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| fiesta | Posted
on 24-Jun-03 09:38 PM
Why are there so little successful nepalese that I know of. Are they some rare breeds or stay under the radar? I dont think 5% of Nepalese who come here will be considered successful here. Yeah...Yeah I do realize we not been here long but there is definately sth wrong that we are doing and sth right the rest of them are doing. No offence to anyone please fee free to add comments |
| wizard of oz | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 02:02 AM
Dear fiesta Success is a relative term. By the way what does success means: Qualification, Good job, Money...?Considering the present (or past) condition of the country, leaving Nepal for overseas, particularly AMERICA, is itself a big success. Ask your friends left behind in Nepal, they will say you are a success. Its very personal issue. Regard of Down Under (Ooops...regards from Down Under) |
| Arnico | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 07:55 AM
Fiesta, what is "here"? Tapain kun gaun ma basnuhunchha? |
| Hellbound | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 08:35 AM
>>"I dont think 5% of Nepalese who come here will be considered successful here." What areas did you look for the projection?? You mean, just getting a normal education (like BS, MS, or PhD) and working in related field!! Is that what you looking at? If so, then the percentage should be little higher. However, the percent should be less than 5% if you are taking about successful in terms of getting degrees from *well-reputed* colleges/universities such as Stanford, Harvard, and MIT --and holding *executive* positions in companies/firms. How many nepalese are CEO? CFO? President? or Chief Scientists in the US?? Now, why the number is so low? There might be several reasons that keep the numbers so low, but I would say there is nothing wrong with our breed. It is just that only quite a few Nepalese have awareness to go *beyond* their goals. You always need an extra effort to push yourself up to reach the sky. Second reason might be the nepalese population in the US. Comparing with Indians, Nepalese population in the US is very low, so there may not be good turnout from existing population. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 10:43 AM
Brother from Down Under, You are absolutely right, success is a relative term. All I have been doing is flipping tandooris for a Indi mastah for years here in the Land of the Brave and the Home of the Free, but all my villagers back in Nepal think I am a big success...their version of Bill Gates. Sometimes they ask me how much I make. I say Rs. 500/hour and they roll their eyes and gasp "Ye ratti, ke bigna achakli ha yesto!" But what should count as a success here for Nepali immigrants? Small home, a car, occasional vaction, a comely woman, CEO position? Six figure income (who was that Shah girl who made good money selling cell phones last year?) could also be an indicator. Peace of mind? What about satisfaction instead of success? Are all successful people satisfied? And so on and so forth... |
| SITARA | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 10:52 AM
I am a successful frogess in my little well! Any one croaking against my vote better be a *successful* prince! |
| bhenda2 | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 10:54 AM
I think I am a succesful person because I am happy with what I am doing and what I have....and I really dont long for big things in life....like a big ass house or a six figure salary.....one may think that I am not a very ambitious person..but who cares...I dont live my life by worrying about what other people think of me.... |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 11:22 AM
Sitarajyu, From reading numerous postings over the months, I got the impression that you were happily 'taken' by a successful man. What is this croaking for a "successful prince?" Have the janata janardhans been misled all along...it seems like the vast right wing conspirarcy of WMD ... women of mass deceptions! All in jest! |
| SITARA | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 01:14 PM
Indeed, a conspiracy it is! Single and NOT Looking does NOT equal to Single and Taken! What is this? WMI?? Weapons of Men's Interrogation? OR WMA?? Weapon's of Men's Assumptions? ;) |
| ViVashMe | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 01:37 PM
Just posting a link to related thread that i started in April, 2002: http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/openthread.cfm?forum=94&ThreadID=3686&show=all |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 02:05 PM
