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| Sadabichar | Posted
on 19-May-03 05:38 PM
Wow, things are really turning out dramatic in Nepal these days... Chanakya Chaturya is what's being played by all participants who are vying for power. Sometimes, don't you think it's little bit hard to play games in front of nepalese population while the majority is uneducated and unaware about the world? i) Long time back JICP had started it's works, and these are the same parties that approved the commission to be formed and approved. ii) If JICP has recommended to take actions against the culprits, it must be done so. Ironically, these are the parties who never took any actions in the similar cases in their 12 year rule. Boomerange was not thrown properly those days, and thus it didn't hit any targets. Well, everybody knows the consequences thenafter, the boomerang is coming back to themselves. This is the game of Boomerang. iii) The one reason of initiating the current protests by the opposition parties could be the fear of these top brass leaders being prosecuted. The question could has been thus raised: Is it that after getting hint that CIAA gonna come after them, they hurriedly launched the protests OR whether the CIAA started this actions with polical motivation? Anyways, the netas would surely love to go to jail while movement is underway rather than being branded as "corrupt leaders". iv) Otherwise, why after almost 7 months only these netas lauched protests blaming the king's move unconstitutional. However, it's still controversial if the Oct 4 move by the king is an unconstitutional one. vi) These are the very same parties which didn't utter a single word when the CIAA went after 20 highly correpted karmacharis. vii) Interestingly, as soon as Girija Pd. Koirala (GPK) received summons from CIAA, Madhav Kumar Nepal (MKN) calls the CIAA move a conspiracy. Can MKN publicly give statement saying that GPK never amassed wealth during his tenure? viii) It's the same MKN's party, CPN-UML, which proclaimed the top-ten list of corrupts in the country that included GPK. ix) It's the same CPN-UML which lauched numerous street protests demanding the prosecution of GPK by putting him in the jail for Lauda Kanda. x) And, is it not this Nepali Congress, which made lots of noise at the house blaming the ministers of MKN who took bribes in the Chase (?) Air Kanda? BOTTOM-LINE is: These leaders must face CIAA, and prove themselves clean. Then only they can raise their heads in front of Nepalese people's eyes. |
| Taxing_Under_Influence | Posted
on 19-May-03 08:25 PM
Sadabichar Ji, Before bashing the politicians why don't you ask your King to lead us by example by declaring his property, his foreign accounts and his income. Hey!! the point is this "Brother Killer" is going after all these politicians because they had the courage to declared what they have. If he has the courge why don't he declare his property so that we can scruitnize what he has and probe how he ammased it. If he comes clean I will be more than happy to call him "my king" (even though he is a brothe killer), will even accept absolute monarcy (his dream) and will celebrate his birthday for 365 days. If not than he does not have the moral ground to go after any one including these politicians. Believe me this is my sadbichar not a Sad-Bichar. (Disclaimer: I am not a member of any political parties/movement. GBBS, GPK, MKN, LBC, SBT, SBD and their associates should be punished for their crimes ( scattering beleif of Nepalese people and corruption) and firmly believe on peoples sovereign right and rule of law.) Jai Nepal, Jai Nepali, Jai Tax!! |
| Bhinaju | Posted
on 19-May-03 09:03 PM
Taxing Under Influence Jee, Timi kangreska chhora hau. Bhrastachaarko paisale bideshma paddhai chhau. Because, You say "Brother Killer" to the king, did you see it? |
| jaya_nepal | Posted
on 19-May-03 09:12 PM
GBBS was a businessman prior beocming the King. Apart from that, he inherited property from former Kings - Birendra, Dhirendra, Mahendra, Tribhuvan and so on. How come GPK, MaKuNe, and others gained so much only after the revolution of 1992 - or becoming government officers. They did not inherit so much from their ancestors nor from their children. So, where did the wealth come from..?? |
| lonely | Posted
on 19-May-03 09:20 PM
