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| Diesel | Posted
on 07-Jul-03 07:10 PM
first of all, for all of you bozoos out there my name is Arun Roka. I represent and captained Baltimore/boulder soccer team in 03 ANA convention. Everything that happen during our semi final match against minesotta, i am fully responsible for it. But here is the catch, everything you guys been hearing is all wrong. This is actually what happen......when the game resume in second half, i was playing the sweeper. During the course of game, one of the minnesota player happen to foul me by kicking me in the shin( i know he did not do it intentionally) the refree did not see that foul. My teammate saw that and got little aggrevated, so they had few words with other player and consiquently there was a bit of push and shove. Seeing that, the whole minnesota team rush to the field, just to make sure things do not completely get out of hands.But what does the referee do? he red cards me and the other guy who had initally foul me. That was a complete bone head call. But hey! we respected that and walked off the field no big deal you know. By then both team were shaking hands and appolizising each other for their behaviour already. two minutes later there is another tackle and the ref calls that foul, our guys walks up to the ref and says "good job".....BAAM!!! he gets another red card....two minutes later there is another tackle, the ref calls it a game, said he had enough. clearly there was 35 minutes to go in the game( mind you this is the same ref who upon asking if a team could have two minutes to strech, replied "get here now or i walk") Now where did all of you guys heard about the brawl, attacking the ref,i don't know.What can i say, i am completely speechless. Who ever told you guys about this lies obviously was not watching the same game. Beside, soccer is a contact sport, at times players get emotional and say and do things out of raw emotions. Give em few minutes everthing will be fine. Its all part of the game, happens all the time.Every one who plays the game knows its nothing personal. Now, Understanding that is the game man ship not blowing things out of proportion. The most disappointment thing about this convention is that, The president of the denver organizing committee Mr. Nabin Datta called COPS on us and treated us like we were criminals and thugs. Some one obviously either khitij, laba, ganesh ( supposedly the sports vols) one of them told the guy the wrong story. Nabin datta did not wanna hear any thing we had to say. All we ask was 35 minutes of playing time, thats all. Lastly, this convention was a mistake for us, if we do not send any representetive in future conventions(i know who cares right??), it is because of that dude Nabin datta, we have no RESPECT for him, and you can quote me on that. |
| KaLaNkIsThAn | Posted
on 07-Jul-03 07:28 PM
Diesel, I hear ya. This is interesting to hear the real side of the story and from the real person who was involved. Bro, Piece of advice, don't keep the grudges... coz at least it was better that there was no accident like in ANA2002 in DC. Syano tino jhagada-sagada is better than broken leg. I am sure that dude who had a broken leg, had a real hard time last year. Enjoy. So, hey, what the heck, I am not going to Arizona... I just looked at the map of USA, and I was like 'dayummmmm, are you nutts????" Do I need Bajaring MY khutta on BHUI? |
| Tej_bahadur | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 06:41 AM
Dear Diesel, I hear you. I heard the refree (The one which was officiating Balti/Boulder Vs. MN) was really bad. Some of player got warning on previous game just because they were talking in Nepali, even that was friendly talking... because of previous incident, some player has requested not officiated by same refree... Denver Soccer organizer was also rookie (Not too much prior experience) But I think, they tried their best... BUT It was really SAD TO SEE COPS IN THE SOCCER FIELD... I DO NOT SEE ANY REASON TO CALL COPS. There was no any physical fight... Peace |
| DWI | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 08:25 AM
I had seen the Boulder/Baltimore game vs New York and I could tell the game was fairly played. Both team seemed to have a good respect for each other and in rare cases were yellow cards given. There was one penalty granted against Boulders, there was one foul on penalty line which didn't get the penalty (again, against Boulder) and there was a goal (second one I believe) where the NY goalkeeper was hit hard by the striker and still no foul was called. But other than that, no players had grievances against the opposing players. From that, and what Diesel has written, I can conclude that it really wasn't the players as they are always blamed. The referee had to take some actions after seeing so many fouls going on (intentional?) but I am not sure if he were to terminate the game. The organizer, Nabin Datta, certainly didn't do his part to estimate the situation and cried foul without proper evaluation. Calling cops might not have caused any arrests, but it certainly made a propaganda out of nothing. I can vouch for Boulder and Minnesota players. I am glad that these things are being cleared here in Sajha. |
| Bathroomcoffee | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 09:36 AM
Given the past history of the aggresiveness and the violence that is associated with the players ...I think the referee made the right call. I know its a contact sport but what about decipline and sportmanship ? Coming late to the game is not the referee's fault. Why the pushing and shoving ? Why ? of course you are going to get carded. Even in world cup, NBA, NFL, or NHL referee's don't always see everything but that does not mean the players can take the matter into their own hands. And what happens when you argue with Referee in any game ? Man you have to think about your own actions before judging upon the reactions of other people. When audience rushes to the field..officials always get nervous(all the time). Calling the cops after the whole thing was over was kinda lame. But I hope the concerned authorities looked into the matter before calling the cops ..Yeah I think they should have at least given you guys a chance to be heard. That of course is very very poor leadership on their part(esp when they were about to call the cops). |
| utopian | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 10:17 AM
