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| kewl | Posted
on 05-May-03 09:44 AM
So are we looking at the end of Shah Dynasty of Nepal..Girija seems to be all fired up to achieve this...and Nepalese are again behind another "Supreme Commander of Great Jana Andolan"..... good luck.. |
| bhenda2 | Posted
on 05-May-03 09:54 AM
ko Girija supreme commander?...if he had any sense...he would just keep quite and let things settle down for a while...aba pheri arko bandha suru huna lagyo....I am so sick of these stupid leaders...they all should go to hell.. |
| khimu | Posted
on 05-May-03 10:04 AM
i dono yaar but you know what i want jara lai rakhi rakhne, raja bhannu nai auta nepal ko mul khamba ho teskaran tara name chahi dine power chahi nadine kinaki we nepalies need power, rights you know what i mean just like british parlimentary they have queen but has no power you know we can,t live forever raja ko adikar ma we need better life better government that we had before, so got to throw it out king lai not from rajgadi bata tara power bata haina ta am i right j bhaye pani in my openion |
| khimu | Posted
on 05-May-03 10:09 AM
girija arka ko pet ma bachcha sirja i hate him chuche moro testo budho bhaye pachhi sochnu parthyo ni marnu bhanda pahile Aafno desh ko lagi k-hi ramro garera jau jhan ta kkkkkk ho kkkk testo old bhaye pachhi k ko lagi paisa chahiyo ra sabai paisa desh ko bikash ma lagai diye hunthyo ni will you do that Girija jee nepali lai ta ali dhukka hunchha ni sabai le tapaiko gun birsadainann sallahakar khimu |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 05-May-03 10:21 AM
its the end of girija's political career. |
| yoUnGbLooDZ | Posted
on 05-May-03 11:14 AM
well its end of all those people living in nepal..... just imagine NEPAL w/o KIng.. and all these political bastards taking over the power... wll fk emall.. n fk you all who wanna throw king away.. u can all s**k girija, makune,,,,,maoist's leadre's huge black wrinkled stinky dk............... thats why ya'll sucker deserve.. who beleive's in throwin the king.. (the above coments is for those who is UP fo throwing king away)ya dats wut u deserve yb |
| saroj | Posted
on 05-May-03 11:17 AM
Which mouse is going to put the bell on the cat's neck? |
| Deep | Posted
on 05-May-03 11:23 AM
neck mai kina? anta jhundyaunu hunna? Ani what if the cat has a ghanta [bell] aready hanging "jhule jhule laaal---masta kalandar"? |
| kewl | Posted
on 05-May-03 03:38 PM
Viewed 224 times and only 6-7 people replied...seems remaining people completely agree that this dynasty is nearing its end..... yoUnGbLooDZ , why cant we imagine Nepal without king..curious.. |
| bhedo | Posted
on 05-May-03 04:07 PM
I hope not....don't want Nepal to turn into another Afghanistan or Iran, know what I mean? What do these countries have in common? Ethnic diversity, correct? UK is a monarchy too, they seem to be doing aight with it...how about emulating this country, instead of contriving to depose Gyanendra? Nepal cannot afford to lose the king, because as we all know, he is the symbol of unity for every caste, creed, race, etc. We aren't a homogenous lot, and the religions that most of us follow do not have that brotherhood thingie that Muslims have. So basically speaking, we're in a big pile of guano if anything happens to the system we have developed. We should better it rather than start another revolution, which, in my humble opinion, will inevitably lead to chaos and maramar. Pfft, like the Maoists would rest in peace once the King is ousted. Don't be so credulous. Since when do commies believe in democracy? Just coz they say they do doesn't mean they really do. |
| Sadabichar | Posted
on 05-May-03 04:57 PM
When we look at the bigger picture, the so called big parties in Nepal seem so miniscule ones. There are many more actors playing various roles in the current Nepalese situation. See how US is now agreeing to a notion that it might drop the 'terrorism' label it have recently given to Maoists. See what India is saying about how the communists are making deals to uprise from Himalayan regions to Andhra Pradesh. India has always been influencing nepalese political arena. Right now India is going through rough times against Pakistan. And this is the moment Nepal can capitalize to solve the problems with little influence from India. Looks like the big parties really gonna be smaller.... All these parties who are now trying to uprise should be amlagamated and branded them as the Right Wing. Then RPP and Maoists shall be combined to form Left Wing. Then with these two parties establish democracy and elections in Nepal. |
| kewl | Posted
on 05-May-03 05:53 PM
