| Sajha.com Archives | |
| Username | Post |
| SITARA | Posted
on 06-Jun-03 10:44 PM
This Message is for all people from the Nepalese diaspora: I had come to this forum less than a year ago...being told that Sajha is/was a respectable, enjoyable and intellectually stimulating site. This friend was not wrong. I have come to enjoy interaction with those I know and many more of whom I don't. I have, much more than not, found kindred spirits with whom I have had the opportunity to discuss, argue and continue educated arguments with the license to agree as well as disagree--- BUT, with dignity intact, and a certain level of trust. San ji has been gracious enough to reply to my request for help... and I am indebted to him for having at least responded! There are a few who can tolerate vile, vulgar, verbal abuse but there are many more (males and females) who find it unpalatable. I was hoping that for the sake of those( males and females) who dislike such language, San would put out a warning, thus ensuring that sajha visitors do not get harrassed, attacked personally. I was also hoping that San's intervention in such vicious scenarios would encourage those females willing to participate in Sajha yet are afraid to do so solely, for the reason of such senseless and irrelevant, hateful posts. However, after reading his notice for Bhedo and Sitara...I notice my request was in vain! The Bhedos of the world can and will be allowed to insult, attack and defame females. Female bashing will be tolerated and hate posts against anyone's religion will be given the benefit of doubt and cyber harrassment will be written off as a personal dispute, while a request for help will be written off as a propoganda! And yes, I am more than mildly disappointed. And, with this note, I wish all Sajhaites a good year. To to those who have uploaded their personal information: I hope that Sajha/San has the ability to discourage attack on you with the same integrity he showed when he put up the Sajha Feature Site, coaxing all and sundry to form a closeknit, vibrant, and friendship-oriented Sajha community! With all my positive energies to all! PEACE OUT!!! |
| SITARA | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 04:00 AM
Bhedo ji: You have surpassed yourself...No doubt, by now you have managed to impress upon your readers your knack for the profane. I have on occasions enjoyed interacting with you in banter and wit, not to mention discussions on relevant issues.....those that were/have been contextually in sync. However, in numerous occasions, I have noticed an intense animosity towards any female seep out into your writings... and now, a vicious attack on my person, upbringing, philosophy and schooling. Perhaps, you are unaware that it is in bad taste and uncalled for or simply that you get your thrills out of female bashing. Whatever it is.... I would like to give you the benefit of doubt and assume that you too have had a decent upbringing by decent family members... letting it rest with the hope that you are going through a phase and that it shall pass! Consequently, seeing that any interactions with you fall short of any amelioration... I would like to wish that the nasty streak (against females) you are passing through will dissipate with age and time. In PEACE ! |
| bhedo | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 06:05 AM
This will also be my last post, as it looks like I'll be busy with a lawsuit for a couple of years. I will address this poster in third person and I'll try to make it formal. It looks like my previous messages did not get through her. I might be 1) a racist 2) a misogynist 3) foul-mouthed, but to called me a stalker, when fact of the matter is I don't even talk/chat to this poster much, is defaming me no matter what anybody anybody here believes or contends. I tried to get over this as much as possible, but now it feels like there is a huge crowd against me, putting me down repeatedly. Someone with no knowledge in law (Czar), claimed in a different thread that cussing in public is more scathing than defaming someone, or so he seemed to imply. That of course was made up by this person. He can blabber as much as he wants to, I don't care. To tell you the truth, Sitara, if she wants to, can file a lawsuit against me for cussing, if she can even call it that, or for misogyny, or for being racist( most of these charges aren't even court-worthy in many places, judges won't even hear them), or even for stalking, but I know I'll be the one with smoking guns. I'll give Sitara 3 days to come up with an apology for calling me a stalker. She can email me, if she wants to. I might consider it if she makes it good. Take note that, if in case a defamation suit is filed, I will personally see to it that no harm comes to this web site. Thank you. |
| jules | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 07:24 AM
Sitara, What kind of Crap! is this? So you expect everyone to believe/agree with you? Don't think so. Ain't gonna happen sissta. Below is soooooo not true. May be you need to read sAn's posting again. He has made good points there as he always have. Try to get over this la? This is just waste of your time. It's not worth it!!! "However, after reading his notice for Bhedo and Sitara...I notice my request was in vain! The Bhedos of the world can and will be allowed to insult, attack and defame females. Female bashing will be tolerated and hate posts against anyone's religion will be given the benefit of doubt and cyber harrassment will be written off as a personal dispute, while a request for help will be written off as a propoganda! And yes, I am more than mildly disappointed". Jules |
| San | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 08:16 AM
Regarding promoting a respectable community: Whenever I see an unsolicited verbal abuse or cursing directed at someone through some personal animosity or overflowing hormones or simply for prank, I have taken the liberty to delete those kinds of messages at sight. Also, I delete posts when I get personal requests from people. The last thing I want is for anyone to get hurt through sajha. Please note the NOTE at the bottom of each postings: "NOTE: The opinions here represent the opinions of the individual posters, and not of Sajha.com. It is not possible for sajha.com to monitor all the postings, since sajha.com merely seeks to provide a cyber location for discussing ideas and concerns related to Nepal and the Nepalis. Please send an email to admin@sajha.com using a valid email address if you want any posting to be considered for deletion. Your request will be handled on a one to one basis. Sajha.com is a service please don't abuse it. - Thanks." Without fail, I have always respected reasonable personal wishes to have something removed. In this case, I did see Bhedo's posting where he mentions "coquette Sitara". I did find that the contents of that posting was out of line BUT, the sole reason that I did not take any action was because of the following reason.