It is good to hear from the team captain on his side of story and he is successful in getting some sympathy from most of the people on this board. However, I think the captain, Mr Roka, preferred to give out only selective information. First of all, Minnesota soccer team did not feel safe to be on the field once the violence took over the game. Thats why they rushed to the hotel and did not want to go back to the field. Secondly, Boulder/Baltimore players threatened the volunteers that they will not allow finals to be held, and would turn violent if the organizers wanted to execute the finals as it was planned. That is the only reason why Nabin Dutta had to call cops. It was not because what had happened earlier on the field but it was to stop what the team had threatened to do on the field. Another point, I have followed soccer for a major part of my life and I have never heard soccer being described as the contact sport. It is not American football, basketball or hockey. So Boulder/Baltimore team, maybe thats where you can start your improvement, for your game and your mindset. I can understand that accidents happen during a game. But intentional fouls cannot be taken as accidents and referees do have right to stop the game if they think it is getting out of hands. For that, players dont have to be violent and start making threats. The least they could have done is play fair and report it to the sports committee. Instead they chose to go violent, which is totally unacceptable. The most disappointing thing is, Boulder players should have been helping organizers, as it is their homefield. Instead they chose to create, arguably, the biggest controversy of the whole convention. The Boulder/Baltimore team disgraced the convention organizing process and themselves. Disclaimer: I am not Nabin Dutta, Organizing Committee or Sports Volunteer. I was one of the observers who just happened to know some of the insider information. |
| Tej_bahadur | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 11:00 AM
Looking into news on Nepali Post "Colorado sammelan ko jhalak" Where it say player beat referee...just wondering, if that really happend ? Can some pdate on this ?? Really appriciated... |
| Tej_bahadur | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 11:00 AM
This is url http://www.nepalipost.com/main.html#121 |
| BathroomCoffee | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 11:25 AM
Did the Players actually make threats ? If they did then the organizers definately have a legit point to call the cops. and of course you will be treated as criminasl if you made threats to disrupt the organizers. There is no such things as IN THE HEAT OF THINGS..excuse. Actions lead to reactions..and it seems thats what happened here. |
| utopian | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 11:48 AM
BathroomCoffee asked "Did the Players actually make threats ?". Yes, the players did make the threat. And Minnesota players did not feel safe to play. That were the reasons why cops were called. Otherwise who would be stupid enough to call cops when some red cards are shown on the field. I think organizers are smarter than that. And I think that is the most discgraceful thing Boulder/Baltimore team did. Things happen during a game - understood. But making a threat - it is RIDICULOUS. Can't justify that at all. |
| diesel | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 12:00 PM
Dear Bro Utopian, I respect your opinion, but i disagree with everything that you had to say right from the get go. First of all i am sorry if you did not know soccer is a contact sport, check your facts one more time. You yourself have stated you follow soccer your whole life. Here is the little piece of histroy for you. Since world cup competition started back in 1930 in Uraguay the game has NEVER NEVER been called off. Even in 1985 Hysel incident where 190 plus juventus fan died, the game was still played on. So was the case with hillsborough tragedy in england in 1989. Recently, on confederation cup semi final when a cameroon player named Marc-Vivien Foe collasped on the field and died the game was still played on.In 99 SERI A championship game when Roma was about to win the title for the first time all the fan rushed to the field and interupted the game for more than 45 minutes, however security came out and eventually the game was carried on. when an argentine Depertivo lacourana player broke David beckham's foot in last years champions league semi, there was a fight between players, but the game went on. It is all because it is a contact sport, its been that was since the day of pele, garrincha, charlton, eusibo, banks, maradona, beckbour, muller, Rossi, platini and so many other greats.That my friend Utopian is the universal laws of the game. I can give you many more example but please don't say you follow soccer and don't realize its a contact sport. May be you should get your lessons straight first. Like i said in my previous post players during the course of the game get little emotional. it happens all the time. man, forget us, you see pros lose their cool all the time. The fact is though that is the most important element in the game. You knew going in to the game that push and shove is a possibilities. hell, if you wannted the quiet and peaceful stuff, have a bingo night or something. The organizing comittee obviously do not understand what it takes to play the game and win. All they know it seems is to hit the panic botton and blow things out of propotions. Utopian i don't know who told you that MN players were scared, but when i talked to them they were ready to play( they are my friends from high school for crying out loud) The ref wanted to get paid more money since that would be extra time for him. The organizing comittee did not wanna pay, thats it. Beside, this whole convention had that tune from the start, which is pay up here and pay up there, which we did not mind but the goods were not any good either. Bottom line is it felt more like a money making scam for Dutta's Crews more than anything else, you can ask any one. Hell, they even called cops when ppl start dancing when MAHA jodi were singing. where is the common sense? Utopian, i would like to hear what you have to say. Uatopian, i do not know why you keep saying "violent". did you see any thing like that? did any one even throw a punch? did you actually witness a fight?? did you?? come on now.........if we really wanted to do everything that you said we were gonna do, believe me the cops were not gonna stop it. Lastly Utopian, its people like you who makes me sad because you think soccer is the matter of life and death, BELIEVE ME, IT IS MUCH MUCH MORE THAN THAT..... |
