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| Yadav | Posted
on 29-May-03 05:13 PM
read it for yourself: http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6508236%255E3102,00.html |
| ruck | Posted
on 29-May-03 06:32 PM
Oho !! Yo sajha ma ta garda garda devi deuta lai pani chadenan ..... |
| :)(: | Posted
on 29-May-03 08:38 PM
Jebus was gay re?:O Huna sakcha. No wonder all the churches are opposing the gay marriage and stuffs... the churches hate gay/lesbian, does that mean they hate Jebus???? something to think about, eh? Tyahi, "always asking controversial questions" dangggg |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 29-May-03 08:42 PM
hu cares! |
| Bond-007 | Posted
on 29-May-03 09:32 PM
Yadav is talking about Jesus (Pronounced "Hesus") who works in the gas station. Carlos, Miguel and Jose are all gays and Maria, Andria and Veronica are lesbian. Who cares though!!! :) |
| Yadav | Posted
on 29-May-03 09:53 PM
guys..take a minute to read the info on the link before you make any comments..! I also thought that it was some kind of joke or something..But seems like it has been a big topic of research for that university in Australia. Also, it appears that it there's been a good amount of curiosity on this topic among some of the Christians. OF course, I do not care what sexual preferences Jesus had..I just thought I would share the link with you all coz it had surprised me. |
| nuts | Posted
on 30-May-03 06:11 AM
Interesting read! $51,000 for such a research.!. I also thought it was a joke.. USA---> The land of weirdos![ except non US born immigrants like us re kya!] |
| kirsten | Posted
on 30-May-03 08:36 AM
those aussie's suck! |
| thaag | Posted
on 30-May-03 08:42 AM
Well, a gay found his god a gay.......nothing new...... |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 30-May-03 08:53 AM
No wonder the Catholi Churches have been harbouring them for centuries. And the current moral crisis the Boston Archdiocese is in. Hah !! |
| acharya | Posted
on 30-May-03 10:18 AM
Ram Ram ...arka ko prabhu lai samalinge prove garna khojdaichha tyo australian vishwavidyalaya le... tyaslai dundeet banaunu parchha..sa-shulk! |
| KurLey | Posted
on 30-May-03 11:05 AM
Buddha anyone? thats a plenty of money right there.. here's where you can start...middlepath = Bisexual. I was just wondering, how many of you folks would stubbornly disbelieve if smeone came up with a proof that Buddha was gay?, think about it, if your orientation is not straight, would you not love to find some hints (and it dont take much nowadays) as to your god is the same orientation as you?, and in the mean time get money?? |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 30-May-03 11:45 AM
Yo Kurley, You forget one thing.... it dun matter if Buddha was gay. Buddha was no Son o God like Jesus(to be perfect). His message is more important than his personal life. Where Jesus is considered God in flesh therefore his sexual prefernce matters. Cause if it was the other way around.. then Christianity's preaching against Jesus's own message for more than a 1000 yr. That definately would be a smoking gun and would set up a wave of major changes in our current day society. he he he |
| KurLey | Posted
on 30-May-03 12:31 PM
BP Ji, Beg to differ, I understand what you are saying, but its only an elitist view which I dont think would ring out true in subjective social scene. I get you in that buddha's message is important, but more important than his flesh?, much less than jesus'es flesh? in Nepal and buddhist subcontinent?, esp in Nepal, a gay monk in Swyayambhu? dayymn, even the monkeys would go beserk. Above you mentioned (elitist) Boston Archdiocese I think somthing like that in Nepal (comparatively laid back of us) forget about India and such, would be should I say saaroooo Blasphemous ni hooo.. |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 30-May-03 04:42 PM
Of course his message is more important than his flesh. Thats how he wanted it. But our geographical location being soo influenced by Hindu religion..ppl started to worship him as a deity. I don't think thats an elitist's veiw, thats what happened(fact). A Buddhist in from one area does not practice the same rituals as Buddhisht from another. Look at Buddhist from Mongol area... to Indonesia... to Japan....To Nepal(ppl's interpretation not Buddha's). Buddha did not consider himself anything other than just another human being...whereas Jesus is a declared Son of GOD(interpretition god in flesh). Huge difference...as a human, we can corelate to Buddha being gay. But imagine Jesus, the god being gay....that would be a catastrophe to Christianity's current belief. |
| believe | Posted
on 31-May-03 06:00 AM
Darwin said we all came from apes, he sure got lots of award for his theory but that doesn't really mean we came from apes/monkeys. Same goes here. If Jesus was a gay(a/c to his research), he is not the Jesus of the Bible. Jesus says, 'If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them'(Lev.20:13).'No Jesus was not gay, only this australian khairey is gay and he wants to preach his lifestyle to others.If we want to know anything about anyone then we would believe the person who walks/spends time with that person. If we want to know about Jesus, we should consider what his desciples confessed. 11 of his desciples had unnatural death, some were crucified upside down, some burnt alive, some killed with spears, yet they confessed that Jesus was sinless, resurrected and our saviour, who came in this world to give us inner peace and salvation. Why would these people rather choose to die for confessing Christ as saviour? Would anyone choose to die purposely for a 'lie'? Sathi ho, marna lageko manchhe le jhoot boldaina bhanchha hai... |
| ou812 | Posted
on 31-May-03 09:28 AM
I though Jesus died a virgin. |
| SITARA | Posted
on 31-May-03 09:38 AM
Jesus was born of a Virgin.... The same guy from Australia proved it kyare...! |
| MadMax | Posted
on 31-May-03 09:41 AM
That Aussie faggot deserves a kick ass in Hell. How dare he defame Jesus. Being a Hindu, I do have high regards for Jesus Christ. |
| MadMax | Posted
on 31-May-03 09:42 AM
Isn't there a fatwa on that faggot's ass? |
| SITARA | Posted
on 31-May-03 10:56 AM
Seriously: Jesus was born during the reign of Herod (Holger Kersten, 1997) but the exact date is unknown. According to Kersten's book " Jesus Lived In India", the Christianity we see today is largely created by the zealot apostle Paul and therefore can be safely referred to as Paulinism. The Gospel was written by Paul. The Gospel notes, twists, bends and even goes as far as to fabricate little details while it conveniently goes on to omit salient happenings in Jesus' life before and after his crucification. One major omission is that of a monastry situated on the shores of the Dead Sea. In "Historia Naturalis", Pliny calls it the Essene Monastery, where its members are described as a reclusive group of men (monks) living together in utmost austerity. Less then a Kilometer away is a cave where some ancient Hebrew Scrolls were found which refers to a "Teacher of Righteousness". The Dominican Institute of theology in Jerusalem began excavations in 1951 which shed light to the ways of the Monastery dewellers. Here is an account: "They spurn worldly wealth; most admirable is how they own all things in common so that no one among them possess more than anyone else. For it is their rule that anyone who wishes to join the sect must first donate everything he owns to the whole community. ....they lived very much in the spirit of brotherhood"... Josephus The Essenes wore white robes, abstained from sex and worldly pleasures. The robes collected after Jesus' crucification belonged to the Essene sect which proved that Jesus did live among men in the Essene Order! My point is, if living with/among men in a monastery makes that person gay, we might as well await the dawn of enlightenment when the Dalai Lama and Vivekananda are proven homosexuals and, the Buddha and Shankaracharya Bi-sexuals!!!!!!!!!! Let us see how many of us will get offended that a grant was/is set aside to prove or disprove our spiritual gurus' sexuality!!!!!!! |
| disco | Posted
on 31-May-03 05:32 PM
Consider this; its a well known fact that Adam and eve were blacks, and it was not something that was shoved down the throat, although at the time it was hard to swallow. Consider this again, it is also a well known fact that there is gay gene (forgive me I dont have the sequence for it). Unless you believe that the gene construct was in the hands of saitan, in the name of god, the gay gene has a much right as the Jesus eye pigment color. Fellows, its your cultural predisposition to rights and wrongs that makes you soo offended by this (albeit I see people being offended for Jesus having a red eye). Considering the above premise, let us assume that Jesus one night showed up in dream, in it he told the Aussie faggot that Jesus was gay and that Jesus wanted him to tell the whole world (and helped him in some ways, which is very possible considering Ganesh drinking milk and Jesus sightings every other day). And thats what he did. You could believe Jesus also walked upon the water, why cant you see the gay gene as a godly construct, which would have more of a physical presence in our society than Jesus moral and ethical preachings. |
| believe | Posted
on 31-May-03 11:19 PM
