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| mussolini |
Posted
on 02-Jul-03 04:56 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3037074.stm
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| Qallu |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 07:13 AM
I hope the women get compensation from the British Government and I hope that the Gurkha soldiers and other perpertrators are found out and made accountable. How absolutely shameful that Nepali men went to Africa and did this to the locals! Maybe this will finally convince the Brits to stop recruiting Nepali mercenaries.
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 08:13 AM
Mula gorkhe harule barbaadai gare...
Tyo dhaar wala khukuri ko saath saathai arko non-dhaar walaa khukuri laai ni daab haaldina paryo jasto chha :(
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 08:42 AM
Poodai,
What are you guys talking about? I don't see any text in the above posting, could you please paste it here?
So what have the Gorkhes been up to this time? No good, I suppose. Moro Gorkhele khub sanga gorkehe lauri ghumaecha kya ho? Uta ghar ma lahureni kastari tirkhayara basi ra hola!
Dhat teri ka!
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 08:49 AM
Baschhe khub tirkhaayera! Poilo gai sakin holi tyo palla ghare raainla ko mailo chhoro sanga! eheheh
BTW...THE ALLEGED RAPIST GURKHA SOLDIERS HAVN'T BEEN PROVEN GUILTY YET!
Tyo link maa jauna hau...story tyahin chha ta!
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| knt |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 09:21 AM
The link is
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3037074.stm
And I doubt the accusation made by Kenyan women. Now, what is the motive here? To me, it's the attraction of money they'll receive as damage for the "wrongs" done to them. So, they have DOCUMENTARY evidence to prove their cases. I don't know if that would be enough to back up their claim or not. If there are so many mixed children, it shouldn't be hard to prove that they were indeed raped by the British soldiers, as DNA fingerprinting techniques can be utilized effectively to ascertain without a shadow of a doubt that the children are indeed mixed. Let's not put much weight into this he-said she-said deal. Okay, they said they have mixed children. Now let's wait for the proof.
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 09:42 AM
Gorkhey rape African women: BBC report!
'Raped' Kenyans win legal aid
Margaret says she was raped by three Ghurkhas
Hundreds of Kenyan tribeswomen who say they were raped by UK soldiers have been granted British legal aid to sue the Ministry of Defence.
They allege they were raped as a matter of routine by British troops on exercise in Kenya between 1983 and last year.
The claimants, most of them from the Masai ethnic group, allege that many soldiers hunted in packs and many victims were gang raped.
Despite the stigma of admitting being a rape victim in rural Kenya, 650 women, many from the eastern town of Isiolo, have now joined the action.
One of them, called Margaret, claims she was raped by three Ghurkhas.
Mixed race children
Returning to the location of the alleged rape, she told the BBC: "It pains me to come back here.
"It's like digging up a grave. It happened four years ago. Three of them attacked me."
The British Army has a training base in the region, near Mount Kenya.
About 100 women have documentary evidence such as police or clinic reports.
The stigma attached to an admission of rape is very high
And they have been asked to produce letters from their local chiefs confirming their whereabouts at the time of the alleged rapes.
Forty have mixed-race children they say were born as a result of the rapes.
The MoD thus failed to exercise proper control, their lawyer has said.
Lawyer Martin Day claimed that despite repeated complaints by Kenyan officials and tribal leaders, British officers had turned a blind eye.
He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme contemporaneous documentary evidence showed the women had been complaining of the rapes over a 30-year period.
"On many occasions this information was passed on to the British officers, and yet absolutely nothing seems to have been done," he said.
He admitted that some of the 650 women involved in the claim may be "jumping on the bandwagon" in the hope of gaining compensation, but said the stigma attached to an admission of rape was very high.
"One women was thrown out of her house after telling her husband that she had been raped," he told the programme.
The granting of legal aid means that legal action will now proceed.
The MoD said it could not comment because the rapes were also under criminal investigation by the Royal Military Police.
This is not the first time the MoD has been taken to court by Mr Day.
Last year his firm won a £4.5m (7.5m) settlement for Masai people killed and injured by mines left on their land by the British Army
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| Qallu |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 11:54 AM
"Moro Gorkhele khub sanga gorkehe lauri ghumaecha kya ho? Uta ghar ma lahureni kastari tirkhayara basi ra hola!"
