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| allare | Posted
on 30-May-03 01:34 AM
Prime Minister Lokendra Bahadur Chand has tendered his resignation to His Majesty King Gyanendra and the king has accepted his resignation. is this good news or bad news?? |
| tobasco | Posted
on 30-May-03 01:45 AM
good news for madhav and girija as they still see the chance....bad news for nepalis as the political unstability is never going to end........GOD help Nepal!! the million dollar question.....who u think is eligible for the new PM? |
| allare | Posted
on 30-May-03 01:54 AM
rumour is that Surya bahadur thapa will be next PM. if so then, it will put more fuel in fire. I would like to see some new face as new PM. Who can be that? Daman nath dhungana?? Tara nath Ranabhat? or PS Rana? or why not BRB? |
| GP | Posted
on 30-May-03 02:00 AM
Now is the turn of BRB at right moment when other parties are struggling to get rid of CIAA's catch-askBankguaranteearound 4:45pm- send to jail by 5pm for at-least one night. Now, BRB seems to be the only who should get chance so that he can prove his strength of running the country, not country side. So, lets remember the following quote: (dedicated to Nepali leaders): "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but, if you want to test a man's character, give him power". --- Abraham Lincoln. As we have witnessed how Nepali Congress leaders and UML amessed public property when they got power. .... Let us see BRB's power.... Unfortunately, the experimentation on "jun jogi aye pani kanai chireka". GP |
| GP | Posted
on 30-May-03 02:05 AM
It is easy to be in oppositions' panel, and its in the same degree difficult to be on governing party, especially, of a natural resource poor country like nepal. Make BRB the next PM. At least it will stop 7years blood sucking fight. GP |
| SA | Posted
on 30-May-03 02:09 AM
Most probable candidate is Surya Bahadur Thapa (as the madia rumor goes). But nati jarnel (PSRana) is there to challenge SBT. There is also possibility of inviting maoists to join the cabinet, offering deputy PM to BRB. Anyway, this is good news for democracy. Lately, by taking strong stand against the seemingly regressive moves of palace, NC and UML somehow managed to repair their image. And this development has given legitimacy to their movement. Threatening call of republic by NC/UML leaders and resignation of palace's henchman could not be just a coincidence. If so, it should surely be a VERY BAD news for NEO-MANDALES. SR |
| allare | Posted
on 30-May-03 02:10 AM
GP, do you really believe that if BRB will be PM then 7 years of blood sucking fight will be over? do not you see the chance of these UML and NC going to jungle and taking the place of maoist? Anyway, I agree with quote, "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but, if you want to test a man's character, give him power" and want to see BRB leading nepal. this is also chance to see maoist coming to implementation from idea. |
| tobasco | Posted
on 30-May-03 02:34 AM
"If so, it should surely be a VERY BAD news for NEO-MANDALES." i am thinking about PM's advisor mr. sharad chandra shah...what might he be thinking right now...."4 din ki chandani fir andheri raat"...:) |
| Kancho | Posted
on 30-May-03 04:11 AM
Arko Halla is Tara nath Rana Bhat! Btw, another Friday katha! |
| sparsha | Posted
on 30-May-03 05:18 AM
The King may very much like to have BRB as the PM (to counter NC/UML) but I don't see that happening. Not that I am an expert in politics, but I also don't see any reason why should the opposition accept BRB as the PM as well. Seeing BRB as the PM is a worse scenario to NC/UML than seeing Chand as the PM. SBT may be a candidate but having him as the PM won't solve anything unless the govt. is a multi-party one. So, the govt. should be headed either by NC or UML to diffuse the tension. A multi-party govt. is better. Maoists should also be included if they are willing at this stage. Peace should not be an option. We should give peace the first priority. I personally don't like GPK or Makune. They are the symbols of failure leadership to me. I am not sure about Taranath's leadership. I liked his position in defying his party's call to convene the meeting of ex-lawmakers. I would rather support Taranath or Damannath than GPK or Jhalanath over Makune. Now, it will be fun to see how these so called leaders who were even calling for republic Nepal bowing before the king doing swastis. |
| jaya_nepal | Posted
on 30-May-03 06:00 AM
The resignation of PM Chand is yet another turn in the Nepali Democracy. This is a misfortune for the peace of Nepal and Nepali people. Everything was moving smoothly, the govt-maoist talks, CIAA, JIPC, law and order was maintained, just that the political leaders were unable to fool around with the Nepali people and hence the popular movement against the King - the country actually. Well, now the question raises for the next week. Shaileja Acharya is the most convincible and appropriate candidate for this post. Her part politics has been always been away from any kid of controversies, and it has been seen that she has been away from the political movement - hence closer to the monarch. Her performance in the past has also been appreciable. She would be the best candidate for the future of Nepal and the Nepali. |
| Shiva Shiva!! | Posted
on 30-May-03 07:37 AM
HOHO GURU, BISWO & PASCHIM ko thoughts haru ke cha ni? |
| Yadav | Posted
on 30-May-03 07:39 AM
HOHO guru re? ;) |
| Shiva Shiva!! | Posted
on 30-May-03 08:08 AM
HaaHooGuru!! |
| Yadav | Posted
on 30-May-03 08:11 AM
Haina, HO HO guru doesn't sound that bad either! ki kaso? :) |
| utopian | Posted
on 30-May-03 08:12 AM
It is a very saddening event that has left the country in, yet again, another chaos. There were some improvements in the situation of the country which now will go downhill. "Life is not fair", it says and yet again, it is proven one more time. The crooks and the stupids in the form of Girija and Makune and their followers, once again, will get an opportunity to take the country into turmoil. It is indeed very saddening... Biggest sadness is not PM Chand's resignation but it is the momentary (as we don't know the future yet) win of the crooks and the stupids. Very saddening... My request to King GBBS, kick those crooks and stupids out of the country. Only then, the country will regain its peace and prosperity. |
| orion | Posted
on 30-May-03 08:29 AM
Chand was bound to go given the cirsumstances of his appointment which was a big bone of contention between the King and the parties. I think it is a good thing for the country as it opens up the door for possible reconciliation between the King and the parties. The King and the parties have started talking and hopefully if they can co-opt the Moaists we may start to see the end of insurgency and instability in Nepal. It is a quadri-polar Nepal today - with the NC,UML,Maoists and the King each a significant player in Nepalese politics and all must be included in the political process for genuine stability to come to Nepal. Anything that brings all the political forces of the country together is a good for the country and I hope our leaders will take this opportunity to bring peace and stability to Nepal. |
| orion | Posted
on 30-May-03 08:44 AM
Perhaps the decision of the main parties to prefer a republic to an active Moanrchy forced the King to act ... http://www.kantipuronline.com/kpost_html/kp_frontpg.htm#Parties prefer republic to active monarchy |
| sparsha | Posted
on 30-May-03 08:44 AM
"My request to King GBBS, kick those crooks and stupids out of the country." They would love that. If the King does what you are asking for then you are *requesting* the king to do an extensive favor to the crooks you are referring to. These socalled leaders can only be kicked by thier voters and nobody else. They-LEADERS- will only wither to a certain extent when their voters say "NO" to them right on their face. Unfortunately, majority of the voters are not well into political process in Nepal. [Just voting is not enough]. So, these damn leaders keep exploiting them and claim to represent those whom they don't even recognize. Sad. |
| sparsha | Posted
on 30-May-03 08:47 AM
Anyone can say things after the fact. Prediction with reasoning that comes true holds significance. |
| Bond-007 | Posted
on 30-May-03 10:55 AM
"He wants to spend more time with his family and pursue his passion i.e. writing." Singha Durbar spokesman "Sarad Chandra Fleischer" |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 30-May-03 11:10 AM
PM's resignation is a smart move to avert the current crisis in Nepal. Still a lot of challenge to any PM in unravelling messes there. We need leaders with vision.. bhunte |
| Bond-007 | Posted
on 30-May-03 11:20 AM
-------We need leaders with vision------- Couldn't agree more!! |
| Biswo | Posted
on 30-May-03 11:24 AM
