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| allare |
Posted
on 17-Jun-03 03:31 AM
I am surprised to read that SAJHA is not commercial site. Then what about the adv thats running in Sajha? Are these adv running for free ?
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| Master_Of_One_Liners |
Posted
on 17-Jun-03 03:42 AM
Yeah, free ads because your benevolent father is shouldering the costs of running a website.
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| allare |
Posted
on 18-Jun-03 07:00 AM
Well, I think, i should have sent this question to San by email. Anyway, thought of having some view of other sajhabasi when Sajha states that Sajha is non-commercial site. I might be misunderstanding the meaning of commercial here.
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| qallu |
Posted
on 18-Jun-03 07:14 AM
Master-of-one-liner's one liners are so marginal that I think the guy needs to return to school for retraining. The Master might also take a course in civility just to get extra certification so that he has wider mass appeal..... and if the Mater's goal is simply to be obnoxious and rude, then Bravo!! You done good.
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| allare |
Posted
on 18-Jun-03 01:10 PM
Well qallu, i do not know what is goal of master_of_one_liners, but i am really sad not to get any answer in this regard from any concerned sajhaities. But who cares.... hoina ta.. either sajha is commercial or non commercial, as far as its giving platform to share intelletual it does not matter.
But on other side, why there is no answer for this simple question?
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| ??! |
Posted
on 18-Jun-03 01:38 PM
Sajha has not reached that commercial level yet... IT'S A NON-FOR-PROFIT Organization which thrives with the active participation of all sajhaities... San is putting the largest share of his time and money to run this site... with occassional volunteerary contribution from other members. Read the about sajha section to find more. As the hosting charge costs san significant part of his wage, he has to find some ways to survive this forum in its current level... if some one pays two months of hosting charge in return to putting a banner for some time.. it does not hurt anyone, right? This is what I understood how sajha gets running on the server... Therefore, I understand 'Sajha is not Commercial Site' as of today...
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| NK |
Posted
on 18-Jun-03 01:42 PM
Allare, if a site gets paid (however miniscule) for advertising then I think you can call that a commercial site. Since you were "...really sad not to get any answer in this regard from any concerned sajhaities" I thought I should give you some relief from your sadness. However, let me say this: I am not really a "concerned sajhaite". Perhpas just a *wondering sajhite*, if you must. :)
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| san |
Posted
on 18-Jun-03 02:58 PM
As always, I can trust the keen observations from the esteemed visitors to correct ambiguous or wrong information in the site.
This thread prompted me to look up on dictionary.com which listed the following 3 definitions:
1. Of or relating to commerce: a commercial loan; a commercial attaché.
2. Having profit as a chief aim: a commercial book, not a scholarly tome.
3. Sponsored by an advertiser or supported by advertising: commercial television.
This site does not really fit the first definition since it does not really do commerce. The Second one, not really since profit is not really a motive here. The third one however does appear to be the case since the hosting cost is pretty much sponsored by the advertisers.
Hence thanks all for pointing it out. I have now changed "SAJHA is not commercial site" to "SAJHA is not a Profit Oriented site".
As far being profitable goes, the amount of man-hour it takes and has taken me to maintain a site of this size all goes in as my personal contribution time and not worth nickel and diming, since I have no regrets in doing so.
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| thapap |
Posted
on 18-Jun-03 05:56 PM
san ji,
probably you can have sajha register as a non-profit organization [it may already be ..pardon my ignorance].get them give you a letter for your volunteer work or contribution equating to $$ and you can use it as a tax deduction (O:. [schedule A of 1040 if you are in us]; if you ever consider nickel and diming your time.
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| GP |
Posted
on 18-Jun-03 07:08 PM
Personally, I will not feel offended even if Sajha.com turns out to be commercial site, as long as San ji allows me free access to (after free of charge registration). I am not forced join or leave. There is nothing free lunch. Invite an economist give him a free
lunch, and he will explain you why the lunch was in fact not a free stuff. So, someone
has to vouch the cost, and now it might be San, and if we want Sajha.com to remain
active and serving us for long, then we must find sponsors and for that Sajha.com may
need banners and even require to turn to commercial site. If it can not satisfy us,
as Kunga's e-nepal.com failed to remain a hot-site for Nepalis after Kunga is said to
have sold it out to a commercial company, and finally, that is no longer a hot-website.
