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| rmb |
Posted
on 11-Jun-03 06:20 PM
I just stumbled upon this site. Check it out.
http://www.stopsacrifice.org/intro/intro.html
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| ruck |
Posted
on 11-Jun-03 06:39 PM
rmb, thanks for the link...
manche maarne haru ta mandir mandir chardai chan, jhan janawar maarna ta ke chaadlaan ra?
It's really sad.. :-((
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 12-Jun-03 08:44 AM
Hunata, jatti maasu ghiche ni tyo maar haaneko chai maile kahilai pani herna sakina hai...but still, ma ta bhanchhu...ki maasu nai khaana chhodnu paryo, natra tyo animal right-sight bhanera chichyanu chaai hypocrisy jasto laagchha...maar hanos, goli haanos, muda le dankaayera khutrukkai paros, jhir le ghochera thaharai paaros...either way, the end result is death to that animal. Tyo karaune maanchhe vegetarian bhaye maanchhu, natra jaau baabu, aafno baato laaga...
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| ruck |
Posted
on 12-Jun-03 09:09 AM
Poonte dai, aba hamro vegetarian club join garne hoina ta tyaso bhaye..?? Welcome Welcome..
:-))
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| bhenda2 |
Posted
on 12-Jun-03 09:13 AM
ho maar hanya ta ma pani herna sakdeena.....tara animal right bhanney haru ta vegetarian hunu paryo....haina ra kaso?
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 12-Jun-03 09:27 AM
Veggie club re? hetteri...yesto taruno chhandai malai veggie banaaidine? eheheh
haina, baini...aek din chhadi arko din maasu chyaatna napaunda aafnai saapra chapaun-chapaun laagne yo masu ko bhogi vegetarian ta banya banai bho ni...tara tei ho...aafno haat le hatya gardina, ani tyo hatya gareko ni aafno naanggo nayan le darshan gardina...koi arule nai katai maareko raichha bhane chaai...pakaune, polne, taarne dekhun liyera gwam gwam ghichne kaam chai jarur garchhu ma ;)
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| Bal Matlab |
Posted
on 12-Jun-03 12:57 PM
Jai ho,
Kura chahi nikalya ho rmb le. Malai pani tyo animal mareko herna ta sakdina tara, kura ke cha bhane ni. Je gari maros matlab ta ke, Bal Matlab ho. Tai pani, saasti diyera, retera mareko bhanda ta ekai choti ma maar hanera marekai thik lagcha. Marnu ta khaas thik haina, tara ke garnu khanai paryo, bachnai paryo.
Poonte ji, euta idea hai - idea pani haina imagination bhanu na. Yedi tanpai lai marnu paryo bhane ke gari mareko bes lagcha. Saasti bhanda ta ekai choti, or unconscious parera thik huncha jasto lagcha ni haina ta?? Na risau hai bro - khali eso prasna uthako matrai ho. Personally ta tanpai 100 barsa bachun ni...hehehe haina ta.
Vegeterian pani try garya ho ni.. ke garnu pahilo haftai khutrukai bhayo. Eutai table ma masu dekhna saath ta tul tul lagi halthyo. Ke garnu sakiyena, tesaile masu-terian. Maile marni chiz bhaneko tehi lam-khutte ho. Sarho tension dincha, natra bhaye ta marni thiyena ni...
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| xxintriguexx |
Posted
on 12-Jun-03 02:28 PM
RMB this is a real eye opener and thanks for bringing it out. Ruck you are rite in what you say and it is "really sad" like you say. I knew about Dashain but had no idea that we had another of the kind called Gadhi mai.
With fear i browsed thru the site and the sight that greeted me was awaful. I never could have imagined that our king would be a catalyst for these these horrible crimes. Now that i come to think of it I am ashamed of our king and our superstitious so called mandir pujaris. I think it is the pujaris that should be sacrificed at the alters rather than the innocent animals for god would be more happy to have his close associates than the animals.