bhedo ji, Appriciate your views. You took the examples of Afganistan and Iran. True they turned into mess after removal of Kingship. Why always see the negative and worst case scenario. We can bring examples of countries who did very well after becoming Republic... Anyway I dont believe Nepal needs Constitutional King like Birendra. He was more like a rubber stamp for the successive governments (his weakness or greatness..I dont know). I think this institution should utilize itself (and should!!) in a variety of different ways..May be not running day to day adminstration of the country, but by actively involving itself in social cause, environmental or other issues.....if the institution wants to survive .... AS far as removing and declaring republic, I dont see any harm to the country. How low can we hit from this point. We are already the poorest country, 8000 people have alredy died in civil war..and almost no growth in economy or even going down every day... So lets try this one too and see how will this experiment go.. |
| KaleKrishna | Posted
on 05-May-03 06:49 PM
Sorry guys, could not abstain from pouring my comments to add to yours thee.. Being an amature, still need some time to cope with the way of writing in the thread, hope you all will permit me little time. Regarding the end of Saha dynasty, It was once forcasted that with our late King the dynasty would come to end, but we now know end of a person does not mean end of dynasty. Hence we have a dynasty that is destined to be our identity for ever and any attempt to uproot it will only create tremors and turmoil in which the future of Nepalese identity will be crushed. A decade of experience have shown us how incapable we are to govern ourself (let us not only blame the leaders, because they are nothing without us). The trend of "ma, mero" have dominated everyone in the nation where sacrifice and selfless serivice to nation and people was the tradition. Now, finding ourselves in a situation where our combined voice and efforts will help shape the future of the country, we are still playing pwans to these political leaders. The student unrest, the ongoing agitation in the country are witness to either "far sighted" or "selfish" vision of those whom we rely to guide the nation through the turmoil. If individual frustrations is to be vented on destroying nation, if individual desire is to be filled at nation's cost that God only knows where we are heading towards. However, we must also realize that it is the society that is making the politicians corrupt. If corruption is to be uprooted and statesman born in Nepal, the time is to work and groom comming generation to it, as current generation and immediate following one does not promise any promising stars. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 05-May-03 09:21 PM
I wholeheartedly agree with Bhedo and Kale Krishna. Nepal needs MONARCHY. As behdo already pointed out, no King means Nepal turning into Iran, Afghanisthan and Ethiopia. We need the King because he is our last resort. Republicans in Nepal are, as one of my sajha friends told me "dream without sleping". They are really cut-off from the reality of Nepal: Nepal needs Monarchy for obvious and hidden reasons. antyama, Shri panch Maharajadhiraj Sarkar ko Jai Jai Jai, sarkar ko pauko ananya sewak aaba gaali garne jaaatttti gaali garey huncha.. |
| yOuNgBlOoDz | Posted
on 06-May-03 07:55 AM
bhedo.. thats exactly how i feel tooo... i mean there is no gurantee that the person who gonna rule next after king.. would be any good.. lookin at the past.. wut have our leaders really done to develop the country n help the people frm nepal.. all i have seen is.. brutalities, curroption, and pulling each others leg. .. they ain't even supportin each other.. forget bout supportin the opposition party in the crisis we have been thru.. they don't support their own party member.. if sumone tries to good .. when sumone wants to fight against maoists.. they held a conference.. n conclude that its not right.. makune once said.. army against the maoist..violates the human right.. what the heck does that mean?? didn't maoist voilated it.. rnt they the one who started killin innocent people.. .. after the king gyanendra took over.. i think he has done wut he was suppose to.. he fight agianst maoist.. order the officials of nepal to put behind the bars , forget the leaders rname.. oh ya.. sum wagle n few others.. now these leaders fear to take any money under the table.. wut else u need.. n wut can he do.. if the whole country is against him.. fo sumthing that i hope he hasn't done.. actually according the shruti's budha's interview.. he has notting to do with the crisis nepal suffered 2 yrs ago.. i have absorbed sumthing bout nepalese people.. alla them beleive in wut sumone says.. they don't know wut the reality is..most importantly they don't wanna know... how can ya even think of kickin the king out.. n let these bastard ruin ya future.. there is a light of hope with the king.. but without him.. all i see is darkness.. yb |
| yOuNgBlOoDz | Posted
on 06-May-03 07:57 AM
also the end of shah dynasty = the end of country NEPAL |
| kewl | Posted
on 06-May-03 09:21 AM
>>>the end of shah dynasty = the end of country NEPAL Really!!! Isnt king Birendra responsible too for whatever happened during the last 12 yrs....Instead of becoming a rubber stamp, he could have played constructive role. How was his rule (Panchyat) better than last 12 yrs. How is Gynendra's rule different from other political leaders..Country is facing more chaos and uncertaintities under his rule.. |