When a member wants to personally resolve an episode of personal abuse, then they are welcome to do so. The members are well aware of the fact that they can contact me as soon as they see any form of personal bashing BUT if they decide to take in on themselves, I will not go in to intervene. Since Sitara had decided to personally resolve this situation by replying to Bhedo, had I gone in and deleted bhedo's posting, I would have come in the way of her communication with Bhedo. And that's not cool. If she had expressed her dissatisfaction at that initial posting instead of trying to get Bhedo to understand the Zen and Christianity of it all, Bhedo's posting would have been an ideal posting for deleting without a doubt. Excerpt of her reply: Posted on 06-02-03 7:53 PM "Hai Ram Ram Ram..... I mean Bhedo! Ah thy speculations past compare... they bleatings beyond despair! If I could, I surely would, wish upon my Hindu (zennist) soul, that I may re-incarnate as you (bhedo) in my next Nth birth...just for the fleeting, momentary(swayam siddha) bliss of justifying ignorance! Oh! I watch in admiration and amazement at your tenacious attempts at incuring my wrath .... But excuse me while I smile in amusement at your Bhedic, juvenile ways! As for the missionary position, I would not tax that non-Christian mind of yours...might just pop! :) " Once a member opens such a dialogue there is always a huge risk that it could get worse! and it did this time. Each party has said things to other party. Accusations have been hurled from both sides. Assumptions have been made by both sides. And finally a plea for help. I truely appreciate Sitara's magnificent persona. Many a times I have expressed to her that I'm a fan of her persona - her easy going attitude and her strength. And personally, who knows, maybe I would like to come to her rescue by banning bhedo - deleting his every posting. But, as a webmaster of this site, I have to keep my personal feelings aside, be neutral and make a decision that is not biased. I don't want to play the blame game or come in between two people who are involved in the blame game. I, as the administrator of this site, have to do what's best for the site, and that is to ask the two to resolve their personal differences out of this site. The sajha community does not need to be dragged into two peoples personal squabbles. If they do not want to resolve it then I advise them to ignore each other while in sajha. There are many more people they can have positive interactions with. Why dwell on the negative energies? It is a matter of common sense when I do this that I am NOT encouraging people to attack other people, insult, defame. Any kind of posting that is not considerate of others is a candidate for deletion. BUT, in an open forum like sajha, the community members also need to help out in maintaining the sanctity of this site by not letting this kind of activity flourish. As soon as you see something that does not have common etiquette please inform me. I would like to express my warm welcome to all the new and old sajha visitors, and want to remind the female visitors that sajha is a safe website for you to voice your opinion without having to be afraid that some guy will come after you and abuse you on the basis of your feminity. Sajha is a community that respects women for what they are and what they think, the same way as it respects their male counterparts. In the spirit of Sajha Best Wishes, San |
| SITARA | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 08:26 AM
SAN JI: Where did this come from????????? This is a message of religious hate, hate against women and sexual violence/harrassment..... THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE. This was the first of the series of posting. I did not see you intervene. Posted on 06-06-03 7:11 PM Reply osted on 06-02-03 7:31 PM Reply think Khimu is another virgin. Now our Sajha coquette Sitara, I would say, has been plucked. I pray to Shiva she doesn't act in real life the way she acts here, because it's truly, TRULY, disgusting. She went to St. Mary's after all, and them sisters, after all, musta taught her "missionary" style. She doesn't believe in "organized" religions, she says, which is an indirect way of saying she isn't proud to be a Hindu. All this Zennist crap is just a way of cloaking her Hindu origin. We don't need Hindus like her. Good riddance. Men and women aren't supposed to act the same. There are physiological, anatomical, genetic, morphological, and psychological differences between the two, let's just face it. http://www.hinduunity.org --------Bhedo --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted on 06-03-03 9:57 AM Reply ahaha, someone said Kurakani is at a turning point. I find that laughable. People have been saying so since Sajha's inception. Oh, and Sitara, keep flirting. You should have named yourself Shitara, to tell you the truth. Now you really sound like someone jagged you in your wazoo with a red hot poker. ------ Bhedo |
| SITARA | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 08:29 AM
1999 REPORT ON CYBERSTALKING: A NEW CHALLENGE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND INDUSTRY Cyberstalking: A New Challenge for Law Enforcement and Industry ___________________ A Report from the Attorney General to the Vice President August 1999 _______________________ What Is Cyberstalking? Although there is no universally accepted definition of cyberstalking, the term is used in this report to refer to the use of the Internet, e-mail, or other electronic communications devices to stalk another person. Stalking generally involves harassing or threatening behavior that an individual engages in repeatedly, such as following a person, appearing at a person's home or place of business, making harassing phone calls, leaving written messages or objects, or vandalizing a person's property. Most stalking laws require that the perpetrator make a credible threat of violence against the victim; others include threats against the victim's immediate family; and still others require only that the alleged stalker's course of conduct constitute an implied threat.