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New Royalist!

I thought I am done with Sajha for few moths. However, when I read his Majesty’s car got stoned in BBC news as a top story of the day, I couldn’t stop myself from dropping few words. What a shame and what a best example of uncivilization to the world!

Instead of discouraging such misbehavior, so called leaders will label it as the people’s sentiment. What a shameful culture! What a shameful politics! And what a shameless poeple!

Maoists have taught us very wild culture. Kill them! Beat them! Hit them! Wipe them out! Eradicate them! These are Enemies! ..... These are the words Nepali society has learnt from these Maoists. I have always recognized their most of the political demands and agendas; however, I have never supported their principle …. Their self-righteousness cruelty and extremism have always been a repulsive force for me.

Today country is divided, who taught this? Maoists! To make their so called peoples war they divided people by caste, culture, region and ethnicity. A tiny little country got divided into numerous pieces by the name of aweakening people. Now we all have witnessed how chaotic the country is being.

There are better way to do right things. If your radio is not working, fix it properly; don’t hit it. Once it had worked by hitting doesn’t mean that hitting is the right way of fixing.

What type of culture we are getting from these cruel people? What type of civilization we are learning? By the name of revolution these people introduced a culture of anger. A good quality is recognized by every culture, every society and everybody. …it is human to recognize good and bad. Tell me any civilized society which recognizes anger over forgiveness? Any society which promotes anger is uncivilized, premitive society.

The poor king, who is left with nothing, is an object of compassion. He has done mistake but people are exaggerating his mistake. Few decades later when unbiased History will be written, I bet Prachanda will not remain hero.

King killed 21 people and lost everything; Maoist killed thousands and got everything. Girija killed thousands and became hero of the country. Krishna Sitaula killed more than 21 and refusing to resign. It is too old logic to say king killed to impose autocracy where as Prachand are Girija killed for Democracy. Prachanda and Girija had had killed each others people. If you are saying Prachanda were right, Girija must be wrong and he must be punished. If you are saying Girija was right, Prachand must be wrong and he must be punished. If you blame on king for their kilsl, you must be jocking.

Don’t blame only to Royal regime for our backwardness. Royal regime is responsible but we are equally responsible too. We have tradition to blame others. Do you know what type of culture we have? What to talk about other things we need foreign aid to dump our waste! We are not good ourselves how silly is it to expect our leaders to be good? Afterall we all share the same culture including leaders and the king.


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Vishontar ji,

Unlike you, I do not claim myself royalist. I would rather be called as person who wants to see democracy exists in Nepal. This is very crucial point of time for all Nepalese. I am supporting system of Monarchy not because I pity him .I think we need monarchy now than ever before.

It is very simple that people don’t understand, King says “ Lets unite and make New Nepal and let democracy prosper” whereas Maoist says “ we do not believe in this democracy “ what part of these sentence people don’t get it .I don’t understand. Maoist have very clearly put their agenda, they want one party democracy. A joke.

Instead of making democracy strong, SPA cannot decide which is their enemy and which is their friend. They want to hide all there past mistakes by making King a scapegoat. I just don’t like this part. Have they admitted their fault? They are scared that they are so incapable of handling democracy that they will lose it again to king. So, if you cannot handle democracy then it is better that you don’t take it.

Slakademic,

Let me answer your question, so you think, YOU THINK, and many of you think Gyanendra killed birendra.may be!!!! Hmmmm…so what do you think of thousands killed by Maoist that we know. WE KNOW!!!!!.You are ready to forgive Maoist but not king? So what about UML cadres killed by Girija???
We do not even need to go far what about 30 people killed By SPA govt???
Answer that first!!!
You think Gyane is chor ..may be you are right…ok lets give it to you ..You are right. So what about other chor.when you are surrounded by chor Na chor .What is your solution? You want to give chance to some chor to be sadhu and not one chor .why discrimination ..Just because he is King ..He is also a Human being after all .He has emotions and feeling as you.
Let me tell you, No matter how bad this person might be ,truth is he is not enemy of Nepal. He loves Nepal.(and some one pointed it of course he has so much property, may be whatever reason)he is not as bad as a person as SPAM is trying to pot ray
How easily you guys can forget the frustration with Past govt.How easily? He just ruled 15 months out of 15 years .He is only 10 % responsible!!!!! Who is to be blamed for 90% you tell me???You ?