| rajunpl | Posted
on 06-May-03 10:54 AM
interesting. Shah dynasty can't be few-off just like that.well,we 've seen many type of government systems throughout hte world.Well,japan's constitutional monarchy has nothing wrong but.. may there something in nepal..? well, Shah dynasty has long tradition and they 've been on and off in the history.Like they 've been on with the BPism and off with the tyrannism (rana). hmmm..Nepal is now just like the france in the 18th century.It's very unpredectible situation here weather the people power will come forth or the monarchial power.we 'e in dilemma. The present conflict is between (a) raja (b) neta (c) maobadi The main important thing is about the GRAND DESIGN of the 2046 andolan.well, who know what next..? I am not going to blindly support any of those 3 pary of nepal.The ridiculous thing here is about where is the value of people..?It is people who make the country and we are the one who has right to say who is wright or wrong. The saddest thing abot the nepal is we never had the civil war and that's why we are in the long way back comparing other nation.Well, if we have to fight after 30 years rather do it today.In the question of the end of the shah dynasty,there are some issues that made the people think about the raja. "PANCHAYAT KO CHAHANA SHANTI RA SRIJANA".Off course there was a shanti but where was the srijana..?well there are few srijana after the restored democracy though there ain't shanti but look back to the history of the world that both things never came together.There was a srijana in the US in inter war years and in UK after the late cold war.Even in china there are srijana after the 90's though there is no peace. PANCHAYAT=CONSTITUTIONAL MONARCHY. BAHUDAL=PARLIAMENTARY MONARCHY. RANAKAL and MAHENDRAKAL=ABSOLUTE MONARCHY. MAOBADI=ANDHO COMMUNISM WHISH DOES BEST SUIT FOR NEPAL..?. Present instability in nepal is the hunger of development.In the development there may be the change of history.Which is the first and the primary importance of the nepalese citizen. |
| kewl | Posted
on 06-May-03 11:22 AM
RajuNpl wrote... PANCHAYAT=CONSTITUTIONAL MONARCHY. BAHUDAL=PARLIAMENTARY MONARCHY. RANAKAL and MAHENDRAKAL=ABSOLUTE MONARCHY. MAOBADI=ANDHO COMMUNISM I thought Panchayat was Absolute, Bahudal was constitutional and Rana was..Prisoner Monarchy.. Anyway RajuNpl you are absolutely wrong for saying Panchayat as constitutional and Ranakal as absolute... |
| orion | Posted
on 06-May-03 12:21 PM
I don't want to get into the Monarchy vs no-Monarchy debate as I think I have heard all the arguments from both sides and feel an objective analysis of the present situation on this forum is difficult if we let our political biases creep in to the analysis . I admit some of it is bound to creep in because we are coming to this forum with our minds made up on the issue but I hope we can rise above our biases and persuasions for the most part to evaluate the issue. When I look at the current situation, I think it could very well be the end of the Shah dynasty and probably of the Congress party as well. The key to the current crisis ironically is in the hands of the Maoists as the King has now lost the support of the main parties. If the King can the Maoists can patch up and get the peace process moving then perhaps the King can find new legitimacy for the Monarchy. But that is tricky, because unlike the main parties, the Maoists are strong republicans from the base up and it is unlikely that the Maoist leadership can and will compromise on the Monarchy issue without getting something substantive in return ( like a constituent assembly). Conceding to the demand for a constituent assembly could backfire as the constituent assembly could very well legitimize republican aspirations in Nepal. The Congress is in deep water too because it has surfaced again that party is at its core very uncomfortable with the Monarchy. One hand it risks loosing the support of moderate people, especially in rural areas, if it announces a totally republican platform but on the other hand it's leadership is so distrustful of the present King that the Congress simply cannot shut up and make peace with the current King without loosing its credibility among its voters. The Maoist have the ladoo in both their hands, at least in the short run and I expect they will capitalize on their advantages if and when they negotiate with the King. With the King and Congress on shaky grounds, the UML seems marginally better positioned than the Congress if it can keep its internal squabbles to a minimum. The bottom line is the communist parties are driving the agenda in Nepal today and the left, right and center of Nepali politics is shifting more and more to the left. Who will survive and who will not, in my opinion, will be increasingly decided by how people adjust to this shift in the balance of power. |
| rajunpl | Posted
on 06-May-03 12:36 PM