(1) While some conduct involving annoying or menacing behavior might fall short of illegal stalking, such behavior may be a prelude to stalking and violence and should be treated seriously. Nature and Extent of Cyberstalking An existing problem aggravated by new technology Although online harassment and threats can take many forms, cyberstalking shares important characteristics with offline stalking. Many stalkers - online or off - are motivated by a desire to exert control over their victims and engage in similar types of behavior to accomplish this end. As with offline stalking, the available evidence (which is largely anecdotal) suggests that the majority of cyberstalkers are men and the majority of their victims are women, although there have been reported cases of women cyberstalking men and of same-sex cyberstalking. In many cases, the cyberstalker and the victim had a prior relationship, and the cyberstalking begins when the victim attempts to break off the relationship. However, there also have been many instances of cyberstalking by strangers. Given the enormous amount of personal information available through the Internet, a cyberstalker can easily locate private information about a potential victim with a few mouse clicks or key strokes. The fact that cyberstalking does not involve physical contact may create the misperception that it is more benign than physical stalking. This is not necessarily true. As the Internet becomes an ever more integral part of our personal and professional lives, stalkers can take advantage of the ease of communications as well as increased access to personal information. In addition, the ease of use and non-confrontational, impersonal, and sometimes anonymous nature of Internet communications may remove disincentives to cyberstalking. Put another way, whereas a potential stalker may be unwilling or unable to confront a victim in person or on the telephone, he or she may have little hesitation sending harassing or threatening electronic communications to a victim. Finally, as with physical stalking, online harassment and threats may be a prelude to more serious behavior, including physical violence. While there are many similarities between offline and online stalking, the Internet and other communications technologies provide new avenues for stalkers to pursue their victims. A cyberstalker may send repeated, threatening, or harassing messages by the simple push of a button; more sophisticated cyberstalkers use programs to send messages at regular or random intervals without being physically present at the computer terminal. California law enforcement authorities say they have encountered situations where a victim repeatedly receives the message "187" on their pagers - the section of the California Penal Code for murder. In addition, a cyberstalker can dupe other Internet users into harassing or threatening a victim by utilizing Internet bulletin boards or chat rooms. For example, a stalker may post a controversial or enticing message on the board under the name, phone number, or e-mail address of the victim, resulting in subsequent responses being sent to the victim. Each message -- whether from the actual cyberstalker or others -- will have the intended effect on the victim, but the cyberstalker's effort is minimal and the lack of direct contact between the cyberstalker and the victim can make it difficult for law enforcement to identify, locate, and arrest the offender. |
| SITARA | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 08:32 AM
The anonymity of the Internet also provides new opportunities for would-be cyberstalkers. A cyberstalker's true identity can be concealed by using different ISPs and/or by adopting different screen names. More experienced stalkers can use anonymous remailers that make it all-but-impossible to determine the true identity of the source of an e-mail or other electronic communication. A number of law enforcement agencies report they currently are confronting cyberstalking cases involving the use of anonymous remailers. Anonymity leaves the cyberstalker in an advantageous position. Unbeknownst to the target, the perpetrator could be in another state, around the corner, or in the next cubicle at work. The perpetrator could be a former friend or lover, a total stranger met in a chat room, or simply a teenager playing a practical joke. The inability to identify the source of the harassment or threats could be particularly ominous to a cyberstalking victim, and the veil of anonymity might encourage the perpetrator to continue these acts. In addition, some perpetrators, armed with the knowledge that their identity is unknown, might be more willing to pursue the victim at work or home, and the Internet can provide substantial information to this end. Numerous websites will provide personal information, including unlisted telephone numbers and detailed directions to a home or office. For a fee, other websites promise to provide social security numbers, financial data, and other personal information. Evidence suggests cyberstalking is a growing problem Although there is no comprehensive, nationwide data on the extent of cyberstalking in the United States, some ISPs compile statistics on the number and types of complaints of harassment and/or threats involving their subscribers, and individual law enforcement agencies have compiled helpful statistics. There is, moreover, a growing amount of anecdotal and informal evidence on the nature and extent of cyberstalking. First, data on offline stalking may provide some insight into the scope of the cyberstalking problem. According to the most recent National Violence Against Women Survey, which defines stalking as referring to instances where the victim felt a high level of fear:(3) In the United States, one out of every 12 women (8.2 million) and one out of every 45 men (2 million) have been stalked at some time in their lives. One percent of all women and 0.4 percent of all men were stalked during the preceding 12 months. Women are far more likely to be the victims of stalking than men - nearly four out of five stalking victims are women. Men are far more likely to be stalkers - 87 percent of the stalkers identified by victims in the survey were men. Women are twice as likely as men to be victims of stalking by strangers and eight times as likely to be victims of stalking by intimates. In the United States, there are currently more than 80 million adults and 10 million children with access to the Internet. Assuming the proportion of cyberstalking victims is even a fraction of the proportion of persons who have been the victims of offline stalking within the preceding 12 months, there may be potentially tens or even hundreds of thousands of victims of recent cyberstalking incidents in the United States.