| diesel | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 12:07 PM
UTOPIAN did you hear any one thretening your self??? did you?? I was there, i sure did not, i was the one talking to every players, trying to resolve the matter. I even talk to the cops and the park rangers, after they hear what we had to say the cops left the field. Because They realized they are not needed there any more. Sadly the comitte did not. I am beginning to wonder you could be the one leaking all these lies..... Who are you???... can you come out your egg shell and tell us who you are |
| Lenney | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 01:09 PM
Mr. Roka, I appreciate you coming out and taking the responsibility for your actions. Howerver, out of 12 or so basketball games, 7 or so soccer games wonder why only this game between MN and Boulder had to be cut short? Would like to hear from MN players also. When the players are threatened the organizers have the responsibility to provide the security. I reviewed the soccer rules in the organizer's wesitre. Towards the bottom it says "Referee's decision will be GOD" (or along those same lines). Mr. Dutta and his crew did nothing more than what had to be done. This convention is larger than one team or one person. Kudos to Denver organizing cmte. for doing the right thing. BTW, it was mentioned in this thread that the Boulder team will not be playing next year. Personally I think you have a good team and you should play. However, if you do I am sure you will not be missed. A spectator |
| BathroomCoffee | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 01:40 PM
Emotional during the game ? You have got to be kiddin' me. Thats a very poor excuse for that aggresive behaviour(not like we are playing world cup here).It was supposed to be a friendly game among our Nepali brothers. But if you play a physical game you have got to keep your head cool. Thats why they have rules and referee. If you break it you pay the price(which you did). Why should the organizing comittee have to understand what it takes to win. Don't forget you were invited there, if they did not want you to play.. they can very well tell you to get out. It their tournament..their rules. And it seems like they only hit the panic button after learning about the threat. That seems fair and legit to me...convince me otherwise... ".........if we really wanted to do everything that you said we were gonna do, believe me the cops were not gonna stop it." Now this sounds like a threat to me. Now its this particular kind of language that gets you into trouble. Man it was supposed to be a friendly game..and people always fight. Its this very kind of mentality why Nepal is where it is today. Its not just this year its every year...People can we get along ..... |
| Tej_bahadur | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 01:41 PM
Giving a threat is nothing new on soccer. It is just a part of game. Some people use as mind game to make opponents anger so that he/she loose control which eventually lead poor performance so that one can take advantage of it...AS LONG AS THERE IS NO PHYSICAL FIGHT or WHICH DO NOT LEAD TO FIGHT or INTENTIONAL ROUGH GAME& threat doesnt pose any big threat. I have been also following soccer since Nepal and I have got lots of threat while playing. Not only from other but from my own friend who happen to be playing for opponent team (small one...i.e. hat khutta bhhachi dinchhu¬ life taking &:)). After the game we have same friendship as used to be. BUT I DO NOT PERSONALLY LIKE ANY KIND OF THREAT IN THE GAME. ESPECIALLY, THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN IN ANA SPORTS. Where people came for fun. ANA SPORTS SHOULD STAY HEALTHY. TEAMS should show sportsmanship. Since, I wasnt the witness of Baltimore/Boulder Vs. MN game, just wanted to know what exactly happened. At least we can try avoiding such thing in future. By the way, Was there any fight? did Anyone beat referee (This is what written on www.nepalipost.com)? Just curious, which team shows sportsmanship? We should encourage to those which has shown sportsmanship. Dont we?? P |
| xxintriguexx | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 01:44 PM
Hi!Diesel, Thanks for the whole story....Appreciate and it really takes guts to come up with the whole story no matter what...Be it good or be it bad.........The convention was great and i enjoyed every bit of it and that is what matters to me most...I am already looking at deals so i can make it back to colorado again....Its so much like home.....My second home in the States............Thanks for the update...........All the best...... Intrigue |
| utopian | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 01:48 PM
Diesel, I think the couple of extracts, listed below, from FIFA law book answers many questions you have asked me. Violent conduct may occur either on the field of play or outside its boundaries, whether the ball is in play or not. A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball. source FIFA, Laws of Game, pg 65. http://www.fifa.com/en/game/laws.html The Referee stops, suspends or terminates the match, at his discretion, for any infringements of the Laws. source FIFA, Laws of Game, pg. 16. http://www.fifa.com/en/game/laws.html Repeated Violent Conduct being the infringement of the Law in our case. Seems like you have the excellent knowledge of history. However, one of the things that made all of the legends great is that they respected referees decisions. They never wanted to disrupt the game. And my friend Diesel, just because some violent instances occurred in some past games, it does not make it a contact sport. Even if you look at the history of bingo, there might have been fights that resulted in bad outcome. Show me the source before I will believe that it is a contact sport. Just because you know how to play soccer, it does not allow you to hurt somebody else. I dont have problem with being emotional, the problem is getting out of control. I dont have problem with being passionate of the game, the problem is discarding the rules and regulations. I dont have problem with loosing the cool for a few minutes, the problem is attempting to disrupt the event. The problem my friend is that you should take a game as a game not as your life. If you make soccer bigger than your life, then there is something wrong with that. I guarantee you that even some of the greatest legends had other bigger priorities in life than soccer. As far as Duttas crews money making scam is concerned, the collected money does not even go to Colorado Organization, forget about those hard working individuals. I can write another long post on organizing an ANA Convention to talk about so called scam , which I will save for later. As far as witnessing a fight is concerned, I think thats what the cops were there for; to prevent everybody from witnessing one. You said if we really wanted to do everything that you said we were gonna do, believe me the cops were not gonna stop it. Its good that you guys did not do anything. I can definitely appreciate you guys for that. As far as me starting this rumor, I do not have any intention, interest or desire to start something like that. If I was the one, I would not even be writing any of the posts. Again, I dont belong to ANA, RMFN, Organizing Committee, Sports Committee, Denver, Boulder, Baltimore or Minnesota teams. Again I am an independent observer. |