hmmm kewl. good point. lekhni bela ma recheck nagarni bani le satayo. PANCHAYAT=ABSOLUTE MONARCHY BAHUDAL=CONSTITUTIONAL MONARCHY RANAKAAL=ABSOLUTE ANARCHY KEWL,The construction took place in the birendra period had never been happened in the past history.Though mahendra come first in making of infrastructure for the development.The last 12 years were good for this: (a) That the more school/college/uni were built then ever before. (b) That the flow of nepalese citizens across the world happens mostly in this period. (c) That the human right group and activist been out in this period. (d) That the westernisation influence hit badly in nepal and that cause good affect in some aspect of social lifestyle. (e) That the people had more freedom in air,papers and various public related organisatins. (f) That the nepalese history had much time ruled by the elected representatives. (g) That the free trial and women right were moer transparent than ever before. |
| rajunpl | Posted
on 06-May-03 01:03 PM
was good point orion jyu,as well. like over the centuries there was a dispute between CATHOLIC/ORTHODOX/PROTESTANTS sane here in nepal the dispute is between the RAJA/SAMBHIDHAN SABHA KA DAL/MAOBADI.Like catholic and protestant werte fighting raja and maobadi do the same.Left is orthodox Greek othoodox=NE MA KI PA/JANAMORCHA roman orthodox=kangress russian orthodox=CPN UML All the orthodox style parties have the same goal though their rajnitik abhyas is same.i.e.. based on socialism.so the main things come when and what did they do best for the nation..?communist paties has lost the reputation by dividing if they are not agreeing each other.khutta tanni prabriti.which is common in every nepalese politics.kangressi has the major problem like only fighting for the kurchi, and shown their final complexion after dividing.the left ones also has the moreorless same characters. The real competition is between the king and the maobadi.One cannot easily undermine the maobadi strategy uncless the careless nepalese citizen attitude over maobadi saying "khattam saaleyharu".well real question and the problem is will the king's controll of power over the nation takes place that easy like what already happened..?. some oppertunist leader from RA PRA PA will off cousre follow the king but what about that giant maobadi and all party anti-demonstration of the king.Here king alone cannot handle the situation unless the people agree with him.Some major events like the killing of K BIRENDRTA has bad impression over KIng GYANENDRA. WELL, you never know what will be the next instance of the nepalese history. |
| kewl | Posted
on 06-May-03 01:16 PM
orion, Great analysis indeed. If you go through recent newspapers like bimarsha, Kantipur ..they have started writng editorial against the current monarch. Like it or not but these are the guys who will make a great influence on general public. Thats one reason I think Dynasty in danger... |
| mack | Posted
on 06-May-03 03:16 PM
Stupid Shah's ruled nepal for how many years? i dont know the exact numbers but....2/3/4 humndred years? what did they contribute to nepal during this period? Arent u guys tired of those people? I am ready for a change dont care whether its good or bad. |
| tick | Posted
on 06-May-03 03:28 PM
I support monarchy and denounce GPK and makune. The present problem of Nepal is not monarchy it is the corrputed, no-morale, visionless and uneducated leaders. Shree Panch Maharaja Dhiraj Ko Jai Jai Jai.. |
| bhedo | Posted
on 06-May-03 03:32 PM
Uh, so what, It's about preserving the tradition. Japan has monarchy, so does the United Kingdom. And Japan is an economic powerhouse. If anybody here thinks monarchy is an antediluvian system, care to explain why these countries have fared better than some third world shitholes like, say, India. Iran and Afghanistan were doing soo much better before they were ousted. Look at them now --a total mess. It's because there are so many goddamn ethnic groups in these countries, that without having someone to look up to( the king had fulfilled this role very perfectly) everyone is vying for power, and eventually a hardcore fundamentalist quran thumping mullahs took power. Now, Nepal might not be a muslim country, but it's certainly going to be retrogressive, if a a country that boasts 36 jats ousts the King. What's there not to understand? Name me one ethnically diverse country, save for America that is an economic powerhouse. I doubt there are any. UK used to be pretty powerful before World War II...it has and always will be a monarchy. It's just that we need Gyanendra as a symbol; we don't need him as a politician. That's all. |
| tick | Posted
on 06-May-03 03:32 PM
Mack, Change without a solution is bad. Change for the sake of change is worst. Nepal is our present and future how can you not care? If you do not care than I suggest you stay out of this discussion. A discussion without care is useless. |
| kewl | Posted
on 06-May-03 05:04 PM
As orion said, The Maoist have the ladoo in both their hands. It seems if anyone is going to take advantage from this situations, it is going to be Baburam group. Even if King survived this mess, Nepali King will be like British monarch with no powe at all. Either King should be active king or republic is better... |