RMB the site that you posted has definitely instilled in me a feeling of guilt coz i eat meat but killing animals in the name of religion that is just horrendous. I am also ashamed that while it takes the will of people from other countries to put a stop to this carnage we the people from land of Buddha stay on and watch as mere spectators while the entire episode of cruelty towards animal unfold in our country. Its time we acted like the article says. We gotta pull our acts together be it small or big and send petition to the nepelese embassy and our government and say it loud for the whole world to hear that we do not want to be a part of this babaric act in which people sacrifice animals for goodluck and wealth. Thank your RMP for bringing this up and i really mean it.
In simple words its time we got our acts together for together we can change the society that we live in and i believe that together we can make a difference. Anyone who is not moved after seeing the site posted above is a person with out feeling and i got four words for you and that is "you are a loser."
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| ruck |
Posted
on 12-Jun-03 03:19 PM
Bal Matlab ji,
Maasu nakhai baachna sakinna bhanna chahi ali milena hola, heehe.. khoi haami aaja ko miti samma baachekai chau....
Maasu khaane na khaane bhanda pani, bhgawan sanga bhakal gareko kura pugyo bhane, khasi , kukhura maarne re mandir maa, yo chahi kaha ko nyay ho hai.. aafno kura manauna , aru lai maarne ?
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 12-Jun-03 04:11 PM
Hey guys,
How about the human sacrifices the Maoists are performing on the alter of their god called Mao? I know they shoot some of their victims so the victim may die a relatively quick death. But at other times, they are know to follow a very elaborate and excruciatingly drawn out ritual while performing their human sacrifices. For example, first move is to slowly break most of the bones in the legsa and the arms. Then they slowy take out the eyes and chop off the ears. While this is going on, others get ready to chop off the head with a khukiri. Finally, they complete the process by shooting a few bullets into the body, or what remains of it.
If you ask me, this is far more cruel than what the temple baje does to the boka. So, may be there is a need to pay attention to safeguarding human rights while we set about protecting animal rights in Nepal.
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| xxintriguexx |
Posted
on 12-Jun-03 08:58 PM
Ruck timi ley bha nay ko kura thik ho. BalMatlab jeu khanu lai maray ko ra teasi bhagwan ko lagi aru lai bali dinu ma dherai pharag huncha. Masu nakhai pani manchay haru bachi rahay ko nai chan.
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| bhenda2 |
Posted
on 13-Jun-03 08:21 AM
tara hamilai masu mitho lagchha....khanalai marnai parchha....pheri hami halal pani ta gardainam nee....I think halal is cruel, slow painfull death.....
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| Bal Matlab |
Posted
on 13-Jun-03 08:28 AM
Ruck ji, ani xxintiguexx ji,
Maile teso kaha bhanna khojeko ho ra. I didn't mean that no one could survive eating meat. I just meant that it was very difficult for me. I have been eating meat since i had consciousness and tehi ta ho ni jibro le swad payo aba chodnai garho.
Bachna ta dherai manche masu na khai bancheka chan ni..tara afulai chahi sarhai garho. try garya unsuccessful.
Tara the other thing ek dam sahi thapchu hai ma ta. Yaar masu khane afu, naam chahi bhagwan ko. bhagwan ko image matrai kharab. Bhakal rakhyo re, boko kinyo re ani bali diyo re. Ani akhir ma chahi but bhat gari masu khani chahi bhagwan haina bhakal rakhni manche po. Bhakal rakhera, baru U can set free an animal ni. Like parewa udauni. Kina marnai paryo..
Masu khani ho bhane ta bazaar ma kinera lera bhaigo ni..haina ta??
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| bhenda2 |
Posted
on 13-Jun-03 08:34 AM
I think all the people talking about animal rights should stop eating meat.....just because they dont see animal butchered here in the western countries does not mean that the animals are not killed.....I have heard lots of horrid stories from Nepalese guys working in one of those slaughter houses....I know its a pretty gruesome sight for people not used to seeing blood....but Da! thats what happens in slaughter houses too...
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 13-Jun-03 09:07 AM
Halal and Kosher slaughter 'must end'
Most butchers have to stun animals first
The method of animal slaughter used by Jews and Muslims should be banned immediately, according to an independent advisory group.
The Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC), which advises the government on how to avoid cruelty to livestock, says the way Kosher and Halal meat is produced causes severe suffering to animals.
