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| Montou |
Posted
on 02-Jul-03 03:36 PM
Ke Chha ho sabaijana?
This is what happened in Georgia.
Well I had gone down to Arnoldsville [Nearby Atlanta] ,Georgia for the fellowship/meeting/teaching. And I am just sharing in brief what happened as there is so much but here will just try to be as brief as I can.
Well the trip was worth every bit of it. When I got down there I felt right at home and felt like I was in my other home for a vacation. It was just wonderful.
There were about 50 of us so it was not a big conference and you get to know almost everybody there in those four days. It was more quality than quantity.
We had two services everyday. One in the morning and one in the evening.
Br. McCurry who pastors that small fellowship there taught all the morning services. He just shared his heart about the thing that made a lot of sense to me. I mean not that I never thought about it but hearing from him just confirmed my own thought and views.
He mainly focused on breaking the traditions and doctrines that were made by men in the past and becoming NEW. Unless we breakfree of such traditions we are not freely allowed to grow in spiritual realm. We are a new Spiritual creature and everyday is a new day. Its as much new in natural sense is also in Spiritual sense. We need to be growing everyday SPIRITUALLY.
He emphasized on 2 Corinthians 5:17 which is " Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation the old has gone and the new has come!" and it made a lot of sense. It made sense to me more cause I am experiencing that newness in me. I am not anymore that old Montou but a totally a new creation in Christ.
Well I can tell you more about the time there and the other goodstuff but the main thing that happened while I was down there was that Father [God the Father, not a catholic priest] revealed to me the Unity in the Kingdom of God.Maybe that was the only reason Father had me go down there.
Father just revealed me that the plan to bring about Unity that I thought was just WRONG. Thats the Unity I was wanting to see but it was not SPIRITUAL....
All this year , I was wanting to see the Unity among all Christians.....I mean whoever considers himself/herself as a Christian, I wanted to see them all come together....I was frustrated , I mean extremely frustrated not seeing that happen....I was literally trying to bring churches together by having different pastors talk among them.....Baptist, Lutherans, Pentecostals all come together.....There was nothing wrong in theory but it was NOT SPIRITUAL.....It was what Montou wanted from his heart and was a fleshly desire.......I was taking the burden of the whole world on me trying to bring all these Christians together....that was UNITY for me.....I wanted absolute Unity
Its hard to explain how frustrated I was this past year not seeing what I wanted to see. The burden on me was so heavy brother its so hard to explain.
But then Father revealed it to me when I was down there..."Montou I know what you want, but thats not how its like in the Kingdom of God. This is because not all of them know Me.The ones who know me will know you too. And you will come together. You dont have to take this whole burden on you. You just do as I tell you. Unity is happening among my children all over. Its not you who will bring the Unity. Its upon me....So dont worry and quit doing what you are doing. Just do as I tell you. I will guide you. Unity is happening regardless. "
So this is the new revelation I got from the Father on Unity. Father has freed me from this extreme burden that I took on me for a year. Like we know TRUTH always makes you FREE.
Its not that I will stop praying for Unity now. I will still continue to pray for Unity and Father to draw His children together but I will not stress myself out anymore. Though I will still be concerned , I will not be only focusing on that anymore. I have come to know Unity is not upon me but on Father.
So now all I have to do is what the Father tells me to do. He is the ARRANGER. If we only know how to flow in His Spirit , everything falls into place. God is the Spirit and we need to walk in the Spirit to understand Him.
Not only my this particular trip was arranged by the Father but everything is arranged. Father is the ARRANGER. We just need to go in the flow of His Spirit. And most of us miss that Flow.
So before I thought it was Father's will for me to work for unity and now I realized it is not. So I am now open to anything Father has for me. There is nothing I would not do. I am now just waiting on Him for further instructions.
But no matter what I do, glory will be to the Father. Without His spirit in me I will not be able to do anything. Its the Father who is doing everything and I am just obeying Him and letting Him use me to the fullest. And I know He has a particular purpose in me and it will be fulfilled.
I dont know what for sure but whatever it might be I know it will be awesome and exciting to do my Father's will. Most probably Father will use me better in Nepal, not that have objection to anywhere and whatever that maybe. But having spent good number of years there, I will be more effective there. People there are still in darkness. People there still worship idols. People there have not known true God yet. They NEED Jesus more than anybody.
But when Father will send me back, I dont know. He is still preparing me and equipping me and more than anything having meet other fellow brothers and sisters who are in the same flow. There is nothing better than a fellowship with the Father's children.
So this Georgia trip was a life changing and an awesome Spirtually awakening experience for me. Like I said Father is an ARRANGER and He knows what He is doing. He has it all arranged.
I am just going with a flow.
I think I better stop here as I can still go on and on. But would love to share if you are interested.
dherai dherai maya ra samjhana!!!
