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| maximum20 | Posted
on 08-May-03 10:27 AM
Everywhere in this site, I see us being referred to as "Nepalese" as opposed to "Nepali". Many of you might not think it's a big deal but personally, I correct people when they call me Nepalese. It's the same sentiment that made the Indians change the name "Bombay" back to "Mumbai". I know this is not the biggest problem in the world but I just wanted to point out what I think is an issue we apparently overlooked. I, for one, would love to be called a Nepali. |
| DWI | Posted
on 08-May-03 10:46 AM
Interesting. I think rather than analyzing what is right & what is wrong, it's more how you use it. Don't we call a Japanese a Japani or a Bhutani a Bhutanese (precedence intended). I guess I'd also be liked to call a Nepali, there is more 'nepalitwa' in it. |
| Dr. No | Posted
on 08-May-03 01:41 PM
I, for one, have seen the word Nepalese used to connote or modifies things associated with the nation-state and Nepali for person and people. i.e., Royal Nepalese Embassy & Nepali people are known for their hospitality. |
| Dr. No | Posted
on 08-May-03 01:42 PM
modify instead of modifies.....sorry |
| Hellbound | Posted
on 08-May-03 01:47 PM
Good topics. I usually call myself "Nepali". I think Nepali is the correct word. |
| Arnico | Posted
on 08-May-03 02:24 PM
Well, Nepali is the adjective in our language standing for "of Nepal"... that is why we call ourselves Nepali people, and our language the Nepali language. My guess is that the word "Nepalese" was invented by the British when they were our southern neighors... and we referred to them as the "Angrej". I agree that the word "Nepali" sounds more palatable... but if we expect others to refer to us as Nepali, and to refer to our language as Nepali, then we should also be prepared to refer to people of Great Britain as "English" instead of "Angrej", and their language as "English" instead of "Angreji" even when we are speaking to eachother in Nepali... hoina ta? |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 08-May-03 04:28 PM
In some dictionaries: Nepali and Nepalese can be found to have two meaning. I can not remember exactly the name of the dictionary, but, they define as follows . Nepalese : exclusively citizen of Nepal. Nepali: includes Nepali living in Asam, Darjeeling and Deharadun. In very short note: Peoples who had origin in Nepal (in recent world: not go beyond few 100years. If you go very far, we are all africans, and beyond that we seems to be aliens in earth). If I can recall it from my faded memory, there was a discussion in TND/SCN long time back, may be in 1993/1994 about this issue. Pratyush Onta, Mishra and Ashutosh Tiwari have made a lot of discussions. I am sure Ashu will shade more on what we talked in TND/SCN long time back. HG |
| noname | Posted
on 08-May-03 05:33 PM
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| ashu | Posted
on 08-May-03 05:52 PM
Hahoo-ji, Here's the logic (piggy-backing on Arnico's posting above with some heavyduty help from Zip Code 02138-bound Steven Pinker's "The Language Instinct" ka theories .] Gorkha --> Gorkhali and NOT Gorkhalese Palpa --> Palpali and NOT Palpalese Dang--> Dangali and NOT Dangalese Jhapa--> Jhapali and NOT Jhapalese Pokhara--> Pokhareli and NOT Pokharalese Therefore: Nepali --> Nepali and NOT Nepalese. *********** That said, since Nepali language is 'dynamic', absorbing influences from other cultures and historical events, I have come to accept that, for our purposes, BOTH Nepali and Nepalese are correct. Whether you like Nepali or Nepalese is a matter of your preference and taste. Personally, I prefer Nepali because it's shorter to type.:-) oohi "a Nepali" ashu ktm,nepal |
| rook | Posted
on 08-May-03 06:35 PM