| noname | Posted
on 06-May-03 05:38 PM
Not sure about Nepal, but there is one interesting piece about Monarchy in Iraq in IHT (WED MAY 7). "Although in sentiment and conscience I am a republican, as a political scientist I believe the interests of Iraqi stability and democracy - and indeed Iraq's very survival as a state - would be best served by the restoration of the monarchy. I have long held this view and still do. Why? . Under a constitutional monarchy, the army, police force, civil service and judiciary - the major pillars of power in civil society - would be linked to the crown and consequently placed outside the turbulent arena of political conflict. . Such a system is crucial for Iraq, where politics has ethnic, sectarian and fundamentalist roots and thus has a tendency to be violent. . I am sure that more than three-quarters of the problems of Iraq - and of America's problems in Iraq - would be automatically solved by the establishment of a constitutional monarchy. It is also fully compatible with the federal structure of government for Iraq. Furthermore, a monarchy would not be a novel thing for Iraq - it would indeed be a restoration. " Please find the whole article in: http://www.iht.com/articles/95400.html |
| kewl | Posted
on 07-May-03 08:06 AM
>>Under a constitutional monarchy, the army, police force, civil service and judiciary - >>the major pillars of power in civil society - would be linked to the crown and >>consequently placed outside the turbulent arena of political conflict. But this was not the case in Nepal. Instead everything got so corrupted. In theory it sounds great..constitutional king and symbol of unity..reality is constitutioal king is of no use to Nepal... |
| tick | Posted
on 07-May-03 12:18 PM
The biggest problem I see in Nepal is the corruption that has gone to the unprecedented levels after democracy came in place. I agree that corruption existed even before but not to the level that we have seen in the recent years. Once the corruption is under control Nepal will be a beautiful place to live. We also have to get rid of uneducated, unvisionary, no-morale leadership and get new elected leaders in place than Nepal will be a beautiful place to live. I believe king is trying just to do just that. I hail the king and denounce the parties for their latest move. |
| NepaliChica91 | Posted
on 07-May-03 12:30 PM
Nepal is chaos, and the king isn't there to help out! i'm serious, look at it from my idea. nepal is chaos and the maoists are torturing innocent people who shouldn't be killed and even if they want nepal to get freedom, it won't help! we don't know when things will ever change but i kno fa sure dat, it doesn't really seem like that there's a king in Nepal rite now and we need help from people! i just want to kno, when this crap will end? i want nepal to be safe and sound, and normal who doesn't? i don't think dat people want their homeland to be destroyed and horrible with dead people surronding the sidewalks!this is my opinion which i am intitled too! |
| tick | Posted
on 07-May-03 03:53 PM
NepaliChica91, Everyone wants peace. Peace can only be obtained when everyone works together, accept the differences and work towards finding solutions that plagues the nation. How can this be achieved? Not by turning our heads away but by standing firm and letting everyone know that peace cannot be compromised. There should be no pre-conditions for peace. Peace is a requirement, a necessity and the demand of the nation. >i just want to kno, when this crap will end? This crap will only end when people like you and me demand peace. I have seen a sticker that reads, "Freedom is not free. Heroes fight and bring freedom" it goes for peace as well. We need to standup for what we believe at the same time respect others opinion. |
| sema | Posted
on 07-May-03 04:36 PM
may be or may be not |
| KaleKrishna | Posted
on 07-May-03 06:53 PM
Tick, yes the biggest of all problem in Nepal is corruption. Before it was some elites now it is anyone and everyone who can at whatever level. There seems to be no end to this trend on the other hand an unseen competition going on as to who can emerge out as the most corrupt. Lookling deep within us, we realize that we all have our contribution to the fashion (in ways big and small; that Chitragupta may have encripted for us (unless he too is bribed to erase some of it)}, that has brought the country to this sorry state. Now, is the time to realize and mend our ways, and help others do the same. Talking about the monarchial and republican state, why don,t we realize that we Nepalese have a genetic tendency for change (frequent). This may be good in some ways but when it comes to the future of the country and countrymen, don't we realize to produce generation of statesman and patriotic citizens before we can assume that change will be beneficial. Otherwise let us all hope the shortcommings in the current system and trend is removed and every individual realizes that his role in destroying the country will hit the very generation, for whom the wealth may have been piled for. |