If Beckham could be sold to Real Madrid by UM, why Sajha.com can not be sold out?
That day will come soon or later. IF we don't expect so, it will die like TND almost
died after Mr. Rajpal Singh entered a job market, and all those free discussions in
TND died............ Well, I am wondering how long Ujjwal ji can carry it (re-vived-TND) on his own expense? The cost of web-hosting is really expensive for sites like
Sajha.com where data transfer rate is not within 2-3GigaByte per month, but, it is
probably 20-30GB per day. So, Sajha.com is very much fragile as the number of
surfers expand. San will be under the pressure of finding sponsors, and one day
he will be left with two possibilities (because of web hosting cost ):
1. close down sajha.com for forever.
2. Sell it to third party as a purely commercial site.
The expected 3rd option: to remain non-profit site will be impossible impossible and impossible.
There is one last possible way of bailing it out:
Create a Sajha Cyber Community or Sajha Cyber Society, register it in Kathmandu's HMG District Office, and run it as non-profit organization like CAN. Raise the funds by
membership ............ can have two class of Forum-Members: Paid Members and non-paid members. Allow Paid Members to have nick-names within 2-5 characters. Non
members can have nick-names that should have 6 or more characters. Delete non-members nicknames as in hotmail after 2 months of continuous absence from Sajha.com
In order to make Sajha.com more lively: One time payment: life membership. No burden of additional payments.
If you are interested in registering such organization: I guess IF, Ashu and others
stationed in Nepal can initiate such formal society. Let it have executive committee ..
the cost of running it be the burden of the executive committee. Don't let same
person to occupy same position not more than 2 terms. A person who occupies
higher ranked position should not return to lower ranked position in order to
satisfy this clause. I remember in another society a guy tried to switch position
laterally and downward, I had to fire him ...........................shooooooooooooot.
The formal society can really be a powerful to make Sajha.com alive for long long time ahead. San should be the founding President of this Sajha Cyber Society.
I am ready to pay my membership + my personal donation.............
We need to make Sajha.com organized to extend its life span longer ............
Who knows one day it can turn out to be great driving force towards betterment of Nepal. If we fail to organize it / systematize it, it will be like SomSharma ko Bau ko Katha............
No offense to San and Sajha.com. Sajha.com can survive only if we prepare another person to take in-charge of his jobs, and free San to move ahead with other challenging responsibilities. In democracy, we must be prepared to have next tier of leaders to take responsibilities, and we will fail if there is a vacum between top level leader and next to it. This is why our NC, UML ........ are failed political parties.
GP
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| forget-me-not |
Posted
on 18-Jun-03 08:02 PM
GP.
Good thought.
I do agree with San dai that for hosting and other costs, banner ads are necessary.
As GP said we should/could make sajha a Non for profit organisation provided san dai agrees to it.
We need to think about this seriously.
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| GurL_Interrupted |
Posted
on 18-Jun-03 09:59 PM
As far as I am aware and concerned...San dai is the best person to be an admin of this site! Why not just move on one step at a time, like we are doing now...rather than thinking 'bout the whole thing at one single moment and changing the whole course of the sajha?
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| saroj |
Posted
on 18-Jun-03 10:14 PM
This GP is tripping on something for sure. If San owns this site, why would he turn this into a non profit organization???? I am sure he would rather turn it into a for his profit organization.
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| babaal |
Posted
on 18-Jun-03 10:21 PM
Everyone, shut the fk up and let the site be as it is, will ya?
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| Master_Of_One_Liners |
Posted
on 18-Jun-03 11:20 PM
Gallu, are you sure the vowels in your name have not switched places?
