the fourth generation only. He who violates the above rules will be killed by thunderbolt.  2. (a)  Young girls of a different blood should be bought for wives and their marriage should be solemnized through their priest and his witness would legalize the girl’s status as a legal wife of a legal husband. (b) The children born of an illegal wife or illegal husband will be illegal and they cannot have any rights to parental property. They will be under the disposal of their maternal uncle.  3. (a)  When a woman delivers a male child, she should be purified on the fourth day and the child should be named on the same day. (b) She should be purified on the third day if she bears a female child and the naming ceremony of the female child should be done on the same day.
                                                
DEATH RITES
 
Why do the Kirat communities bury their dead instead of cremating them in the ghats?

It is because it is the right thing to do. The Mundhum states that “God had made your body out of the earth and ashes and today your body is mixing with the earth again.
When a member of a family dies, the corpse should be washed and wrapped with a white shroud and put into a wooden coffin, “ Khong” and should be covered with, “Khuk” in such a way that the face of the corpse can be seen from outside. The head of the corpse should be exposed and be sheltered with a kind of cap or hat or umbrella, “Saklip”. The coffin should then be buried within a stone box under a four feet deep pit. All the mourning members who attend the burial ceremony should offer a last handful of earth to show their last respect to the dead person and the following should be chanted, “God had made your body out of the earth and ashes and today your body is mixing with the earth again.” After covering the pit with earth and stones, the grave should be piled up with four steps of stones for the man and three steps for the woman. A stone pillar should be erected in the middle of the grave. If the man is of high regard, his stone monument should be raised to eight or nine steps high in his honor.

When Aryans first saw the kirat-ashur people in India, they found them as enlightened like themselves and called them Devas or gods or civilized people. In the region of veda, it is mentioned that the deities in the main is conceived as humans. The names for gods appear in Sanskrit as Deva, meaning enlightened one. Another designation used for deity in Rig veda is Ashur or Assura. But in Yajur veda, Athar veda and subsequent Vedic literature, the Ashur-kirat people fought against the Aryans and therefore, they were thought as evils. They classified them as vratya – kshatriyas.

Regarding Yakshas or Yakkhas, the Archeology of World Religion mentions that the Archaeological Museum of Mathura has a statue of Yaksha or Yakka. It is said that it is the oldest known Indian stone sculpture and is eight feet, eight inches high. The Sanskrit word, “Yaksha” or, “Yakkha” was perhaps originally a non-Aryan or at any rate a popular designation signifying practically the same as the Aryan Deva.

The pre-vedic religions as seen is simple, revolving around nature, ancestors and spirits.
It's makes so much sense than the Vedic teachings which seems to make no logic.
There's no hassle and most importantly every human beings are treated and respected equally.

That's why we should better re-educate about Hinduism properly. If not it would be too late and
the last thing one needs to know about Hinduism would be in the museum.

Wake up folks!!! It's our religions that is facing danger now.





 



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