(4) Although such a "back of the envelope" calculation is inherently uncertain and speculative (given that it rests on an assumption about very different populations), it does give a rough sense of the potential magnitude of the problem. Second, anecdotal evidence from law enforcement agencies indicates that cyberstalking is a serious - and growing - problem. At the federal level, several dozen matters have been referred (usually by the FBI) to U.S. Attorney's Offices for possible action. A number of these cases have been referred to state and local law enforcement agencies because the conduct does not appear to violate federal law. In addition, some local law enforcement agencies are beginning to see cases of cyberstalking. For example, the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office estimates that e-mail or other electronic communications were a factor in approximately 20 percent of the roughly 600 cases handled by its Stalking and Threat Assessment Unit. The chief of the Sex Crimes Unit in the Manhattan District Attorney's Office also estimates that about 20 percent of the cases handled by the unit involve cyberstalking. The Computer Investigations and Technology Unit of the New York City Police Department estimates that almost 40 percent of the caseload in the unit involves electronic threats and harassment -- and virtually all of these have occurred in the past three or four years. Third, ISPs also are receiving a growing number of complaints about harassing and threatening behavior online. One major ISP receives approximately 15 complaints per month of cyberstalking, in comparison to virtually no complaints of cyberstalking just one or two years ago. Finally, as part of a large study on sexual victimization of college women, researchers at the University of Cincinnati conducted a national telephone survey of 4,446 randomly selected women attending two- and four-year institutions of higher education. The survey was conducted during the 1996-97 academic year. In this survey, a stalking incident was defined as a case in which a respondent answered positively when asked if someone had "repeatedly followed you, watched you, phoned, written, e-mailed, or communicated with you in other ways that seemed obsessive and made you afraid or concerned for your safety." The study found that 581 women (13.1 percent) were stalked and reported a total of 696 stalking incidents; the latter figure exceeds the number of victims because 15 percent of the women experienced more than one case of stalking during the survey period. Of these 696 stalking incidents, 166 (24.7 percent) involved e-mail. Thus, 25 percent of stalking incidents among college women could be classified as involving cyberstalking.(5) |
| SITARA | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 08:40 AM
SAN JI: Bhedo ji may not consider his behaviour a harrassment issue but let it be brought to your notice that in a Sajha community like yours where many Nepalese people know/meet each other.... things may escalate to proportions irreparable... Just because such hate actions are allowed against women! I hope that you will take my concerns to heart and understand the gravity of any such hate messages! I hope this posting will serve as a warning to to those who follow Bhedo ji's mannerisms and obsessive tendencies! |
| bhedo | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 08:47 AM
Warning me for what?? Sitara started it all, to tell you the truth. She keeps pulling me in into her games. This is what started it all. By Sitara 05/31/2003 Why the chicken cross the road? Bhedo: To change my sex and lure Poonte with my thongs! Also San, please note that Sitara demeans me in the chatroom, as I already explained before. |
| bhedo | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 09:26 AM
Sitara's quotes are irrelevant, because I had already apologized to her. iPosted on 06-04-03 3:12 PM Reply Bhedo ji: First, it was very gracious of you to appologise and I do accept your appology.... I was trying to stay put, and wanted that little incident to slide, but right when I thought I got out she pulled me back in with her invectives in the chatroom. I have caught her demeaning quite a few people in there. She's double-dealing and I got tired of her duplicity. She stabs you in the back when you're not looking. And why's she calling me a racist for? She doesn't seem to mind using words like "jyapu". How the word is used is irrelevant, btw. Just check the archives. |
| bhedo | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 09:28 AM
And PS, I am outta here now, literally. Post anything you want. Bhedo isn't gonna be reading. |
| SITARA | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 10:46 AM