Sitara ji, no one knows the exact date when Jesus was born in this world, even the Bible doesn't record his date of birth, but one clue we can count on is the 'B.C.' and 'A.D'. The history is divided in two parts, BC which stands for 'Before Christ' and Anno Domini, which means 'year by the Lord. So we know that Jesus lived here approx. 2000 years ago. I think the exact date and time is not really important, but what is important is, that Jesus lived among us, and he came in this world to give us peace and salvation and he came to be crucified for the remission of sins. Some people say that His personal life is not really important, but in my opinion His personal life is very important. He didn't practice what he preached but he preached what he practiced. If He preached what He couldn't practice then that makes him a liar and a hypocrite. In the Old Testament (The First Half of the Bible) we see numerous prophesy about how Jesus would be born, how his life would be, and how he would be crucified and how he would be risen again after the third day. I am quoting some verses from the Bible which was written approx. 600 B.C.by prophet Isaiah which fortells Christ's suffering on the Cross. ' Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisemen of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors,'( Isaiah 53: 1, 3-12). This was exactly how Jesus was crucifed centuries later. When Jesus was yet alive, he fortold his death and resurrection,' From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day(Matthew 16: 21). 'And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man(Jesus Himself) shall be betrayed into the hands of men: And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.(Matthew 17: 22,23). Jesus rose again after the third day of his death,and lived among people for forty days, and was lifted in heaven in front of hundreds of people. 'And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight,' (Acts 1:9). Sorry, his body is not in the tomb of India. The jesus who went to India and learnt some magical tricks from sadhus and sanyasis is not the Jesus of the Bible. We human beings need education to learn things but God created the heaven and the earth by his mere words. Bible says God knows everything, he knows the number of your hairs. Kersten argues that Jesus did not die on the cross, but only went into a swoon, after which he escaped from Israel and went to live and teach again in India. Some people have even invented the tomb and shrines of jesus in India but unfortunately, that is not the Jesus of the Bible. His body is not in the tomb, he is the only one who rose again from the dead and never died again and ascended to heaven. He didn't became god after going through some religious rituals and meditations but He was God in flesh. The Bible says, 'He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.(John 1:10-13). If he is God then we also know that God is all-knowing but if a guy comes and says he's become god after undergoing some religious training then that guy is gotta be kidding ! Christ was preached in India by Thomas, one of the disciple of Jesus, who believed Christ resurrected body only after touching the wounds in Jesus' palm. He was killed with spears in south India for preaching Christ, after Jesus' resurrection, approx. a little less than2000 yrs ago. In european countries and america, Christ was preached much later, only about 500 yrs ago. Years are given just for general idea. |
| Satya | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 12:06 AM
There are claims that Jesus Christ is illegitimate son of a Roman Soldier, not son of God as believed by Christians. Please click here to see anarticle on this issue. |
| believe | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 12:34 AM
Disco sathi, i didn't know that Adam and Eve were blacks and it's a well proven fact. Those people who regard too much on the colour of skin, race and so forth would be fascinated by this theory and would want to prove this hypothesis. It doesn't really matter what the colour of Adam and Eve was during creation, but what's important is that God created man by His word."So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."(Genesis 1:27). About the gay gene, honestly I was never taught about a gay-gene in the genetics text book. If there is such a gene then it must be some mutant genetic code that was not the intention of the God. Mutations do occur in life. You must have seen some people with 6 fingers or three legs and so on. But that doesn't make it natural. Bible says,' Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Professing themselves to be wise , they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge , God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient: (Romans 1: 21-28). If jesus really came into your dream and said he was gay, then you must consider one of the following, either it's just a casual dream or some evil spirit is tempting you. Didn't some so called angel came into mohammad's life and told him that he was the messenger of God? Do you think he was the messenger of loving, gracious and almighty God? God is Holy and God considers homosexuality an abominable sin. People may lower the standard of 'holiness' day by day but God never changes. 'And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement: (Hebrews: 9:27).But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment(Word of Jesus, Matthew 12:36). 'So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God'.(Romans 14:12). Those people who claim Jesus was gay should also prepare to say to God upfront when they die that 'Jesus, you were gay.' 'It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God,'(Hebrews 10:31). Well, if anyone is going to live in this world forever, then it should be fine but unfortunately, everyone of us is going to die one day, sooner or later.After that? Well, many scientist believe that man is clearly an animal and there is no such thing as spirit. We have the right to believe what we believe but believing in the false thing doesn't make it real. God never enforce us to do something, unlike satan, God wants something on our own will. |
| Satya | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 12:40 AM
Here is another link: The Bible Fraud |
| believe | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 12:59 AM
There may be all sorts of claims but 'kagle kaan lagyo bhane pahila kaan chhamnu parchha, kaag ko pachii laagnu hundaina hai, mitra, Bible says, Matthew 1:18 : Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. M't:1:19: Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. M't:1:20: But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. M't:1:21: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. M't:1:22: Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, M't:1:23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. M't:1:24: Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: M't:1:25: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. Jesus' birth was prophesied in the Old testament approx. 600 BC by prophet Isaiah, 'Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. (Isaiah 7:14). Old Testament was written before Christ came into this world. 'Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (Heb. 11:1). 1John:2:18: Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 2John:1:7: For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. |
| believe | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 01:11 AM
If Bible was a fraud then i really don't understand how Jesus was born of virgin 600 yrs after Isaiah prophesy. II Peter 1:21, For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. Jesus has also prophesied the present and the future in the Bible. Just quoting few passages. There are also lots of prophesies made about our current times,and also about the future. M't:24:3: And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? M't:24:4: And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. M't:24:5: For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. M't:24:6: And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. M't:24:7: For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. M't:24:8: All these are the beginning of sorrows. M't:24:9: Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. M't:24:10: And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. M't:24:11: And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. M't:24:12: And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. M't:24:13: But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. M't:24:14: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. M't:24:15: When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) M't:24:16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: M't:24:17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: M't:24:18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. M't:24:19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! M't:24:20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: M't:24:21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. M't:24:22: And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. M't:24:23: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. M't:24:24: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. M't:24:25: Behold, I have told you before. M't:24:26: Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. M't:24:27: For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. M't:24:28: For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. M't:24:29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: M't:24:30: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. M't:24:31: And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. |
| believe | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 01:20 AM
Friends, check this out. The videos are long but if u have a dsl connection then it's quicker. It should answer many of the questions but it takes a humble spirit to know God. http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=real_video |
| le chef du nuit | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 01:31 AM
does it matter if jc was gay? does it even matter if jc was a historical figure? if you believe in god, believe in god. whats all this religion bulls*it but one more thing for this people of this already fractured world to fight about? all religion is hypocritical. if there is a god (i personally dont think so, but thats besides the point).. but if there is a god, and this god is the source of all creation, then both good and evil must spring from him (else, if he didnt create evil, how can he be the creator of all?) religion tells us to be 'good', so if you were to be religious (in terms of all modern religions), you are conciously choosing to IGNORE the part of god that evil springs from. if god existed, and if religion was the way to know god, religion would not call evil evil, because evil springs from god, and god is good. therefore, religion gives us a logically inconsistent view of god and godhead. in a univrse that appears to follow a set of CONSISTENT laws, this inconsistent set of religious beliefs does not fit in |
| believe | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 08:15 AM