| thapaktm | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 01:57 PM
Diesel, Soccer is not a contact game. Thats why you get a card when you make an improper contact. Its not a basketball where you can legally foul a player. I also agree that it happens intentionally or unintentionally but you must respect the decision of the referee. Thats the rule. Regarding organizers calling cops, they did a good job. Knowing the activities in and out of the field and threats made you cant just ignore that even if the threat were not severe. If something unfortunate had happened there everyone would have been pointing fingers to the Organizers for not acting properly. Beside, its not bad idea to have security for the safety of players and spectators. The examples of big games you presented where none of the game was called off, believe me they have thousands of cops involved for the game. So, I dont see any reason to be upset to see cops around. Only people who has to be upset having cops around must be ones who has wrong intentions&& Cheer Up. Lets try to bring the friendly matches to the ANA conventions&. |
| diesel | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 02:34 PM
Utopian and Every one else Guys, this is exactly the problem. Miscommunication." Ma garchu agara timi garchu gharaga" Never in my posts that i have said that we dispute referees call, we completely respected that. As far as thretening the openent goes, like i said, our players said few things and their players also said few things along the same line. Why can't you guys get it that it is a part of the game. No one particularly pays any attention to that kind of stuffs. there was no physical fight of any nature. If anyone was heart that was me from the tackle that started this whole mishaps, Utopian i can send you the bill if you like. But, hey man i didn't mind it then i don't mind it now. I take it as a part of the game. Hoever, what we had asked was for the comittee to look over the decision one more time and reconsider playing the remaning of the game instead of painicing and calling the game off and stiring all these unnecessary labels and rumors. If we loose we will take it as a man, no problem. The only injustice that we felt we got was the committee did not even wanna hear what we had to say. The COPS heard it and they felt it was safe so they left. Obviously, we have a miscommunication there. People in the middle exaggerated the whole story by the time it reach the head of the committee. What i am saying is it is his imcompetence to not look in to the both side of the the story. That person being Nabin datta( by the way is he nepali??) we were very disappointed, end of story. Utopian, my dear friend, here is the list of what would be considered non contact sports tennis, badminton, diving, gyminstics, cycling, ping pong, running, javlin throw, shot put, weight lifting and etc. When two bodies will come in contact during the course of the game it will be other wise known as the contact sport. Namely they are soccer, football, basketball, volley ball, wrestling, boxing and etc. Just like in animal kingdom first you seperate virtibate from non virtibate, after that we can even sub group them in the different categories down to their own species. Same Rule applies in the sports, this is what i am talking about.Contact sport by any means doest not mean violence. What i mean to tell you by stating all those violence in the field during the world class game was to make you understand that a game can never be called off. Never have such thing happen in the game of soccer, they have been postponed but not called off. I have said it before and i am gonna say it again, since some of you guys have problem understanding. The game is a contact sport, and ppl lose their cool all the time, ppl even lose their cool playing a back yard basketball, or a simple caromboard game. The only way to deal with it is to take it as part of the game. STOP blowing things out of propotions. I gurantee all of you out there that nothing of that violent nature was gonna happen that day like my friend utopian thinks. I did that when i played for high school and my college, we are way beyond that point. We are all big boys now and we know what we are doing. Just stop labelling us and actually try to know what went down. Thats all...... |
| NK | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 02:41 PM
One question. Is soccer a contact sport or not? Otherwise very enlightening. Keep going. |
| whine and chij | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 02:47 PM
i played for ~15 years. soccer is definitely a contact sport. hence, shin guards, slide tackles, shoulder charges, yadda yadda. don't fight about the fight...it's called a game for a reason. here's an expression i learned in england: rugby is a barbarian's game played by gentlemen; soccer is a gentlemen's game played by barbarians. play on! |
| thapaktm | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 02:48 PM
To agree with Diesel (who is hurt now and lets not hurt his heart anymore), lets have the CONTACT GAME at Arizona next year. Lets take it as a game POSTPONED and not game CALLED OFF. PEACE |
| utopian | Posted
on 08-Jul-03 02:59 PM
I did not find any official document that signifies soccer as a contact sport. Not even FIFA. Some of the things I went through: http://lookwayup.com/lwu.exe//lwu/d?t=&h=&s=f&b=&w=contact_sport&pos=n&Syn_ID=275180&st=relX http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=contact%20sport http://www.bartleby.com/61/56/C0595600.html It seems like it was just an incident that was caused by loosing hosh in josh. But I think organizers still had to do what they did for everybody's benefit. I totally agree with thapaktm and let the ball roll on to the Phoenix, minus the grudges. |