>BISWO & PASCHIM ko thoughts haru ke cha ni? Well, seems my thought is in demand!! :-) Let's face it: the victors share the spoils. Madhav Nepal might sound a name of bad taste to some, but he is the man for the job rightnow. Girija has also accepted him. He is not tainted, well, at least I don't remember any major issue in which his name was dragged, and CIAA doesn't have any problem with him either. Anyone out of the five party coalition is out of question. Rohit sounds good name to me, but alas he is not the man for that job. Talking about Sher Bdr Deuba, Taranath Ranabhat is also a waste of time. The victory, this time, shouldn't be of any people but five political parties staging the election. They were the only people having guts to go to people. Weird names like Hariyali, Samata etc. etc. should pack up their bag and go to the villages to woo people from now on. People need to understand that just by setting up a tent and putting up signboard of a party in front of them doesn't make them eligible for being minister. Putting Surya Bdr Thapa or Pashupati Rana in that post won't solve the problem. Mr Thapa is, btw, more anti-Gyanendra than a lot of us presume. In 2040 Ashar, his government was overthrown in a set-up no confidence motion trial in Rastriya Panchayat, and he always blamed 'bhumigat giroha' for that. Although he was not very forthright about what that meant, one of the MPs who supported him during the vote of confidence in Rastriya Panchyat, Govinda Uprety of Kavre(?), didn't mince his words in a press conference later.Mr Uprety reportedly told in a press conference to the journalists that "I dare you to write this in paper: Bhumigat Giroha is the clique headed by the brothers of King: Gyanendra and Dhirendra". Surya Bahadur Thapa, on the other hand, according to the rumours of political circle in KTM, did perform a kind of Yagya later, in which he smeared his forehead with black 'tilak' and promised to take the revenge with the royal family, some said he promised to destroy the royal family. The king also has some alternatives. If he wants to go to the direction of confrontation, he can appoint his bharautes like Sharad Chandra Shah as PM, and wait as long as he can rule like that. He can look at the junta of Burma as his inspiration, who are still ruling after invalidating the election of 1988. And what exactly the new government, provided it will be formed with previously elected leaders, is supposed to do? Election. The general election, the local election. Even the US has already organized the elections in cities of Iraq. And , frankly, I also hope CIAA will continue its work, but perhaps more in an apolitical spirit. |
| baula | Posted
on 30-May-03 11:31 AM
No conclusive results from the talks, hope sanibar ko din puja garera auncha and have a new PM, pashupatinath le sabai ko rakhsa garcha, |
| Bond-007 | Posted
on 30-May-03 11:53 AM
Have any of us heard of these people lately? 1) Dr. Bhek Bahadur Thapa 2) Dr. Harkha Gurung 3) Kulashekhar Sharma Are they qualified to lead us through this mess? (oops!! even I started writing politics, soon I will feel sorry for that though.) |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 30-May-03 12:12 PM
Bond ji, They won't be accepted as 'netas' and may be labeled as technocrats bhunte |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 30-May-03 12:15 PM
Dr Bhek Bahadur Thapa would be the best choice. An all rounder. Trained by Prof. Merril Goodall. One of the best bureacurats and definatley the most successful diplomat HMG ever had. Now ambassador in India. Dr. Harka Gurung: Academician, well known. his only problem is that he is jack of all and master of none. Has a vision but doesn't know the know-how to implent his vision. Can talk about anything ranging from the Ethnic Minorities of China to the problems of Sherpa climbers. Minister for Commerce in the 70's. Knows how to "play" with India (and that's his PLUS point), and says, Nepal has to do away with the 14 anchal 75 jilla and go for confideration. 3. Kulashekhar Sharma: Rastra Bank's governor, ambassador to the US, a well known bureaucrat and later the chairman of the Pay-Commission. Good choice, but is quite old. heard he spends more time in ayodhya than in kathmandu. |
| Logical Sense | Posted
on 30-May-03 12:38 PM
IFju, I am with you regarding Dr. Thapa. My main point is though he shined during Panchayat Raj but, he deeply believes in demorcacy and thinks there is no turning back. And he is not a simple yes man, he uses his brain. -iti |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 30-May-03 12:49 PM
LS/IF, but do you guys think nepali congress or UML party caders would accept DrBBT as PM? I wonder what will happen to maoist issue? Would they be in coaliton govt or back to war? Things are delicate and getting complicated, but let's be optimistic. Hope for best, bhunte |
| deep | Posted
on 30-May-03 12:56 PM
Faaas stri pardhan mantri bhanera shailaja didi lai banaidim na. hunna? feri Girija babau tin bitta ufrine ho ki ? kohi nabhaye neta harulai laainai rakham euta euta number diyera --- gola partha bata jo parchha parchha--ki haina bhane aade paade noon chhade garam. katai koi nabhetya khanda ma heri ma ta chhadai chhu. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 30-May-03 01:05 PM
Dr. Bhek Bahadur Thapa ccan do it. if the congressis object, which they will, it will only prove to the world that they are a bunch of politicians turned jokers. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 30-May-03 01:33 PM
deep, shailaja is 200000000000000% better than Girija and his nautanki gang. So, i'll vote for her. |
| allare | Posted
on 30-May-03 02:49 PM
Dr. BBT is good option if UML and NC can accept him, but i doubt. In current scenario, Dr. BRB has no chance, but i would love to see him as PM of nepal in coming days. I guess, some one from his party ( may be mahara) will join new govt. Sailja is not either bad choice, as she has her own vision and far better than GPK and Makune. I believe, bhatatatatatata, taranath ranabhat will be bad choice and i doubt that even NC will not accept him as PM, as GPK was saying that NC will take action agaist him for not obeying party decision. I do not see any body good from UML who can be suitable for PM job.(if anyone remembers then, he said to GBBS that he would like to be PM from parliament election rather than kripa of king, and lets see where these ppl stands now) What about kritinidhi bista ? He can also be very good choice. Je bhaye pani , jo bhaye pani, corrupt politician(all of us knows who are they by now) should not be given PM job. BTW, I am really very happy with Chanda's move. He really deserve lots of praise for his all attempt to call all party meeting time to time(though not successful) and trying to solve maoist problem to some extent and to bring them in table. Three cheers for Chanda.and to Pun also for playing significant role in peace process. |
| Biswo | Posted
on 30-May-03 02:49 PM
Hi folks, Let's not beat around the bush: if anyone of those people you people are suggesting can be PM, that will be only if the five parties agree. When the king had the chance to pick PM and ministers, he picked the one he liked. People like Kuber Sharma, Chanda, and others some of whom I don't even remember now.[I guess their 15 minutes of glory is over by now!] And people like Sharma , Thapa, Gurung didn't feature in that 'safaa' 'swachha' mantrimandal. Now we need a strong person with strong party base. If we again bring people with no party base, most of his time will be spent shuttling along the houses of the leaders of major political parties to keep them happy. Hey, we are not looking for a mediator, we are looking for a strong Prime Minister who can not be easily bullied. Frankly, I see no other than Madhav Nepal for now. We also need a prime minister who can tell the palace that some of those ordinances, especially the one increasing the annual budget allocated to the palace, need to be nullified. He also needs to tell the king that the 'maryadakram' should be corrected, PM and ministers should be placed above likes of Mohan Bdr Singh and Avinash Singh and I don't know whoelse [in-laws of king], and that all that is left for king Gyanendra to do from now is to take care of his nice, little baby grandson Hridayendra so that he doesn't follow the example set by prince Paras and becomes a good citizen of the nation of Nepal in future. |
| allare | Posted
on 30-May-03 02:53 PM
in above post, by mean of "he" in UML case, i was refering to Makune. If Makune will be PM, then UML will be like NC very soon as there are many deuba in UML who will not wait for long time. And we have seen, how far Makune can mange his own party, leave the nation alone. |
| bhunte | Posted
on 30-May-03 03:09 PM
GPK may be the interim PM this time (probably last chance in his life). Do you think anyone will object this move?...just a guess peace 
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| villagevoice | Posted
on 30-May-03 04:10 PM