Yes, it matters if Jesus was gay, because if it's true then it makes him sinful according to his own word. It will also matter to those who care because he was a historical figure. Those who don't care have other topics to spend time and express their thoughts. If someone puts falls accusation on someone, then it sounds okay to some people but if someone wants to defend it then I think it doesn't automatically become religious. If there is a question, there is an answer, if there is a remark then there is a comment. As per you question, yes, God is the source of all, but He has also given us a choice to make between good and evil. De:30:15: See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; De:30:19: I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 03:37 PM
Yo Believe, Before you start quoting the Bible ? You have to get into when Bible was actually writen ? How many years after Jesus Died was it written ? There are a lot of elements added to that story that are still quetionable to this very Modern day. All of thos so called miracles are still yet to be Scientifically proven. Then again you are going to revert to what all Christians do.. Faith. My answer to that question is I have faith in our world cause I know it works(like asprin for headache and Pepto for the runs, Gasoline runs the car, electricity makes it possible yo post this message..its works for everyone not just for Jesus). If faith cannot be perceived by our humanly senses then a person has every right to question what it is. C'mon I convince me why I should believe your Bible. The very fact that there is no one else(who could perform these miracles) other than Jesus makes me ask that very question.. How ? Are you sure these tales were not brewed up by his zealous Apostles ? Anyone can cook up a good story...but is that the one and only truth...you tell me |
| believe | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 09:37 PM
This message is exclusively for Bitchpatrol, others who have no concern may kindly skip. Yo Bitchpatrol, u have asked a very good question. Keep it up. If u read my earlier postings u'd get answers to lots of your questions. Bible has two parts, the Old Testament and the New Testament. The Old Testament was written thousands years before Jesus actually came. It covers the prophecy about Jesus coming, his life, death and resurrection and the final judgement. The New Testament was written after Jesus' arrival and resurrection. It fulfiills the promises made by God in the Old Testament. Bible is God's word, it covers the things in the past, present and also the future. Here is the link (http://www.carm.org/bible/biblewhen.htm). But before making a comment, I think first you should read the Bible and then make a comment. That will either bring u closer to God or put in a better position to doubt God's word. Either way, it should sound good to you. (2) Science is the knowledge gained by observation/experimentation. There r no scientific experiments u can do to observe what happened in the early days of creation. If u watch the video link that I have posted, it should answer your questions in detail. U can't scientifically prove lots of things, can u scientifically prove your love for your dear ones, your faith for loved ones? How can u prove a greatest love for someone? Bible says, John:15:13: Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.Joh:15:19: If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.Joh:10:14: I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. Joh:10:15: As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. Joh:10:16: And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Joh:10:17: Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. Joh:10:18: No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. Jesus also asks, M'r:8:36: For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? In other words, what's the use if u become a president in this world and go to hell after u die? (3) Gasoline runs the car just as the soul and spirit runs your body, take out God's spirit and soul and see what would be left of you. (4)The word of Bible was not written by me, It's God's word(refer my prefer posting), God used chosen people to convey his message. (5)I never said only Jesus can make miracles, Satan also makes miracles to attract and deceive people by giving them material gain. The only difference I see in Jesus is his resurrection and authority to forgive sins and give peace and salvation. I have found Peace in Jesus Christ, I have not scientific evidence to prove the Peace that I found in him but everyone knows the condition of their own heart, u don't need some instrument to prove it. Do u need any instrument to prove that u r sad or happy or peace? Look at the life of poet at their meloncholy poetry, it's because they don't have peace in their heart that they pour out their sadness. Jesus came to give us peace, anyone who seeks it, Jesus gives it willingly? B4 making comments, have u found Peace in life? I have found it in Jesus and I know what I am talking about. (John:14:27: Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.) (6) I am sure it's God's word, coz no people would lay their life towards cruelty for a false witness.Refer to my previous postings. Peter accepted to die upside down on the cross to confess before the roman rulars that he had seen the risen Christ.Would u die for something that u have never seen when u have an opportunity to accept dear life and all the material gains?That's just one of the example. Noone can cook up a story just to gain persecution throughout their life and a brutal death at the end. Brave people have courage to believe and die for truth. yo, bitchpatrol, sorry, alik laamo bhayechha, i think u should do a little self searching yourself after all it's the matter of life and death. |
| dangggg | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 10:21 PM
abui jebus ko barema kastro lamoooo thread. 33 postings bhaisakecha. Tara montou ko aatooo patoo chaina. montou kina naboling about jebus?? MONTOU DAJU! WRITE SOEMTHING AOBUT JEBUS, WILL YA???? Tyahi, "Missing montou (on your face) daju" dangggg |
| le chef du nuit | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 10:28 PM
>>As per you question, yes, God is the source of all, but He has also given us a choice to make between good and evil. << aiight so let me get this straight god created all, so he created BOTH good and evil AND those who choose to be good go to heaven those who choose to be bad go to hell BUT if god created both good and evil, why should the ones that choose the 'evil' part that god created be punished? in a way, arent they still doing something that god himself put on earth? why the double standard? if what you say is true, i see only one way to visualize your god.. a sadistic tormenter who gives humans impulses to do what they 'should' not.. those who resist these impulses get a pat on the back and those who cannot resist these impulses that HE HIMSELF CREATED AND PUT IN MAN fry for all eternity. that dosent sound very benevolent what are we, little rats running around in mazes? i see that as a very negative view of mankind. just as you choose to bow down to a power you have never seen, i choose to bow to a force that i have experienced.. the power of human ingenuity.... in a way, both science and religion are avenues to seek answers to questions we have about the world. i just choose to think that one day man will know on all the answers and not have to depend upon a superstiton. one thing has got to be said about the bible though.. it was right when it said that the meek shall inherit the earth.. because one day, the brave will leave it and go and conquer the universe. |
| luciferche | Posted
on 02-Jun-03 12:41 AM
well..... for those who believe jesus ever existed,...... please come with a proof! something scientific enough! and please don`t start the crap with god is above science! one thing is for sure these christian priests, especially the catholic ones who can`t (or decide not to.. whatever you would like to say) marry are surely homosexuals!!! some are even pedophilic!! as for being a gay, i will never be one but i think it`s a person`s freedom(stupidity?) to be homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual!!!! |
| le chef du nuit | Posted
on 02-Jun-03 02:49 AM
stupidity to be heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual? damn... so tell me as for yourself... do you abstain, or are you stupid? |
| KurLey | Posted
on 02-Jun-03 08:44 AM
<> < Le Chef, I dig what you said I could not help but post this lttle piece from the Man himself..... O my brethren, what I can love in man is that he is an over-going and a down-going. And also in you there is much that maketh me love and hope. In that ye have despised, ye higher men, that maketh me hope. For the great despisers are the great reverers. In that ye have despaired, there is much to honour. For ye have not learned to submit yourselves, ye have not learned petty policy. For to-day have the petty people become master: they all preach submission and humility and policy and diligence and consideration and the long et cetera of petty virtues. Whatever is of the effeminate type, whatever originateth from the servile type, and especially the populace-mishmash:- that wisheth now to be master of all human destiny- O disgust! Disgust! Disgust! That asketh and asketh and never tireth: "How is man to maintain himself best, longest, most pleasantly?" Thereby- are they the masters of today. These masters of today- surpass them, O my brethren- these petty people: they are the Superman's greatest danger! Surpass, ye higher men, the petty virtues, the petty policy, the sand-grain considerateness, the ant-hill trumpery, the pitiable comfortableness, the "happiness of the greatest number"-! And rather despair than submit yourselves. And verily, I love you, because ye know not today how to live, ye higher men! For thus do ye live- best! Friedrich Nietzsche. Thus spake Zarathustra. Kurl, aka DISCO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 02-Jun-03 01:11 PM
Yo Believe, You talk about old tstament right ? Ok fine. There is no son of god in old testament right? Jesus is the Supreme according to Bible(Image of Christianity). I am not going to quote any verses but it generally says if you are not a believer ..you go to Hell. Which in turn already means you are not a friend. Cause you would not want your friend to goto hell right ? Which limits your ability to perceive different point of veiw cause you are already handicapped by your faith. But what is faith you tell me.... |