| whine and chij | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 08:21 AM
utopian, how many years have you played soccer? i just spoke with the managing director of federation services at the u.s. soccer federation, who has experience as a referee as well. she positively asserted that soccer is definitely a contact sport and cited three specific types of legitimate contact: ek) shoulder charge dui) slide tackle teen) accidental you are welcome to follow up with her at your convenience: www.ussoccer.com http://www.fifa.com/en/organisation/na/index,USA.html you backed up your position by saying you did not find any official document signifying soccer is a contact sport. did you find an official document signifying that it is not a contact sport? if one really wants to split hairs, soccer could be monty pythonesque (greek vs. roman philosophers), and no one could contact the ball, either. maybe it depends on what the meaning of "is" 'is'... |
| BathroomCoffee | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 08:30 AM
Mr Tej states..."Giving a threat is nothing new on soccer. It is just a part of game. Some people use as mind game to make opponents anger so that he/she loose control which eventually lead poor performance so that one can take advantage of it...AS LONG AS THERE IS NO PHYSICAL FIGHT or WHICH DO NOT LEAD TO FIGHT or INTENTIONAL ROUGH GAME& threat doesn't pose any big threat" This is no demonstration of good sportsmanship. When you play like this you are definately asking for trouble(aggression escalates aggression). For the person who gets hit and shoved around will never see it as unintentional..when you get shoved whether the referee sees it or not... its not fun anymore(none of that Mooode baal). We are talking about friendly game among Nepali people NOT WORLD CUP. |
| stillReturns | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 10:20 AM
hey all... this is Still representin DC soccer and basketball team... what happened in the field between B'moe Boulder and minnessotta wasn't somethin that needed cops to handle.... If u all play the game u should know these sort of things do take place... It had to be some serious issue to call cops in wich case it wasn't necessary.... It happened all because of the organizing committes.. u guys brought some cheap refreez... don't think they cost u much did they?? i am talkin about that lady and that black dude... they are not refrees..... i dont know what they were doin there.... they didnt' wanna stand out on the sun... cause when we had to play our first match we didn't get the field on time so we just sat aroun... and all of a sudden the ground is ready.... We didnt' say notthin... But I asked the same ref if he could let us 5 mins to stretch... and he goes, "you guys play or I am gone!" now thats not nice... like many of u here have said, we're here to have fun... that wasnt' fun... because of that many of us pulled our calfs..... we don't need that kind of refrees... they blow whistle for foul play and the guys outside the field yell, "card!! card!! card!!" and he/she takes the card out... thas not good..... whatever happened to the sprotin event that DC held last year... to the organizers... whats up with the cops guys?? what were they doin out there?? not only they were in the field... they were out side the program hall too... now i don't think anyone had problem in the hall... what were they doin there?? even in the bar... whats up with that??? couldn't u guys take care of that?? to me ... its a disgrace to call cops when its nepli's get together... whatever happens there.. we should be takin care of that ourselves... not cops... it wasn't a good idea... and about that sport thing.... when asked y couldn't u start the game from thursday so that players like myself would get enough time to hang out with new folks.... u guys gave us same answer, that u thought the people wouldn't show up.... thats too lame... I know, u know, everyone knows that its not true.... no body would show up if u had given us that date.... its stupid anyway..... no one can party late nite when they have game early next morning... so u can't fix a game in the morning.... not many people goes to convention just to play.... it would have been great if u guys had tried it in the afternoon... i don't know what else took place in the convention beside soccer and basketball.... cause we didn't get time at all to go check all those stuffs out..... I am not mad.. i am just lettin u know that.... oh and by the way.. i think u guys have prblem with dc winning the championship again... cause i dont' see pics of any of our games posted out there... oh and by the way.. u cant distribute the trophies in the banquet hall... cause those people are not interested in that... they dont' care who won the game.... if they'd care they would be out in the field chillin.... field or in the program hall is where its supposed to be guys... .. there are lot of drawbacks but i can't call 'em all... anywayz... however the organizing stuffs went... its all gone... the organizers were fine dudes... i 'll see u all next year... well u all take it ez Still |
| Tej_bahadur | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 10:49 AM
Dear BathroomCoffee, If you read whloe posting, you will know where I stand... Yoo...Still boy keep rolling... Peace |
| BathroomCoffee | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 11:32 AM
Mr Tej, I do not care where you stand. I am just pointing out that yer statement does not make any sense. Its that lackluster attitute that leads to arguments, to scuffles, then to throwing punches. Now is that good sportsmanship ? I mean if yer life on the line fine...do whatever it takes to stay alive. But this is a friendly match...Why the aggression(and all that push and shove for what) ? I still don't understand... Are u mimicking Dubya talkin 'bout rollin ? |
| DWI | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 12:10 PM
As far as Soccer being a contact sports or not, I think it is, by the mere fact that shoulder contacts are allowed. Slide tackle shouldn't be on the legs, but ball and accidental contact should be referred as illegal contact (or non acceptable contact). It is just my opinion, not a quote. As far as the decision of the organizers is concerned, if there actually was a threat then it is upto the organizer to decide if police intervention was required or not, otherwise he/she will be held liable for any unpleasant event. Going through the points on both sides, I guess it is better to dismiss this matter now and hope for a fairplay in the upcoming ANA events. Otherwise sports will be eliminated from such events. I sincerely hope that won't be the case. |