| tick | Posted
on 07-May-03 07:58 PM
KaleKrishna jyu, Couldn't agree more. |
| Satya | Posted
on 08-May-03 05:35 AM
It is still too early to sense the fate of KG. While I respect the views of Monarchists comrades I disagree with them. If stability is the only reason to support monarchy then jails should be better where there are seldom riots, strikes, murders and other social and political ills. Even the scale of corruption is very small. If we go back to the Rana rules then we find more stable Nepal than present day Nepal. Believing that king is the only savior of Nepalese people whoever is the king is not different from getting solace from worshipping a stone to fulfill a wish. Who can guarantee all kings are good and patriotic? What do you monarchist comrades expect from our future king Paras? Most of the countries in the world are Republics and most of them have done better after abolishing the monarchy. It is not only wrong but foolish idea that Nepal will have the same fate as some counties in chaos after they became Republics. Yes, we had nightmare in the past 12 years and we are responsible for the problems in general. But the kings are more responsible for our present situation than the politicians and the politicians are more responsible than the ordinary people. |
| kewl | Posted
on 08-May-03 08:26 AM
King Gyanendra desperate to get the leaders support. He has given interview to few journalist..but its too late..Pashupatinath le Raja ko kalyan garun aba.. |
| tick | Posted
on 08-May-03 08:29 AM
yeah... yeah... yeah.. Blame everything on king.. rheotic of GPK! As long as the parties fail to accept their responsibility and people fail to acknoledge their responsibility for selecting the "right" and "good" leader the parties mean nothing more than a beurocratic, power hungry, money hungry, corrupt, moraless, visionless thugs. People that support those party leaders are responsible for the current crisis. |
| tick | Posted
on 08-May-03 08:32 AM
King is trying to get the message accross, it is NOT desperation. |
| ruck | Posted
on 08-May-03 08:33 AM
Well Said Tick.. Well Said.... Cheers!!! |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 08-May-03 11:53 AM
Yes, the joint audinece to some of the prominent journalists such as Narayan Wagle and others was to get HIS messgae across. It wasn't a desperate move. Actually that was a brilliant move. tick nepla ma ho? |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 08-May-03 12:06 PM
satya, i disagree with you, if you allow me to. see, culture and tradition are also factors that determione the political systems. we tend to believe in hierarchy, so we need an authritarian governmnet or a benevolent dictator. anyways, its quite late to be up in ktm.. will follow up on this tomorrow. |
| tick | Posted
on 08-May-03 12:43 PM
Isolated Freak jyu, I am not in Nepal. Not yet! I wish I was. I miss Nepal dearly.. sigh.. |
| kukur85 | Posted
on 08-May-03 02:53 PM
It is so good , so good, so good to know that thosefocked up leaders in Khula Mancha did not get any public support other than their own cham-chaas. Sojha Sajha jantas are wise enough. They/we cannot be fooled by same story again. |
| kukur85 | Posted
on 08-May-03 02:59 PM
I disagree with Satya. Present leaders have thrown the country 50-100 yrs back. Thou I am not a big fan of Pache, it was far better than present situation. I am not a big believer in process or institution. All I need is security, peace, respect and prosperity. If any leader can give me that, my hats off to that person. I know majority of the Nepali or nepalese feel the same way. Fock those who believe only in theory. |
| kalekrishna | Posted
on 08-May-03 06:10 PM
Well, Satya is right in his own point. I guess it is not only peace and stability that is being expected. At the moment this is the most sought for because we failed to realize what it meant when we were heading for declaring ourselves as citizens of peace Zone "Shanti Chetra". However, the credibility of the king is increasing because of our frequent desire to see change and failure to percieve it in last decade. Regarding the role of king, he rightly said that he will play the role of an umpire, shall we deprive him of that. His commitment for nation can be no better reflected than this naration by someone from Diyalo Bangala (Devghat): Looking towards Hridendra, speaking to Paras, he is said to have boldly stated that there is much to sacrifice to be a King, and does who can't may not rule. Please don't take it as very authentic, I believed in it because the source was from someone who was in a responsible position in DB, may be he got it from NarayanhitiD or where ever. The next thing is the present King has time and again shown that he is ready to sacrifice his peersonel interest for the nation. Otherwise look at his streatching hand everytime for the political leaders, it is they who are afraid and run away from him crying foul. Otherthing with comming of Hridendriya, he is sure that if the immediate crown prince fails he has a back up for the lineage. Regarding