"I truely appreciate Sitara's magnificent persona. Many a times I have expressed to her that I'm a fan of her persona - her easy going attitude and her strength. And personally, who knows, maybe I would like to come to her rescue by banning bhedo - deleting his every posting."..... San SAN JI: You have missed my point here. If you pull up the archives, you will see Bhedo ji has attacked NOT ONLY me but many others... again, with the same level of animosity bordering on obsessive hate. Many females have left or assumed other names just because they felt threatened. My point is, in the event people are allowed to use Sajha Kurakani as a launching pad for their hate, senseless violence (Lord forbid!) can occur in places like ANA or any other Nepalese conventions. If/when such dire consequences happen, Sajha has no option but to get dragged in. One recent and glaring example is one of Nepal News Chat and the murder that occurred... and the resulting closedown of NN Chat! AND Nepal has no cyber laws... imagine the consequences the US laws can have on a closeknit, one-man manned Nepalese forum like Sajha....and we are not talking about logging in from internet cyber cafes! As an educator, it is my duty to inform my students on cyber hazards, stranger danger and stalking (because of a recent hate crime that occurred!)... I am just taking this opportunity to press forward this issue for the safety and dignity of everyone who visits Sajha. I really hope you will take into serious consideration the responsibilities you have as Website Admin; a simple disclaimer may not match the site's reputation of being a safe, respectable ground for intellectual discussions for all Nepalese. Peace and Safety for all! |
| bhedo | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 11:03 AM
She keeps pulling me back in, even when I said I'm gonna quit. I am not gonna quit until people stop taking my name. Anyway, what she fails to realize is that our Sajha community she likes to harp about is not just limited to the forum; the chatroom, where she spews her hatred( has made fun of Surya, Ashu, Hahooguru in the past when I was there. ) is also a part, let's not forget. This, only WHEN I was there. Lord knows what else she has said about other folks when I wasn't around. I can only beginning to imagine. Our Sitara here can't see her own fault, as we all can see. Yeah, like I'm the only reprehensible one in here. Her repitions are starting to sound so pathetic. I've saved this thread, and also the other thread that she started her rampage against me, calling me a stalker( which I am not gonna forget, ever) on my hard drive, for a rainy day. She has even begun to compare me to a murderer. Whoa! San, I think you need to do something here. Please. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 11:06 AM
Sitara, Not trying to contradict you here, or trying toi be direspectful, but i personally think, you are over-reacting. I don't think bhedo will come after you with a khukuri in his hands during the nepali convention, nor he wil be after anyone else and this is why: 1. you both aren't posting using your real names 2. bhedo still reamains unnown because he does not have his picture or any info. uploaded. given the fact that he wishes to remain anyonomous, the chaces of him coming after you isn'tg that convincing. also, if other sajha psoters feel thretened by his words/actions, they can contact the side administrator themselves. bekkar ma nadukheko tauko lai kinma dori badhera dukhaune ? i urge both of you to raed this excellent book by fisher, Getting to Yes and resolve your differences. there's got to be a common ground, and as someone who likes to facilitate the talk process, here's my take on how you two should go about resolving your differences: 1. both warring parties have to apologize to each other. to b perfectly honest, if bhedo was direct in his communication with Sitara, Sitara too, with her brilliant choice of words said the same things to bhedo.. so, if put on scale, both of them are equally guilty of the crime agaist Saajha :-) [now, i don't wnat personal attacks, and if somebody feels it necessary to teach me a lesson, you know, i won't be paying much attention to the lesson] 2. both parties should avoid reacting to each other's postings as much as they can 3. both parties should try to find the topcis that will be of interests to both of them 4. if they find it necessary, they shoul use other forms of communications such as email and phone. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 11:08 AM
, the chaces of him coming after you isn'tg that convincing. = isn;'t very high |
| bhedo | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 11:22 AM
Yeah, I was right, looks like Sitara has defamed me by calling me a stalker. http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/defamation.html Line to keep in mind: Anything that injures a person's reputation can be defamatory. If a comment brings a person into contempt, disrepute or ridicule, it is likely to be defamatory Boom! |
| Dilasha | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 11:30 AM
Isolated freak ji, this is an issue of safety. Just because this is the cyber world does not mean that NOTHING BAD can happen. (like the nepal news incident sitara mentioned). Bhedo (or in this case ANYONE) may not be a criminal but you never know when people's anger may take a heavy toll that could result into deadly circumstances. And Please I am not overreacting. I am just emphasizing on the importance of safety be it in the cyber or the real world. And I am not writing this just because Sitara happens to be a woman. This pertains to both the genders. So my point is, just because we use our aliases, don't assume that people don't know you. Because it's a small world and as you know tongues wag. For eg: I know some of the sajhaite's real names through third persons which I purposely didn't ask for. But you know how nepali conversations go - "aye tellai ta maile chinchu ni" - "ho ra?" -"ho, tesko naam ....ho, ani tyo ....thau ma bascha" and blah blah blah With due respect to both Bhedo and Sitara ji, I would urge you guys to please let bygones be bygones and treat each other with respect for as sensible beings, we all want that don't we? balla balla fursad payera sajhaland ko bhraman garna aako, esto dukhalaagdo sthiti padnu paryo. bhayena baaaa |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 11:32 AM