Sitarajyu, I stand guilty as accused on both counts of WMI and WMA...and all I can plead for here is a lenient sentence. May the jury have mercy! On a different note: "Single and NOT Looking does NOT equal to Single and Taken!" being the case, I see it as my civic duty to warn of an impending stampede in Sajhapur for the crown of "*successful* prince!" In jest! |
| SITARA | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 04:41 PM
"...as my civic duty to warn of an impending stampede in Sajhapur for the crown of "*successful* prince!" .... suva chintak Cyber stampede? ...and I thought all cattle given to such volatile tendencies have been removed! Oh how deceptively lulling this cyber security is! Wel-wisher ji, I thank you for the warning! In jest. |
| Neural | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 07:11 PM
In Nepal, ** literacy rate low ** urabanization rate < rural ** no value even if u r Ph.D. holder ** Industrialization : damn poor ** About 85% of Nepals Population remains in the villages (out of 24 million) and only about 15% Nepaleses have become fortunate to use the electric power so far. A COUNTRY KNOWN AS THE IInd RICHEST IN HYDRO POWER :((( ** literacy rate < 30% (am not sure, but it was few yrs back) ** employment rate : kurai nagarua so what is success?????? who are the successful Nepalese??? Among 24 million,, how many CREAMY are there?? none of the skilled Nepalese prefers to stay in Nepal -- why ?? is it due to lack of opportunity? no one will praise his education. One has to change hi/her field for survival. ===> If one is Ph.D. holder,,,,,still many nepali assume him as a Medical Dr. and ask him "aaja mero bachcha birami chha... hajur lai fursta chha hola.... yeso heridinus na.... ke vayo ke vayo.. 2-4 din dekhi joro ghatekai hoina.. yeso .... ." Dr. saab faints!!! ===> If one is an engineer ( E&E, CS, Mech, Civil...or any other ), still many Nepali believe that this guy might know how to build house. "Engineer saaab, mero ghar banaunu thiyo.. yeso NAKSHAA koridinus na....." . Engineer vanne bittikai ghar banaune sochchhan..... hoina hoina ma taElectrical Engineer hajur... malai nakshaa korna audaina.... TESO VAYE MERO GHAR MAA BIJULI BATTI FIT GARDINUS NA TA :((((((((((((((((((((( Engineer faints !!!! aru ke vanu.... laazai laagera aauchha... :( suva chintak : ......................but all my villagers back in Nepal think I am a big success...their version of Bill Gates. ****This is true. However, It does not mean that those Nepali who r in US/Uk/Japan or any other well developed countries, are the only successful one. But, for those staying in NEPAL without satisfying job, we are the successful person for them (in their mind). For them, we are Bill Gates (source: suv chintak) *** suva chintak: Sometimes they ask me how much I make. I say Rs. 500/hour and they roll their eyes and gasp "Ye ratti, ke bigna achakli ha yesto!" Rs. 500 p.hr ==== of course all will roll their eyes. If one says, he has to pay for apartment, let's say 4oo bucks............. what will they do???? will they close their eyes, or nasuneko jasto garchha???? A masters graduate working in ICIMOD gets around 40,000 NRs (am not sure), here he/she is spending 400 $ 4 aptt. only ???? [ but one should not compare the currency....... go for PPP.] *** also the salary for Engineers in NEA is 8000 NRs (approx. , tyo pani recent increment)......... and there is no any work at the office except JHINGA MAARING. WOn't that suck them ?? huhhhhhhhhhh.................. no one wants to go to rural area.. all want to be in ktm only............so for them, are not the Nepali staying abroad successful? *** For me, "a successful person is the one who has the happiest life with good education. Money is not everything." (this is my opinion only, it varies from person to person) |
| GP | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 07:56 PM
Who is successful or not? is a relative term. With whom you are comparing the successfulness. Its like cars in road. When you see the guys in heavy engined vehicle overtaking you in high speed, you feel you are lagging behind, while when you look the guys behind you in back mirror, you feel ahed of them, a kind of successful-ness: you are still infront of them. So, a guy with Masters or engineering degree or Ph.D. is successful compared to his classmates who could not clear the SLC exam. ............ A dish washer in Tibetan restaurant in US who was successful to get DV greencard who was President of a travel agency, still considers successful after coming to US compared to his previous Presidency post in his well going travel agency. Similarly, getting higher degree in education is first ladder to successful to the average people, well some extraordinary did not need education's ladder to get success, but, lets look at the percentage. Ph. D. earned Nepalis working in US are more successful than non-earned, because these peoples are encouraging more people to study in a country like Nepal where not-100% kids go to school. Well, even in Japanese society getting PH.D. is socially successful whether someone is professionally successful or not. I heard from a friend in Canada and another friend in Australia and one more from USA that there are different class of peoples in Canada, USA and Australia. Those with higher degrees like Masters and Ph.D. don't even talk with those who don't have academic degree........... They have different community, different circles, and the dishwasher and less educated Nepalis were said to have different community, and they usually act like Maoists in Nepal, try to vandalize the image of those educated with higher degrees. The less-educated feel "hepeko" for each word a higher educated person speak or the way he walks around and meet people. A kind of jealous. In this sense, Sajha.com is not less. How jealous they are when they see someone with Ph.D. or Masters degree or technical degree, they start blasting, abusing, ............. and finally, try to prove that "hey you are not better than us, you are not successful compared to a Rame, a dishwasher in St. Nepali hill"...... The way you look successful, especially, when your intentions to downgrade someone who has higher academic degree and you don't have you terrorize just the way Maoists terrorize in Nepal. Its a war between HAVES and HAVE NOT. The freaks only see WHY I DON'T HAVE, and when s/he can not have it, they try to Pull others "HAVE" and try to put them in same row "NOT HAVE". This trend will continue, its a natural phenomonon. I was really surprised to hear the highly educated with good salary Nepalis in Canada, USA and Australia don't even talk to the guys who they think are not "as successful as them", thus, rebelliion continues, and we can see these rebels here in this Sajha.com Forum. Its a part of Sajha.com Path. I am sure a guy in Benz or BMW car will every think of competing with Daihatsu's 1300 cc or Maruti Suzuki, even if the guy in Maruti Suzuki tries to compete in Signals to pose not less the Benz or BMW car ....... It hardly lasts 100m after the switch to green signal after red light stop is over. ..................... Education and academic degree will always rule, and higher the academic degree you are always successful compared to those with "not haves", and miracles do exists similarly ............. Lets not compare miracle with daily life of common people. Fire me, if you can. GP |
| ashu | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 08:38 PM
Money, fame, education and status -- though worthwhile pursuits in and of themselves at various stages of one's life -- are all measures of TEMPORARY achievements and therefore TEMPORARY success. For lasting, enjoyable success, I, for one, have long preferred the following recipe: "To laugh often and much; To win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; To earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; To appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; To leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; To know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded." [traceable to a 1905 publication by a Bessie Stanley. Source: http://www.transcendentalists.com/success.htm] oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| ashu | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 09:00 PM
Neural wrote: "none of the skilled Nepalese prefers to stay in Nepal -- why ?? is it due to lack of opportunity? no one will praise his education. One has to change hi/her field for survival." This is NOT quite true. One might say that there are two kinds of professional Nepalis. One: System builders. (5 per cent) Two: System workers. (95 per cent). For system builders, Nepal can be an incredibly fascinating place. There is so much to do here. The legal system is a mess, and that presents an opportunity to help build it in one's own way. The economy is in shambles; and that requires dedication to help build up the economy. The level of public debate is low here, and that requires a group of people to keep the burning issues alive in the public mind, and on and on in education, public policies, vllage development, transport and on and on. System-building is a long-term commitment, fraught with ambiguities, uncertainties, unpredictability and occasional despair. But some people thrive on it. Still, you practically need a support group of like-minded fiends to get through the occasional dark days. By temperament, system builders are resilient, strong, unflappable and emotionally secure. And the rewards, when they come at long last, are enormously satisfying. You can look around, and say: "I made that