bhinaju, may be you are talking about yourself.... I agree with what taxing_under_influence...not that he is a brother caller, but should make his property public, and how and where he earned all the illegral wealth he generated....he is not clean either....any doubts.. bhinaju, when you were charging others of falna ko chora and brastachar ko paisa le padya re..maybe that might be you..who knows??? what do you have to say to this??? |
| Taxing_Under_Influence | Posted
on 19-May-03 09:21 PM
If you are a Nepali (hindu) you must have heard of Bibhisana (Ravana's brother) this GBBS is "Kaliyoga ko Bibhisana". Both killed their brothers for the thrown (I don't know which of them had a valid reason). Hey!! take it easy bro, I beleive in right of decent also, so you have every right to decent with me. (By the way if I am not wrong GBBS killed his B-in-Law also. You must be his ghost or one of GBBS' chamcha.) Again, just take it easy!! Jai Nepal, Jai Nepali, Jai Tax!! |
| Taxing_Under_Influence | Posted
on 19-May-03 09:40 PM
My message (# 6in this thread) is supposed to be for Jaya_Nepal. |
| Sadabichar | Posted
on 19-May-03 09:54 PM
This is the time to bash the politicians... bad politicians.... We will take care of the King later... he will not run into Forest as the Maoists did or the other parties might do. He will be still there in Naranhiti..... If you have a thorn stuck in your foot, we need another thorn to remove it. Then once the thorn is removed, both will be useless. So let's use the One Bad side to remove other, then let's make sure people of nepal take care of everything. Unfortunately, we have no one who can take this feat. If you guys think that these present parties can still lead the country to properity, that's your only daydream. |
| Sadabichar | Posted
on 19-May-03 10:03 PM
And remember this my dear Taxing_Under_Influence, Like it or not, it's more your King than mine !!! I sympathize you !!! |
| Taxing_Under_Influence | Posted
on 19-May-03 10:09 PM
Thanks for the sympathy dear Sad-bichar, that's yours and my misfortune!! Let's sing together: Nepala Aama Kahin Cha Ghama Kahin Cha Chhaya Ho, Parantu sara sansara mathi yahi cha naaama ho!!! Jai Nepal, Jai Nepali Jai Tax!! |
| Sadabichar | Posted
on 19-May-03 10:13 PM
See now you are straightening up!! Bravo. |
| Bhinaju | Posted
on 19-May-03 10:58 PM
All the congressis who support Girija blindly in this thread should be killed and shown to the street. This is the best only way to lower corruption in Nepal. Bhrastachar gareko paisale padheko ani sadheko Moraharu |
| jhilke kyailan | Posted
on 20-May-03 12:32 AM
" These leaders must face CIAA, and prove themselves clean. Then only they can raise their heads in front of Nepalese people's eyes." One question, does the king and other members of the royal clique also have to prove themselves (or is looting in the past not a crime). |
| jhilke kyailan | Posted
on 20-May-03 12:36 AM
"All the congressis who support Girija blindly in this thread should be killed and shown to the street." Typical comment from a royal supporter....if they don't believe what I believe...KILL THEM....man when are these people ever going to learn. |
| Bhinaju | Posted
on 20-May-03 03:28 AM
Bhrashtachar bawule kamaidiyeko paisale padhera US ayera Amerikako chhala odhne bwansaharu matra CIAA ko chunaitipauna kadamko birodh garchhan. Bwanso is bwanso whatever its covered by, It can never be a tiger. CIAA go go !! |
| makar | Posted
on 20-May-03 04:21 AM
yo moro daimara ko Bhinaju ta hudai ho, sangai Habre ko bhitreni patti ko chhoro samet paryo jasto chha. |
| Taxing_Under_Influence | Posted
on 20-May-03 07:21 AM
Sad-Bichar Ji, I accept your sympathy (not that I needed it). However, just because someones father happned to be a King doesn't mean that the son (wheather deserving or undeserving) also be a King. To qualify as a King you have to do at least one good deed for the people, and this one has done none. I would rather have Mahesh Bhyante as my King, at least he let us swim in Dasarath Stadium pool for free. MAHESH BHYANTE FOR KING!!!!! |
| playa_from_himalaya | Posted
on 20-May-03 07:43 AM
Mahesh dai get my vote too |
| playa_from_himalaya | Posted
on 20-May-03 07:44 AM
e-vote, that is |
| sadabichar | Posted
on 20-May-03 09:10 AM
Thanks for showing your real face, Taxing_Under_Influence. Your habit of getting free stuff all the time is what obstructing you from thinking clearly and objectively. Tell me what are the free stuff that you managed to extract after contributing to the JanAndolan I? |