| Tej_bahadur | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 01:06 PM
Dear BathroomCoffee, Let me make more clear...I PERSONALLY does not like threat in the game. Especially, not in ANA Sports. Where people come for fun... I agree with you on "Game should play fairly and should be friendly..." The one on the quote which you have question is... We have to understand that every expect of the game. Some people use this kind of trick for their benefit. Having said that, I do not mean it has to be play like this. Sportmaship is performed on the field. No one can judge by posting on this thread. I always welcome Sportmaship. >> But this is a friendly match... they should have name "ANA Soccer Friendly match" NOT "ANA Soccer Championship" which is written on the trophy...hoi na ra?? As long as there will championship game.. there will be competition. The main poin competition should be healthy and fairly played. >>Are u mimicking Dubya talkin 'bout rollin ? I was talking to "stillReturns". (His name is Still) Dear DWI, I agree with your opinion on "Soccer being a contact sports or not".. It will be bad decision, if whoever organizer or ANA "Buddha haru" decides Sports shouldn't be part of ANA Convention. Most young people go ANA for sports and fun NOT for forum or not only for culturul programe(This is my opinion). Peace |
| diesel | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 03:16 PM
OK... This is Arun, representetive and captain of Baltimore/Boulder team. Like i said it before, i am sorry to all of you out there if our team caused any of you any mishaps in the convention, definately it was not our intention, i take full responsibility for it. Nevertheless, Last time, i forget to clear up few things with Mr. Utopian and bathroomcoffe. Mr. Utopian, first of all, i am not secretely telling what went down favouring our side of the story. If you think i want sympthy vote from all of you, you are wrong my friend, screw that. Our friends and ppl close to us know the truth and that is all what matters, really. Rest of you out there can think whatever the hell you want, you are certainly entitle to your opanion. I am writing this posts in a hope that may be all of us can learn something from this incident. Bathroomcoffee and Utopian, when i say "if we really wannted to hurt those guys, cops wouldn't have stopped us".....what i mean to clearify was our intentions was not as you have anticipated. If you take that as a threat, once again you are certainly entitle to your opanion. And Bathroomcoffee, what do you mean "why the aggression?" why not Bro? Both of you guys seems like you are not the type of person who understands what does it mean to compete. Like i said it before, Soccer is a contact sport, things get out of hands at times due to the game's competitive nature.It comes with the package you know. What you gonna do? whine about it? the way you guys describe it is like, it should be played like what! we let you score and you let us score and ladi ladi la la.... oh come on!! its not gonna happen that way ok. You play the game to win alright??? otherwise why bother???You talk about sportmanship right?? please enlighten us with what does it mean to be a sportmanship in a field in your views?? Have you ever actually have to make a decision between right and wrong in any form of competitive sport?? your emotions and you principle??Do you actually know what does it mean to stand up for what you believe?? would you like to know how does it feel to loose?? do you know what a team actually means? just because there is 11 guys out there on a field does not make a team. Just because you live in Boston does not mean you are part of that team. A team is something where you belong, some where you fit right in, and you have to earn that right. You have to work for that trust.It just does not happen. Do you know what its like to actually taste a victroy or deal with a defeat?? So don't tell me there is something wrong when i say " some ppl think soccer is matter of life and death, i am disappointed it is actually much much more than that" You guys can't even begin to understand the value of what does it take to step up and take a challenge. Once again i appolize if my post is harash to you guys but that is the truth. You either try to understand me or ignore it, do whatever you want, its a free country, off course you already know that......... |
| Lenney | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 03:53 PM
Diesel, you hit the point "I am writing this posts in a hope that may be all of us can learn something from this incident." Please enlighten us with what needs to be learnt from this incident what have you learnt? Lenghty posts is meaningless at this time as neither the organizers nor the teams can turn back the clock. |
| k-re | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 04:13 PM
MadMax ... may be you should read all other posts....I think he (Diesel) is apologitic. I think he has said sorry. Just because he disagreed with Organizers (rather, refree) doesn't make him less of a man or lessen his love for game and fun. I think he has his point and I respect him for coming out clean. Organizing such a big event is pretty hard. Denver crew did a good job. Obviously there are going to be some tittar..bitttter.....hohalla..and all but it's all part of the convention and it's fun. Don't make a big deal out of it. come on fellas...Let's talk about soccer more...is iit a contact sport? Or not ? or May be?.... |
| k-re | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 05:32 PM
In_Control...Control yaar...you are using same foul language as that thug MadMax. Contral yourself. |
| Kool_dude | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 05:45 PM
With complementary song...(Please turn on the My opinion ... Soccer is contact sports.. Enjoy
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| DWI | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 06:02 PM