| believe | Posted
on 02-Jun-03 03:17 PM
Yo Bitchpatrol, why are u showing a prejudiced view about the Bible? Like I said, unless u read yourself and search yourself a bit it's going to be a fruitless arguement. U said believer go to heaven n' u also said i am not your friend, then why would I spend my time in telling u that your soul is important to u and am also asking u to do a little self searching yourself. If your intention is to understand things then this discussion is going to be fruitful, but if we are arguing just for the sake of arguement, then my friend we'd rather spend time in something else. I'll give u an example of faith, how do u believe that our King died? Who do u believe if a witness died? You know the disciples of Jesus accepted to suffer persecution and cruel death at the hands of governing authority and society. Why did they choose it? Didn't they love their own life? Have you ever seen a dying man closely? What remains after a man dies? What do u do when everything goes wrong? Who do you believe when everything else fails? Many scientists believe that we are animal (check your biology textbook). Bible says we are made in the image of God. Who do u believe? How do u scientifically define death and what is your idea of death? What is the purpose of life? Why r we here on this earth? How did the earth get here? Did it came out of nothing and has God got nothing to do with it? Think over it. Don't hurry in making my mouth shut with your doubts. Jesus was in the New Testament. Jesus simply means Savior. Christ means anointed. If you read carefully, u will find Jesus in the OT as well. Unless u really do a little self searching I repeat, it will be a fruitless arguement. Bible says, 'For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth on Him should never perish but have eternal life,(John 3:16). You want to win an arguement or have eternal life?Joh:3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Joh:3:19: And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Joh:3:20: For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. Joh:3:21: But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. These r not my words, it's God word for you. Take care :) |
| believe | Posted
on 02-Jun-03 03:48 PM
Answer about choice between good and evil. Imagine you are in a desert with no human beings (friends/family/aquaintances/enemy) around. You are the only person over there. Who do u want to have company with, will u choose a robot who obeys whatever u say or press button or a human being with a presence of conscience and judgement and who chooses to be with you in their own free will? What kind of girl do you want to marry, would you delight in marrying a girl who chooses u among all other men or a girl who is dumb and has no conscience( standard of judgement between right or wrong) and obeys everything you say? Imagine your child is hooked up into drugs, what would u prefer, would you beat your kid till he is half dead and doesn't do drugs in front of you out of fear or would u want him to quit from this habit ON HIS OWN FREE WILL? Same goes here. God made us so that He can have fellowship with you but on your own free will. It is upto you to choose or deny him or scoff at him. You are responsible for the choice u make. If there were no choice then wouldn't it be dull and kinda dictatorship? Who said u r a rat running around the mazes. God considers u precious and loves you, that's why he came here on earth to live with us and wants to rebuilt the fellowship and friendship with you. Bible says, 'For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth on Him should never perish but have eternal life,(John 3:16). Questions which has already been answered and irrelavant questions shall not be answered again. Good luck to you all! |
| KurLey | Posted
on 03-Jun-03 12:45 PM
Believe ji, The problem is, I dont believe in God made us crap, if you want to play supposition game. its your own court. I believe that I have free will to survive in this world, to choose whats right for me to survive ( To answer your question, I might even choose the Robot if thats whats going to keep me alive longer and make me happier, Robot fetish anyone??), whether there is god or not, I just dont care, because even if there is, that has no bearing on me while I live. I dont know for sure and never will, whats going to happen after I die, if I die (com on Cloners!!) I dont know (but I think, Nothing), no books or people telling me are going to persuade me. Dont let go the corollary off the hook by supposition, I dont believe in god, because, I dont have reason to ( just like I dont have reason to believe in Aliens because I think they might abduct me), even if there is a reason (To say Yeaaahhh, Right, Believe ji, after all there is god!!, how dumb of me!!), It should be me who wrote the book. That is how I will use my free will, that is how I know I am Living, and that is the only way I know I am right,. Peace (with or withought free will). |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 03-Jun-03 02:34 PM
Ok Believer you want answers.. I'll give you answers. Major problem of Christians is that they see people of different as enemies(Pat Roberson and his 700 culb). Otherwise why do you have to convert them ? If a person's heart is pure regardless of relgion that person will goto a better place. Like GB said "Either you are with us or against us" plain and simple. You talk as if the old testament solely belongs to Christians only. Don't forget the Muslim and the Jews claim it too. That is one of the reason we have all those conflicts in the Middle east till this very day. Answers to your questions Our king died cause his Krazy ass son went Cuckooo with a gun in his hand. If the witness died...hehe we will never know lke the Kennedy Assasination. Jesus's deciples died cause they wanted to institutionalize Christianity. They wanted to become Martyrs to Christianity(which they sucessfully achieved). And they are still very much alive today cause people like you keep quoting their books. He he Yes I do believe that we belong to the animal kingdom(Yes I checked my elemntry science book hullo). And I believe that very animal instict has kept us alive till this very day. Back then we used our insticts for food, survival, and shelter. These days we use it to get a better job. he he How do we define life and death and our purpose here ? Well if I knew that I would be Jesus too wouldn't I ? he he i don't know why we are here. Still trying to figure that out on a daily basis(from a scientific point of veiw). If we are made in the image of god then all f us should look like Jesus wouldn't we ? And everyone should accept Bible right ? By making this statement you are also ignoring the rest of the world and their existence. And I definatly do not look like Jesus ...he he Christ was in New testament...fine. But Christianity Poster boy is Jesus(am i right ?). When it comes to creation of this world ..well i believe the big Bang theory more than anything else. At least it does not include any Hocus Pocus. You still have yet to convince me about faith..... |
| believe | Posted
on 03-Jun-03 04:28 PM
Kurley ji, i know what u mean by those words, i have been thru' that stage myself. There would be millions of doubts when u look for God and when u don't get a clue it's seems so natural that God doesn't exist. I was not born a christian but in due time I realized He is a prayer answering God and is a Living God. Bible says, Ro:1:19: Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. Ro:1:21: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.So all of us has consciousness of God. U yourself admitted above that there is a God. God also has given a conscience, a right of judgement, that's one way we know He exists. When a strong person rapes a helpless girl, don't u think it is wrong? How about incest? Do u delight when u hear about it?That's God's conscience. When u help a needy, don't u feel good; that is God's conscience. That's how God feels, it doesn't simply mean physical things, it also means abstract things. That's the image of God. Do u sometimes wish that u were the most powerful being in the world, with no one to bow down? That is pride which satan brings in our heart. God resists the pride. Because of pride in our heart we refuse to bow down before God and we want to become God and that's why we deny God. Satan doesn't want us to be with God. He wants to make us feel that we can become God and if we become God then we don't have to follow God's statutes. Satan tempts us with lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and pride of life and we give up and deny God. But we lose our peace. Look at your life, is it hooked up with these 3 things? Satan gives only temporary peace, God gives everlasting peace, when u humble yourself before God u will experience this peace. Unless u experience it yourself, I know it's hard to believe. Jesus says, Lu:11:9: And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. Lu:11:10: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. If u seek Him, u shall know him, if u hold your pride, God will resist u. About the robot thing, do u really want to live alone in a world with robots, without your mommy, daddy, friends and so forth? How about the other 2 question? Take care :) |
| believe | Posted
on 03-Jun-03 07:43 PM