By His Grace,
Montou
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| Sadabichar |
Posted
on 02-Jul-03 06:56 PM
Hi Mantou:
Timi ta Nepali ko Naam ma Kalanka !!!
Amrika ko priests, pastors harami hunchhan bhanne Hazur lai Avagat nei hola. Tasartha, Tapaile aphno Pwal haru ramrari secure garnu hola.
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| Gokul |
Posted
on 02-Jul-03 07:06 PM
Montou,
Your feelings on unity interested me although I soon realized that the unity you were talking is not the ultimate unity of existence but the unity in the very specific and narrow domain of Christianity. When you experienced such limited unity (unity with Christ only), you seemed so exalted. I ask you one thing now: when you experience unity not only with Christ but all that exists and you see no difference between sage or sinner, happiness or sorrow, good or bad, don't you think that experience must be thousandfold profound than what you just experienced? Many sages have experienced such unity. The experiential portion is known as "Nirvikalpa Samadhi" and the textual and philosophical part is called "Advaita Vedanta". The world existed before Christ and is definitely existing after him. He is just one of the truth-seekers. There were many and there will be many.
Montou-when you talk about Unity, then you must accept absolute unity. Partial unity is no unity. The undivided unity sees no difference between Christ and Judas, Father and Mother, hell and heaven, good and bad. The duality exists because of ignorance only. If you cannot think beyond Christianity, then definitely your experience of unity is limited. However, I am not here to dictate you what you should experience. Since you posted in the public forum, I am merely expressing my views only.
Montou -I have strong objection to what you wrote below.
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Just because you have recently become a Christian does not mean that you have become Christ and now you can see where there is darkness and where there is light. To say that you are in light and others are in darkness is the height of arrogance and hypocrisy. What do you know about idol worship? What actually is an idol? Do Christians not pray before a piece of plus-shaped wood called CROSS? Do you not consider the book of Bible (which is in fact nothing but a paper-made object) sacred? Can you spit on Christ's picture? You - who talks so much about truth does not even know that idols are just symbols - symbols of something held sacred and pious. I will write more about it later on.
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| saday |
Posted
on 02-Jul-03 07:55 PM
Hey Montou, I'm glad that you're happy in life with the love and joy you've found from the love in Jesus christ. I used to be a christain too. I used to go to churches and stuff and i had accepted jesus as my savior. however, there were always questions deep inside me that were bothering me all the time and more i came to know about the reality more i came close to the conclusion that christainity in the America is a luxuary.Made in the USA for Americans thing. Please forgive me becuase I am writing how i feel and please don't take it like an insult or anything. I totally respect your religion, your freedom and the faith being a christain.
I am in a college and there are lots of christain people who want to invite and give ride to a foreign students like me to thier churches or bible studies. I respect that. In thier views it is an act to save a life. But in my view it is kind of irretating and blindly pushing to be something without caring for the other person view and backround. I've seen a bunch of rich Frat boys and sorority chicks, whose father taking care of everything for them, paying tution 4 times less then me and still getting financial support from thier rich govt, going to worship programs and preach about truth and christanity. And i'm there , poor Nepali kid, broke, money problem for tution next semester, in depression pills , break down last night, and working on my butt. I park my bike out side the church , i'm still tired from my work yesterday and have to go work after the church and there come these rich christain kids on thier cars and preach me about being christain and live a life like them. I can't offord to be a christain. I need to be cunning to live in this country.I gotta be smart. nothing is given to me like them. i've to work 4 times more to pay my tution 4 times higher than them. I often ask them these question and they usually try to send me to thier prechers cuz in reality they don't know what they're after.
1) Christainity doesn't believe in recarnation. God loves us all. So, why some kids are born in Beverly hill . CA and some kids are born in a remote village of Nepal or India where they don't get good food, good shelter and good care? why such discrimination from god?
2) Would these rich kids still be a christain if they were born in Nepal, China or North korea. If being a christain is just because a chance of you being born in a christain family, why shouldn't i be what i am and be a hindu?
3) A poor kid born in a remote village of Nepal will still go to hell according to the christainity if she didn't know about the true god and confessed her sins. I don't believe in that. If that is true than that is not fair. First of all, a child born in a poor nation is already suffer because of poverty and what not and top of that she has to go to hell cuz the rich prechers , gettin' money from Bush weren't there to preach them.
4) They say christainity welcomes everyone like brothers and sisters and there is no inequality. Try to date a daughter of a white christain person that comes to your chruch. He wouldn't be happy if you were a Darkey Nepali like me. They say , we should seek for the citizenship in the heaven and we all as christains are the citizens of heaven. They say, we shouldn't care about money or citizenship of this life. yeah right! , so why don't they help a foreign kid like me by letting thier daughter go out and get married with me. You're equal only when they call you for mercy dinners and suppers in thanks givings, eshter, or christmas. You're equal when to sit on thier table and tell them the stories about poor Nepal. they love to hear how you were shocked by the good life in America. If you say, we have these things in Nepal too, we have table , tv in my house too.. haha they won't believe. They would never want you to date or get married with thier daughters. If they are being what they are why don't we be what we are too?
