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| Sanjeev |
Posted
on 30-Jun-01 12:17 AM
Does anybody have any details on the recently enacted public security law? As far as I remember from posting on the web, it gives the CDOs the authority to arrest and lock up anybody without any reason on mere suspicion of wrongdoing. I am not a lawyer, but I can, and so can anybodyelse, see the problem with this type of blind faith in the government official. The government may coerce the CDOs to arrest anybody who opposes or criticizes its actions.
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| The Lone Gun Slinger |
Posted
on 30-Jun-01 07:32 AM
The Public Security Act is the best thing to have happened in Nepal in a long time. The country is in serious need of keeping the Maobaadis and other leftist anarchists in check.
The Lone Gun Slinger is a die hard democrat, but he feels it's time for our government to act 'tough' to save democracy and the multi-party system of governance.
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| Freenepal |
Posted
on 30-Jun-01 08:44 AM
The Maoists, the "so called" human rights organizations (read: commies in disguise) and the likes of Padma Ratna and Daman Nath are opposing the Public Security Act big time. There is even going to be a Nepal Bandh to oppose this act. Makes as much sense as a bunch of robbers declaring a Nepal Bandh because the banks put bigger locks on their vaults.
What about my rights to live free of fear in my own country? What about MY human rights? Can you guarantee that Padma Ratna? Or you Daman Nath? Which definition of human rights are you using anyway? Looks like both of you have sold out to the Maoists.
All Nepalese in the U.S. need to come together and raise a strong voice now. We need to let the Maoists in Nepal know that the international community is watching Nepal like a hawk and it will do whatever it takes to keep Nepal from becoming another Afghanistan or Cambodia. Let's get to work, people.
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| The Lone Gun Slinger |
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on 30-Jun-01 10:10 AM
Spoken like a true patriot. Well done. It's time for the government to take 'extreme measures' (if necessary) to protect freedom, democracy and the right of all Nepalese to live and prosper in peace.
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| Sanjeev |
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on 30-Jun-01 01:50 PM
Thank you FreeNepal for your comments. I agree with your viewpoints here.
If it were within my reach, I would start arresting the same lawmakers who made this law on the same grounds that they used to justify this law! How can they be so stupid? I think they forget that a few years from now they and their posterity will suffer because of this.
Let's be clear -- it's not the government that is going to 'save' democracy or the multiparty system. Remember what the government is for and how it came about? The government is for the people and it's the people, the citizens of Nepal, who have put the government in place to serve them -- the people. That's all theory which should reflect the reality. Unfortunately, in case of Nepal, the democratic theories don't reflect the current social reality. By allowing the government to indiscriminately allow arresting people, what are we doing? We, in effect, are allowing ourselves to be arrested for no reason whatsoever. Now, don't tell me that that's not what the government intends to do with this law. Given the current social circumstances in Nepal, it's simply impossible that this law will have any effect in safeguarding people. What will definitely happen, though, is that we will be facing the same situation as in Panchayati era.
The democratic system of government is just a system that we have erected because we, the citizens, know that sticking to the ideals of this system will be most beneficial to us in the long as well as the short run. This does not mean that either because of the short-sightedness of our lawmakers or because of their interest in looting the people under the guise of being a people's leader, we will not suffer.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 30-Jun-01 05:47 PM
Dear FreeNepal:
Your comments drew my attention.[Your name symbolizes tautology
since Nepal is always free! kidding.]
>The Maoists, the "so called" human rights organizations (read:
>commies in disguise) and the likes of Padma Ratna and Daman Nath
>are opposing the Public Security Act big time. There is even
>going to be a Nepal Bandh to oppose this act.
Even if I agree with parts of your comments, I feel it completely
unwarranted to label human right organizations as commie
in disguise. I also disagree with the way you disapprove of Daman
Nath Dhungana,who is one of our constitution makers.
> Makes as much sense as a bunch of robbers declaring a Nepal
>Bandh because the banks put bigger locks on their vaults.
I surely think this is very effective metaphor.
>What about my rights to live free of fear in my own country?
>What about MY human rights? Can you guarantee that Padma Ratna?
>Or you Daman Nath? Which definition of human rights are you using
>anyway? Looks like both of you have sold out to the Maoists.
The two people you mentioned above have always fought for our
right to live in democratic society. They fought in Panchayat,
they fought against the corrupt govts in Nepal. These people
have always opposed government's excesses. They are also disliked
by both NC and UML establishment.We must remember that Daman
Dhungana is the finest speaker we ever had in our parliament.
>All Nepalese in the U.S. need to come together and raise a strong
>voice now. We need to let the Maoists in Nepal know that the
>international community is watching Nepal like a hawk and it will
>do whatever it takes to keep Nepal from becoming another
> Afghanistan or Cambodia. Let's get to work, people.
Even if we want to do something, we are limited in our capacity.
Unless government and police force doesn't appear to be more
pro-public, they are bound to lose popular sympathy. You must
understand that I, and other people in Nepal also who are more
conscious that I,find it difficult to group around the corrupt
government, and strive for national unity in these moments of
difficulty.