happen." For system workers, they are best at working efficiently and productively within a system designed by someone else. For instance, the opportunities to help build the legal, economic, political systems in US, Canada, Australia are rare for any Nepali. But the legal, economic and other systems are in place there . . . and once they are in place, it's easier for Nepalis to be a part of that system and do their work, and that's perfectly fine. For these kinds of Nepalis Nepal -- with no system -- can be an agonizingly frustrating place, and that's understandable. Personally, I am more fascinated by system-builders (whether men or women) than system workers, even when I respect latter's work in and out of Nepal. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| ashu | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 09:02 PM
PLease read: "Still, you practically need a support group of like-minded fiends" As: Still, you practically need a support group of like-minded friends :-) oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| by | Posted
on 25-Jun-03 09:33 PM
Indeed, how do you define success? How can you determine one person is more successful than the other? I think the key measure of success is the distance you have covered in life. I started out as one of two children in a Kathmandu middle class family, had pretty good secondary education at a decent school in the valley, managed to win a full-ride at a university in the USA, gained pretty good white collar experience, held leadership positions in a multi-national companies and now have my own firm. Successful? Well... I am doing ok, I think. But wait, take a look at my friend's life. He was one of many children in a dirt poor family from Sindhupalanchowk. When he was 11, he ran away from home because he overheard his parents talking about committing family suicide as the poverty was too hard to bear. He came to Kathmandu, spent some time as street urchin, slaved as kancha in a cruel household, and washed dishes in local bhattis. Later, he managed to get a job as porter and cook in a rafting company. An American client, after being impressed by his work ethic, brought him to the US. Here, he worked hard in various manual jobs for one and half decade, managed to save some dollars. Now he is a proud owner of his own small business. In my mind, he is way way way more successful than me or anyone I know of, Nepali or non-Nepali. I was born with a silver spoon, relatively speaking, and I am now where I am expected. But he started from so far behind, crossed so many hurdles, achieved way more than expected of him in this life. He is my role model of success. |
| Neural | Posted
on 26-Jun-03 12:46 AM
by : "He came to Kathmandu, spent some time as street urchin, slaved as kancha in a cruel household, and washed dishes in local bhattis. ......Now he is a proud owner of his own small business." This man is the most successful person, no doubt. He even din't know what was his goal before coming to ktm,,, and now ... if he compares his past life with the current life, he is the successful person. Hence, COMPARISION = SUCCESSFUL ** compare urself with ur higher secondary or undergrad or masters or phd friends ** compare your happiness with that of your friends ** compare ur life/status/living stdd. etcetera Won't Comparision enlighten you dat whether u r Successful or not? Think where u r now (wat u doing now?), where were u 3 yrs back, what u were doing 5 yrs ago? compare those problems/happiness with the current ones . If u think u r happier now, then u r a successful person (though human nature is optimistic). Please , Have Your Say!!! |
| wizard of oz | Posted
on 26-Jun-03 02:20 AM
We left our beloved land for the sake of better life for ourself and for the family. We would never have settled here in the PARDES if our country has (had) something to offer. For all of us living abroad, leaving Nepal has been the hardest decision of our life. Because we cannot separate ourself from this land. Regarding SUCCESS. I don't know how successful we are. Life is an illusion. We create an issue and discuss over it. But in our heart we are already convinced. We just test other people, try to confirm our views. I just had my PhD and was desperately looking for job. Around that time we were having a mass barbeque party in Sydney.There, one guy was bragging that all educated Daju Bhai should be killed. 'They (educated ones) are always suited booted, talk fancy, ride cars and do not give any BHAU to other countrymen',... They are the ones who ruined Nepal...and so on.' Later I came to know that he happened to be a refugee (a NAKKALI one) from Nepal, earning a lot more money than me. In a way more successful than me. Though an empty pocket, I feel elated and consider myself a success. I wanted to have a big discussion with him but didn't, what use? what we tell to these peaheaded, inferior thinking blistering barnacles... We Nepali do not need Maoists in Nepal, these guys are enough. |