Hey all, I have been reading the recent BHEDO related issues spontaniously. BHEDO shouldn't use any vulgar/filthy languages in the first place for any postings that contain humors (if any), which is damaging for the shake of his own personality. STOP attacking people with your weapon of mass destruction (WMD). The only way out I see is BHEDO to apolize again (being a member of a civilized society, I believe he will do). We don't want to hear any shocking news as Sitara has just mentioned. Bhedo shouldn't be posting here if he can't tolerate small humours. I don't mind if someone say ME 'Jyapu/jyapuni' or 'bahun/bahuni' 'madhesi', etc. or whatever. One must have a minimum tolerance if you want to actively contribute in Sajha. Bhedo, don't ever think that you are annonymous here. You can be easily tracked down for any resulting crimes (if accidently happen here). SITARA may want to distance from Bhedo's postings unless he attacks you personally again. I am sure Bhedo will reconcile the issue. SAN dai should warn and ban any Aliases attacking to any other people with vulgar languages. I don't see any reason San dai to remain neutral once it comes to his notice. Peace, Bhunte |
| bhedo | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 11:36 AM
No, I am not going to apologize to someone who calls me a stalker and compares me to a murderer. |
| bill_pusateri | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 11:45 AM
The louderer you cry, the guiltier you look. "Me thinks thou does protest too much." You don't have the cojones to quit posting. |
| bhedo | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 11:51 AM
And the guiltier I look, the better it is for me Defamation: Anything that injures a person's reputation can be defamatory. If a comment brings a person into contempt, disrepute or ridicule, it is likely to be defamatory http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/defamation.html |
| San | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 11:55 AM
OK Let's put this matter to rest. If anyone of the two involved continues to post to this thread or any other thread regarding this issue, those threads will be moved to "OUR DIFFERENCES" thread since seemingly this is not a difference that can be resolved. In the meantime do read the Disclaimer to understand any legal implications: SAJHA.COM does not control the information delivered in the SAJHA FORUMS, and it has no obligation to monitor the postings. However, SAJHA.COM reserves the right at all times to disclose any information as necessary to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or governmental request, or to edit, refuse to post or to remove or deny access to any information or materials, in whole or in part, for any reason whatsoever, in SAJHA.COM's sole discretion. BY THEIR VERY NATURE, DISCUSSION FORUMS MAY CARRY OFFENSIVE, HARMFUL, INACCURATE OR OTHERWISE INAPPROPRIATE MATERIAL, OR IN SOME CASES, POSTINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MISLABELED OR ARE OTHERWISE DECEPTIVE. WE EXPECT THAT YOU WILL USE CAUTION AND COMMON SENSE AND EXERCISE PROPER JUDGMENT WHEN POSTING TO OR VIEWING KURAKANI. Your use of the Web Site is at your own risk. If you are dissatisfied with any of the Materials or other contents of the Web Site or with these Terms and Conditions, or other policies, your sole remedy is to discontinue use of the Web Site. IN NO EVENT SHALL SAJHA.COM BE LIABLE TO ANY USER OR ANY THIRD PARTY FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY OR LOST PROFITS) RESULTING FROM THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE WEB SITE OR THE MATERIAL, OR ANY LOSS INCURRED AT AN ADVERTISED or PARTNER or SPONSOR SITE, WHETHER BASED ON WARRANTY, CONTRACT, TORT, OR ANY OTHER LEGAL THEORY, AND WHETHER OR NOT SAJHA.COM IS ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 12:09 PM
Bhedo, You should try to learn how to self-criticize, as DUMBASS did earlier. That makes you great (Mahan). Sitara has every reason and right to be cautious (she has already hinted her concern here), as she took courage to upload her photo in this web. Bhedo has hurt Sitara very much. Hadn't you hurt her so much, she woun't have plea for a help with the sajha web master. You are in someway discouraging other sajhaites to contribute their personalities here. Bhedo, try to be exemplery leader in your field, and show what you can offer to your society. We are not here to curse each other. No one is comparing you with a murderer, but anything may happen in extreme which we don't want to hear at all. We don't know much about you except you don't want to let down yourself (sign of arrogance or 'jiddiwala'), and use some vulgar languages (not so civil)here. If you are a drug addict and have previous criminal history/fraudulant behavior, then there is always a big question mark before you. You should indeed get an apology not only from Sitara, but from all Sajhites. hope it works. peace, bhunte |
| MadMax | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 12:13 PM
Why do all these "divorced" woman like to show off in this room? |
| Samana! | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 02:01 PM
