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| Biggy Small |
Posted
on 10-Jun-03 02:14 PM
I don't know how the other Nepali's around the world feel but this five opposition parties protests in Nepal is becoming ridiculous. They are protesting against "no taxes" and their reasoning "since we don't have a local government". How foolish can they become? This kind of messages can be misinterpreted and lead to a kiosk in the country. What if a large group of people take it a step further to say "why only taxes, why not the law" and started looting and creating problems, who do we blame the foolish "FIVE OPPOSITION PARTY NETAS"? I just feel helpless sometimes and I have lost faith in journalists of Nepal who are almost always bought out by political parties and so are very biased. There are so many good writers who could send out articles to the Nepalese papers "both in English and Nepali" and try to convince the people through the art of writing. I have always heard the phrase "a pen is more powerful than a sword" I guess its time for us Sajhaites and Nepalis to practice it. If we could write good articles and than send them to newspapers in Nepal, even better if someone knows editors in Nepal. This may or may not work out but I guess there isn't harm in trying.
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 10-Jun-03 03:19 PM
No Tax? Ani desh kasari chalaune han.... What a begging attitude! I do not have any political religion, but let's look at the number of people behind these 5 parties..Just 30 people?? What a bunch of jokers!...lol
I just wonder where are all those 'Janatas' of 1990 who revolted for a democracy in Nepal. Probably they are sick and tired by now . Probably our respected leaders should rethink about where should we lead the country to......
Peace,
Bhunte
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| ruck |
Posted
on 10-Jun-03 03:27 PM
What are they doing there? playing ringa ringa roses???? sabai lai thunna napugeko....
:-((
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| Bond-007 |
Posted
on 10-Jun-03 03:56 PM
Biggy Small,
Constitution says *no taxes will be imposed without the authority of law*. What is debatable here is whether the Constitution is still in force and the current government is formed as per the spirit of the constitution and whether it can exercise the authority to enforce the law and collect the revenue under the constitution. As for me, I believe *no taxation without people's representation*
Constructive comments will be appreciated!
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 10-Jun-03 04:38 PM
Bond ji,
Should we leave the country like the post war Iraq where museums and shops are looted in anarchy?? Eventually there will be an elected government in Nepal.
bhunte
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| Bond-007 |
Posted
on 10-Jun-03 05:10 PM
Bhunte Ji,
I never said that we should leave the country in anarchy and don't think this government can continue for ever without holding an election. My point is, rule of law doesn't only apply to the tax payer it also applies to tax imposer/collector. The debate here is whether this government has a constitutional validity other than being appointed by the King who is supposed to be following constitution (not overriding the constitution with the backing of military). In my opinion the present government imposing and collecting taxes is not different than the Maoist imposing and collecting taxes. Will you pay taxes to Maoist if they ask you to? I have nothing against paying taxes, but I want to pay it to that government which represents citizen's wishes or a government formed within the constitution not to the government appointed by an accidental ruler.
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 10-Jun-03 06:41 PM
Bond ji,
"....... In my opinion the present government imposing and collecting taxes is not different than the Maoist imposing and collecting taxes......"
There are big differences between the way maoists are taxing people, and the beaurocracy has been collecting tax. I do not need to detail maoist's way of taxing people. However, the beaurocracy has been collecting the money per the Tax Act of the Kingdom of Nepal as prescribed by the then legislatures (many of whom might be the protesters in the above picture who are blocking the revenue collection office's gate). In any nation's history, there could be some brief pause of elected government. That doesn't necessarily void all the previous enacted laws of the nation also be inactive and leave the nation in the state of anarchy.
About the issue of who is on the right or wrong side of the constitution in the current context is always debatable, and is beyond my comprehension....
Bhunte
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| Bond-007 |
Posted
on 11-Jun-03 08:52 AM
Bhunte Ji,
------------In any nation's history, there could be some brief pause of elected government.--------------
The question is how brief is *some brief*? Does *some brief* period includes when Deuba was a caretaker PM and when Chand was and when Thapa is? If we add all these then we already passed one full year. And does that include the period when someone assumed the executive power of the country?