The Kings cabinet ultimately collapsed under the growing weight of illegitimacy. Even assuming that the King started out with a fair bit of good will that the 2001 royal massacre is history and all that - some of his moves smack of political arrogance. Look at his governments public face, for example. Mr. Sharad Chandra Shah, the prime ministers advisor. The Babus who suffered the most after the restoration of democracy in 1990 made a strong unmeritocratic comeback. (Nothing against any group of people, really. I do understand that we all come from somewhere.) And heres one little irony. Mr. Deepak Gyawali, who famously championed politics of exclusion before he became the minister, was silent right through his tenure as a member of the Kings cabinet while his colleagues went on a rampage against political parties. Its one thing to run after corrupt politicians but something else to dissmiss political parties altogether. (I do however still believe that Mr. Gyawali could have beenstill can be if they let him stay on and he does decide to stay onperhaps the most efficient minister of water resources in recent times.) But its in Minister for Communications and General Admn, Rameshnath Pandey that I see a classic Babu: hes polished (let's give him credit for that), he has elevated the art of doublespeak to a new height, lacks any constituency or holds a very narrow one at best. This man talks profusely of press freedom while privately hounding individual journalists for their beliefs. But heres a bigger concern. If political parties now think that they have won the war, why, its only a little battle that they have overcome. The war in fact has only begun. The Maoists are still around; King is still a force to reckon with; we are a deeply divided nation. We need a leader, a statesman. The Nepali people are battered and bruised; they want someone to come forward and comfort them, heal their wounds. If anything, the anti-corruption campaign has to continue with renewed urgency and many of our politicians, once found guilty, should be banished from public life. That would be a good beginning. It would give us a lot to cheer about. That a new generation of leaders would have something to fear of. Do our parties have a road map? I hope so. We have already lost a lot of time. To begin with, the last thing Nepalis would like to see now is a fight among our politicians for PM's chair and cabinet berths. |
| villagevoice | Posted
on 30-May-03 04:14 PM
Pls read: Mr. Gyawali who famously championed politics of INCLUSION. |
| Biswo | Posted
on 30-May-03 04:55 PM
Villagevoice, I agree with you. We definitely need a leader with charisma to charm all people, and heal our wounds. We need a leader with vision, who can foster th environment of mutual tolerance, who can look at the horizon and decide at the present, and who can bring the nation together. The monarchy remains a dividing force, so do Maoists. Everyone knows that the only reason why both Babu Ram and the king are talking to Girija P. Koirala and Madhav Nepal is because they know, deep inside, that these two people are the leaders of the most popular parties in Nepal. Let's have no qualm about that. Babu Ram salvaged some of his political credit by giving pro-five-parties communique somedays ago, and it is time Maoists also stop their bull---- about 'talking with representatives of king'. I mean, come on, that is by now such an old cliche that they probably don't believe in it themselves. If talking with represantatives of the king would solve the problem, why were five parties sought so many times during the tenure of Khetala council of ministers by both Maoists and Khetaalaa dudes[Surya B. Thapa gave a real good Rumsfieldsesque-name]? Time to revive local bodies, announce elections even if Maoists don't want to take part in it. When the talk with Maoists become successful, one can always dissolve the parliament and have a new election. The talk may be long, may be short, no one knows. But people need their men in power. Although it will take time to cleanse the nation of garbages produced by this Khetaalaa government and its unknown coward advisors whom we may discover slowly, government should also do a lot of other things. CIAA , Election Commission, Lok Sewa Aayog need to be made stronger, fully equipped than ever, and independent. The public confidence on governance will be only enhanced by the strengthening of these institutes. |
| noname | Posted
on 30-May-03 06:14 PM
Before forwarding name of PMs, lets think of some other issues. Political parties have revived the Parliament. If this is win of the political parties, and any or all of them are going to lead the government, first job will be to restore the Parliament. **** Taranath Ranabhat's statement is unconstitutional. " Parliament is such an institution, where king and peoples representatives work together for the maximum welfare of the people," Taranath Ranabhat (TKP, May 30, 2003). Does a constitutional king have such a role in the Parliament? Our constitution has defined Parliament as constituting The King, Lower House and Upper House. Role of the King, as constitutional monarch, is formal and is required to assent to all Bills. And the stark difference with active monarch is here: the role of a constitutional monarch in the enactment of legislation is purely formal, and is expected to sign all the bills although he has can consult with others (King Birendra consulted supreme court in the issue of citizenship), and warn (King Birendra used to write letters demanding attention of executive, not legislative, in some issues). Besides, the king opens parliamentary session by reading a speech, drafted by the government, in joint session of both houses. The constitution did not envisage role of the king as working together with people's representative, as defined by Ranabhat. So, he should be relieved from the post of speaker. Rest, thapdai garaula! |
| Sadabichar | Posted
on 30-May-03 06:36 PM
Why Shailaja? People say that she used to be or is a mistress of Chandra Shekhar... is it true? |
| sparsha | Posted
on 30-May-03 06:47 PM
VillageVoice, Even though I don't agree with you all the way, you are the first one in this sajha community I found echoed my sentiment. I can pretty much agree with you with very little reservation to hold back. I found your take very balanced and relevant. I was a bit tired of listeniing the same "bhakti sangeet" here on political matters, ideologies and even byakti pooja in the name of whatever. One sided views usually irritate me. I felt so relaxed after reading you. Nepal needs a strong leader with no tainted image, no doubt. The leader should be humble but bold enough in dealing with all the palyers (the King,the RNA, political parties, and the people). It's the call of the time that a multiparty government be put into effect. So, the blame game can remain in the lower zone. I don't suggest Makune but I have little hope that he will step aside and let somebody else from his party to be the PM. I detest GPK, so I am not for him as well. I wish a new generation leader could rise and lead the government. But I don't see that happening either. Top leadership in both major parties are crushing the aspiring young leadership (so I feel). I hope peace will prevail and we all can work together and see our country shining peacefully on the globe. |
| Biswo | Posted
on 30-May-03 06:51 PM
nonameji, >Parliament is such an institution, where > king and peoples representatives work >together for the maximum welfare of >the people What a definition Mr Ranabhat gave? Sounds like some economist defining a new concept. -- Shailaja is not fit to be PM. First of all, Shailaja wasn't even elected to PM, for god's sake. She put up such a tantrum before the last election election that I would say that was a travesty of popular democracy. In multiparty democracy, it is the election that defines a leader's stature, Krishna P. Bhattarai notwithstanding. Let's take an example of Modnath Prashrit and Bamdev Gautham. Before 2046, Prashrit was some kind of Gorkey of Nepal's left movement, Gautam was nobody.After 2046, Gautam won election, and charmed his cadres to rise up the ladder of leadership, while Prashrit never won an election. And also, anyone who didn't actively support the people's movement II shouldn't even think of becoming PM. Bira Bhogya Basundhara.. Beating about the brush is useless. Mr Nepal will be PM. I am not a fan of Mr Nepal, but he deserves it this time. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 30-May-03 06:52 PM
Sparsha ji, What do you think about opening a political party of youths.... bhunte |
| noname | Posted
on 30-May-03 07:00 PM