Personally I have nothing common with King Gyanendra.

1. He seems to be a close minded religious fundamentalist where as I am an open minded person who doesn’t belongs to any organized religion.


2. It seems he believes in god and does his best to conserve the Hindu tradition no matter how regressive it is. However, I don’t believe in God and a strong activist against the regressive traditions.

3. He either believes sacrificing animals will make god/goddess happy or that will make him a religious person. Where as I believe it is greatest sin and most no religious activity.

5. He believes Pashupati Nath will bring welfare to the country and say so after his every single speech. However, I don't believe Pashupati Nath will not bring welfare to Nepal and Neapli, but I know he can not bring. That stone statue can only bring welfare to only one Family, known as Bhatta Family.

4. He believes Buddha as an incarnation of Vishnu and he worships him (Buddha), where as I believe Buddha was a great teacher and I practice his (Buddha's) teaching.

5. If I say Ram and Krishna are fake mythological characters, he will be mad at me because it may hurt his belief.

6. He blindly follows tradition and believes that he is preserving the culture. I analyze every single part of the culture and accept only if it is logical and rational.

7. He claims that he rules according to people’s interest as Prachand claims. He claims that people are after him as Prachanda claims. However, I believe one can not declare such thing without voting.

8. I believe King Alexander of the Greek was the Great. However, it seems King Gyanendra believes that he is greater then Alexander. If not he would have trusted Alexander who said:

Always think your enemies are stronger than you!

If he had trusted Alexander he wouldn’t have underestimated his enemies.

9. Unlike him I believe Chanakya was a smart person. I trust Chanakya in politics who said:

If you already have an enemy, don’t make another one!

I wouldn’t have created enmity with servant like Seven Party leaders where as I already had highly reputed enemies, that is, Maoists.

10. Seven Party leaders were too smelly; however, country was not his private property to assume power. As people didn’t have right to change their unpopular prince, similarly King didn’t have right to change the leaders. Everybody had to know their boundaries and respect them. However, king crossed the boundary. If I were him I would have admitted my mistake.

11. If I were him I wouldn’t have declared my unpopular son as Prince in hurry.

12. If I were him, I wouldn’t have raised the royal expanse at the time when country was doing worst economically.

There is only one similarity between us. I heard he believe exercise is good for health and I am a strong believer if it :).

Thank you for your answer, Vishontar-ji!

"I have sympathy for the king because I believe he is in psychological agony. Compassion is a state of mind, it doesn't distinguish rich or poor, haves or have notes. The heart gets filled up for anyone who is suffering."

I think I understand. This thread is the outcome of the compassion, put in the words, you had for king when some people stoned him. However, my closed mind still can't conceive why that frustated hungry Nepali, who threw that stone to the rich King, don't deserve the same level of compassion.

Vishontarji..your last post was not quite you.It looks very childish.Sorry No offense as you are judging someone you don't even know and comparing and contrasting your character with him?how well, you know him ? either to compare or contrast.
You are very sentimental person judging by your writing.we do not need sentiment at this point of time.We just need to focus on one thing NO DICTATOR - NOT EVEN MAOIST.How can we keep united Nepal.Pushing one extreme force out of the picture.King need to make sure another extereme force do not come in picture.If we forgive and forget then Forgive and forget everyone , If not punish everyone.Fairness be Fair to all!!!

Hai guys

Iam not understanding that what type of discusstio r u doing ,no mater how is lking personally essential thing is that monarchy is unavoidableright now for the nation right now . WHY u don't think lets make our country like England ,Thailand , Spain etc. this is the best way to safelanding to everyone . Why these political parties got mad with simple statemenet of the king Who restate the parliament & they are distributing national funds representative of the people. Have u seen any secrifice from the political party to make a So called new Nepal . JUst think again who has done biggest sacrifice . Ofcourse king right .

IMI just pointed out the issue of fairness. Well, so many people are not even ready to accept the interpretation of laws by the highest court in Nepal I doubt if these people will ever understand the concept of fairness.

For example take the case Govinda Raj Joshi. First he as falsely accused of amassing money by illegal political influence and taking bribes etc. When the highest court in the land declared that those accusations were false, some people tried every possible ways to change the landmark decision made by the highest court in Nepal. When such actions failed to yield any results they declared him kinda "social outcast"

These people dont believe in fairness yet when they are adversely affected ..they do the big talks on fairness.