| KaLaNkIstHan | Posted
on 26-Jun-03 04:39 AM
Hyaaaa, No! Not again! Successful? Who else, but me? While friends of mine failed, I've managed to develope such a mammoth beer belly in such a young age. Doesn't that make me successful Nepali? A Nepali with gigantic beer belly and proportionally large heart. eh! *************************************************************** "I'm not crazy I'm just a little unwell I know right now you can't tell But stay a while and may be then you will see a different side of me I'm not crazy, I'm just a little impaired I know right now you don't care But soon enough you're gonna think of me, and how I used to be -- ME" --matchbox20'unwell' |
| Poonte | Posted
on 26-Jun-03 09:47 AM
choubis ghantaa ma chaar ghanta sutchhu, paanch minute hagchhu, dash minute nuhaunchhu, paanch ghanta Sajha ma post garchhu, arko paanch ghanta sajha ma chat garchhu, ani arko paanch ghanta MSN ma chat garchhu, teen ghanta email padchhu/lekhchhu, aek ghanta khaanchhu, ani baanki paintaalis minute chaai nap linchhu... ...kamtaa ko successful chhu ma? ke bhanthanyachha, huh? |
| Dr. No | Posted
on 26-Jun-03 11:20 AM
Sitara, WMD= Woman of Megalomanic Dementia? Just kidding! |
| Poonte | Posted
on 26-Jun-03 11:53 AM
Sitara jtu ta Woman of Mass Distraction po holi! Hoina...Weapon of Mass Distraction nai holi! |
| Hellbound | Posted
on 26-Jun-03 01:19 PM
GP said>> Similarly, getting higher degree in education is first ladder to successful to the average people, well some extraordinary did not need education's ladder to get success, but, lets look at the percentage. Ph. D. earned Nepalis working in US are more successful than non-earned, because these peoples are encouraging more people to study in a country like Nepal where not-100% kids go to school. Well, even in Japanese society getting PH.D. is socially successful whether someone is professionally successful or not. -- my defination, " success as an achievement, that elevates your own life-style and helps others (people, company, organization) moving up significantly." Now, I don't care what degree you have, and how much money you have accumulated in your savings account. If you do not meet both conditions of my defination, I won't call you successful. PhD??? These days, for many people, PhD has become an option to move on life in the US. That means, you finished your Master's degree, then you don't get any jobs. What's the best options now? Go for PhD? However, this doesn't apply to all, who are doing PhD from highly reputed Universities. Yes, I discern a PhD from MIT or Harvard or Stanford to a PhD from any other average universities in the US or Japan or wherever. Typically or obviously, those who hold PhD/ or any other degrees from these highest or higher tier universities are more succesfull in the US or outside of the US, in terms of hoisting his/her own life-style and bringing others to fore. But, I do agree with your statement: education is first ladder to successful to the average people. You need to make yourself extra-ordinary to become successful in life. |
| sadabichar | Posted
on 26-Jun-03 02:29 PM
And do not forget: Education doesn't not mean earning/having a degree from a university!!! Ask Budhha what a success means. |
| nuts | Posted
on 26-Jun-03 02:58 PM
I got his answering machine. |
| bhenda2 | Posted
on 26-Jun-03 03:40 PM
hahhaha.... very funny nuts! |
| SITARA | Posted
on 26-Jun-03 08:16 PM
DR. NO = MDW Mad Doctor Wannabe! hehe! Poonte = WMD Women's Massage Derapist ( I caught a cold so can't pronounce *th*)!! ;) |
| qallu | Posted
on 27-Jun-03 06:54 AM
Cyber stampede? ...and I thought all cattle given to such volatile tendencies have been removed! I think the idea is that the cattle stayed. Don't know about the volatile tendencies though. I think that is just dormant. |
| Poonte | Posted
on 27-Jun-03 07:05 AM
Sitara jyu! Galae mae khich khich? Vicks ki goli lo...khich khich dooor karo! Or, need a massage on your eye, nose and throat area? Shall I call a SUCCESSFUL Nepali masseur for you? I will make sure he will be a perfect Monsieur :P |
| Bal Matlab | Posted
on 27-Jun-03 08:21 AM
Successful, might have different meaning for different kinds of people and people from different field. But for most it might mean excelling in the field of their work. For others money might mean being successful. But for me a successful human being is, he/she whoever are happy with what they have and can stay like that forever. happiness brings everything, but first you gotta learn to be happy. Stay happy... Sajhaites...!! |