Shailaja is not palatible to all. She refrained from joining the current movement because of her stance against communists. Major forces in the current democratic movement are left - communist to be precise - and they are never going to accept her name. Taranath Ranabhat: The reason he declined to join the current movement is not because he is against the communists. It's because he is opportunist. An opportunist should not lead the country in transition. Further, he has shown his limit and has earned nick 'BHataat'. He should be ruled out, obviously. Girija: Oh, no.....not again! Bhesh Bahadur Thapa, Harka Gurung, .....: What we need now is a political leader - a statesman, not a buerocrat, not a technocrat....! They can be good actors, not director! Surya Thapa, PSJB: How come a rightist again? The movement is lead by leftists, 50 percent - although it may be gross exageration, but there is some element of truth - is controlled by another hard liner leftists. Let some one with left background rule the country. But, again...if the parliament has been resurrected, let the parliament decide next PM. Why the parties are running towards the palace? |
| sparsha | Posted
on 30-May-03 08:22 PM
I don't think Parliament will resurrect. What are we talking about here? disslove as you wish and revive as you wish? It's been more than a year since the parliament is vacant. Fresh election should send representatives now. Nepal needs to adopt presidential sort of system. The PM should be elected directly by the people not the parliament. SInce the PM won't be a member of the parliament, he/she won't and shouldn't have any right to dissolve the assembly. A poor country like ours can't afford to run election every other year. An elected PM can form his/her own cabinet with the approval of the parliament. The PM can only be removed either by impeachment, from the parliament of course, or by callback provision (rare case) from the voters. Obviously, if the PM resigns or is incapaciated then there should be a provison who will replace him/her until the term expires. The King cannot kickout such PM. Bhunte, There are plenty of young dedicated Nepalis in the existing parties. I just wish they would rise defying their corrupt and lousy leadership. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 30-May-03 08:33 PM
sparsha, but youths are scattered in so many mushroomy parties ni ta. no united voice from them. sailaja, deuba, ramchandra jasta haru ta youth hum bhanera claim garchhan..yini haru sabbai ko nati natina khelaune bela bhayo.khoi ke bhanne aba...ehehehe actually we need a political system like in USA where one can't be a president for more than two terms. hamro sabai sansad jyu haru lai pani tyo niyem laune parne...ehehe bhunte |
| GP | Posted
on 30-May-03 08:46 PM
The tragedy with our political parties for their inability to name a new PM is that: all of them want Somebody to nominate them. Deoba wants his govt. back. Girija wants his parliament back. Makune expects Girija to tell King that "please, nominate Makune as PM". Girija is not going to that, because Girija himself expects to be next PM of Nepal. .... So, the body language is troubling to exactly locating who can be everyone's choice. GP |
| jaya_nepal | Posted
on 30-May-03 08:47 PM
The NC and UML and other parties are united at this moment against the monarch's October 4 move. They would no longer be united when it comes to the post of PM. Neither of the parties would compromise. Whether Dr Thapa or anyone else is made the PM, none would satisfy. Well, Dr Bhek Bahadur Thapa would be a good choice. When I last visited the Nepali Embassy in New Delhi, everyone was thrilled by Dr Thapa.Everything was under control there, no one was seen fooling around there, and everyone doing some work. I hope Dr Thapa would definitely set Nepal on a right track if the Koirala, MaKuNe and others does not ineterfere with the day to day governance and support the government for the development and peace for the nation. Whoever becomes PM, no matter Thapa or Acharya, the political leaders have to support them to maintain peace and law and order. After this government, if they come with new issues and mess around with the government they should all be tied and shot in Tundikhel. They would atleast be called "Shahid" if not culprits of the nation. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 30-May-03 08:57 PM
nepal ko political parties=bandar (monkeys) bander le aafno ghar ni banau daina, aru lai pani ghar banauna dindaina.. and we just saw that. the chand government ahd its own flaws but depite all that, it was moving towards the right direction. the political parties never attended the all-party meeting called by Chand, yet said they are responsiuble and janata ko netas. Also,if the governmnet is an all party one, the whole peace process will come to a total halt because the political parties do not want Peace and Stability in the nation. Its our sheer misfortune that we never had any nationalist leader and a leader who can think beyond his/her personal interests. Kirti Nidhi and others still remain good choices but as always these parties are dying to ride on those Kalo motors which they blocked from the Streets in the name of jana-andolaan. Madhav Nepal is the most indecisive leader of all. He does not know what he is talking about. I would rather support KP OLI or Bamdev or even Ishwar Pokharel than MaKuNe who is good and misleading people. Some of his famous Quotes are: 1. sankat kaal ko nirnaya prati hamro alochanatmak samarthan cha 2. Dhara 128 ko marma ra bhawana anurup ko sarva daliya sarkar hunu parcha, tara Dhara 128 prayog garna hundaina 3. Girija Koirala lai Akhtiyar le bolaunu bhaneko andolaan bhadne sadyantra ho. Pratigami haru ko sadyantra ho. Unless the Nepali politics is able to cleanse itself from GIrija-ism--do anything to sit on that comfy chair--Nepal will .. well, remain as it is now. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 30-May-03 09:02 PM
MaKuNe who is good and misleading people= good at |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 30-May-03 09:09 PM
Jaya Nepal, I fully, wholeheartedly agree with your view. Dr. Thapa is a very capable man, but I don't think someone educated and non-agressive kind will be able to deal with murkha-napadheko-nalekheko and gunda-dada netas! So, his term will be a failure. The Girija-is haunting Nepal has many similarities with Laloo-ism, so..Its either the Guru himself or his Chela (Nepal) will be our next PM. I am hust curious: these political parteies say they represent people, but they never say how many members are there in their parties. How many people are the NC members? how many members does the UML have? any idea anyone? |
| sparsha | Posted
on 30-May-03 09:47 PM
It's no surprise that Makune is proposed by five parties for the PM job. Let's see how he works now. I will certainly give him due credit if he can maintain peace in the nation, hold election and prove that he deserves to be a or the leader of Nepal and Nepali people. I don't like his leadership but I am willing to give him one more chance to prove. When I say "I am willing to give", that is for myself. It's easy to shout on the street and oppose. His achievements/failures will define him. |
| GP | Posted
on 30-May-03 10:04 PM
So, lets remember the following quote: (dedicate it now to Makune): "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but, if you want to test a man's character, give him power". --- Abraham Lincoln. |
| GP | Posted
on 30-May-03 10:07 PM
I wonder whether Makune will say "NO" to this chance. We all remember the "NO" to join the investigation when Birendra family were killed. This time he will be examined. The biggest loosers if Makune becomes PM, will be Maobadies. Its very difficult to find border line between Maobaids and Amale. For me, maobaid and amale cadres differ only on carrying gun or not. |
| VillageVoice | Posted
on 30-May-03 11:10 PM
Biswo and Sparsha, tks. IF, I do agree with you that Mukune, the prime minister in waiting, has never been a decisive leader. Indeed, he has a history of sidestepping major issues, the most recent one being his withdrawal from the fact-finding commission convened to probe the royal massacre. But unlike Chand, who is equally indecisive, Mukune has a solid constituency that he's accountable to. That should at least be a saving grace. I am cautiously optimistic. I hope the political parties have learned their lessons. As for the Chand govt, it was more a question of legitimacy than efficiency. At least to me. And I am well aware that many others hold different views. That's fine by me. |
| Biswo | Posted
on 30-May-03 11:49 PM
It is so silly thing to say that 'parties didn't come up with one candidate'. I mean, come on, guys , wake up, and check the reality. Not all parties can come up with one candidate, not if you put Mandal, Deuba, Samata, Pasupati, Hariyali, whatever whatever among the herds. The major parties who had guts to go to people after being out have one voice, and we all know what that is. To think that NC, UML etc will stop movement after making Badri Mandal etc. Prime minister is pipedream. It was a stage-managed meeting designed to focus on differences. Nothing else. Gyanendra Maharaj has no interest in solving problem and giving people back their right, and he is exercising the same thing that his father used to do once: [try to]divide and [by amplifying the supposed division]rule. He needs to act like a grown-up leader, or it will be very late to be grown-up. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 31-May-03 02:00 AM