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| le chef du nuit |
Posted
on 18-Jun-03 11:38 PM
that was good
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| GP |
Posted
on 19-Jun-03 12:54 AM
Forget-me-not: GP said we should/could make sajha a Non for profit organisation provided san dai agrees to it.
Exactly. Its not about turning San irrelevant, but, making San more relevant and his works lasting longer. If some cynics of GP want to cut his posting in the way it entertains them, what can GP do. Just smile................ hehehe.......... GP does not expect to satisfy every idiots they surf Sajha.com whose main aim here is to twist things cynically and sarcastically. GP knows very well that those who are satisfied with GP's postings are great and precious people for GP. Let those idiots try to abuse GP's postings or GP. Fortunately, GP won't give them even ........... Only thing GP can do from now onward is to isolate/neglect their postings and not to refer their name, even when they have excellent postings. ................
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| GP |
Posted
on 19-Jun-03 12:57 AM
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GP has created a list of idiots in Sajha.com, and they will be neglect for ever. Their name will never appear in GP's postings, even when they have best postings.
GP
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| Neural |
Posted
on 19-Jun-03 02:25 AM
In my opinion, all Sajha members are the best in his/her one way. Furthermore, all r educated here&.and have their one way of thinking and scrutinize anything. This is not the place to show ones pride here.
GP said: GP has created a list of idiots in Sajha.com, and they will be neglect for ever. Their name will never appear in GP's postings, even when they have best postings.
By going thru the above sentence by GP, I cant stop myself to drop few words over here. Idiot, why is he using this word? Is this really an appropriate word? Is it necessary to use it? Who the one is to describe or point out others????? One can present his/her own idea without misusing the word.
I really see eye to eye with this by Babaal let the site be as it is, will ya? Yes, its going smoothly&.. I am not totally disagree with GP thoughts when I went thru his first post, it seemed okie&.However, one can snatch this thing from GP explanation that there is always one and only one gr8, i.e., GP, GP & GP who wants to get UNDERLINED by himself. No one here in SAJHA gonna care his list of idiots&.huhhh&.its really nauseating&&.
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 19-Jun-03 02:31 AM
Neural, if you are Dr. Upendra Devkota, you need to fix GP's neural network.
I was also wondering who are in GP's I--- list. Probably it is IGP-- the highest ranking police officer. What business this IGP has in making such a list? Kam na pa ko mula?
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| Qallu |
Posted
on 19-Jun-03 07:25 AM
Master of one liners... were my name spelled with a "G" that little jab would have been just a little bit better than marginal though still uncivil and pathetic. Since my name here is Q.A.L.L.U, your one liner was a no go!
Try again.
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| :)(: |
Posted
on 19-Jun-03 07:36 AM
GP le kya ramro kura nikalyo bhanya ta lasta aayera san bro lai sajha.com bata fire garne po bhancha.
GP: No offense to San and Sajha.com. Sajha.com can survive only if we prepare another person to take in-charge of his jobs, and free San to move ahead with other challenging responsibilities. In democracy, we must be prepared to have next tier of leaders to take responsibilities, and we will fail if there is a vacum between top level leader and next to it. This is why our NC, UML ........ are failed political parties.
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| GP |
Posted
on 19-Jun-03 05:44 PM
Oho manche: :)(: ,
Don't get me wrong. No one in America can make living from Sajha.com alone
at least making it truely self sponsored non-profit website. You might know
Rajpal Singh started TND and it lasted more than 10years, when Rajpal
Singh switched (seems like that) to job, he left TND and TND almost died for
few years. Ujjwal came this year to revive it. Ujjwal is also facing finanacial
shortage as well as lack of number of persons in editorial borad. Thats why
the new face of TND is still fragile, and it depends on Ujjwal's free time, how
long Ujjwal can dedicate his free time? It is really very difficult to carry it
always on your shoulder, a day will come when you will want to go ahead
with some other interesting things and you will have to hand it over to
someone else. In order to make your work worth and make it continued
for years to come, its better to create a mechanism to make your creative work
last longer.
Similarly, at the moment, I have no doubt that San is dedicated to keep Sajha.com
mainly financed from his own account, and partly shared by those banners.