Were you trying to be funny? If you were, it's is not funny. It is demeaning and belittling to the women who were raped as well as the laurenis. Rape is not about sex. Rape is an experience of violation, degradation, and humiliation.
Yes, it is just "alleged" at this point, but until their claims are proven wrong, flippant remarks are callus and in bad taste.
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 12:26 PM
Qallu bro cool down!
It is ok, the sky is not going to fall on our heads because I made a joke, even if it is flippant, about a subject that is still subjudis. Man, give your self a break..after all this is July 3rd, we have a long weekend ahead of us to celebrate the Independence day!
Does any light-hearted comment have to be backed up by a court verdict? To me that seems like the Soup-Nazi type of mentality I once saw in the Seinfeld serial.
But this is my point of view. If I have hurt your feeling in any way with my comments, I ask for your forgiveness, and the same goes for those Masai ladies in Kenya and the Gorkhenis back in Nepal. No harm intended.
A little more irreverence, and a little less righteousness would make this world a better place.
Injest!
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| Qallu |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 12:59 PM
I give myself plenty of breaks, but giving you a break I think is especially doubtful now that you've liken me to a Soup-Nazi! (BTW Seinfelf sucks and I am glad it's over!)
As for "no harm intended"... intention is a moot point. Most times it is the unintended, the thoughless, careless gestures that do the most harm!
So, wish you a nice long weekend to celebrate even more irrelevance to go with that irreverance. If you're lucky you'll get to "ingest" some dark bitter brew and won't choke on it.
In utter serious righteousness!
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| whine and chij |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 12:59 PM
shove-it tictac sistar (in jest, it's ok),
you funny like burlesque-oni. if you can't take a little heat, don't build zie oven...aight, not-see-ji?!
tee hee hee! no offense intended :D have a happy 4th!
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 01:16 PM
W&C,
Glad you are back to Sajha, especially since you will be substituting for Rastaman with your very, very funny mumbo jumbo English. I like it, keep it up!
Qallu,
Got your points: henceforth I will monitor myself for any unintended words or gestures that might give offence to others.
As for the dark bitter brew, no thanks...As in humor, I prefer something light and clear!
Happy fouth of July, and let Old Glory fly high!
(I hope this does not give unintended harm to some, my apologies included if it does)
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| whine and chij |
Posted
on 03-Jul-03 01:29 PM
W&C,
Glad you are back to Sajha, especially since you will be substituting for Rastaman with your very, very funny mumbo jumbo English. I like it, keep it up!
>what talking doing youing? if you can't get it up, keep it down. least the kenyans can't point the cannon at you, jyu! (kidding, kiddo)
Qallu,
Got your points: henceforth I will monitor myself for any unintended words or gestures that might give offence to others. As for the dark bitter brew, no thanks...As in humor, I prefer something light and clear!
>You must be the monitor of your own domain (there's your schwinefeldt ejoking)
Happy fouth of July, and let Old Glory fly high!
(I hope this does not give unintended harm to some, my apologies included if it does)
>and your flag was still there...
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| chituwa |
Posted
on 04-Jul-03 09:19 AM
Oye Quallu:
What are you trying to prove by saying " Maybe this will finally convince the Brits to stop recruiting Nepali mercenaries." huh? You're telling me that by the action of 3 Gurkheys everybody should face the penalty?
In most cases it is 'Innocent until proven guilty' but your mindset is 'Guilty until proven innocent' man what's wrong with you? Are you one of them pandits who dont like to see matawali men earn papers in a righteous way? You seem like a hater to me.
PS: if you feel that my remarks are offensive, yours was twice as offensive to me.
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| krishman |
Posted
on 04-Jul-03 06:19 PM
well said Chituwa .
some posters here seem too jealous about british gurkhas as they earn loads of money .Becuase of this news they are not attacking Gurkhas but thier wives too . This is disgusting .there may be some rotten apples .but the idea of British stop recruiting gurkhas is just too nonsensical .Who will suffer anyway ?...its the Nepalese economy .