it is so silly thing to say that 'parties didn't come up with one candidate'. I mean, come on, guys , wake up, and check the reality. Biswo, maile bujhina.. sachi bujhina.. tapain le bhanna khjojnu bhako k? So, what's the reality? Now, if i understood you correctly, which I don't claim to, you are saying that each parties will nominate their candidate(s) and a small election like process between the 5 parties will decide who is going to be the PM, and then go to the King, and say, "your majesty, we have decided on this person to be our PM". Now, again based on my udnerstanding of the above post: Then the King will have to appoint the PM designate PM. In theory, it looks good, sounds good and seems quite doable. But, in parctice no. All the leaders are fighting to become the PM themselves. Accortding to some reports published on today's chapa the King told the leaders aaba Nepal ko bhavisya tapain harooko haat ma cha.. The Rajdhani dainik reported that the leaders started fighting for the post of PM right there, in front of all the media persons and the King. So, much for their unity and fight to restore the civil rights! Of course, this episode has once again showed us the reality of our leaders. And the Parteis do not have a public support this time . More people gathered at the BICC to stand on the line to go to Korea than to hear the 5 leaders' bhasan at the Khula manch. So, people are tired of this satta ko rajniti. Sicne, you seem to know a lot about China, think why there's no Tiananmen again? Because, people have realized that its better to have political stability and economic development than democracy and anarchy. An excellent article was published on the Atlantic monthly, titled " Was democracy just a moment", and there, Kaplan, the author of the article stresses that, China's model is what the third world countries need to follow, or that would be the ideal model. first economic stability and growth which results in a growing middle class, then the situation improves and people become more aware, and when there's democracy after that, its stable, liberal and not so confusing! As Plato rightly said , "... The truth is that the State in which the rulers are most reluctant to govern is always the best and most quietly governed, and the State inw hich they are most eager, the worst." namaste. Please corect me, if i misread you (which I am certain, I did) , otherwise how will an Ultra Rightist learn from a democrat? |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 31-May-03 02:55 AM
seems like the Political Parties of Nepal are again letting the oppurtunity to form a government go. they are saying that the dissolved house has to be reinstated. The King can't possibely go against the supreme court's decision, and the parties don't wnat to form a goivernment unless the house is reinstated.. so what and who next? |
| allare | Posted
on 31-May-03 03:02 AM
IF, as far as i have read the news, it says that yesterday there was fight infront of king to become PM, but today NC agreed to nominate Makune to be PM. Lets see now how Makune handle all this situation. BTW, where are all the demands that they raised with so called peoples(parties) movement ? Is/Was that movement is just to get PM post? |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 31-May-03 03:21 AM
well, the demads are still there, and one of their demads is almost impossble to meet, i.e, to reinstate the dissolved house. so, teh king---if the parties keep on demanding this--might have to find someone else to form a governmnet. but, so far, makune remains the most likely PM. |
| GP | Posted
on 31-May-03 06:16 AM
At this moment, I am watching a weekly summary news and analysis. The news caster showed interviews with several company presidents. One of them said: "Before he was President of his company he thought there are many things can do. After he become President of the company, he realized that he can not do this, can not do that,....... now he finds a little thing that he can actually do as President of the company". I am wondering, what Makune might be thinking. But, tomorrow when he has to please his cadres, I wonder whether he will keep his eyes close over those who misuse power. GP |
| 13-thum | Posted
on 31-May-03 07:51 AM
As Biswo said earlier, how can we expect all the parties to propose common candidate when there are Mandal and RPP in the bunch. That is why GPK said that he would not have come if he knew these monarchist and Deuba were also invited. Let us not forget that 5 parties that are leading the Janandolan are united and proposing common candidate Makune. |
| GP | Posted
on 31-May-03 12:51 PM
I am disappointed to read the following paragraphs:: "Nepali Congress President Girija Prasad Koirala threatened to walk out of the Palace talks to which his nemesis, President of the Nepali Congress (Democratic) Sher Bahadur Deuba, was also invited. " ---reported in NepalNews.com/May31st 2003 Its ironic / hypocrite to ask Deoba 'S NC that was recognized by election commission to be omitted from talks. Deoba's party also hold some position in the dissolved parliament. Why the hell this old man selects this party can be invited and the others can not be invited? I am not supporter of Deoba or his breakway, but, I am also against the nepotism run by Girija. I could not see a picture last week, where Girija's daughter was said to be lining with Makune in the protest program? It is disturbing to hear that she is elevated to the rank of Makune in protest programmes. Who the hell is she? outside Girija's daughter. Anyway, it will not be surprising to me to hear, Girija coming out next day and saying that he was forced to support Makune, when he finds resistance in his party. He will say its a conspiracy theory. What Girija smells is, the PM chair. Idiot old man. GP |
| GP | Posted
on 31-May-03 01:28 PM
New York Times has a article: excerpts are as follows: "Drafting a constitution is often the first step in transforming a country to democracy, but the questions seem to be endless. Parliament or president? Centralized or decentralized authority? Ethnic and religious power-sharing or majority rule? Who can vote? What is the scope of judicial review? Is there a right to housing and jobs? And who should answer these questions?". If we draft a new constitution, will we be able to answer those questions better than in 2046 constitution? GP |
| allare | Posted
on 31-May-03 01:58 PM
GP, Here i am fully agree with you. I am also disappointed to read such comments from GPK, but do not also expect anything good from him. About his daughter, NC should take care of it and should do some precaution rather than trying to cure later when it gives birth to many deuba. About new constitution, I am also of same view that if nepalese people draft new constitution answering the basic question, it will be far better than current one. Main point is constitution should be practical one rather than idealistic. |
| sparsha | Posted
on 31-May-03 02:41 PM
GPK is an unpredictible and quite unreliable person. He dictates more than he leads. As long as GPK is the leader in NC, the possibility of sidelining Sujata is just a remote dream. Top leadership personalities in NC are all hajuria or at least that's how they present themselves. So, I don't expect anyone so called core central level NC person(s) saying NO to sujata. We don't have to go very far, GPK is the same man who shaved his head and was there right in front of the King G doing swastis in Hanumandhoka after the new King took over. His idea of grand design only came to his head after he was out of singh durbar. If republic is what he wants or claims his party wants then why not go for it? if things work for him he has no problem with monarchy if not he smells grand design and wants republic. Makune is good at staying at the back stage and talk. He runs away from responsibilities, especially those that are hotbed. He can't decide on what he wants. I will not be surprised if I see him as a failed leader or the PM in the days to come. If he proves me wrong that actually is better and would like that more than calling him an inept leader. With my reservation, I am willing to see how Makune works though. As long as he represents national interests in good faith my support will be with him. I don't think he will be a successful leader (based in past perfornance) but wish he proves me wrong. if he thinks he has learned something from the past then this is the time to prove. One more thing, if GPK has already agreed on Makune for the PM post then he must have started another thought process as well. That is how to kick Makune's butt out of that chair in Singhdurbar. Conspiracy theory has already taking shape. GPK just can't tolerate anyone else in Singhdurbar. If he could he would have wanted that Singhasan in Hanumandhoka too. But since he is wise enough (thank god!) to know that the seat in Hanumandhoka is beyound him, he can't let the other seat in Singhdurbar go to some aaire gaire. he feels like the PMship is given to him in dashain as a dakshina. Pretty soon GPK will be pulling string against Makune and blame game starts in full force. Then we will come to square one once again. As long as we tolerate all these nautankis from these socalled leaders, they will continue to play what they are good at. kursi ko rajniti. We have a long way to go before we can say NO to these people. Most of us are still fighting off poverty. Our first bet is our survival not who sits in Singhdurbar. For most of us Democracy is just a word - a void one. |