Many nations have an organization responsible for the correct use of the language. The British have the Oxford Dictionary, the Americans have the Webster Dictionary, The Spaniards have the Royal Acadamy of Spanish. The French have the Alianza Francais and their arrogance. These organizations determine the correct use of their respective languages. Nepal has no such organization that I know of to define for the people and the rest of the world what is the correct and standard usage of the Nepali language. Lacking such authority, it is for the people to decide. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 08-May-03 06:51 PM
I prefer NEPALI to Nepalese. |
| maximum20 | Posted
on 08-May-03 06:57 PM
There seems to be a consensus that we choose being designated as Nepali over Nepalese. I wonder how many of us actually take the time to correct every person that calls us nepalese. |
| bhedo | Posted
on 08-May-03 07:12 PM
Well, a guy from Iran might call himself an Irani (just hypothetically, lest this is false), but in English, he will be an Iranian. So, what you refer to yourself in your language might not be what you refer to yourself in English. I think Germans call themselves deutsche or something in their native tongue. Regarding Nepali vs Nepalese, however, they are interchangeable, according to my dictionary. It doesn't matter. |
| noname | Posted
on 08-May-03 07:15 PM
rook: The French have the Alianza Francais and their arrogance. :D Funny....made my day ! |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 08-May-03 08:00 PM
Roork, Don't worry bro. we will soon have GyaNeX Nepali Typing Software named: GyaNeX UniqWare® Then, we can create online Nepali dictionary in Unicode. Thousands of Nepali who are hooked to internet can add the words and meaning. The software is in internal test phase. Then, we can write Nepali in नेपाली Ashu, I agree with you. "Nepali" is easier to use. I am thinking of banning "Nepalese" word in my software and replacing it by Nepali: exclusively. J hola hola re kya. hg |
| maximum20 | Posted
on 08-May-03 08:42 PM
>>ell, a guy from Iran might call himself an Irani (just hypothetically, lest this is false), but in English, he will be an Iranian. The japanese are called japanese but the people from Holland are not called Hollandians or whatever. THey probably insisted to be called Dutch and thus everyone accepted it. I agree that the nepali language has seen many foreign words creeping into its vernacular but what we are designated as should be based on our own choice. I think a site that was mindful enough to name itself "sajha" and not "nepalese communities" (i'm hoping the choice was not just for sake of brevity) should resort to using nepali instead of nepalese. |
| Biruwa | Posted
on 08-May-03 09:01 PM
Finally................. :-) We r nepali people. Yes we are nepali. |
| south | Posted
on 08-May-03 09:43 PM
it is nepali not nepalese. |
| San | Posted
on 08-May-03 10:59 PM
Just wanted to point to a discussion on the same topic about two years ago: |
| acharya | Posted
on 08-May-03 11:16 PM
Okay..so everyone wants to use "Nepali". So use it damn it!! Where is this thread heading to? Stop wasting your precious time arguing how you would prefer being called a Nepali over a Nepalese!! No one gives a damn about it. Why can't we be more bothered about something that is more important to us at present..? Sorry folks, I just thought this discussion was heading nowhere ..! |
| noname | Posted
on 08-May-03 11:39 PM
Haina, tyo archive ko ulto sulto kata ho? Suru ko thread khai? Is that abridged version? |
| Bhinaju | Posted
on 09-May-03 12:24 AM
Haina, Nepali byakaran anusaar, Nepal+I=Nepali, arthaat, "Nepal" ma "ii" prataya lagera Nepali hunchha. English ma "Nepal" ma "ese" prataya lagayera Nepalese hunchha. Aba kura ayo, Nepal pahila janmyo ki Nepali? Tyo ta kukhura pahila janmyo ki anda bhane jasto kura ho. Ata:: Nepali bhaneni Nepalese bhaneni yasma bibad garnuparne kehi pani chhaina. |
| khimu | Posted
on 09-May-03 07:12 AM
Hey Bhinaju i think pahila Nepali janme ani nepal ko janma bhayo . We Nepaliese (Nepali) created Nepal. We are Nepali We are Nepaliese i think "We are Nepali" is correct Nepali is correct hai like everybody said i,ll give my vote Nepali lai shree maan gambhira nepali prachanda pratapi bhupati shree panch(5) maharajdhiraj ko sada rahun unnati shree maan gambhira nepali |