Dear all First let me put forward my concerns regarding this matter...I m really surprised to see some of the moronic postings in sajha....which i thought had a crystal clear prospective success or advancement as i'd come across some of the postings. I was a silent reader and admired most of the postings very much. I still remember back 1 and half years, with the fame of sajha and really had hopes and it used to grasp my attention immdiately. I would like to thank San for his great effort. As the matter of fact, we are really overwhelmed with what we have and by posting this forum is to let u all guys know about the ulterior motive. It is that we seem educated and as far as the postings and concerns, clearly reveals about sajaites. I m not trying to be feminist here..taking the side of women. I really think Sitara has every right to fight for it. Noone has right to degrade anyone. but sis calm down and think for it. Why do u want to disturb urself obsessing about a man who u dont even know. Regarding obstruction the guy is making in ur postings...just care a damn. And nepali ma ukhan cha ni" gu lai choyo bhane afnai mukh ma chittta parcha' yeah its same like that...sorry bhedo, i m not comparing u with sh*t, its just ukhan tukka..no offense.Sis,in my opinion, u r over reacting. I know how it hurts when someone attcks with some filthy words . Bhedo! were u offended when sitara didi called ya "jyapu"..ohh ! c'mon be practical, i thought u were a broad minded person, all my expectations are gone in vain.. Bhedo, i think ur image and personality is being detoirated would u stop acting like a kid.? My request is that pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee! dont spoil the environment that sajha has created from past few years...Lets work together to make the healthier environment that sajha deserves thanks samana |
| GP | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 02:09 PM
In this blame game: peoples should give proof, i.e. either the excerpts of the statements or references. It is very disappointing to read from Bhedo's posting Sitara made fun on others in their absence, now its turn her to apologize to those whose names were misused by her in their absence to defend her accusations:: Bhedo writes:"...the chatroom, where she spews her hatred( has made fun of Surya, Ashu, Hahooguru in the past when I was there. ) is also a part, let's not forget. This, only WHEN I was there". Sitara has misused others name several time here in this forum the way it entertained her. Sitara thought that someone is acceptable to her as long as s/he does not attack her, but, she is not worried when her supporter attacks others in the same fashion she feels defamed this time. Following statement: "You have never failed to be decent and courteous to me; even recently, during a vicious attack by Bhedo ji and HH ji, you have spoken in my defence and I am thankful for your support". Dumbasse returned to being reader after Bhedo cited what Dumbasse'a language on NepaliThiti. Sitara would also have denounced Dumbasse's words towards NepaliThiti. Since it was directed to NepaliThiti, it has nothing to do with Sitara, she even didn't care whether NepaliThiti was female or not, but, she cared was whether DA was supporting her or not. She should have stood "wrong as wrong" whether it was towards NepaliThiti or towards her. ............ Problem arises here. What I would feel if am there should be a thought. ......... Lets see how she misuse others name and how she twisted others name and personal things, : "Dr. Hahoo Phd. Guru.... A walking Advertisement for Phd. and GyaNex.... " and till this point she never had word "ashame" in her dictionary. She tried to use all tricks to kick out or played down to those who disagreed her. Now, when she is getting a equal weight rival, .... ask for plea ... . "I am women ... harassement". ... San has rightly said that there should not have been two way mudslinging, but, direct request to San to take action when you feel its a harassement. When make it to reach peak and fail to get things done using all ugly means, then, asking for help won't work. Worst part now in your side is to try to get help in the name of "Women", I would seen your valid point if you had defended NepaliThiti when Dumbasse made a wrong comment on her. Where did you consciousness gone? What happened to that "women" issue? So, lets be fair. Stop misusing others name. Sitara 's real face could be seen in thread "Why chicken crossed the road?". She had double standard in that thread. Those who were not on her side, she tried to insult as much as she could, but, those who were on her "gang" she tried to portray as much better as she could. If it was for a fun, there should not be double standard. ................... Did anyone notice, after Sitara invaded Sajha.com with her Zeninist one line bullets of words, all distinguished ladies have left the front line. This site turned out to be occupied by juvenille who tried to portray her as Emperor in the Emperor's cloth, and a notion was developed in this forum "Sitara makes no mistake". Anyone who pointed her mistakes, were kicked, punched and forced to leave. Bhedo is going to be the recent victim. Bhedo has already apologized to her, and that should have closed this blame game, but, Sitara wanted to kick him out with the juveniles like CZAR and others .......... Respect is earned. Learn to agree to disagree and respect those who disagree with you. GP |
| bhedo | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 02:38 PM
Yes GP you are 100% correct. Since Sitara and Czar (they've been flirting since they came here, so one is going to support the other, no doubt) invaded this forum, it has gone downhill big time. What happened to Surya aka anepalikt? Now Surya was truly intelligent, knew politics, knew how to debate. What happened to Sally? They are females too, has anybody seen me disrespect them? Sitara is responsible for driving them away. Since last August, this site has only been poems, poems and more poems. Now they're contriving to oust me from here. Buncha malarky, I tell ya. How about two forums? One for juveniles and poets and Zennists and missionaries, the other for people interested in politics and debate? That would totally solve all problems we're having here. |
| bhedo | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 03:06 PM
And she can say I attacked her schooling all she wants, because fact of the matter is my mom is a St. Mary's grad. |
| Yatree | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 03:18 PM
GP/HahooGuru ji, You have no shame! Purano ghaau kotyaye basi raakheko? Everytime Sitara is being attacked, you jump right in to trample her. Sitara and others made negative remarks about you AFTER you said women who are not married by the age of 35 is a whore (playgirl - your term, if not a "cult"). You have no idea where you slipped, do you? It is unbecoming a Guru. Chill out. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 05:27 PM