Dear Bitchpatrol, sorry, I'm not gonna answer about the OT in terms of Muslims and Jews, because I think it's worthless unless u have read the OT and see the difference yourself and then ask me. My answer is this till u continue judging a book by its cover and some rumours and some scrap information. I am not going to answer on any of religion and its community. That will lead to nowhere as I believe they r just some set of rules n' rituals. Anyone can follow that without any faith involved. But I believe in Jesus because I found his words true and when I accepted Him as my Savior, I found peace just as the way He has promised in the Bible. I believed it when He said, M'r:7:21: For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,M'r:7:22: Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:M'r:7:23: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.I believed coz because I found these things in my heart. Whatever I did, I couldn't fill an empty room inside my heart, I was a chain smoker, a drunkard, proud, i had made enemies and everything was in mess. I believed when Bible said, 1Jo:1:8: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1Jo:1:9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.1Jo:1:10: If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.So I accepted Him by faith and I found peace and his forgiveness. He delivered me from my addictions and also healed broken relationships.I found all the qualities that a loving God should have in Him. When I prayed him in my trouble, he answered me. I can't describe everything coz this message box supports only 6500 characters and i am tired of writing it again. If u seek him then u shall find him, and u shall experience that peace in this very life, not me. What u believe doesn't affect me in any way. I believe him just as u believe in textbook,without fully understanding and without any questioning intention. I am not here to make enemies, I am just sharing what I have experienced in my life, a message of peace. If u keep counting me as your enemy then i have better things to do instead of just wasting my time over u. If my experience helps anyone who is looking for peace and truth then i would be content with it. By the way u have answered my question, it seems u have not been to nepal for atleast 2.5 yrs. anyways.. How did u believe what u believe, did u see the video recording of everything happening or some scientists came and proved it to u? u said u believe that u r an animal,what difference do u see in a swine having sex with his mother and a man having sex with his mother? It is sin for man a/c to God's word which is revealed to all of us by God given conscience but God is not going to judge an animal for this act, He will judge man because man has consciuosness of God by birth. Satan wants to deaden this conscience to keep us from the realization of God. I would correspond your message when u have atleast watched the first of the following video. http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=real_video If your intention is just to ask questions and look for God like u turn on the tv with your remote, then i won't be of much help.. sorry...but remember God says, Ec:12:1: Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them; Ec:12:7: Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Happy video watching ! take care :) |
| le chef du nuit | Posted
on 03-Jun-03 09:08 PM
aabui, what a trap you set, kurley jyu to experience a surge of ego, and implicitly accept the idea of godhead or else say "nyah, that idea is flawed" and constrain yourself to the rest of the crowd :) believe jyu, this is what i have to say to you why would an omniscient, omnipotent being need the fawning attentions of billions? only a power hungry a-hole with an inflated sense of ego tells others to worship him |
| le chef du nuit | Posted
on 04-Jun-03 12:22 AM
believe, you asked of bitchpatrol "why are you so prejudiced about the bible?" well, arent you, too? you glorify it to the disadvantage of all religious texts of any other religion i know, i know you are going to say that the bible says that it is divinely inspired but so does any other text. the koran says that it is the definitive voice of god. why dont you believe in it? (i know you will refuse to answer this, and say 'read the bible'. well, have YOU read the koran/ the talmund? the bhagvad-gita? any of the upanishads?) personally, i find the notion that you believe in the bible (or any other religious text, for that matter) because it itself says that its divinely inspired to be rather naive at best, and monstrously stupid at worst. its like defining 3 as the sum of 1 and 1 and then justfying the definition by saying "if you add 1 and 1, you get three". hopefully, you have not been blinded by your faith so much that you fail to see the big gaping logical hole in this type of argument to tell you the truth, i had never read the bible, and i recently picked up a copy (a King James version) and i had only to go through the FIRST PAGE to find incontestable proof that the Old Testament, at least, is NOT divinely inspired GENESIS 1.4: And God saw the the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness GENESIS 1.5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness the called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day please realize that this is BEFORE god supposedly creates the earth, or the sun. will you argue that the night and day the bible talks about is a PLANETARY phenomenon, and since it deals with HUMAN faith, is an EARTHLY phenomenon? does it not show that this is how a man, endowed with some intelligence, but lacking the facts, might explain all of creation? if GOD wanted someone to write down the account of creation, wouldnt he make sure that what was written down was factually correct, and not SO CLEARLY WRONG that thousands of years later people would doubt it? or do you also explain this away on the basis of 'free choice' that the lord supposedly bestowed on man? i also dont like the whole idea of putting mankind at the apex of creation. we are not the most important ones because some supernatural deity willed that it be so. we are at the apex because humans have STRIVED. they have strived to survive, they have strived to learn, to know. in a sense, all this quest for knowledge, aint that what got us kicked outta eden in the first place, according to the bible? beyond all this argument, though, i have a question to something i never understood. i never undestood why eating from the tree of knowledge could be so bad. i have had several different reasons thrown at me, but i have found each one equally unsatisfactory. answer 1) because GOD had told them not to, and they did ok, this is perhaps the most plausible of answers. disrespect of authority leads to punishment. but, this answer raises an unsettling question : WHY WOULD GOD WANT MAN TO BE IGNORANT? what was his hope for mankind? did he envison a world full of innocent little Barbies and Kens playing hide and seek in the jungle for all of eternity? and if he did, dosent the fact that man has free will point to a flaw in the design? how can a supposedly all-knowing god make such a stupid mistake? answer 2) god wanted man to be forever innocent see above for counterargument actually, i have come across several other reasons as well, all of which i have found to be pathetic explanations. believe me, if you were to give me a plausible argumen, i would say "alright, you got me there". please try to do so. i will enjoy ripping your arguments to shreds and please, a plea. i know that you believe in the power of the lord and his son jesus christ, and i respect that. however, i hope you do realize that when you are arguing with someone who does not, in fact, take the bible to be the word of the lord, quoting the bible is not the best way to win your case. i do not understand blind faith. i will tell you this. since i lost faith, i do sense an emptiness. i realize that there will be things that i will never know an answer to. but just because of this, i cannot put my faith in an almighty. i cannot say 'because it was god's will'. i will read the bible, as you advocated. but from my first experience with it, i dont think it will be any more illuminating than the gita or the koran were. i think MY search will continue. till the day i die. in the rain. alone. sorry. couldnt resist that last part. |
| le chef du nuit | Posted
on 04-Jun-03 12:42 AM
ok, i just found something else that i think is rather interesting genesis 2.22 to genesis 2.25 (i dont want to type it all out) but, 2.24 talks about how a man shall 'leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife'. how come the first humans had human parents? alright, so the lord is the father, but who exactly is the mother nitpicking aside, i found a SERIOUS, SERIOUS issue. if eve was made out of adam's rib, would it be too musch to suppose that they SHARE GENES? that would make eve either adam's twin sister, or his daughter. and, if they were also husband and wife, THE OLD TESTAMENT SANCTIONS INCEST. this is exactly why i think these religious texts should not be taken as god's litteral word. |
| believe | Posted
on 04-Jun-03 09:52 AM
(For Bitchpatrol jyu) answer about looking like a God: I think all the human that I have seen so far looks liked Jesus. Let me ask u a few questions, do u have 2 eyes? if u have 3 then u don't look like Jesus. do u walk on four-foot, if yes, then u don't look like Jesus. Do u have hair on your head? If u have spikes then u don't look like Jesus. When u go to the zoo, if some animals winks at u and makes passes counting u as one of them, then u don't look like Jesus. If your shit looks like that of a goat unlike rest of the humans, then u r not made in the image of God. If you/your wife gives birth to a robot then u r not made in the image of God. If your blood matches with other animals then u r not made in the image of God. There r variations, but man is a man, not a star fish or a bacteria. God has said, every living creature shall bring forth after its kind. When Adam and eve sinned same thing happened, his rebellion(sin) against God, passed on from generation to generation. That's why we have inclination towards pride,doubts, evil and so forth.Ge:5:3: And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: We were made in the image of God but now we also inherit the evil portion, the sin. That's why we have the knowledge of good and evil. Have a happy video watching. |
| believe | Posted
on 04-Jun-03 11:12 AM