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| Qallu |
Posted
on 04-Jul-03 08:55 PM
Jealous? Of the people who have to risk being killed and to kill to make a living? Maybe you, not me. The British Gorkha soldiers speak of Nepal's inability to take care of its young men, especially its matwali brethren.
I am not saying that because of the action of a few everybody else should suffer. But the reality is that its likely that the actions of a few will have reprecusssions for the many. Nepali soldiers in th British Army are becoming more and more of a liability for the Brits. The whole pension thing and now this.
Instead of blaming me for even suggesting that that the Brits might eventually stop recruiting Nepali men as soldiers, you might blame the guys who were obviously not thinking about their fellow Nepalis and also, obviously not about the Kenyan women.
(And yes, it is usally innocent until proven guilty... but I am not an officer of any court and my judgement is not going to land them in jail. It is just personal observation and opinion. If you don't like it, too bad. I don't give a hoot!)
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| chituwa |
Posted
on 05-Jul-03 02:21 AM
Quallu ta lai arish lageko jasto cha choro. You definitely got some hate on your blood so why don't you go to your doctor and get that HateOrade out your system? There is no denying that Gurkhas serving the British earn more papers than you ever will now that CIAA is in town. You and your grandfathers must hate the CIAA too huh? Risk lives? What you talking about? If you're meant to die, you die sonny.. if you're meant to live long, you could fall of 10 story building and still survive. You're only bringing up that "risk" factor here because you are a coward. I would rather risk my life in a battlefield like a MAN than scrub toilets.. or wash dishes in some Indian restaurant. Know I mean?
It is thanks to the Gurkhas and other foreign job seekers (such as yourself) that aid Nepal's economy tremendeously. Gurkhas being the ones who bring in the most money, do some research. And don't ever speak ill of the Matawalis man, we're not the reason why Nepal is at the state it is right now.. but ofcourse I do not have to explain to you who is responsible for Nepal's state.
About the pensions and equality and all that.. say you play for the Major League Baseball here in America but you were originally from.. lets say Dominican Republic.. and if the league decided to pay you according to the living standard of D.R.. would you accept it? I doubt it. That is what the Gurkhas are fighting for.. equal pension. And when British decided to recruit the Gurkhas, they signed on that the Gurkhas would not be discriminated in any way. And again.. GO DO SOME RESEARCH little geek man. Majority of the British citizens are FOR the recruitment of the Gurkhas.. in fact.. they want to increase the number of Gurks in the British Army.
Since you are pro- banning recruitment of the Gurkhas (mostly because you are a racist and jealous).. what if the Americans.. or for that matter if ANY developed Nations banned ANY Nepali immigrants.. would you support that? Since you have already said that Nepali immigrants reflect "Nepal's inability to take care of its young men"??
Me personally.. I do not believe for a second that the Gurkhas raped those African women.. there are no proof (i.e. pictures) of the so called "mixed race" babies. And like the article said.. those women who have claimed to be raped have received some amount of money and other miscellaneous things from the British government. When you are THAT poor.. I guess you would sell your soul to the devil to gain something. Not that I am saying that ALL the women are lying.. but LOT of them may have lied just to get some claim from the Brit Gov't. My question is.. why is the article zero-ing on the Gurkhas? I thought the British soldiers (whites) had raped the african women too. Is there double standards when it comes to Gurkhas? and again.. WHERE IS THE EQUALITY? This is probably a ploy or propaganda by the Brit Gov't looking for an excuse to put a dent on Gurkhas' reputation.. thus, an excuse to stop recruiting the Gurkhas. 200 years of loyalty.. and this is how SOME Brits pay us back with. It's a shame.
Lastly, Quallu choro.. don't trip. Jealousy can only lead to downfall. Most of the excuses you used hold no weight and can be used against YOU too. So shut up, fix your glasses and hit the books little geeky racist man
Namaste
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| le chef du nuit |
Posted
on 05-Jul-03 03:31 AM
chituwa, you are an idiot
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| hohalla |
Posted
on 05-Jul-03 06:26 AM
le chef!
u r a maha idiot to accuse someone just like that! satya tito hunchha, so is medicine! whether u like it or not, whatever chituwa wrote is true!!!!!!!! our country nepal's economy relies on foreign remittance, that too mostly upon Gurkhas! so much publicised tourism brings in only about 15%, businessmen!-they take it out of the country!!! those living in nepal-government officials, politicians-they take into their accounts!!! natra how can they live up with ahileko mahangi and raise idiots like u??????????