By the way why are we paying taxes anyway? So that the King can increase his allowance in the absence of an elected government?
There is a clear provision in the constitution *in the absence of elected representative the upper house can act in its behalf* let them decide the political course of the country; if not just tell the people when the elections will be held.
Its a * Natak* where GBBS has the leading role, unfortunately though he is playing the role of Junga Bahadur Rana. Slowly but surely the term *grand design* is making through my vocabulary!
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| Sadabichar |
Posted
on 11-Jun-03 12:47 PM
Mr. Bond 007,
Certainly you should join the group in the above picture... they are sort of in great need of volunteers!!!
Whoever sitting dharna above, truely believes "no tax" at this time, which also tells us that they have accepted the fact that they don;t honor the 2046 Nepal Consitution.
So Thapa Govt. is simply like a Panchayat Govt... and it will try to impose tax for sure...
The five opposition parties are the losers at this time. To be winner they have to win by Jan-Andolan II. Otherwise, they accept that the current govt. is as per 2046 Consitution.. wait for the election.. win the election.. then change the constitution. Ther is no middle path!!!
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 11-Jun-03 02:42 PM
Bond ji,
1. ..... The question is how brief is *some brief*?.....
Even a 10 year school boy knows how complicated is the situation in Nepal. So, one year is not so long period by any standard. At least there is no vaccum in the country to run the state.
2. ..... the King can increase his allowance .....
By the way, have you ever managed household expenditure in Nepal or done any groceries there? I have been out of the country over a decade, but was briefly there in 1996. At that time the price of an egg was about 50 paisa or so, but now I learned that it is Rs. 4 or so re. The price of food in Mugling at that time was about Rs.10/chhak, but it is Rs. 35/chhak. How much did the price for a whopperchanged between 1996 and 2002 in USA? I believe, it is almost by 0%.
In the case of Nepal, one won't be able to buy the same bundle of goods (G) with a fixed amount of money (M) in year (t+1) compared to year(t). In a country where inflation has been spiraling @ 20% or so, why not to increase King's allowances? If you were in the same position, you would also expect the same if you behave rationally.
3. .....Its a * Natak* .... *grand design* .....
I would be happy to see if you have a blue print of the Natak or whatever.
Peace,
Bhunte
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| Bond-007 |
Posted
on 11-Jun-03 04:30 PM
Dear sadabichar ji,
---------Certainly you should join the group in the above picture... they are sort of in great need of volunteers!!!-------------
You are personally attacking me by saying the above sentence. I am offended with this and notified the admin. I will wait for them to take the action, if they don't I will know what is the acceptable level of personal attack and will certainly respond to you. Until then bye!
Bhunte ji,
No *sikayat* against you, we all have rights to respectfully decent with each other. Will look forward to exchange views with you in the future. Thanks!
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| Sadabichar |
Posted
on 11-Jun-03 04:53 PM
Mr. Bond-007:
When somebody asks you to do something for your own country, you are offended? Point to ponder !!!
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| Sadabichar |
Posted
on 12-Jun-03 05:03 PM
Mr. Bond-007:
I did give you a very constructive comments and suggestion... but you remained quiet.
Bolnu ra Garnu ma kati farak chha ta?
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| Bond-007 |
Posted
on 13-Jun-03 08:42 AM
Sadabichar Ji,
I was out of town yesterday, so couldn't reply to you. Regarding my sitting in dharna, I don't care about it. All I care about is whether my hard earned money is properly spent by a proper government or not. It doesn't make sense to me paying taxes for today's government because they don't represent me as a citizen. If you are OK with this government please go ahead and pay my share of taxes too. If someone (including GBBS) wants government of his choice he better pay to run the government out of his own pocket (thats how GBBS can best utilize his money amassed in and out of Nepal)
Thanks for your comments anyway!!
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