Both the Jewish and Muslim religions demand that slaughter is carried out with a single cut to the throat, rather than the more widespread method of stunning with a bolt into the head before slaughter.
Kosher and Halal butchers deny their method of killing animals is cruel and have expressed anger over the recommendation.
'Clearly suffering'
One worshipper at the Central London Mosque told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "Everything about the Islamic way of life is under attack so it makes you wonder if this is actually about humanity to animals."
Peter Jinman, president of the British Veterinary Association said vets respected people's religious beliefs, but urged Muslims to be respectful of animals too.
The brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain
Muslim Council of Great Britain
"We're looking at what is acceptable in the moral and ethical society we live in," he told Today.
FAWC said it wanted an end to the exemption currently allowed for Kosher and Halal meat from the legal requirement to stun animals first.
It says cattle can take up to two minutes to bleed to death - amounting to an abuse of the animals.
"This is a major incision into the animal and to say that it doesn't suffer is quite ridiculous," said FAWC chairwoman, Dr Judy MacArthur Clark.
Compassion in World Farming backed the call, saying: "We believe that the law must be changed to require all animals to be stunned before slaughter."
'Way of life'
Muslims and Jews argue that their long established method of slaughter results in a sudden loss of blood from the head, causing animals to feel virtually nothing.
Q&A: Animal slaughter
They say they will fight any attempt to prevent a practice required by their religion and central to their way of life.
One rabbi, who had been practicing the Jewish method of animal slaughter for around 40 years, told BBC News: "The process takes a fraction of a second.
"With a very, very sharp knife all the vessels in the neck are severed and that means there's no blood going to the brain and the animal loses consciousness very rapidly and dies soon after that."
The Muslim Council of Britain says animals are not distressed when they are slaughtered.
"It's a sudden and quick haemorrhage. A quick loss of blood pressure and the brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain," said spokesman Dr Majid Katme.
The Humanists movement, which has previously called for the abolition of ritual slaughter, said ethical values should be put above religious ones.
"There is no imperative for Muslims or Judaists to eat meat produced in this manner," said spokesman Roy Saich.
"There is no reason why they should not simply abstain from eating meat altogether if they do not wish to eat the same meat as the rest of us."
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| robin |
Posted
on 13-Jun-03 11:52 AM
Lot of educated people in Nepal are avoiding animal slaughter in favor of using coconut or some other fruit/veg for "bali" these days. I know my father did stop bali that our ancestors had been offering to Maiti-devi temple every year in dashain for "Nariwal to bali" and I know others in our family / friends who followed him. I think more education needs on this area. I am glad this is being discussed.
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 13-Jun-03 11:57 AM
hya poonte bro le bhaneko thik ho.. ki ta masu khanai chadna paryo, ki ta nakarai basna paryo.. ey baba..j gare pani last ma presssure cooker dekchi thaal kachaura hudai masu hamrai pet ma jane ho..
aaba masu nakhaye k khane? masu khana parcha.. ecological food chain nabigarna pani.. jibam jibeti vaxyanam..
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| Hellbound |
Posted
on 13-Jun-03 12:21 PM
poonte,
Isolated freak got the KEY point here. Yes, we need to balance ecological food chain system. Think this way- within the US, if they bann deer hunting for a year, how many deers will grow up per year? Yes, there are certain animals that need to be preserved for their existance, but not all. And, don't follow idea that you will not go to HELL if you quit eating meat product. Plants and vegtables are also living things, aren't they?
Once you born as animal/human beings/, you are entered into the system and you can't stray away from the system. That's why, stop thinking about becoming vegetarian, just to avoide remorse.
About animal rights-- my own theory, "all animals can not be treated in the same way."
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 13-Jun-03 12:26 PM
Hellbound hit the nail on the head! WITH A BIG THUD!
Maybe instead of worrying about animal rights so much, lets start with humans ourselves, like our suva chintak broda has brought up the issue!
I don't think we need to give up our tradition just because SUDDENLY WE HAVE BECOME SO SYMPATHETIC TO CERTAIN ANIMALS. If that were the case, we'd all be wearing mask and walk around with a broom, for you may kill thousands of creatures everyday tyo ni SASTI DI DI! bhayo k?
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