| jaya_nepal | Posted
on 31-May-03 05:34 PM
I totally agree with Sparsha, when GPK cannot tolerate his own party member Krishna Prasad Bhattarai as the PM, how could he see MaKuNe as one? He came out with Grand Design after the October 4 takeover. There wouldnt have been any such designs if King would have nominated him instead of Lokendra Bdr Chand. Now, once MaKuNe would be sworn in at Narayan Hiti Royal Palace, soon GPK would introduce new design to oust MaKuNe and get his own close allies - Sujata, Sushil, Chakra, etc - to the post of PM. Yes, there is a grand design - The Girija Design. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 31-May-03 08:40 PM
I agree with what other posters have to say about Makune and GPK. However, I would really appreciate if anyone can tell me: 1. Can the King go against the Supreme Court's decision and reinstate the dissolved house? 2. If yes, then shouldn't those 12 judges who said that the dissolution is legal, be imprisioned for creating this big of a political crisis in the country? 3. If the King is not willing to reinstate the dissolved house, then would MaKuNe and GPK be willing to rform a coalition governmnet? The parties are blackmailing the King. They are saying, we want an all party governmnet and also forcing the KIng to go against the Supreme Cout's decision last year. Now, will the King do this? I don't think so. Althjough Makune has been nominated by all parties as PM, the UML is demanding to reinstate the house. SO, the UML may not foirm the new governmnet, and the King mifght appoint someone else, who does not make all these nonsensical demands. |
| GP | Posted
on 31-May-03 08:58 PM
If King can reinstate the parliament, then, King can also dissolve it whenever he feels. What does it mean, these burglars want to become more powerful. Then, court is not supposed to be the highest body to interpret the constitution, but, the Political parties. Whatever why it entertains them. ITs really disappointing to see such idiots as political leaders of our country. I want to read Biswo ji's comments in this topic. GP |
| GP | Posted
on 31-May-03 09:01 PM
If King can reinstate the parliament, then, King can also dissolve it whenever he feels. What does it mean, these burglars pave a road to make King become more powerful. Then, court is not supposed to be the highest body to interpret the constitution, but, the Political parties. They can interpret constitution whatever way it entertains them. ITs really disappointing to see such idiots as political leaders of our country. I want to read Biswo ji's comments in this topic. Biggest jokers and loosers will be Maoists. If King gives full power to the new government, what will Maoists do? return to jungle? GP |
| 13-thum | Posted
on 31-May-03 11:37 PM
Most of the issues raised in this thread by the skeptics regarding the common candidat, fighting for the chair, possibility of re-establishing the parliament, etc are well answered by Mahat in todays Sunday Post in Kantipuronline. |
| Satya | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 01:52 AM
Here is the link to Dr Mahat's article: The ball is in the royal court By Dr Ram Sharan Mahat I would like to hear comments on this article from rajbhakta mittraharu. |
| Sadabichar | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 08:02 AM
These buggers are talking about reviving the old parliament by the up-coming Govt. How can that be possible. That old parliament was dissolved constitutionally by Deuba, who secured the PM post by constitutional manner. The PM has absolute power to dissolve the house, so Deuba did, and Supereme Court affirmed to it. And now whoever gonna be the PM in Nepal at this moment, that PM choosing process is same as the way Chand was chosen to be PM. Hello? what's going on? If they think that up-coming PM choosing is based on Article 128, then same was true when Chand was chosen!!! But these protesting parties already launched the movements (for principles?) stating that Chand Govt was formed unconstitutionally. So they cannot now say that the upcoming Govt. (whoever's it will be, MKN, Pashupati or Surya) is being formed by constiitutional manner. That Govt still will be unconstitutional. Coz Chand resigned, and the King gonna appoint another PM in lieu of Chand. Now the question is: I have heard that the PM can dossolve the house, but is there a provision in the constitution to revive the dead house by the PM (except holding election). The upcoming PM of course gonna be still unconstitutional (by the logic of their own logic). If there is a constitutional PM, then there is no question of dead house. There is always a live house behind him. The house comes first then the PM. But such PM can dissolve the house, and continue to be constitutional PM in order to hold another election to create new house. Only in that time, there will be still constitutional PM without House. Sansar ma Kahi Nahune kura Nepalei ma Hunchha, Ke Garne? |
| sparsha | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 09:59 AM
The King cannot reinstate the parliament. Period. Supreme Court cannot reverse its own decision. The dudes are gone insane in calling for the reinstatement. They talk about constitution and they demand unconstitutional act. |
| Biswo | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 11:14 AM
Sparshaji and others, I like the way you guys want to stick to constitution. But, constitution also says that: i) The period between two parliament can't be more than six months. ii)Upper Houst elections are also held every two years. Now, where are we?While we don't have parliament, we haven't fulfilled other provisions of constitution either.King ko kurai nagarau. When he gets chance, he uses the constitution the way he likes. Even Birendra Maharaj used to nominate upper house members and sometimes the ambassador without them being nominated by the government. We are, what what expeditioners would call, in uncharted territory. Now, suppose GPji is taking on Marine expedition, somewhere in Pacific Ocean in his boat, and he encounters a storm. What would he do? He can't go forward, can't go backward. The first thing to do would be to drop the anchor and wait till the storm is over. The next stop would be to find the previous fairway that he missed in the storm. From there on, he can continue in the path that has everything specified. Our politics may not be an expeditionary event, but it can learn from those expeditions. We ran into storms, and we have to drop the anchor now, which is the formation of government by the deserving parties, which make no mistake are mainly UML and NC. The next step will be to find the previous fairway, which can be reinstatement of parliament, and then continue with the usual fairway to our destination. Now, yes, dissolution of parliament was approved by supreme court. But supreme court hasn't opposed the reinstatement and now we are in a situation where consitutional provisions are in comatose situation and it benefits all of us if we don't pretend that constitutional commands are all right and intact. We have already been in violation of parliament. We better go back and get the fairway. Democracy is a system for people and by people. It is not Leninism where sticking to sacred instruction of orthodox communism is the only path ahead. |
| allare | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 02:55 PM
Biswo, This is perfect example of ledhe dhipi or famous proverb "Mero goru ko barai takka". Anyway, nice to read your view. Sometimes its fun to argu for just sake of argument, otherwise if everyone are in one side then there is no fun in life. Is not it so? Your analogy of pacific ocean, boat and storm with current political situation is quite superficial. Based on your arguments, I will agree with reinstallment of parliaments, but i just do not want to stop there, I want to go back even further to 2046 and then to 2036, and then to 2017 and then to 2007 and then back to RANA area.. what do you think ? Is not it nice road map to develp nepal? if you agree so far then, I would also like to go back to 22-24 rajya, malla kaalin, lichhabi kaalin area.. :) Democracy is a system for people and by people. YEah, thanks for reminding this, otherwise i was thinking that in your dictionary, democracy is monopoly by GPK for GPK It is not Leninism where sticking to sacred instruction of orthodox communism is the only path ahead. Biswo, I request you to read Leninism once again; forgetting GPKism for some time to get clear understanding. |