Vishontar-jee,

This may or may not be a good thing to bring it up here because what I am wanting to share is again not about politics but about the logic system you employ.

I actually have a few serious complains (objection if you like) of ACADEMIC nature regarding your writing. You might recall my objection to your casual use of the term "science" a long time ago. My other complains are along the same academic line.

But first, a minor but a totally deceptive logic you have just employed.

Let me quote you:

"Statistically good and bad are equally distributed among royalists as well as non-royalist."

Let me illustrate how deceptive your statement is by contrasting it with a sensible and correct question for the thing in dispute here.

The more correct question in my view would be:

With everything else being equal, who would be less aware and less in tune with the change Nepal is going through today ?

The answer does not matter. I mean you are most welcome say it would be a non-royalist. It's your view. I would respect that.

What I can not respect is that you are confusing your readers (and may be yourself too) by omitting two fundamental essentials here. One, the required condition "With everything else being equal" (because it makes no sense to compare, let's say, celibacy of one individual to the generosity of another individual) and, the second, that the difference at the fundamental level is awareness and the distinction of good/bad comes from one's willingness to acknowledge the level of awareness.

To put it in simpler terms, a royalist (of course the real one) of today is a person who is simply refusing to acknowledge that he/she is out of loop of today's reality of Nepal in comparison to a situation of a republican.

There is no point comparing other things. There is no point comparing apples and oranges. That simply will be a deception.

Now, if you don't mind, I would like to share my other goonasos (not related to this thread).

1. When you report something (like historical facts you have shared in many threads), you always and willingly mix up "objective facts" and "subjective thoughts", so nobody knows what is coming from other, hopefully reliable, source and what is coming from you own imagination. I believe you are in some academic field (or at least you are exposed to the academic norms/practices somehow). In that case, I fail to understand why don't practice simple practice of revealing the source of the facts you are reporting. When you are sharing your personal view, you must begin with saying "I think...". When you are sharing information you got from certain source, mention the source. If you really want to keep the source secret, fine, just say "It is reported...". But for God's sake don't keep your readers in darkness or let them get confused and, in cases where they are applicable, take your pure personal opinion to historical facts.

So, my humble request is, please do not mix the subjectivity with the objectivity in your otherwise pretty informative and thought-provoking writings.

I often like to cut the chase, so I did not write, otherwise you must know I have a tremendous respect for you and very keen interest in your views and writings. My respect and interest is what made me write this. I am sure you understand this.

This much this time.

Humbly yours,

Nepe

Vihsontar

good going
king is gone i think so people who want to resotre monarchy have slim chance. Your opinions are sending mixed messages. you should refrain from politics and stick to spirituality.

Slackdemic Ji, good question!

Your question has already been answered though! I can not promote uncivilization. Every thing has proper way to do. By hitting a broken radio you may be able to make it work but that doesn't work always because that is not a proper way of fixing it.

I believe in construction I don't believe in destruction. If you think it is civilization to abuse your enemy, to stone your enemy, then we are fundamentally different and there is no meaning to discuss about it. I strongly believe in civilization. Since we have opposite belief we will never be able to convince each other.

My first article is all about an aggressive culture crated by Maoists. I will always stand against this culture through out my life. Such type of culture is not for progress it is for regress. Even though there is almost nothing common between the King and me, I believe, he is being made more negative then he deserve. There are many people who had done great mistakes, they need to be punished too.

i agree with Nepe

May be the Maoists had thought about building the entire country from the scratch. It is very logical that n order to build something from the scratch the things that are already there needs to be completely demolished. I guess they had 'complete over-haul' of Nepal in their minds.

If this holds to be true..it will be 'out of the box' idea which are rarely brought forward by any polticians in Nepal.

For people who think the amount of people who is in favor of keeping Monarch is Nill!!!
If you can have fair election If their is support of King or not you will see.Just don't go with thousands of People carrying communist flag running around doing Nepal bandh.They are countable .We have population more than thousandk ..ok!!!!

Let me tell you this , King brought Maoist in Picture now Maoist is going to bring King in the picture.SPA are bunch of hijada hyenas...Remember!!!!!
they only know one thing - to pull legs .