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| concerned |
Posted
on 01-Jul-01 10:47 AM
The following is from the latest edition of Nepali Times.
I think it speaks for itself.
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Incarceration of innocents
by R Khadka
Transcript of a telephone conversation last week between the author and two boys from Kalanki who were picked up by police on Friday morning at 11:30 while they were buying vegetables. The family employing the boys went to the top echelons of police to have them released. The actual names of the boys have been altered.
“Hello, can you tell me your name”?
”My name is Ram.”
“Your friend’s name?”
”Hari.”
“I understand the police took you and your friend to the police station yesterday...”
”Yes, they did.”
“When did they arrest you and then let you go?”
”They took us to the police station around 11:30 a.m. yesterday and let us go around three-thirty p.m. today.”
“Can you tell me how they arrested you? What were you doing?”
”Hari and I were going to buy vegetables for the house. A police van pulled up and one of the policemen said to us,’A friend has called you’ and bundled us in and took us to the police station.”
“Did you say anything?”
”No one said anything.”
“How many of you were there at the station?”
”Oh, twenty or twenty one of us...”
“Young and old? Any girls?”
”Most of us were young, between 18 and 22 years of age; there were one or two older men, around 40 years old. There were no girls.”
“And none of you said anything or asked why you had been brought there?”
”No. None of us could say anything to the police. The police said they’d beat us if we talked. So no one dared say anything.”
“Did you find out how the other young men had been brought to the police station?”
”Some of them had been told what we were told: that a friend was waiting for them at the police station; but some others had been asked if they wanted to join the police force...”
“What kind of boys were there? Tough ones? Local hoodlums, you think?”
”Oh, no. Just regular boys. Nobody tough...just normal fellows.”
“Were you all in one single room or in separate rooms? Was there anything to sit on, or did you remain standing all night?
”We were all in one room. There was nothing to sit on. No chairs or benches. It was a cemented floor. There was one straw mat in the room.”
“What if you wanted to go to the bathroom?”
”There was a bucket in the room to pee...”
“And what if you had to more than just pee?”
”A police escorted us to a bathroom outside.”
“Did they feed you?”
“Oh, no. They said we had to buy our food. Nobody ate, so no one went to the bathroom.”
“How did you sleep? Standing up or on the floor?”
”We all slept on the floor, all piled on top of each other. Feet resting on other people’s heads...”
“Were there more of you at night than when you were first brought in?”
”A few more were brought in, but no more that 23 or 25 of us total...”
“So what did they say when they let you go in the morning?”
”Nothing really. I was told not to keep my hair long, to cut it and keep it short.”
“Did the others have long hair?”
”No...”
“Were there any with shaved heads?”
”Yes, quite a few, and Hari had an earring.”
“So when they let you go, all they said was to cut your hair?”
”Yes. And we were let go because the family we work for know important people. That’s why we were let go early. There were still people in the police station when we left.”
“Did the police take down your name?”
”Yes, they did.”
Later, I called the police station where Ram and Hari had been held. A police officer answered and very politely answered my queries.
“Officer, is it true that the police has been taking into custody young men in our neighbourhood?”
”Yes, sir, that is true.”
“And why is that?”
”Well, sir, in the past few days, the situation in our city has been quite delicate, so we’ve been bringing in young men who appear to be troublemakers...”
“Is it still going on?”
”Well, sir, it’s going to depend upon the situation. Today has been quiet. Nobody has been arrested.”
“There were a few arrests yesterday, is that right?”
“Yes, sir. But they’ve all been released with warnings. To not to think about causing trouble. Given the situation in the city these days, sir, we’re bringing in those kinds of young men who have earring, long hair, those who look suspicious. But today, there is no one here.”
“Tell me, officer, is this happening only in our neighbourhood or all over the city?”
”All over the city, sir.”
“So you have the right to arrest anyone you feel looks suspicious and just might cause trouble?”
“That is right, sir.”
“And who gave you this order, officer?”
”From above, sir?”
“The police headquarters? the ministry?”
”Yes, sir, from above...and who are you, sir?
“I live in the neighbourhood.”
“I see, sir.”
“Well, officer, thank you very much. You’ve been most helpful.”
“Thank you, sir.”
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| Sanjeev |
Posted
on 01-Jul-01 12:37 PM
I am very concerned at the posting made by "Concerned" apparently from a Nepali newspaper. Is this the kind of "free" society we want? I wonder if there is any provision in Nepalese constitution that would allow a group of citizens to file a "class action law suit" or some such thing against the laws passed by our leaders. Forgive me for my ignorance regarding these things - I am an Engineer by profession.
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| NYC |
Posted
on 01-Jul-01 01:29 PM
This is also from the Nepali Times (by CK LAL) -
It is terror out here—naked and palpable. The dread is no more of the vagaries of nature (floods or famine), atrocities of the administration (these days, policemen themselves wear hunted looks) or the fear of an uncertain future. It is the most basic of all fears: fear of life. It has become so pronounced that the object of dread is a collective pronoun, a malevolent word full of dread and foreboding.