lcdn jyu, i am glad that u have taken the first step, ie. u have started reading the Bible. Carry on with it. There r lots of chapters to follow, exodus, leviticus, deuteronomy etc. i myself had asked those questions before. Bible answers that. All u need is a bit patience. U can't simply get answers just like that, u have to research on both the views, u might even think of taking some Bible courses and compare that with what evolutionist has to say if u r so much interested in understanding. Don't expect to understand everything in one day and from one person. My suggestion to u as a well-wisher is, u will definitely find God if u seek him in truth. I know u won't agree with me at this point, but as u read the book of genesis, u will note that the first question in the bible came from the mouth of satan. He tempted Eve by asking 'hath God said?(3:1 Gen). He brought doubt and succeded in make them sin against God. He still does that. I spent seven yrs. in this, u will come across lots of doubts and temptation, but if u r really seeking God, then u will definitely find the truth. That's God's promise. If He doesn't fulfill it then He is a liar and you don't have to believe in Jesus BUT my friend, if u ever find truth in HIS WORD then do not turn your back from it. God wants to put a foundation of faith in your heart thru Jesus and satan doesn't want to let the foundation of doubt to be removed from your heart. But Jesus has said, John:10:28: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. The Bible has physical as well as spiritual aspects, since u have just begun reading it, you r bound to mix up many things. But don't worry, keep reading, God will reveal in due time the things that u ought to know. One more thing, u know there were were 2 trees in the Garden of eden, the tree of knowledge and the Tree of Life. When man took the knowledge, God took the Tree Of Life away. These are spiritual things. If u r looking to find God with your human knowledge then u won't find LIFE that God has kept for you. To understand Bible's word, u have to pray to God to reveal its meaning with humbleness. God is not your servant. He is LORD of all.We just rebel against him, that's the difference. About the 'light and darkness' question, it has physical as well as spiritual meaning, it also mean that when God begins a new life in your heart, He separates you from darkness, darkness doesn't mean simply dark. Darkness mean from disappointment, sins, sinful life, blasphemy, lust, pride and so forth. u have to be patient to understand everything. When u have found that light then u'd know that light. Jesus is that Light. John:8:12: Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. U can't measure that life with some physical instrument, but u will experience. Again, when u r looking for answers in the Bible, look for revealation of God and His LIFE and Grace, not for mere knowledge of God. Knowledge will not give u salvation. Faith in Jesus will Give u salvation. When u read God's Word and start following Him and then u find no truth in Him THEN U CAN LEAVE GOD AND CONCLUDE THAT GOD IS A LIAR. Otherwise, u r making a blunder. I would once again ask u to watch these videos, which answers lots of questions in the Book of Genesis, evolution, dinosaurs, carbon dating etc. While reading Bible, if u want to read about Jesus then u can begin from the New Testament, if u want to know from the creation then u can begin from OT. Good Luck for your quest :) http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=real_video |
| believe | Posted
on 04-Jun-03 12:04 PM
lcdn ji) a quick fact about King James Bible. u have chosen the right Bible version. The language used is 'old english' spoken before in England. It was published in 1611. That's the year it was translated into English. Before that Bible manuscripts were not allowed to be read by general public so popes took advantage of it and made people follow them instead of the Bible. They took the place of the God in social life which is not Biblical. When Martin Luther read the real Bible he revolted against the Roman Catholic and there was a division in the church because they were not teaching the Bible. Then the Bible was translated into English language. Thus came the word protestant, they protested against the catholics. There is a major difference between the Catholic teaching and the Bible.u will also see that there r different denominations but count only in the Bible, in what u have read. Remember to pray Jesus to reveal its meaning to you when u read the Bible because it is a spiritual book not a text book. Remember, don't follow any person's theory, only count on the word of Bible. That's the word of God. There r lots of false teachings, u will understand the reason as u read the Bible. My only advice to u is don't draw ANY conclusions without understanding the meaning. About the incest part of the Bible, in the first generation there was only Adam and Eve. Adam lived for 930 yrs, generation grew from them, they had many kids, so in the first generation they married sisters, they had no choice. BUT, the law of God had not come by then, God gave the Law through Moses in few following generations. Then diverse laws on various issues were given. U will find it in exodus, Levit, deuter and the following chapters. 6000 years ago , it was different my friend. u will see what evolutionist believe in the video. Remember, evolution is not science, it is a faith chipped in with science. Bible has no contradiction with science but it has contradiction with evolution theory. Science is 'knowledge gained by observation/experimentation, 'remember? Evolutionist don't have any evidence whatsoever to prove their faith, no genuince proof to support to support their big bang theory, it has been rejected by many scientists. There r no experiments to prove that happened in the past, we can only accept it by faith. If u r science student, then u will know what i mean. Read about carbon dating and the assumptions used, conservation of angular momentum and so on, u better watch those videos man, DON'T MIX EVOLUTION WITH SCIENCE, EVOLUTION IS FAITH. |
| believe | Posted
on 04-Jun-03 01:22 PM
why would an omniscient, omnipotent being need the fawning attentions of billions? only a power hungry a-hole with an inflated sense of ego tells others to worship him ? Answer: Why would a father want to be with his children? What kind of relationship do u want to have with your children? God is our spiritual father, He wants to have spiritual fellowship with us, but this fellowship is broken because of the sin. Jesus (God in flesh) came into this world, do u know how: Lu:22:27: For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.(Jesus came as a server).Joh:15:15: Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.(Jesus came to be your friend).M'r:2:17: When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.(He came for sinners, no one came for dharmis, he came to pay the penalty of sin for us), Joh:10:10: The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. Joh:10:11: I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. Joh:10:15: As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. Joh:10:16: And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Joh:10:17: Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. Joh:10:18: No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. Do u know Jesus washed his desciple's feet? What kind of God to u see in Him. Do u see a power-hungry person in Him? Bible says, greater love hath no man than this that he lay down his life for his friends. Jesus gave His love for you and for me. Do u see His Great Love of power hunger when he said this? He is the only God who said, I didn't come to be served, but I came to serve. Shouldn't God's Love be like this? Look what John 3:16 says,For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. That is the expression of LOVE, HE CAME TO LOVE U AND ME. He has promised He will never leave or forsake us. |
| believe | Posted
on 04-Jun-03 05:37 PM
Few more answers for lcdn:) Again, the OT has lots of figurative and spiritual meanings. U will understand as u read on. If u have a doubt, do not stop reading, a fourth grader will not undertand what E=mc2 means but as u move on u will understand. I am sorry, I don't want to sound proud, forgive me, but u must have patience. Eating from the tree of knowledge: It was not a mere fruit as u may take it. The garden was full of fruits. The actual temptation that satan brought was, U SHALL BE AS GODS(GEN:3:5). Satan tempted him with lust of the eye, flesh and pride of life.1Jo:2:16: For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.SATAN IS CONSIDERED THE GOD OF THIS WORLD. U'll understand it later. Gen 5:3, the tree was good for food, it represents desires of flesh, it was pleasant to the eyes, it represents desires of eyes ( u must be knowing what a sinful desires of eyes might be), and make one wise ( the pride, better than u attitude). A proud person never admits mistakes, if someone reminds him of mistake, he get irritated. The consequence: satan succeded in injecting this pride and sin in human that broke the fellowship of man with God. That's why when God asked Adam, why did u eat of the fruit, then he said 'the woman that u gave me to it and i ate it. In other words, since u gave me the woman, u r responsible, not me, i am innocent, u r guilty, the God is guilty. What did Eve say, the serpent beguiled me that's why I ate it. So serpent is guilty, she is innocent. Couldn't they simply admit their mistake and ask for forgiveness? Would God punish them if they had admitted it? No, God knows we r made out of dusts because he made us from it. But they refused to admit their disobedience and instead blamed God for it. They got punished for not admitting mistake, out of pride. That's why, God cursed them, 'For dust thou art and to dust thou shall return.' God knew Adam and Eve had disobeyed Him but still He came looking for them, but they hid themselves from God's presence, they had fear, sin brought fear in man. Could they really hide from God. We can never hide from God. He knows all the thought of your heart. He came back in the garden of eden looking for them out of love but they rejected God. The result: curse and death. In our times, He came as Jesus looking for us.John:1:11: He came unto his own, and his own received him not. You will see these illustrations throughout OT and NT. What did they do to Jesus, didn't they scoff at him, mocked him, spit at him, beat him and crucified him? Jesus suffered all these things to break this wall of sin between God and man to rebuilt the eternal fellowship between man and God. Gen 2:24, speaks about the later generations, the children that Adam and eve would bring forth.It talks about the bond of marriage, the love between husband and wife. Refer to Matthew 19:5, 6 and Also Ephesians 5.31. It seems your intention is just to read the Bible and quote all the doubtful versus on me to make my mouth shut and prove how wise you are. Look what 1Corinth :2:14 says: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. If u r looking for God and eternal life then u will find it in the Bible. If u r only looking for knowledge it will be of no use. U may know that tylenol cures headache and may even have a packet at home but unless u take it, your headache will not get cured. Unless u receive the word of God in your heart, it's of no use. By the way, Gen 1:2 also speaks of the condition of the heart of man before the light of God comes into his heart. That's the emptiness u feel, which only God can fill with his Light. I will explain later if u want, carry on with what u r doing. bye |