| Sadabichar | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 03:33 PM
Allare, you quoted our famous proverb at the exact time while I am about to to write... Way to go... |
| sparsha | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 03:34 PM
"The parties are blackmailing the King. They are saying, we want an all party governmnet and also forcing the KIng to go against the Supreme Cout's decision last year. Now, will the King do this? I don't think so." IF, there is nothing for the King to worry about. I also don't see blackmailing there. What I believe is let the supreme court decide. If UML/ NC ask for reinstatement of the dissloved parliament then the King should refer thier demand/request to the supreme court. Let the court decide. If I were the King, that is what I would do. The supreme court is the ultimate interpretor of the constitution. Let the ultimate body define what is constitutional and what can/cannot the King (constitutionally) do. If the highest court wants to reverse its own decision and set a precedent, so be it. For the most part, I don't agree with Biswoji's argument. So, I don't want to discuss that now. To me, this is not the time to reinstate the dissolved parliament but to have a new one through election. I don't see any problem in having a multi-party govenrment. They should have one otherwise they will start screaming at each other in the streets calling more nepal bandhas and what not. Let them (major parties) try all their avenues they want under the constitution so if they fail they will have no one else left to blame but themselves. But if they get things right for us and the nation, we should praise them and shouldn't be conservative at that. At least, I won't be. |
| Sadabichar | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 03:39 PM
House cannot be revived.... Afterall, it is evident that King has to nominate the PM at this juncture... Unless the nepalese people will join the Jana-Andolan II (unapproved my Janata) and bring in massive tupsy-turvy. And in the current situation The King will keep up the heat to the to-be PM to hold the election and get the election held early as possible to form the house. Or else.... King will use the Army, declare the emergency... and then ask all the political party to participate in the election in order to form the House and thereby take the matters constitutionally. |
| sparsha | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 03:59 PM
"Or else.... King will use the Army, declare the emergency... and then ask all the political party to participate in the election in order to form the House and thereby take the matters constitutionally. " This shouldn't happen. If the king does this then he will be looking for trouble. The King is just a player under the constitution but neither is the umpire (the Supreme Court is) nor is the captain. In my opinion, these are the days for the King to relax. Let the NC/UML do what they want. If he (king) is not sure about something there is the supreme court. When GPK can run to the highest court when CIAA calls on him, then the King should not hesitate to call the umpire when he needs a ruling. The fairer he remains these days the better it is for his stability. The current constitution is fair enough to him. So he has nothing to worry about. It's not the King's job to hold election. Let the people not the king impose emergency on these" Kuhiroka kaag" leaders. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 08:01 PM
Yeah, the house cannot be reisntated. The Parties themselves are asking the KIng to go against the constitution. Rumors have it that yesterday Girija came undera ttack from his own party's members for not nominating them for PM. Also, Nepal met with RPP and Deuba to request their support for his "likely" cabinet. gajjab cha ba! ali kati laaj sharam nabhako neta haroo and buddhi nabhayeka karyakarta haroo! |
| Sadabichar | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 10:23 PM
yeah, that's disgusting!!! |
| Biswo | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 11:36 PM
allare, If you think I am talking about going back to Rana era, well , you understood me wrongly.My example clearly says that:when you lose the way, it is prudent to go to the nearest path from which you can remember your original roadmap. You don't have to go all the way to home. And as for my going back and reading 'Leninism', well, frankly, do you think Lenin's works are worth that much time? I don't mind if king asks supreme court judges to decide if reinstatement of parliament is ok. But, Gyanendra Maharaj is no Birendra Maharaj. Heck, his modus operandi is not based on principle of transparency. I don't think he will do things in such uncontroversial way.At the end of the day, Gyanendra Maharaj will ask Sharad Chandra Shah prabritti and decide what to do himself. IFji, I am sure you feel panicked to see these same NC/UML having opportunity to go to govern again. I would personally prefer what you probably prefer: that king makes a government led by his own henchmen,and waits to see what strong gale it invites [ or if the king is very popular, then I can imagine these parties being exterminated, and I won't regret that too. I mean if the parties are not popular, why should they be around and powerful anyway?]. I am also sick and tired of seeing Tom and Jerry show going on in KTM, and I prefer that this show is given a fitting cloture. If they are sick of NC/UML, and wants Maharaj Gyanendra's Ramrajya in town, I have no problem seeing people throwing rotten tomatoes to Madhav Nepal/Girija and cheering Paras in the streets of Asan. And an insider's info: ambassadors of powerful foreign countries have today met Mr Surya Bdr Thapa. Is this a sign of new configuration being sketched out in our power structure? I don't see Mr Thapa having any probable shot at the PM's chair, but , hey, who knows in Andher Nagari, Chaupat Raja? |
| GP | Posted
on 01-Jun-03 11:48 PM
IF ji As I predicted in my last posting: "Anyway, it will not be surprising to me to hear, Girija coming out next day and saying that he was forced to support Makune, when he finds resistance in his party. He will say its a conspiracy theory. What Girija smells is, the PM chair. Idiot old man. " http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/openThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=10824#24542 Girija is making a Jaal: (scenario): [only half will turn to be true, half can not be fulfilled] 1. Lets make Makune PM. Clause: Makune must propose to reinstate dissolved parliament. Will Makune reinstate dissolved parliament, with the imagination that UML being biggest party in that house? Probably, its not going to happen. Why? 2. If clause I is satisfied: Dissolved house reinstated? Girija 's game will get on line. Becuase those who went with Deoba's faction, 75% went there to enjoy the power, because the division came while Deoba was in Power. So, Girija's expection will be fulfilled: The expection of united or bigger Kangress. All these "Dogs" who joined Deoba Kangress just to enjoy the government's power and influence, will return to Girija Kangress, this is what Girija is fishing. Khum Bahadur Khadka already returned. So, Deoba Kangress will be in the verge of collapse, when those "Dogs" will smell better chances in Girija Kangress. ............. 3. Do you think UML "Makune et al." can not imagine this scenario? If Makune et al. don't have capacity to think this much, then, Makune would have been never known to us. We have to realize how MAkune got ladder in UML. He used Madan Bhandari'S death as first ladder: Country was stalled for months and years .... When UML was in power, the Madan Bhandari's death was forgotten. When Makune et al. stalled the country 's lower house sesson for almost 60days in the name of Lauda Air scandal, against Girija, but, when last week CIAA raised finger on Girija, Makune jumped it as conspiracy, while it was not conspiracy when Lauda Air scandal was there, to ask Girija to resign... Makune is the most cunning man in UML, thats why he was able to kick out all his rivals............. So, if Girija thinks that he can use Makune like he used KP Bhattarai in 1999 election and kicked KPB a year later, then, Makune is idiot who can not read the history. I am sure Makune is more cunning than Girija. Makune knows what is the ultimate goal of Giria et al. 4. So, once Makune becomes PM, the house reinstating things will never happen. Makune will ask help from Court, and court will do what King G. favors. That is how Makune can survive. Well, in this case, Deoba et al. will support Makune. becuse reinstatement of dissolved parliament is the weak part of Deoba, Deoba et al. will never want to happen, since its done by them. Well, in this game small left parties will enjoy share in power house, thus, Girija's game will be over. 5. If dissolved house is reinstated, then, Girija Kangress will swell by reducing the Deoba Kangress size. It will happen in a week if not night. Then, Girija will run another campaign to throw Makune, with slogan: "Majority party in parliament should be the PM". = "I (Girija) should be the PM". This is never going to happen. 