5) top of everything i've found christainity to be hypocrite. I don't see why i should be a christain jus cuz a white man , living in a rich country , getting benefits from his rich govt, tell me that i'll go to hell if i didn' believe in what he and his books says.
In my college christain people can openly do any kind of relegious programs and tell anyone that he/she's going to hell. ha ha.. but if a darkey has a beard , ten people will give his werid looks if he walks from the cafeteria to the book store. One time , my Nepali friend was doing a research on the library computer at my college for his english class. Some one called the cops on him cuz he accidently opened a news page with some missles and other pics. ha ha .. he took this matter to the dean and he and the police apologized.However, is this gonna stop the prejudice against the darkeys ? my answer is no.. I always thought that christainity would be the solution for the caste system of nepal but this incident made me think opposite.There are problems in this society too, what makes them better than us just cuz they're christains and they are rich.
6) I'm sick of going to the churches and being asked where am i from? what am i studying and when will i go back? no one there wants me to stay here.. wait , let me correct myself , there was one lady who wanted me to stay here.. i don't want to lie.. but yeah! must of them didn't like the idea of foreigners staying here, and still they were preaching and fellowshipping.
My friend, please don't take me otherwise. I'm just expressing my honest views. Please feel free to correct me if i were wrong.
love,
Goodketa
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| jhilke kyailan |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 03:28 AM
Heard this once...."If we are all children of God, what is so special about Jesus"
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| jhilke kyailan |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 03:31 AM
Please don't take the above comment in a derrogatory manner. was not meant to be....just a thought that popped into my head when I read the postings...If you found the truth , good for you. One of us is free then, eh? Guess who??????
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| jhilke kyailan |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 03:31 AM
Read a Novel recently...."Decipher"
check it out.
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| KALANKISTHAN |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 06:00 AM
Montou jagyo jagyo!
Montou is finally free. Bro, seems like it's about time you got married!! ehh.. Don't ask me why, I just feel that way. Friendly advice.
(by the way, I am memorexx) ;)
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| mitra 2 |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 07:28 AM
I'm afraid that you have found the ultimate truth or freedom. You can only free yourself but your father or whoever. It seems you are/were frustrated for your own reasons and the so-called father consoled you. That's just a temporary solution. That's why I'm saying you have not found the ultimate truth or freedom.
Osho says, "When the bird is in the egg, it cannot fly. When we are "American", or "German", or "Indian", or "Nepali", or "Hindu", or "Muslim", or "Christian", we are in an eggshell. We cannot fly, cannot open our wings, and cannot use our tremendous freedom that existence makes available. There are layers upon layers of conditioning, which is a crust around you. When you can come out of your conditioning, you are free, you are simply a human being. And that is a real freedom! Then you don't carry a crust around you. The capsule has broken."
So, the ultimate solution is meditation. Meditation is state of no-mind. Don't think about the past and the future because you can do nothing about it. Just be at the present and enjoy it, which is the only truth available to us. Be watchful or be conscious.
Osho claims that there are less crazy, less evil people in the east compared to the west because of meditation. Don't get confused that yoga, meditation is related to Hinduism; Hindu happened to be the one who discovered it. That's all.
The verse you referred about dying and re-borning is same thing to which yoga says to be at the present. Past is dead and future has not born yet. So, my suggestion to you is that if you are really seeking the truth, don't stop at Christianity. Keep seeing and one day you become a Buddha - the one who knows the truth.
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| Qallu |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 07:55 AM
Montou! A revelation from God! Pretty high claims! But if it's real for you, then thats all that counts. You say God said, "The ones who know me will know you too. And you will come together. You dont have to take this whole burden on you. You just do as I tell you. Unity is happening among my children all over. Its not you who will bring the Unity. Its upon me...."
The first part, to my biased mind, seems tainted by human vanity. Not only faith in god, but faith enought to beleive Montou!? Other than that, if you really beleive that God spoke with you, thats great! If he revealed to you that it is not up to YOU to change the world, surely that makes you happy and lightens your burden.
I have always wondered about those who profess that God talked to them. Because unfortunately God has never talked to me like that. Does God talk to humans in such direct ways? Or when you say "God told me" you mean that something because clear to you in your mind and that could have only happened because of divine revelation?
Regardless, just because God has never spoken to me directly like that though does not mean God might not speak to you directly. So, good for you, if you think God spoke to you. Just make sure you are not making it all up to make yourself feel good and to abdicate from what you think needs to be done.