GP guru, Sorry to ink here, but from your recent postings I smell your feudalistic attitude towards women. It is up to you whether you agree or disagree me. GP wrote in <....> below: 1. <....peoples should give proof, i.e. either the excerpts of the statements or references.....> Is there a mechanism to save chat transcripts like in msn messenger? It is not realistic for GP ji to seek excerpts of the statements or references. Man, we r not in the court room, and it would be foollish for one to seek witnesses or statements. Don't you think so? 2. < ...It is very disappointing to read from Bhedo's posting Sitara made fun on others in their absence, now its turn her to apologize to those whose names were misused by her in their absence to defend her accusations::....Sitara has misused others name several time here in this forum the way it entertained her...... ......So, lets be fair. Stop misusing others name.....> Guru ji, the user name is unique and can't be used. It is baseless accusation. Just try using my username BHUNTE and see if you can use to create a new thread with that alias or be able to log in the sajha chat room. Guru ji, kag le kan lagyo bhandai ma kag ko pachhadi daudinu bhayena, afno kan pahila chhamnu paryo. Technically it is not possible. You are trying to fool yourself. 3. <.....Sitara thought that someone is acceptable to her as long as s/he does not attack her, but, she is not worried when her supporter attacks others in the same fashion she feels defamed this time......> That's your blatant expression. 4. <.....Lets see how she misuse others name and how she twisted others name and personal things, : "Dr. Hahoo Phd. Guru.... A walking Advertisement for Phd. and GyaNex.... " .....> I am not sure what Hahoo PhD is, unless you buy such a PhD in some street in Bihar? You can't earn PhD in a hahoo style. However, I have often encountered advertizement about Gyanex font in some threads in this web. To my view, it is a truely a walking advertizement. If it is not walking advertizement, the developer of the need to contact with some other IT marketer, or advertize in some newspaper, etc. 5. <..........She tried to use all tricks to kick out or played down to those who disagreed her. Now, when she is getting a equal weight rival, .... ask for plea ... . "I am women ... harassement". ...> Again, this is your weak feuadalistic view on women. What are the benefits using tricks here after all? For example, why anyone want to use trick against you or me? GP guru ji, It appears to me that probably you didn't comprehend what she wrote in earlier postings. So far I know, she is a lady with high morale. You can't even think to get into her profession without high morale, values, and standards. I suggest guru ji to abandon any 'samanti view' on women. Sorry, if I am hard. peace, bhunte |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 06:29 PM
Oh my, this thing has really turned nasty! I remember that Rasta guy being shown the door for far less offense...double standards? And my sympathies to Sitara...she does not deserve this kind of abuse. But don't let this run you down sista, as Rastaman would say. Some civility, please! |
| rmb | Posted
on 07-Jun-03 06:40 PM
Anybody who posts below this is an idiot. |
| sks | Posted
on 08-Jun-03 12:04 AM
hey suva chintak, where u been, broda? u still doing slave-work for your indie mastah or did u move on to bigger and better pastures? your humor has been missed, at least by me! |
| sks | Posted
on 08-Jun-03 12:07 AM
OOps! didnt see rmb's post. But what the heck, I've always been one. |
| Nepe | Posted
on 08-Jun-03 12:14 AM
I have shared my thoughts in the following thread, http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/openThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=10997 |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 08-Jun-03 05:43 PM
Dat be da spirit broda sks, dat be the spirit! Na, I and I not move to any greener pastures, Indi masta be da greenest of dem all! He just approve my Green Card...how green can you get, you tell me borda? He ask me to escort his neice back to Ludhiana, that was a lot of back breaking work, I tell you man. But at the end I did get to do the balle balle routine...made it all worth it. That be the reason for my abasence from de great Sajha. But now I am back. I am flattered you missed the humor...hopefully we can revive it in the post-bhedo episode. Now back to my tantooris! |
| Laughing Buddha | Posted
on 09-Jun-03 05:01 AM
Posted on 06-07-03 6:29 PM Reply "Oh my, this thing has really turned nasty! I remember that Rasta guy being shown the door for far less offense...double standards?"..... Suva Chintak Funny Isn't It? :=D)))) |
| saroj | Posted
on 09-Jun-03 07:43 AM
Yo double standard bhayeko site ma aununai kina parne ho kunni, baru khurukka single standard bhayeko site ma gayera chitta bujhayera basey hunthyo ni. I am so tired of people complaining about this and that in sajha. Noone is forcing you to come to this site. If you got problems about the way thing are here why don't you just stay the hell out and keep your whinning to yourself. Noone's gonna miss your sorry existence. Saroj, "just tired of all the whinning that's going on" |
| kiddo | Posted
on 09-Jun-03 12:55 PM
I don't have anything to do. Read all the posts. Ke ho double standard? |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 09-Jun-03 01:28 PM
Man what the Bleeep____!! Man look at these two pathetic creatures...Regardless of how well educated these both are...are caving into their pride. This is a clear case of he said she said. and will go on till eternity.. and still these two contemptuous creatures will not be satisfied. Go head keep throwing obscenities at each other and reveal us your true selves...Personally i think you should duke it out in National television show like Maybe..Umm Jerry Spinger, Rikki Lake, or Montell or even Howard Stern and spare us the Pain and Agony of reading yer Personal Garbage... |