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| Qallu |
Posted
on 05-Jul-03 08:47 AM
Chituwa loved reading you post. You are hilarious. Bichara, I am sorry those recruiters from the Queen's army would not turn a blind eye to your rickety legs. Whatever it is, man, you are one funny guy!
Romantacize the Nepali Bahadur all you want. The reality is that as a gorkha soldier you risk killing and being killed. If recognizing that makes me a coward... so be it. I am not one to glorify killing.
Necessity, ma fren! Life is all about necessity and not about free choices! You think that our matwali brothers would choose to become cannon fodder if they had another comprable economic choice that would give them the same $$ and less risk of being killed or killing? I thunk NOT!
As for scrubbing toilets, I scrub my toilet everyday to keep it sparkling clean and disease free! I hate stinky charpis! As fo washing dishes at an Indian resturant, thank god for all those who do that, I for one don't want no day-old spinach in my fresh pao bhaji! :D
"And don't ever speak ill of the Matawalis man, we're not the reason why Nepal is at the state it is right now..." what's that saying now... asar ma akha bhuteko goru....
"Majority of the British citizens are FOR the recruitment of the Gurkhas.. in fact.. they want to increase the number of Gurks in the British Army"....really, thats one I have not heard. Maybe that keeps the brits feeling like they are still an imperial power. Plus, I guess they would have the Nepalis boys die than their sons and brothers.
Loyalty!? Ha! Man. Thats sad!
You are so pathetic! I guess you are assuming that I am a "pundit".... Should I say take our your khukuri and start sharpening that blade? I think you better reassess who the racist is! Chump!
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| Par |
Posted
on 05-Jul-03 01:55 PM
IM FIRST EVER TO THIS KURAKANI AND IMPRESSED WITH THE NEPALESE CONCERN
My question is- Did these 3 Gurkhas raped hundreds of kenyans?
If not, then why the BBC quotes only a woman who is raped by 3 Gurkhas (NEPALIS) ?
The answer is:- Just to foil the British from a bitter dispute around the world !
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| chituwa |
Posted
on 05-Jul-03 02:25 PM
La Chef Du nuit.. shut up you ugly faggot How am I an idiot? Go get a haircut and step into the 21st century. Just by having a French ID don't make you French homeboy.
Quallu.. your whole argument against mine is that Gurkhas' work involves "risk" .. and what else?? I'm pretty sure you watched "Saving Private Ryan" wishing you were in the movie.. so just because Gurkhas are making their money don't hate choro. I'll bring up this argument again.. if you feel that Gurkha recruitment by the British show Nepal's inability to offer jobs for Nepali men.. why are you in the US?? Because you being in the States show the same thing. Anyway go through what I wrote up in my last post thoroughly and come back at me. Don't just be calling me pathetic just because you dont know what you talking about. Fact still remains that you envy Gurkhas and you come up here giving lame ass excuses about why their job is "risky" and why the British should stop recruiting our brothers for good. Look around you.. the firefighters, the policemen.. their jobs aren't risky?
Ah f*ck it.. I could explain to you all day on why you are a racist envious dick riding fool.. and you will still come back with some cheesy ass arguments on how Gurkhas and matawalis are dumb people who "risk" their lives on their job. No point arguing with you. Now lets move on..
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| nepali_angel |
Posted
on 05-Jul-03 04:07 PM
While it may be true that Gurkhas bring in considerable amount of money as pension to Nepal, it is pretty much a given that serving as canon fodder for the British isn't really the way to go in order to fix Nepal's economy. As of now, Nepal's economy isn't really great, because of which influx of pensions does help Nepal's economy tremendously. This route, i.e. pension from the British, is actually the third biggest way that Nepal receives money from outside. So we can't really say that Nepal's economy hasn't been assisted in any shape or form by this influx. It has, quite a great deal.