Sadabichar ko dimag bhari gobar cha jasto cha! What does "Timi ta Nepali ko Naam ma Kalanka" mean? Christian bhayeko le? Sab Nepali hindu huna parcha bhanne kaha lekhya cha huh? You can cling all you want to the notion of Nepal being a Hindu Kingdom, but the reality is different. So get over it, you filthy "Nepali ko nam ma Kalanka"!
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 08:06 AM
Gokul jyu ko response sab bhandaa ghat laagyo! Gentle, non-personal and positive criticism--NOT that Montou himself is not free to practice whatever he pleases!
Despite some of the above negative remarks about Montou converting to Christianity, Montou please understand that there are still other non-Christians in Sajha who understand you and accept you as you are. :)
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| Nirvana |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 09:31 AM
Qallu said-"Sadabichar ko dimag bhari gobar cha jasto cha! What does "Timi ta Nepali ko
Naam ma Kalanka" mean? Christian bhayeko le? Sab Nepali hindu huna parcha bhanne kaha lekhya cha huh? You can cling all you want to the notion of Nepal being a Hindu Kingdom, but the reality is different. So get over it, you filthy "Nepali ko nam ma Kalanka"!
Dear Qallu,
Coming up with your own interpretation, you said Sadabichar ko dimag bhari gobar cha jasto cha because of Sadabichar's call for "Timi ta Nepali ko Naam ma Kalanka" to Montau. Going by your posting my friend looks like your dimag bhari FILTHY gobar cha jasto cha as well because you are calling him back filthy "Nepali ko nam ma Kalanka" as well.
I am not supporting or agree with Sadabichar but I was just curious with your last sentence. Correct me if I am wrong or clarify what are you trying say....
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| Qallu |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 11:36 AM
Nirvana:
There is nothing to correct or clarify. You understood well enough to model back to me what I was doing to Sadabichar for what he said to Montou.
I just did not appreciate what Sadabichar saying Montou was a "kalank." And I took it upon myself to give him a taste of his own medicine... which in turn you so nicely adminstered back to me! Yum! Filthy Gobar! Do you think that will mean I will get Laxmi's blessing now? I hope so.
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| Nirvana |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 02:53 PM
Qallu,
I don't know about Laxmi's blessing which you may have to ask our Hindu fellow. But, just like you mentioned you didn't appreciate what Sadabichar saying to Montou, I didn't like what you said to Sadabichar. On your first response, It made sense all along till your last paragraph and then BOOM.... you throw dirt to Sadabichar same way which I believe non of us appreciate.
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| Sadabichar |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 03:47 PM
Hey Qallu,
What makes you think that I am a hindu, and what makes you think that I subscribe to the notion that Nepal means Hindus?
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| bijaya.m |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 05:20 PM
test.....
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| Qallu |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 09:28 PM
Speak for yourself Nirvana and stop referring to some vauge collective in "our" and "we." You made your point and I mine. There is nothing more to say.
Sadabichar I didn't say you were a hindu. I care less about what your religion is. As for why I think you think Nepalis equal hindu, well, I guess it was the "Nepali ko nam ma Kalank" gali that you hurled at Montou that made me think that. Since you did not explain yourself, I thought maybe it was his Christianity that brought out the bigot in you. If I was wrong, correct me. Plus that crap about the preists and holes, I thought spoke pretty strongly about your views.
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| le chef du nuit |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 11:11 PM
religion is superfluous because god is enough
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| Sadabichar |
Posted
on 04-Jul-03 07:37 AM
One thing:
"GOD" is the most confusing word humans have developed. That's what finally Osho Rajanish concluded at his deathbed. Don't get impressed with Osho... indeed he had different way of putting his arguments.. but the core of his arguments is nothing but that of Budhha.
So, here comes. Montou started the thread... and people spend so much of their valuable time writing in this thread.. but this Montou guy never re-appeared in this thread. So, what hit him so bad that made him shy to appear here. His HOLES. His all holes are vulnerable to the Priests of AMRIKA. May be it's time for him to head towards the courts!!
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| lonely |
Posted
on 04-Jul-03 07:51 AM
i was waiting for the weekend to come, so that i could read this.
Now mind is free for a whie that I don't have to worry about reading this article anymore.
Montou, you finally got the freedom, great for you..
And as some people have talked about meditation and being free, I think its the way you think and analyze it makes you free haina ra??
To me "man is born free but everywhee in chains" , I will be free, when I will be on the chita in Aryaghar (hopefully) ready to be cremeted....thats what I really think I will be free..absolutely free, free from everything....
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| jules |
Posted
on 04-Jul-03 07:54 PM
haha!!!
Montou good for you.
I don't believe in god so therefore; this is all bull-shit!!!
;)
Jules
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