I am not a judge here nor an official to decide who is right or wrong. But it is also hard to shut up and see the blood boil over a meaningless flame. Not that I am demeaning the cause. As I said earlier, the Boulder team were very gracious in playing with NY, so you cannot label them as roudy gang of loosers. They were a solid team and were sportsman enough to shake hands before and after the game. Soccer is a high intensity game and adrenaline (+ Testosterone) comes into factor naturally. But there is no excuse for a foul cry that goes over the limit of tolerance. Threats can never be taken lightly, specially in a country like this. Just the simple fact that Arun Roka has identified himself here, and has been speaking about his team means that his intentions were good and he has tried to control his team, being a captain. Few players might have been aggravated, that is sadly a common occurence and referee intervention is required, that is the final verdict. Things, it seems, have happened...we can only expect the future matches to be fair now. If any party realizes its mistake then due apologies will be appreciated by all. If no apologies is granted, no other party has the right to use foul language. Madmax might be angry because of the captain's reluctance to see the plain truth (in his view)..and maybe..he has the right to do that too. Only thing is we can stop this meaningless fight over puny little matters. I suggest the parties to agree to disagree and hope the grievances would be resolved, as I know both parties are by nature, good individuals. I am saying that based on my earlier observations of Madmax's postings and on field behavior of Arun during Baltimore-NY game. |
| diesel | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 06:27 PM
Guys, especially MADMAX, if you haven't read my earlier posts, i have already appolizized to each and every one. For your information my whole team applozized to MN team, I personally went to MN side of the field and Appolozized to Mani Dai, Milan Dai, and Bobby dai for the behaviour of our team. The only person that is left to appolozize now is you MADMAX for your utterly kind language earlier. Or else you know what to do bro, right? I know you are a Big boy you will handle it the right way right?? Looking forward to hearing from you soon MADMAX |
| katmandude | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 07:22 PM
Diesel, I was one of the spectators at that game. Frankly, it was disappointing to see such a sad incident take place between two nepali teams, or between any teams for that matter and did not have a very high opinion of your team. However, you have accepted the responsibility of the actions of your team members and apologized to the fellow players. I think that's an excellent leadership on your part. I am glad you didn't aggravate the situation further here by being more defensive. You openly accepted your mistakes. I think its time to move on and learn from this incident and not let it happen again because it's simply not worth it. I do disagree with your point that calling cops was a bad idea. No one can know what someone else's intentions are. The organizer's were running on tight schedule...they didn't have all the time in the world to play a guessing game of what was planning to do what. I believe they did what they thought was right with everything going on. There were however many soccer games, men's basketball games, womens' basketball games, volleyball. With all that going on it's hard not to take some drastic action when there is a possibility that things might get disrupted. Its not UN you know where people have 11 years to debate what course of action to take next. I 'd rather have cops on the field and around the bar area to prevent anything from happening rather than calling them after the fact. Prevention is always better than cure. Anyways, thats what my thoughts are. Your candor is well appreciated and wish you luck next year if you decide to play. |
| MadMax | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 07:27 PM
Yo Diesel: I hear you dude. If you have apologized as you say, then I take my word back. You da man. Aitt - peace. |
| krishman | Posted
on 09-Jul-03 08:29 PM
Arun ji ,you are right .Anyone who thinks soccer is not a contact game knows next to nothing about soccer . But once the spectators start pouring in to the ground any organiser would have called the police... be it Navin Dutta ,Sunil Dutta ,Sunjay Dutta or Miss Universe Lara Dutta (re kya :-) ). Khit khit khit khit khit khit .........:D |
| BathroomCoffee | Posted
on 10-Jul-03 08:07 AM
Arun, Why not aggression ? Aggression for what ? In sports ? Its because of people of your mentality they had to have referee, instant replay,all sorts of rules and regulations. I know very well how to compete. I was in our college soccer team. You talk like going to a soccer field as if you are going to a war. A GAME IS A GAME, and being a mature person you should know when to be aggressive and when not to. Its not like we are playing for life and death like the INCA. It should be played like its supposed to be played..without thrash talking, without deliberate pushing and shoving, fair and square. I know you are trying to justify your unsportsmanship like behavour with illogical and inconsequent reasoning. Tell me what happens to a player when one vehemently argues with a referee ? I am not whining about it.. I am just an outside observer( i was not even in Denver). Play to win ? See thats where you got it all wrong..its not world cup(Uday Hussain is not going to torture you if you lose the game) Its just a friendly match. "Otherwise why bother ?" That just clearly shows your mentality(set of mind), people play to stay fit, for fun, to hang out with their friends etc etc...You need to look at your game from a different perspective my friend. Listen to yourself..you talk as if you are the only soccer player amongst all the Neapli people out there. Anyone who plays any kind of sports KNOWS there is always a winner and loser(you talk as if you are the only one who knows about this). A team is not a fraternity, or an Army battalion where you have to pledge for a membership or pass test to get it. Yeah if you are a professional player YES. BUT YOU ARE NOT, So please spare us your egotistic and flatulent lecture on winning and losing. Convince me otherwise.... |
| in_control | Posted
on 10-Jul-03 09:21 AM
hey you Bathroomcoffe or whatever, you wrote that you weren't even there in denver so why don't you shut the f**k up and stop judging people. we're trying to end this issue. don't start with ignorant comments again. let's get alone people. |
| lalpari | Posted
on 10-Jul-03 09:53 AM