| Bhinaju | Posted
on 20-May-03 06:15 PM
Taxing_Under_Influence. Jee Maile sandhai khaini khayera pichcha pichcha dukhne garchhu. Tyo thuk free ma diunla. Aba ma timro manako Raja bhaina ta? |
| pipaldanda | Posted
on 20-May-03 07:53 PM
All these thug politicians must be hanged! They are the one who are "desh mara than dai mara". Deshmaras have been proven in the last 12 years. They are the one Banarashi trained deshmara. Just listen to their sweet tongue. Before jan andolan their eyes looked like "hungry eyes" . For their fake halo slogans many nepalese sacrificed their dear and near ones. Now they became "chillo" hrista -pusta and bhun-de wala" and they have pajados! and they talk about grand design all the time. Now is the to show them super-grand design. Thanks Mr. Sadabichar for bringing this thread to bring the ku -karya of GPK,MKN and his dog followers. May God save Nepal from ku-karya of once a terrorist hijacker trun into a politician. |
| Sadabichar | Posted
on 20-May-03 07:55 PM
Looks like Taxing_under_Influence is trying to get rent free too.. he is already deliberating in another thread posted by dixson77. He likes free stuff.... |
| Jhilke Kyailan | Posted
on 21-May-03 08:33 AM
Why has everyone targetted only the corruption after 1990......was there not corruption before?????? That is my questionl. Like most of you, I feel so frustrated with the current batch of politicians that I might do something so crazy like ...like......say something about it..Every single one of them has to be accountable for the state they have left our country in...... but for the life of me, please don't just stop there......there was corruption in a grand scale before the 90 revolution. Infact guess who was characterised as the father of institutional corruption in Nepal. (Might surprise some of you) Only difference was it such an opaque system that we have very little idea of who the real culprits were......How could certain CDO's and Anchaladishs and police chiefs and army generals and GMs and etc...become so rich in the course of the 30 years of the panchayat rule. Today they are known as people with money so we say nothing seeing them in a fancy car, but they too had very little when they first started their careers. If the CIAA were really doing the job that they are supposd to why doesn't it go after EVERYONE.......even the influential ones with the four letter last names. |
| Jhilke Kyailan | Posted
on 21-May-03 08:41 AM
Infact to give the corruption of the 90's a positive spin one can see it in the following manner: Before 1990 the circle of people involved in systematically looting the state were confined to a very few (usually part of the KTM elite with a few outsiders). Today the circle of people involved in corruption (a proxy for access to power and money) has become a lot bigger and involves alot of people outside of the traditional KTM circles. Thus, although the corruption today itself is destructive and I don't condone it any way shape or form, it represents a certain dissapation of power from the center (KTM) and a more equitable (in of course a very perverse way) distribution of resourses, than in the panchayat era. So if one can warpo there minds far enough, the corruption today is a good thing. |
| Jhilke Kyailan | Posted
on 21-May-03 08:43 AM
"...warp their..." |
| Sadabichar | Posted
on 21-May-03 08:49 AM
Oh yeah, there were corruptions before 1990 for sure. But unfortunately the leaders/law makers who ruled after 1990 for next 12 years could not do anything about those old culprits (or, are they the culprits? Coz they were never punished by NC, UML, and others). Now the Boomerang Effect. These are the same people from pre-1990 who are in power right now, and trying to punish the post 1990 lawmakers. How can you expect the pre-1990 culprits being questioned by CIAA at this juncture? Don't worry. I don't think any thing will happen with the CIAA moves, it could just be to quash the rising unpopular movements by the opposition parties which could not amass the people's support. See how CPN-UML's Madhav Nepal is now talking about CIAA. He is not criticizing it at all now.. coz he is dreaming of ray of hope to be PM again. |
| Sadabichar | Posted
on 23-May-03 10:47 PM