6. What Girija will do if house can not be reinstated after Makune becomes PM? 6.1 Makune will announce a psudo-election date, to illude Girija Kangress. 6.2 Girija Kangress will contact Maoists, and threaten with Republic agenda and Grand Design stuffs. 6.3 They will launch street protests. 6.4 Makune will be thrown or resign.......... because at the end of day: Bamdev Gautam will also threaten Makune ........ as a part of revenge, as a part of own game to become next PM. 6.5 Chao will continue. Maoists either go to jungle again, or become allies of Girija Kangress. Maoists also know how to make Girija a wild card "joker". ............. Girija has to die within next 8 months to 12months i.e. within 2060, if not killed by GRJ and Sujata Associates, to elevate Sujata to Party President Posts. If dumb wife of former Sadvawan Party head can be President of the party just because of being wife, why can not it be applied in case of Sujata? They will derive equations from our southern neighbour: wife of Rajib, wife of Sanjay Gandhi ...... Sujata must be smelling the PM post after her father 's death or orchastrated killing. Lets keep on Predicting Nepali Political scenario. GP |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 02-Jun-03 01:15 AM
IFji, I am sure you feel panicked to see these same NC/UML having opportunity to go to govern again. + Biswo, You got it right: I feel panicked to see the same idiots jeopardize Nepals future again. It gives me nightmares, really. At last we were moving forward with the peace process with the Maoists, enter these jokers and everything is uncertain now. So, yeah, as a concerned citizen of Nepal, I feel panicked and worried to see these bhatey school (sanskrit pathsala) graduates becoming Primeministers and ministers. There's a totally excellent piece by Yubaraj Ghimire in today's Kantipur. I sugegst you all read, that is of course, if you have time. GP, Yes, you were right on your prediction. The Himalayan Times today had that news on its front page. There have been heavy protests within the congress party against Girija for nominating Makune as PM. Also, as you rightly said, the court will not reinstate the dissolved house because nowhere in the world, supreme courts decisions are challeged and changed. There is no provision for the reinstatement of the house, and to say, that revival of the dissolved house is possibel is to say that one can travel back to the past. IF the jokers somehow get the house reinstated, the judges who decided that the dissolution of house was legal, should be hanged for creating this big of a confusion and political turmoil in the nation. Also, the constitution of Nepal 2047 should be declared void because tehre is no provision of the reinstatement of the house in teh constitution. I am sorry, but i can't agree to some of our democrats friends here that the political parties can interpret the constitution the way they want. Nepal's politics take weird turns and this one is the weirdest. Namaste |
| paramendra | Posted
on 02-Jun-03 08:12 AM
I agree with the following: ....Primary among these sacrifices is limiting the number of official royal titles to only the king, Queen and the Crown Prince. Another is to introduce transparency in the accounts of the royal expenditure, as well as grant parliament authority over the use of the Royal Nepal Army (RNA).... |
| paramendra | Posted
on 02-Jun-03 08:39 AM
Lest we forget the Maoists... http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/02/international/asia/02NEPA.html ...."At what point will the Maoists decide this is not going where they want, and go back to war?" one Western diplomat here asked about the peace talks. "Whenever they decide to break off, they will go back to fighting in a matter of hours."............ |
| sparsha | Posted
on 02-Jun-03 08:39 AM
Another game is just about to begin. Alas! won't last long, though. Lokendra left with some dignity. At least Maoists are waiting at the table and not in the jungles shooting down people and looting people's inner and outer wealth. Lokendra left and now he is free. He must be thanking God. Travelling is better than to arrive. Once you arrive the fun is almost gone. GPK and Makune were happy protesting out on the streets together. They were having heck of a time, sitting on the streets, walking holding hands, checking out messages in mobile phone---. Now, Makune is trapped. He will have to quit those fun days now. I read somewhere Bharat Mohan Adhikary saying "the next round of protest will be announced soon". Yeah, right. Makune will kick your ***. Makune will be in the singhdurbar leaving his best friend out in the streets to chew supari. Makune must have known or will know pretty soon if not that his best friend is like an agulto. After a few days GPK will go crazy and will shake all those hands that rise against Makune. Makune will feel the heat from all over -his own party-Narayanhiti-his best friend (a friend in need is a friend indeed) GPK, Maobadis, and the common people. He will pretty soon realize there is too much demand and not much to deliver. The PMship will become "Bhaluko kanpat" to Makune. In his crazy mind he will start blaming right and left to everybody except himself. But (a big one) if he handles everything -roughly or smoothly- then I must say "we got the leader". |
| rbaral | Posted
on 02-Jun-03 11:31 AM
I don't think King Gyanendra should yield to the pressure of Kangressi and UML politicians. We all know this pressure is NOT of Nepali people, but of the power-hungry politicians. Especially at a point when most of the Netas are waiting for a court trial!! My 2 cents. Namaste, Rishi |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 02-Jun-03 01:32 PM
Dear Sajhites, I believe MAKUNE will be next PM, as the alliance of five parties gave him a consensus. Obviously there may be some dissatisfaction within the NC over this decision, but there is no outlet other than to compromise in the present situation. I don't think King will appoint any odds other than MAKUNE. If he does, that may be interesting. His performance will be evaluated after 100 days of his premiership and how he builds the cabinet. No body know how things turn up in future, as every events in the past appears to be a mutating one. Let's hope for best. Bhunte |
| Bond-007 | Posted
on 02-Jun-03 01:55 PM
-----------You got it right: I feel panicked to see the same idiots jeopardize Nepals future again. It gives me nightmares, really. At last we were moving forward with the peace process with the Maoists, enter these jokers and everything is uncertain now. So, yeah, as a concerned citizen of Nepal, I feel panicked and worried to see these bhatey school (sanskrit pathsala) graduates becoming Primeministers and ministers------------- IF ji, Isn't this always true that, if you (or your party is) are not ruling you are panicking? When GPK was at helm you were panicking and when King and Chandji are at the helm Biswoji is panicking and if MKN will assume you will start panicking again. But what about me, I have been panicking since Prithivi Narayan Shah (the only true leader Nepal ever had) and I wonder whether he ever went to any pathsala (Sanskrit or otherwise). The irony for Nepal and Nepalese people is that we never had a leader with a vision after Prithvi Narayan Shah, since then everyone ruled Nepal for their own benefits (both Narayanhiti Durbar and Singha Durbar included.) Oops! I talked politics, I am in trouble again!! |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 04-Jun-03 03:44 PM
............ as a concerned citizen of Nepal, I feel panicked and worried to see these bhatey school (sanskrit pathsala) graduates becoming Primeministers ..........IF Just listened to NTV in net about SBT's biography. Oops, he is also a graduate of Muga Sanskrit Pathsala. I was thinking he must be a graduate of St.Stepens School in Darjeeling...Hell No! Oouch... bhunte |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Jun-03 08:51 PM
Bhunte, the reason that these people with no modern education keep on becoming the PM is that the people like you, who have a significant international education and exposure don't come back and get your hands dirty in Nepali politics. simple. namaste |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 04-Jun-03 10:03 PM
IF bro, I agree with you, but cleaning up current Nepali politics is a Herculian job. You know, it is so messy...However, i may want to join a party led or created by intellectuals trained in western nations. Don't you? Why not we Sajhites think about it!! bhunte |