| le chef du nuit | Posted
on 04-Jun-03 06:07 PM
alright. believe jyu, this discussion has awakened a lot of ideas in me i thank you for this i will get back to you in a couple of days, when all my thoughts are in order. and it will be a long argument :) |
| rmb | Posted
on 04-Jun-03 06:27 PM
What you're saying is that God punished Adam and Eve for acting all innocent, and trying to shift the burden of guilt to God himself. All right, fine. But it's sort of haughty of God to proclaim himself the ruler of the universe. You didn't really answer Le Chef's question regarding God's haughtiness; you merely provided some quotes that are of no relevence to the question asked. We get punished because we don't believe in Him. So, you're telling me even someone like the Dalai Llama who has been moral all his life is gonna be sent straight to Hell for not believing in Christian God. That doesn't make much sense to me. And it seems to me that no matter how hard any religion tries to distance itself from anthropomorphism, it always fails. I see Christian God has human traits in him. Isn't God supposed to be above humans and aren't his qualities supposed to transcend that of humans? I don't see that from some quotes from the Bible that you posted. In the end however, the Bible is only a myth. Eve popping out of Adam( in other words he was a he-she before the incident took place) has striking resemblance to myths in other cultures. In Hinduism itself we have Shiva and Shakti that might be shown in such fashion. That aside, good vs evil, or morality are just human creations. For a cannibal in Papua New Guinea, eating a human is perfectly acceptable;for us it is not. Tell me though, according to the Bible, when did God create earth? It's been only a few thousand years, correct? Science completely proves that wrong. And also, tell me, why was the Heliocentric theory rejected by the Christians early on, when Galileo and Copernicus proposed it? |
| ziggy_l | Posted
on 04-Jun-03 07:11 PM
this is one interesting topic to read about. i jus wanna to put in some of ma thoughts n theories which are a little weird and outrageous(maybe not to little). well its for no one in particular. the question: Does God exist? In my opinion there is no God or the Almighty but there was someone who called himself God. Well maybe the holy books says dat a supreme being exists. n y does it say dat, coz some one long long time ago thought he saw and heard someone do a little "magic" trick(coz his ansestors had eaten the fruit of wisdom n knowldege rite!!) and he thought dat da "magician" someone who could do ne thing n the magician took advantage of da situation an proclaimed himself as god to reap the fruits of others. maybe he had dem worship his coz he could do "magic" tricks(u know make things appear n dissapear). n then someone wrote a story about him.n maybe the author of these books exgerrated a little so as to make it quite a thick book. n thats how u get the holy book(story book). it does say in one of the holy books that man was created in the image of god. so godly looks = layman looks. another theory can be that someone B.C n everyone saw, plz dont laugh, an ALIEN. maybe thats how he figured it was Rama/Vishnu to be in his flying chariot. (n rnt they supposed to be blue in color?? i mean they usually are depicted in dat skin color rite.) so rnt the aliens(shown in movies) usually blue/green in color. well maybe the person who saw god was a little color blind to see green to be blue. hehhe. ne ways. n remember the bright lights shining down frm heaven, well it could have been the lights frm da alien space craft. well dats jus a theory of mine. n i know its a really weird theory but hey ne thing is possible rite. n dat jesus was born from a virgin mother. man come on hows dat possible. if u dont have sex u dont expect to have a baby rite. except maybe da test tube baby thing. did they have it back then?? i wonder. n belive ji, a question for you. If god is the supreme being n knows everything, how did he not know dat satan would tempt Eve to eat the fruit frm da forbidden tree. n if he knew exactly wat was going to happen y did he do dat? i mean was he tired after creating the world so he gave his job to satan(part time) so he could rest n chill out n now he cant get his old job back. so he sends ppl every now and then to get him some votes. coz rite now satan is in control rite. "SATAN IS CONSIDERED THE KING OF THIS WORLD". well i think Gyanendra is doing a better job. n one more. Why the hell did God put an apple tree rite in da middle of da garden n even said dont eat the fruit of dat particular tree? n y couldnt it have been an orange tree. lol. check dis out. interesting: http://www.geocities.com/player2000gi/turin.htm peace. z_l |
| ziggy_l | Posted
on 04-Jun-03 07:15 PM
THE OLD TESTAMENT SANCTIONS INCEST. dats true. da first ever pornographic material dat i ever read in ma life was the one the where the daughter goes n has sex wit the father to produce babies. i was in grade 4 or 5.(well i studied in a christian school, n i hated those sunday chapels. dunno y it was compulsary) peace. z_l |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 05-Jun-03 12:37 PM
Yo Believe, Don't go cuckoo on me asking how many eyes I have ...ha ha ha Do I walk on four feet ? Negative captin'. And Did Ahhh say Ahh Look Like Jesusaa ??? Noooo. Ahh think ahh still have bit o of lock left on maaah head yep. But still not Jesus..zero points fur u..Whaaat now you're talkin about animals winking ? Mate what kinda pills u on ? Mann why u goota talk about shit ? ...Naaaasssty ...eeeewwww!!!My wife give birth to a robot ? Ahhh tooo many Sci-fi Movies Hullo !! Blood matches with other animals ?? Mate u heard of organ transplants ? He! he! Man is a man ummm ok !!! If every ceature did not bring forth its kind then there would be total kaos...imagine Donkeys breeding a mutaion of sheep Hmm that would be a sight ...Those are qualities imprinted on every human beings DNA.. not god given. We have almost identified all of human domain ..we just have not quite figured out the operating system for it yet. We all have our weaknesses and strength.... wha's new. Happy Video watching ? I didn't quite get that one...but hey...thats fine.....But still not convinced |
| believe | Posted
on 05-Jun-03 03:52 PM
Dear friends, I am glad to have increasing responses but as u know I am only one u guys have so many questions, I may not have enough time to answer all of your questions. I am an employee, God has said those who don't work has no right to eat, so I can't just leave my job and start answering all of your questions. Please forgive me for this :), if it sounds offensive. However, I will try to answer as many questions as possible, but more important thing is that, I will be happy to answer those friends who r looking for Peace, Joy and Salvation that God thru' Jesus wants to give. I think, a person may have a hight educational degree,a great job, good wife, high societal status but if he doesn't have peace then it's vanity. Period. If u differ, no arguements, good night, sorry :). I will not answer questions on religion, u do your own self-searching. If anyone wants to compare, your headache. I didn't write the Bible. Period. I have found Peace and Truth in Jesus, so it's plain. I want to share and discuss what is in the Bible so if u guys keep one King James Bible for yourself, then it'd be interesting and the discussion will flow in a logical trend. New friends may kindly have to read from the previous postings, it takes time to respond to same questions everytime. THOSE WHO WANT TO DISCUSS ON BIBLICAL VIEW & EVOLUTION THEORY MAY WATCH THE SEVEN VIDEOS. http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=real_video One more request, pl. don't draw conclusion by reading one sentence or one verse. God has given us a better understanding, use it. 'Satan is considered the king of this world', Satan doesn't mean a person with horns, or some weird faced object, or any human being. Satan was an angel of God who rebelled against God as a result he was fallen from heaven. Bible refers Satan as god of this world, prince of this world:2Corinth:4:4: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For Bitchpatrol: U HAVE TO ASK THAT QUESTION TO THE EVOLUTIONIST, COZ THEY EVEN BELIEVE THE STAR FISH TO BE THEIR ANCESTORS, THEY BELIEVE ORIGIN OF LIFE TO BE CHEMICAL SOUP AND THE ROCK, it differs from your view that u posted before. For Ziggy: Sorry, to hear your sad story. OT rejects incest, read:Le:18:4: Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God. Le:18:5: Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD. Le:18:6: None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD. Le:18:7: The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. Le:18:8: The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness. Le:18:9: The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. Le:18:10: The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness. you can further read on till the end and the next chapter. |
| believe | Posted
on 05-Jun-03 04:37 PM