We do not need sentimental .If you are in Neutral position ,Then think ..Why punish only one person when 90% of responsibility is of SPAM.As Kahobadi pointed - have they been able to punish Ghajedara and wagle????what are you talking about New Nepal???

I believe in construction too, vishontar jee. but i do not believe on maintaining all the time. i know maoist have taught us hatred and anger. but it will have a good lesson in the future. nepal is in the verge of bringing the old institution down that was rooted so deeply in the society long time back. this institution has created corrupt people otherwise Nobody born with a corrupt mind.
The lesson we should learn from maoists fear of law. and i agree everybody should be punished who have committed mistakes. At the moment nepal is trying to punish the institution that has stayed over the law for hundreds of years.
That's why king was stoned. People of nepal wants them to be governed by the law. In the days to come person like Girija, Prachanda, Sitaula as you mentioned will not be remembered as the hero like you said and they should not be, either.
But destruction is necessary in nepal to reconstruct rather than maintaining the corrupt institution.

In fact the Maoists have taught us a good lesson. The lesson being, the entire system of Nepal needs complete overhaul and they are indicating that in order to make a complete overhaul everything that is currently present should be demolished first including roads, bridges, schools, politicians, political system etc.

When roads, bridges, schools, politicians, army, police, political system etc are completely demolished new things can be built from the scratch.

"The lesson we should learn from maoists fear of law. and i agree everybody should be punished who have committed mistakes." -- what a joke ..hahaha.

Hahaha Nepe Dai,
Namaste!

Please specify the source/reference you want and if I am wrong, please don't hesitate to correct me. I don't make up things and if someone correct me I don't feel shame, i become happy instead.

I have to say something to you. I have been saying that I love you which means I do. I use hard words to you because I feel closer to you otherwise i would have ignored. You mentioned in your earlier post that they could be your arrogance thought; in case if you believe that i feel you are arrogance, let me tell you one plain truth without reference :), you are wrong . I am telling this because personally I feel closer to you ... there could be difference in thought....

I think you are mixing up terminologies. In your first posting I found you mixing up with Compassion and Indifference. I am talking about "compassion" which is love for those who are suffering. You were talking about "indifference", equal feeling for all. Those words are different because they express different state of mind.

I respect your arguments, they are quite logical and rational. However, when things comes to fundamental difference.... I don't argue with people.. ..Believe me it never happened with you....

Tomorrow if your republican idea helped Maoists to grasp power and reach to their final goal ie single party communist republic, people again will have to struggle to get democracy back (don't imply that I want to save Monarchy for this unseen fear). At that time if Prachand kills 21000 instead of 21 to leave power and people identify you ..... hey here is Nepe... Republican Nepe... and stone you... I will protect you the same way as I have been protecting the king. Right now you are in good condition so you might have many friends... at the time of suffering many friends leave... if it happens with you count on this unseen unknown friend.

If king Gyanendra would have found the pen to write history, I bet he would have done the same with Prachanda what Prachanda is doing with the King. At that time I would have stood back of Prachanda. I would have felt the same compassion for Prachanda as I have felt for the King.

You can not tolerate and I have tolerance as my strength; I guess this is our fundamental difference :).

Please specify two things. One what mixed message did you get form my posting and what reference do you want?

Bonus question to you:

What is science :)?

Democracy is a great system but it is a wrong system for Nepal. Nepal needs a system that has someone holding a deadly stick so people living there can get their act together.

nepal2us Ji, good point!

I am a dead supporter of change and revolution. I believe in constructive revolution, a revolution which suits 21st century. I am very glad today that everybody is being aware. Credit goes to Maoists as well because they shook that part of the country which was untouched since century.

I have always supported most of the Maoists agendas, however, I will never support their cruelty and aggression. What we achieved today could have achieved in short time with less damage as we got democracy relatively peacefully within a month. I will never support the culture they have developed. If you want to trust me ... it will take decades to remove aggression form the people's mind.... New generation has grown up with aggression. ... Maoists have given anger and aggression as a gift to the society. No society which has anger as a driving force can go to the right direction.

I will never support aggressive culture! Now we will have a new responsibility to bring the society out of this culture of anger. Lets do everything civilized way!

Stoning king is giving punishment to a defaulter personally. Is this law and order?