I can't stand by and not make any comments. So here goes 1)You MUST play to win. You MUST have that mentality to live and be successful in the United States; otherwise you will spend all your life in mediocrity. 2)The key word here is FRIENDLY competition. Usage of foul languages and threats (be it real or perceived) is absolutely deplorable. 3)Organizers DID the right thing by calling the cops. After all USA is a country where rule of law is very applicable. 4)ANA convention is supposed to help bring Nepali people together with one voice, one vision, single objective & to better the Nepali community in North America. If sports activities are being used by certain groups to divert these viewpoints, maybe it does not belong as part of the convention. The FOTBALL loving Nepalese like myself should maybe organize a nation wide Soccer tournament with professional referees and the whole enchiladas. You got to put your money where your mouth is. 5)Trying to disrupt HB and MKs comedy was absolutely unacceptable. We, the paying audiences missed a lot of the dialogues because of the rackets that was going on to the right of us by the stage. They were hitting the girls on the stage with crumbled dollar bills. Young people can have fun but keep in mind that there are a lot of small kids that are watching and we dont want them to think that this was normal behavior now do we! The whole purpose of the convention is to provide positive lights on Nepali culture and Nepali society. Some people tried to disrupt this and that was unacceptable. Final thoughts... guys we need to stick together ... let's learn from it and try to be ONE society ... and not get fragmented. Thanks LP |
| Bathroomcoffee | Posted
on 10-Jul-03 10:52 AM
In Controll wrote,"Hey you Bathroomcoffe or whatever, you wrote that you weren't even there in denver so why don't you shut the f**k up and stop judging people. we're trying to end this issue. don't start with ignorant comments again. let's get alone people." Yeah Mr in controll you just have the right attitute and attribute. The only way you will be able to resolve such issue is by mediating(look back into any sort of conflict from the begining of our civilizaztion be it international or local). We we all shut the fk up it will never be resolved. End this issue with no conclusion ? Then the same incident is going to reoccuring again and again. Then what you're gonna make people shut the fk up again ? Very smart IN CONTROLL... |
| in_control | Posted
on 10-Jul-03 12:44 PM
it's not about what or who is going to stop. it's about put a stop on this nonsence issue. if you wanna argue more on this issue, then just go ahead and talk to a mirror. probably you'll find your answer there. i am done with this issue. i thought there might be some intellectual people out there on "shaja" site, guess what, there isn't. |
| BathroomCoffee | Posted
on 10-Jul-03 01:24 PM
In Controll Oh yeah put a stop o this nonsense issue and let it carry on to next year and have the same problem AGAIN(a real dapper of an idea).Thats a brilliant idea MR GENIUS ....Your suggestion of talking to the mirror is a very enlighting idea as well(Great thinking Mr intellectual maestro).. I am sure you can get all your arguments settled like that. But here in our substantive world we mediate and negotiate to resolve things. |
| in_control | Posted
on 10-Jul-03 02:01 PM
bathroomcoffee----- i have never attended ANA before. this was my first time in Denver cos' my friends pressured me to it. and i never express my opinion in this kind of place. if i want to express my opinions i do it face to face not hiding behind the computer. i just wanted to read what people have to say about the ANA cos' i went there, instead, i found some ignorant idiot like you, banging their head againt the wall senselessly just to make their point, since people have already expressed their opinions what they had to say. good luck. hope you will find your answer. |
| Jindabad | Posted
on 10-Jul-03 05:50 PM
Bathroomcoffee , lalpari , MadMax , Lenney , katmandude and all the chamche haru... Come forward show who you are... It was unneccesary to call COPS... Don't make excuse that you don't have time and you don't know somebody's intention. It was never happen in any other convention... Be like a man...My name is Ram Bahadur Nepali. I live in Denver. |
| katmandude | Posted
on 10-Jul-03 06:24 PM
Shyam Bahadur Nepali from Gatthaghar here. |
| KALANKISTHAN | Posted
on 10-Jul-03 09:20 PM
Koooool_dude aaaaaaaaaaanch! Everytime I come to this thread, 'maya meri maya' by crossroads plays in the background. I was like dayummmm mero computer lai bhakunde bhoot laagyo hehe! Bro ko po kaam rahecha, jhandai ghostbusters lai call handiya. eh.. Jhandai sato putlo udhya eh!! Arka ko chora ko jhandai heartfail bha hehe. |
| StillReturns | Posted
on 10-Jul-03 10:18 PM
hey everyone.... Still again representin DC ... notthin would i wanna add up here.... just wanna ask u guys if we can stop this issue...cause its gone already.... b'more and boulder lost the game and minnessotta came to the finals and that was it... we can't brag here and head back to denver just to play another game again.. so lets all chill .. relax and think about better convention next year..... its a game... u get reckless... u could go wild ... but its just a game... as long as u don't continue to do the same stuff outside the field its all good.... try to learn the facts bros... its over.... lets talk about somethin else.... like my REAL MADRID and their new signings... Becks... what do ya'll think!! still |
| Lenney | Posted
on 11-Jul-03 07:08 AM
Hari Bahadur Nepali from Taplejung is yours truly. Jindabad - what else do you want? Why are you so worried about the cops if you all were so innocent? |
| BathroomCoffee | Posted
on 11-Jul-03 07:20 AM
In Controll, And by posting here ..you are not at all banging anything Huh ? Yeah you think you are so high and mighty..listen to yourself. As if you are doing something completly opposite of what I am doing..Ha ha ! Before you start pointing fingers just tune into your own frequency and listen to your own gab. hehe You are soo smart you will never bang your head against the wall(can you hear me now) he! heh! Ohhh I just wanted to see what people had to say cause I went there..owwww !! Controll Kancha..this is no Ratna Park where you are looking at a TAMASA. People actually have brains and will fire back if you irk them. Just like you ...others have a voice too. Its because of ignorant pricks like you, we can never resolve things in Nepal. Yeah hold on to your pride and stay on that self created pompous pedestal and call names to all the people that are at least TRYING to resolve things. YOU WON"T DO IT AND WON"T LET OTHERS DO IT either(very typical Nepali). We are looking for a resolvement not expression ignoramus. Why am I even wasting my time to talk to a simpleton like you ? alright thats it ...this is my last reply to you. And please keep your thick witted coments to yourself. |