http://www.yomari.com/p-review/2003/05/22052003/pr.html Corrupt, cunning and superman Koirala? BY P.R. PRADHAN Political leaders demonstrated their arrogance once more when expressing their surprise at being investigated by the Commission for Investigation of Abuse of Authority for failing to reveal the source of their property. They are facing a jail sentence should they be found guilty. The Judiciary Commission for Property Investigation gave its report including a list of leaders who had failed to fill in the form to the King. The Commission also gave names of those individuals who were unable to disclose the source of their property. INTENTIONAL? Political leaders have accused the CIAA and the Palace of carrying out a clandestine surveillance operation on the leaders of the anti-establishment movement - including Girija Prasad Koirala. Koirala is refusing to present himself to the CIAA and has filed a suit at the Supreme Court challenging the jurisdiction and motives of the CIAA. He says this is a direct attempt to undermine the movement. The Maoist leaders are also claiming that now is the wrong time to open the investigation into the movement. Krishna Bahadur Mahara, a member of the Government-Maoist talk team has also questioned the CIAA's motives. But the question still remains, - should we forgive thieves and murderers if they also join the movement? The CIAA is right in demanding verification of property sources. If the politicians are corrupt free - what do they have to hide? The general public feel that those found guilty should not be let off the hook under any circumstance. This is the time to boost the morale of the CIAA rather than creating barriers to finding the truth. We must not forget that the CIAA is an independent constitutional body and has rights to investigate any abuses of authority by anyone. It must also abide by the law of the land - and in that respect has no special powers. It is high time for the CIAA to prove itself capable of upholding justice. SUPERMAN KOIRALA It seems that Girija Prasad Koirala believes he is above the law when he refused to present himself to the CIAA. Instead, he demanded that the King make public his property. Of course, if there were provisions in the constitution, the King would have made public the Royal Palace complex. It is given that this omission was a mistake - but the constitution did not grant an exemption to Koirala. It is germane to recall that this is the same Koirala who said the Royal Palace massacre was a "grand design". Just after the incident Koirala gathered a crowd at Basantapur, Kathmandu, with a promise of explaining exactly what this meant - but of course failed to fulfill his promise. He repeated this same exercise when hearing his summons before the CIAA. He invited a small group of journalists loyal to him to expose the "great grand design" this time. "I will disclose all when the time will come," he said. He procrastination is another clear signal of his incredibility. Koirala was Prime Minister, defence minister and Royal Palace affairs minister when the tragic accident took place at the Royal Palace. He didn't take any responsibility for the accident. If Koirala is aware of the "grand design" behind the massacre why didn't he wish to prolong his prime minstership at the time by revealing all and putting him in favour with the public? |
| Sadabichar | Posted
on 23-May-03 10:48 PM
(Contd...) CUNNING KOIRALA The commander of the people's movement is known as a corrupt and autocratic political leader. His other main characteristic is his greed for power. In the 12 years of democracy, Koirala was Prime Minister on four separate occasions. He held the post for the longest cumulative period. He is the person who conspired to defeat the founding leader of the Nepali Congress and his late elder brother's colleague - Krishna Prasad Bhattarai - on two occasions in the Kathmandu constituency. He wanted to clear any opposition to consolidate his own position of power. Today, despite the Nepali Congress's movement against the King's October 3 move, Krishna Prasad Bhattarai has remained silent. Interestingly, Sailaja Acharya, a close member of the Koirala camp is also aloof from the movement's activities. Koirala demonstrated his need for power when he publicly supported Krishna Prasad Bhattarai for the post of Prime Minister - but only because he was aware of his own unpopularity. The Congress won with a thin majority, and Bhattarai was elected as Prime Minister. But, within