CP Paras, well no body can be better person that that who have reached the peak of all atrocities, fun pleasure and then decends to be a perfect one. Let us hope, after all Valmiki and other many examples shows us changes are possible and from strong negative comes strong positive. However, we should not think monarchy or no monarchy is the solution for the nation at the moment. The need is to preserve whatever resources we have for our future generation, so that they won't find it hard to rebuild the nation, once they reliaze their responsibility. This generation of Nepalese thinks it as too much of trouble to contribute to nation's developement, so let us hope everyone; The king, leaders, common peoples leave something (identity, nation, ethnic diversity, resources,) for some responsible generations in distant future to rebuild the Nepal we only talk about (not even dream-far from working towards it). |
| Padme | Posted
on 09-May-03 11:14 AM
KK jyu, I agree with you most of it and totally disagree with Satya. Satya seems to be indulging himself in the NC vision of Nepal, which we have seen it for twelve years and even before that. As long as party is primary, leadership and people secondary Nepali democracy is destined to fail. I hope that the NC leaders and other leaders will realize that they are to work by the people, to the people and for the people and NOT for themselves, democracy the way it is, will not succeed. I strongly believe that a joint governance of the party after getting rid of the current corrupt netas Nepal will be a better place. Current corrupt netas are to be blamed for the crisis and the people who support them. These netas put their personal interest before the interest of the people and the nation; they strongly believe that they can "buy" support once they have enough "cash". Once cash becomes the primary focus of politics, it is not politics it becomes blood bath, like the ones we have seen. No more of this non-sense. All we want is peace and corruption free society, which can only be achieved if everyone works together. Political parties have a very significant role to play for the development of the nation, IF they realize their role and responsibility; the people that support these corrupt politicians also need to be more critical of "their" Netas and not bow on their shoes!! |
| Satya | Posted
on 09-May-03 10:32 PM
My dear Comrades who do not agree with my Republican view, Yes, you want peace and prosperity as I do. You believe that king is godsend for present situation, which is my ex-view. NC was for constitutional monarchy and only now they have realized that our king cannot be like monarchs in western world. That is after they were stabbed at the back by the king for their role on looting the country. We blame the politicians for present situation in Nepal. But, monarchist comrades, I disagree with you on how much blame the politicians deserve. I dont believe we had genuine democracy in the past 12 years. The king was above the constitution, above the law and he was happy to be incarnation of Vishnu. He had held all power behind the scene. He was constitutional monarch on paper but an absolute ruler in reality. The politicians were busy with raping the country, which promoted the Maoist cause. But, the king as the supreme god leader, should be the one who should be held responsible for. If something goes wrong in your office you cannot blame the peon, khardar, bahidar, hawaldar&. If the politicians are inept we have 50% chance in present situation to throw them away down the holy Bagmati, but no way for the king. With the improved situation (educational, economical..) we will have almost 100% chance to kill those bastards. But what about the king? An inept king is always in heaven despite his sins while the ordinary janatas are in hell. |
| x2beta | Posted
on 09-May-03 11:32 PM
well said satya. i totally agree with you. we have the right (at least in theory) to throw out the politicians, but not the king. it's a much publicized story of paras running over a local singer, what happened? and he wasn't even the crown prince then. everybody wants to save his/her ass including the king. king sacrificing personal interest for the country? think about it, it's all about his ass and his heir's ass (that goes to all politicians including the maobadis). paras is totally another story. it's your wishful thinking (kalekrishna) that paras will turn out to be good (like valmiki or whoever). probably you too know that it may not happen. look at his recent track record. |
| tick | Posted
on 10-May-03 07:16 AM