For ziggy: Genesis:2:16: And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: Ge:2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. God doesn't punish without warning. Exodus:20:7: 'Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.'This verse means, when U talk something about God then you should be careful. God has also given the priviledge to make a choice to you. Good luck! I believe that if u can turn into a car by living in a garage for a few yrs then u can also become a christian by going to church/christian school/celebrating christmas/being born in a christian family/living in a christian community/bowing before jesus' idol etc...but unfortunately, it doesn't happen. Joh:3:1: There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: Joh:3:2: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Joh:3:3: Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Joh:3:4: Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Joh:3:5: Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Joh:3:6: That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Joh:3:7: Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Joh:3:8: The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Joh:3:9: Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? Joh:3:10: Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Joh:3:11: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. Joh:3:12: If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? Joh:3:13: And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. APOLOGY: In one of my posting, I mistyped, no one came for 'dharmis', I meant to say no one came for sinners (except Jesus). Please forgive me. Marks:2:17: When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Jesus didn't come for perfect and holy people, he came to save people who admitted their sins. I admitted my sins to Jesus as I did not find myself perfect and holy according to God's statutes, and by my deeds, I deserve to go to hell. But since Jesus paid the price for my sins in the cross and I received Him by faith, now I have forgiveness, peace and salvation. Those who are righteous and perfect do not need Jesus but those who confess their sins, Jesus will save them! |
| believe | Posted
on 05-Jun-03 04:51 PM
Yo bitchpatrol, sorry i didn't made clear about the video. here's the link. u can download in your computer or burn a cd or whatever. It answers about evolution, creation and dinosaurs. There r 7 videos, and r a bit elaborative, be patient and watch those videos carefully. U will get your answers. take care :) http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=real_video When r u getting your Bible (Kings James Version), so that we can have a better discussion? |
| believe | Posted
on 05-Jun-03 05:58 PM
lcdn ji, "and please, a plea. i know that you believe in the power of the lord and his son jesus christ, and i respect that. however, i hope you do realize that when you are arguing with someone who does not, in fact, take the bible to be the word of the lord, quoting the bible is not the best way to win your case. " my answer: I don't bring my words to you, if I bring my words to u then the testimony of the Lord is not in me. I bring God's word to you because God has more to do with u than i have to do with you.Eze:3:17: Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. Eze:3:18: When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Eze:3:19: Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. Eze:3:20: Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Eze:3:21: Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul. I have not even met u but hey,look what God says, Isa:49:15: Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Isa:49:16: Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me. Jer:31:3: The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee. You will be remembered in my prayers. |
| le chef du nuit | Posted
on 05-Jun-03 09:07 PM
the one thing i sieze on i agree with you when you say that if one dosent have peace, its all in vain. heres my take on things. you do not always need to believe to achieve this peace it could come through understanding and as i see it, in a universe of change, an absolute looks out of place. |
| acharya | Posted
on 05-Jun-03 09:35 PM
I know, I know, but was Jesus still GAY? |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 06-Jun-03 02:22 PM
Ahhh Hah, I see that you're working it. Aiigh thats cool...I have read the Bible for your kind info(that too for a class..which is more elaborate than just reading). I could not see any difference in Bible than any other story book. When asked questions about the practicality of the Bible the experts always seem to revert to faith. You tell me pardna ...what is faith. Like why Jesus' body was never found. Ohh yeah he went to heaven. Its easy to say but the PROOF ohhh yeah you have to have faith to believe that. And you still haven't addressed the so called Miracles(better than those arabian nights stories) how did he bring the dead back ? the fish and wine incident..Are you sure he did not pull a David Copperfield or maybe his desciples added a lil exta extra to make it look out of the ordinary. I am sorry ma fren I have no time to listen to another zealous Christian fanatic explaining how the theory of evolution is not possible. Its really hypocritical of Christianity to use all the benefits from science like the medical, ecological, to economical then reject the facts that clash with their belief. Without the help of science the society will not be what it is today. If the church folks had their choice they would rather controll all aspectsof our lives ....like during the Dark Ages when it controlled everything(govermental, social, economical, and psychological). The church owned Europe during those times.... It chastized everything other than Christian veiw to be the work of the Devil... and persecuted them....What do you have to say to that my fren....DO NOT JUST BLINDLY READ THE BIBLE..... |
| believe | Posted
on 06-Jun-03 10:05 PM
LCDN jyu, I agree with u when u say that peace comes thru' UNDERSTANDING.' When this darkened understanding is enlightened, we realize that ..this peace and eternal life is in Jesus. In Ecclesiastes(Bible), we come across Solomon, the King, renowned in history for his great wisdom. He decided to use that wisdom to discover the meaning of life-and he experienced everything imaginable in his quest. Still, he came up empty: Read Eccl 1:13-18. Then he gave himself wholeheartedly to fun and pleasure and companions. But the parties, the wine and the laughter left him empty. (Eccl1:1-3,11). Then he decided to turn his energies to creative work. He reasoned, if he works hard and stay busy he'll find peace of mind. He built mansions-expensive architectural masterpieces. He amassed a fortune in gold and silver, prize cattle and the very best art collection of his day. He maintained a harem of the most beautiful women in all the world. Yet still, something was missing from Solomon's life. He had everything a human being could want, and it made him sic. He got bored with it all. he ended up saying, Ec:2:17: "Therefore I hated life; because the work that is wrought under the sun is grievous unto me: for all is vanity and vexation of spirit." Inspite of his unbelievable wealth, success and popularity, Solomon hit rock bottom. he said, "My work didn't make me happy...or anything else I tried, so I ended up in total despair...I couldn't sleep at night and my mind had no rest...It was all emptiness,"(Eccl 2:20-23). Even now, that same sense of boredom and frustration grips our society. In spite of pursuing everything life has to offer, they experience only an unshakable depression. Few people can explain why they feel so down and empty. They drag on year after year, simply enduring their lives-never knowing real fulfillment. They end up convincing themselves that life is meant to be a series of heartbreaks, interspersed only occasionally by brief moments of peace and joy. Till years ago, I had been going thru' same emptiness and bitterness of heart. I did everything this age had to offer to fill this emptiness. I ended up being a chain-smoker, coughed till I saw blood in my sputum, was a good science student though, used to scoff at Bible, drank till I vomited, heavy metal fan( u know ac/dc, iron maiden, judas priest , gn'r and stuff), parties, if someone were trying to know Christ, I gave my best effort to bring him back by my scientific reasoning until one day; i heard two verses from the Bible(my first encounter): "Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm and whose heart departeth from the LORD," Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD and whose hope the LORD is," (Jeremiah 17:5,7) Cont..on the next message box.. |
| believe | Posted
on 06-Jun-03 10:51 PM
(Contd...) Those 2 verses wrecked my heart. I felt that God was speaking to me with those verses. I looked at my life, it had become a mess, all my effort to be happy, trusting in others and leading a proud sinful and hopless life. I wanted to know this God of Bible, so I asked for a Bible from one person. I spent hours in it. I prayed and I was surprised to get my prayers being answered. As I started knowing Jesus, I began to see myself more clearly and began to hate myself for the kind of person I had become. I started rejoicing in his word, he was making me a new person out of me. I asked him for forgiveness for my sins and received him as my savior and now,belive it or not, I have that Peace and fulfillment. He has said,'John:14:27: "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." His Peace doesn't keep me away from disease,troubles, temptations and physical death; but I always find Him in all the walks of my life and that is the Peace that I have found in Him. I don't see peace as a still waters, or some good pleasing momentary pleasure or a mountain scenary. In fact, I see it as a storm trying to wreck the boat in the sea, but still I am not troubled at heart coz I am with the LORD my savior who is always with me. And one day, when I die, I have this hope with me,Revelations:21:4: And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Re:21:5: And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Re:21:6: And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. ..................... Joh:4:14: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. ...................... 1John:5:20: And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an UNDERSTANDING, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 12:05 AM
Please stop repeating these verses like a parrot... anyone who can read read those verses. But do you have the intelligence to process and interpret those words, do they make sense and is it practical to this day and age that is the question..... |
| le chef du nuit | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 04:30 AM
believe jyu, i havent been reading the bible as i said i would, but ive been doing some thinking nevertheless. if you could email me at ajaya@truman.edu, i would like to discuss some revelations that i have think i have had |