a few months, Koirala ousted him from power. Bhattarai was scheduled to visit France, and requested Koirala to stand in whilst he was away. However, Koirala refused to give up the post on Bhattarai's return. CORRUPT KOIRALA One cannot say everybody in the Nepali Congress party is corrupt. Yet members are aware of the magnitude of corruption of their leader GP Koirala. Pradeep Giri revealed in the Tarun vernacular weekly that Koirala offered him a ministerial post. He turned down the offer when Koirala demanded a hefty sum of money for the position. Koirala used his close allies to amass his great fortune. Khum Bahadur Khadka, Bijaya Gachahadar, Mahesh Acharya, Govinda Raj Joshi, Mahesh Acharya were all willing to collect money for their leader. But Koirala didn't open any bank account or hold any property in his own name. Instead Sujata Jost, Nona Koirala, among others, were used to manage the money collected by Koirala. Sujata, Koirala's only daughter, despite not holding any public post was able to build a lavish palace at Mandikatar in Kathmandu. Koirala is solely responsible for destroying the Royal Nepal Airlines Corporation (RNAC), the only flag carrier of this nation. He sold a Boeing 727 aircraft at a very low price. By appointing Dhimija as the GSA for Europe, created a heavy loss to RNAC. He was also directly involved in the Lauda deal, in which the CIAA has tried to punish him for. The Nepali Congress government has also made money by selling three important companies at below market prices - Harisiddhi Bricks and Tiles Factory, Bhrikuti Paper Factory and Bansbari Leather Shoes Factory. More recently the Nepal Tea Development Corporation was sold, earning Koirala a hefty commission and resulting in a heavy loss to the government. Koirala is the architect of the Mahakali Treaty, which is totally against national interests. He made the Tanakpur deal with India, bypassing parliament and claiming it was an agreement. Later, the court proved that in fact it was not an agreement but a treaty. Koirala was directly involved in the killing of many innocent people and policemen in the name of suppressing the Maoist insurgents. He never wanted to solve the Maoist issue because he was making too much money in commission from the sale of arms. Koirala is fully responsible for destroying the civil service. He exercised nepotism and favoritism - appointing his allies to key political positions. After destroying the civil service and the police force, he attempted to destroy the Army. However, the Army resisted his designs, insisting that the Army is to safeguard the nation's sovereignty and national borders, not to work for any particular party's interests. Koirala, amongst others, is claiming that the Army should be under the rule of parliament, not the King. However this relationship is little more than ceremonial. Although the King is the honorary Supreme Commander-in-Chief, the Army in fact is under the National Security Council headed by the elected Prime Minister and defence minister. Koirala is currently demanding for restoration of parliament. This is despite the fact that the Court has already passed the verdict that the house - once dissolved under the recommendation of an elected parliament - cannot be restored. Everybody is convinced that the upcoming polls would only bring into function the constitutional process properly, Koirala is feared from obtaining a fresh mandate, and asking to form an interim government with a purpose of capturing power without having the people's mandate. MOVEMENT FAILS TO GATHER MOMENTUM Despite the completion of the first stage of the joint movement across the country, only party activists have participated. In the 1989 people's movement, general people participated in the name of democracy. Now, the people feel the same political leaders have cheated them. No longer do they believe that their return to power would benefit the nation. Instead they support a successful outcome of government-Maoist talks. The movement is destructive given that the Maoist cease-fire is creating a climate for peace. Now is the time to reunite the country, bringing the Maoists to the mainstream political arena and rebuilding the country. This is the time to rescue the heavily damaged economy. The political leaders should realize this rather than create further conflict. |
| Bhinaju | Posted
on 24-May-03 03:50 AM
Manasib ho! |