Having said that, however, instead of training doctors, engineers, bio-technicicians, entrepreneurs, Nepal in the long-run shouldn't be depending too heavily on people who are basically speaking servants of the Brits or Indians. Yeah yeah, you might say something to the effect of, "but at least they're doing something for the economy", but listen, the point is Gurkhas do more harm than good to Nepal in a sense that they shouldn't really be our paragon. Au contraire, Gurkhas are mere chowkidars, durbans, canon fodder for the british, or durbans. These are the people that Nepalis love to idolize??? Sorry, they're not who I would be looking up to.
Gurkhas are trained killers, as a result of which they haven't had much intimate contacts with women which would result in them looking for a way to vent their sexual energy. So, when they went to Kenya, perhaps they thought that uneducated Masai women wouldn't know rape from sex, or perhaps that they would get away with their indecency? Now if the article claims that there are mixed children out there, there is no reason in my mind why I should doubt the protestation. Perhaps they haven't been tried in court yet, or perhaps they were exonerated, but even then, I don't think I would put much faith in the outcome of the hearing because I know for a fact that there are ample cases where Americans/British soldiers have been absolved, even when they were guilty, or weren't sentenced to the fullest allowed by the law. These women are mostly illiterate, hence gullible, and I can easily infer that they are not lying.
These Gurkha/British soldiers need to rot in jail till they figure out what the consequences of their actions can lead to.
Ciao.
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| krishman |
Posted
on 05-Jul-03 10:43 PM
N/A,
All those who commit such horrible crimes like ,raping a woman should rot in jail.
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[the point is Gurkhas do more harm than good to Nepal in a sense that they shouldn't really be our paragon. Au contraire, Gurkhas are mere chowkidars, durbans, canon fodder for the british, or durbans. These are the people that Nepalis love to idolize??? Sorry, they're not who I would be looking up to. ]
Do you really think that people would go to become a chowkidars ,durbans,canon fodders if they had the luxury of becoming doctors,engineers,bio-technicians like you said ?
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Gurkhas may not be an Ideal Idol for you .
So choose your own choice,
and lower down your ignorant voice.
Maybe U R right that Gurkha Boys ,
Are nothing but mere British Toys .
What your whole family earn ,British Gurkhas earn Twice ,
Doesnt matter as long as they can afford Rolls Royce .
----------------------- Proud of Gurkhas
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| Bob Marley |
Posted
on 06-Jul-03 01:02 AM
If you do not have a history of Gorkha army family or NOT know one or NEVER seen one on Nepal, U paakhey...why don't U shut U scarey mouth. If you have a problem, call me at 417-837-2257. We can have a nice talk. Kaather...good for talking and posting crap on online. Dare to say that in front.
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| le chef du nuit |
Posted
on 06-Jul-03 01:16 AM
umm,
a) i am shaved, i dont see how i could get a haircut
b) never said i was french
c) you ARE an idiot
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| by |
Posted
on 06-Jul-03 06:29 AM
Objectively speaking, I found some of Chituwa's points valid, particularly, the example of MLB.
Having said that, it is natural for any proud nationalist to feel the tinge of embarrassment to hear of one's fellow countrymen going abroad to serve in other nations. But, way I see it, this sentiment is illogical, especially so in today's global economy. I think soldiering for Princess Mary's Own is no different than programming for IBM in America or working in some construction site in Qatar. Yes, one may say that joining an army entails more risk of life and limb, but looking at past several decades of Britist Gurkha's mortality statistics, it is clearly much safer an employment. Also, it is not true that Gurkhas are always put on the frontline before British soldiers during crisis situations. Gurkha platoon was sent only towards the end of Falkland war. Gurkhas were never posted in Northern Ireland's hotspots. Iraq deployment also is made in similar manner. So, banning Gurkha recruitment does not make sense, not only because that would cut off the good steady source of foreign currency income for the country (significant percentage of British Gurkha's salary goes directly to national coffers), but also because that would curtail one's personal freedom.
While most criticisms have come from the tagadhari (non-matwali) quarters of society, it would not behoove us, matwalis, to label them as racists and jealousy stricken. We should endeavor to educate and/or pose our arguments in constructive manner.
My two cents, you are welcome to disagree.
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