This is where you go wrong Mr. Satya. Very wrong. >The king has been supreme leader for the last 12 years DOn't make me laugh.. It's hard for me not to laugh on this statement.. >I dont believe we had genuine democracy in the past 12 years. Oh yeah?? Then you are ligving in a la la land. >He was constitutional monarch on paper but an absolute ruler in reality. Baselesee argument. Not even a rikshapuller in Jumla will believe that, if there are any rikshapuller in Jumla. >But, the king as the supreme god leader, should be the one who should be held responsible for Again, why are you trying to save the corrupted leaders ass is beyond my imagination?? >If something goes wrong in your office you cannot blame the peon, khardar, bahidar, hawaldar&. So all the leaders are peons?? and the king is to blame.. what a joke.. >But what about the king?An inept king is always in heaven despite his sins while the ordinary janatas are in hell Again blame the king for everything for what he is trying to do and has done. All I have to say to your netas is go to H*LL, you can join them if you like.. :-) No offence intended. |
| tick | Posted
on 10-May-03 07:38 AM
Satya ji, I am not a comrade and do not like to be addressed that way.. I am a concerned citizen, far from being a politician. >You believe that king is godsend for present situation.. Please speak for yourself, I did not know you were a mind reader that could read minds of people located on different time-zones?? :-) |
| kewl | Posted
on 10-May-03 08:43 AM
Whatever we write here supporting our King really does not matter. There are people in ktm who rally behind Girije, Makune and other chors to support their "Andolan". They go out in streets, participate in each and every rally organised by NC, UML..and they blindly support whatever these leaders say. We are discussing here..who is listening to our views... |
| tick | Posted
on 10-May-03 10:30 AM
Kewl, Even tough I am away from home my heart is always there. All I am doing is expressing my views and my beliefs. There will be people who will support the thug netas and there are people that oppose them. Hopefully, out of opposition, people will be aware; new leadership will emerge and we will see better Nepal. I have had my views written in several newspapers, which was expressed during casual conversation with other Nepali people. They do not acknowledge the source and present it as their own idea, which is really sad but at least people listen. It might be on a small scale, or to a person but if you make your views clear there are people that listen. Isn't that a way to make a positive change in the society? |
| KaleKrishna | Posted
on 10-May-03 06:57 PM
The begining of reconsilation starts here. Democracy lies in realizing what others say and expressing what one has to say. In context to Nepal, it was only one way Netas-people, no other way. In this context what we fail to realize is that nobody is perfect and free from selfish intention, it is just a matter of degree. Talk of political leaders, they are visionless, they may lack followers but will you be honest enough to say that these following is for the nation's cause. Nay, these followers are for proving that they are there so that when time comes (I mean when in power) they can use this card to leverage personel gains. It is no point blaming the laeders only, because when following is achieved by giving something back in return (in this case comes, natabad, kirpabad), then they won't prefer to go against the sail. I have seen some (atleast I thought they were) honest, and visionfull netas, once becoming Sansad totaly deviated from the cause and his vision. I guess we all have employed the ashirbad of these political netas in one way or the other, then there was no sense of guilt. This same thing is going around, and unless this very root of how individuals gains at the cost of mass and nation, where genuine candidate gets sidelined by political leaverage. There will be no democracy and the struggle between haves and have nots will never cease to end. |
| kewl | Posted
on 12-May-03 06:42 AM
Is public opinion behind King G ? Since I'm not in Nepal and only source of getting news is reading online newspapers, it seems King is loosing this battle with political partys. |
| tick | Posted
on 12-May-03 09:14 AM
I am not in Nepal either but I am in touch with many people in Nepal. My understanding is that KG has lot of support from people. The people that are protesting some are the hard-core party followers and some are bought. People know how corrupt these netas are. The only hope for peace lies with the king. He has lot of support. |
| raj79 | Posted
on 12-May-03 08:13 PM
How could you blame only the political parties that they are corrupt? What about the current Prime Minister chosen by the King himself? Do you think he is honest? Do you know how much is his salary as PM and you thing thats enough for his living. If the PM and ministers will given as much expenses as King and his family get per, I assure you that no minister will be corrupted. So better think deeply next time while giving your opinion. |
| tick | Posted
on 12-May-03 08:19 PM
Raj, If the whole world is corrupt than the solution would be easy. We need to go back to barter system, cut off all communication, live off land everyone will be happy. :-) (you know I am kidding, right?) How much money someone makes is not a justification for corruption. Corruption is in the value system of the society until that is changed, nothing will change. It is not hard to change the social value system, just need stronger law enforcement. |