But, looking at the cost of webhosting, especially, the website with 3000 users,
and lot of photographs, I wonder what could be the cost of hosting this website.
Well, some may argue that "its none of your biz. to know how much does it costs
to run Sajha.com", but, as a well wisher of Sajha.com and San, I am interested in
hearing better ways to relieve the web-hosting costs be covered away from his
personal funds. Thus, its time to think of finding enough sponsors. The number of
users will go up after ANA 's convention in Colorado, then, the cost per unit
GigaByte transfer will have to be met to size Sajha.com's budget?
When the webhosting company asks for upgrading the webhosting menu, either
Sajha.com has to go for increased gigabyte transfer rate, or CUT the features
that consume major part of Giga Byte transfer rate. e.g. photographs will be
removed from main section. Size of pictures will be squeezed....... I have witnessed
San switching this site between different webhosting companies when Sajha.com
grown up from small community around the end of 2000 to now.
In this scenario, if San can find enough sponsors, and he can make his living (at least relieving his pocket money, not to be used for Sajha.com) from
Sajha.com, it will be great to see San spending whole life serving Sajha.com making
it vibrant and a community website for us all the way ................... I wonder
whether Sajha.com can be such a powerful from Biz. point of view to create enough
revenue to run someone professional's living ? If not what should we do to make
it alive for years?
Personally, it can be said that San might take Sajha.com for
antoher 5 years or 10years, but, I doubt from the webhosting costs and personal
time (=time is money), how long will San alone will carry the Sajha.com, and
in the days ahead he will be under pressure to upgrade his system from Text
based posting in the early days, to now pictures, and in the days ahead he will
be under the pressure of putting sounds/musics as the number of surfers increase ......
.................. Finally, a day will come that its execution should be shared by a group
of people: it might be San's own Incroporated: Sajha.com, Inc. company or
community or group ............... I am just proposing what can be done to
support San when this day arrives.
If San continues to dedicate this website for
our community, thats great, really great, I have no complain against it. But,
I am worried about if a day comes when San is under pressure from from his regular
personal work place, can not find the time or monetary resource to run heavy
weight Sajha.com, are we prepared to share it? or, let it collapse? Lets not
forget that small companies or community come and go, but, big communities or
companies should have self moving mechanism and failure to have such
mechanism, they will collapse one day when the key person leaves the organization?
TND and e-Nepal.com were examples. Well, the day may not be in 2-3-5 years,
but, .................... Lets not forget Hotmail.com has sqeezed free mailbox size,
then, it deleted our "send" folder's old gold emails instantly without enough prior notice,
and Yahoo.com also squeezed byte transfer quota to few ............... So,
running a website for giant companies is also great difficult part in offering free stuffs,
then, I wonder whether one man webhosting sponsorship + management (time=money) is really a lasting mechanism.? So, guys think it ? Its not about kicking San out of Sajha.com, its about the day when San says "Guys, come ahead, I need to leave today, someone should take care of Sajha.com. I am unable to take prime role, but, can be helping hand ................. ".
No offense to San. Not meant to kick out San as Site Admin, but, to search his successor on the day San wishes to hand it over to next capable successor. Next successor can be a company: sell it out, or a community or another person, e.g. Ujjwal in TND's case.
Try to understand inside. Don't run on the surface, guys.
GP
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 19-Jun-03 05:56 PM
Master of Oneliners and Le Chef identical twins switched at cyber birth in Sajha? :)
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| knt |
Posted
on 19-Jun-03 06:03 PM
"Gallu, are you sure the vowels in your name have not switched places?"
Hahahhahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahhahahahah
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| Master_Of_One_Liners |
Posted
on 20-Jun-03 04:50 AM
Hey Mr. I-was-insecure-enough-to-change-it-to-Q, it looked like a friggin' g - so sue me.
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| qallu |
Posted
on 20-Jun-03 07:10 AM
Sue on you maybe. And someone probably will. It won't be me though.
it looked like a q or it looked like a g... regardless. you are still a f-ing monkey.
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