It is in the context of this harsh reality that the recently implemented Public Security Regulations need to be seen. There are laws to check the tyranny of the government, but how else do you deal with those who have so terrorised the masses that no one even dare take their name?
The idle intelligentsia of Kathmandu is leading the chorus of protest against the regulation. For them, there is nothing wrong with kangaroo courts of insurgents dispensing Taliban-like quick justice.
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| NYC |
Posted
on 01-Jul-01 08:31 PM
CHOR KO KHOOTTA KAAT. Naturally, those who are trying to create terror in Kathmandu are the ones who will shout loudest against the Public Security Act. Those who are innocent (i.e., people who are NOT interested in publishing and distributing subversive materials, calling for Nepal Bandhs, or starting masal julushes and riots) have nothing to fear. True, the police might be more difficult with just about everyone, but hey, if it means more security for the general public, I am willing to put up with some crap from the cops. That is far better than being a prisoner in my own home, living in constant fear and tip toeing around my own hometown - scared that a bomb might go off in Ason or New Road or outside my home.
Those who oppose the PSA might be concerned about freedom of speech and all that jazz; more power to them. Me, all I want is freedom of peace of mind and freedom to walk around Kathmandu without being intimidated by red terrorists.
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| Dumdum |
Posted
on 01-Jul-01 10:02 PM
I agree with you NYC, to some extent.
But I think it is not necessary to sacrifice our right for the
sake of security. I don't think police are so civilized that we
can trust them totally, but now, since they are fighting for us,
we at least need to appreciate them.
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| The Lone Gun Slinger |
Posted
on 02-Jul-01 01:38 AM
We need to sacrifice our right for the short term to safeguard it in the long term.
Baburam Bhattarai and his band of murderous thugs should be dealth with iron fists.
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| LIC |
Posted
on 02-Jul-01 09:14 AM
what do you mean by "we need too make litte sacrifices for peace and order"? Justification of arbitrary use of power/laws is disconcerting. All thinking nepalis - C K Lal including - are understandably getting desperate at Maoists' continuing disregard for the rule of law, but let's not lose our perspective here. Violence begets more violence. well read people like Lal should know history better: arbitray arrests are dangerous signs and percusors to dictatorships. His kind of logic was used by government propogandist during the Great Wars to justify charges of sedition against anyone who were perceived to have damaged the "national cause" - the mad pursuit of war. Can anyone define for me who are people who look suspicious? That you honestly believe Nepal police & CDOs have the ability to discern? I, for one, have grown my hair long and wear ear-rings. does the lathi-weilding policemen in my tole care that i have deep reverence for Lord Buddha and Gandhi?
Nepal's pess made a lot of noise during the arrest of three journalists. But the same outrage isn't there when hundreds of people are being rounded up all over the country arbitrarily? But what's really sad is that even our intellectuals are now losing their mind. Freedom has to be ABSOLUTE. To me my right to keep long hair is as important as press freedom is to Kantipur. There has to be a better way way to contain the Civil War, violence.
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| NYC |
Posted
on 02-Jul-01 10:38 AM
LIC - No, the Nepal Police (or our government for that matter) can NOT discern who is a terrorist and who is not. That is why, anyone who is suspect is stopped and searched. Might not be the perfect solution, but it is the only one they have for now. This is how law and order is maintained - not just in Nepal, but everywhere in the world. Where is it written that the world is perfect?
What I fail to understand is, given the current situation in Nepal, why would you set yourself up to be harassed by the cops? You are free to keep your hair long and wear ear rings, but why flaunt it? Wear a hat when you go out.
I have the freedom to move freely in Kathmandu, but would I drive my car around during a Nepal Bandh? I have the right to free speech, but would I go to Rukum and start debating the lunacy of the people's war? Something called COMMON SENSE would prevail and I would do neither...even though I would be screaming that freedom should be ABSOLUTE.
Violence is never justified, never right. Neither is war in any form or any shape. But when terrorists start planting bombs in the heart of the city, putting hundreds of innocent lives at risk, I want the government to do WHAT EVER IT TAKES to protect me and my fellow citizens from such cowardly acts and from cowards like PK Dahal and the Bhattarai chap. It is my right to expect as much and the last thing I would want to hear would be some intellectual debate on encroachment of human rights.
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| LIC |
Posted
on 02-Jul-01 03:50 PM
you are distorting the picture here. Keeping long hair and wearing ear-rings are very different from driving during Nepal bandh. are you trying to justify these rampant arrests in the name of common sense? some day this govenment may well say stop reading Marx because his books provoke revolutinary thoughts. are we then supposed to hide our books from public to avoid arrests as you are suggesting that i wear hat to hide my long hair. the problem of having too much common sense is that you end up being regimented. democracy essentially is respect of individual freedom. that's not always easy, but whoever said democracy is easy.
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| Namita |
Posted
on 02-Jul-01 04:11 PM
I do not believe anything in ABSOLUTE. I have written something about it while back. I again say: despearte measure for desparate time. Can you honestly say your-hand-in-your-chest and swear-to-god and all that, that nothing is going on in Nepal? That there is no drffierence between Nepal 13 years ago and Nepal now? This is an emergency time. King Birendra sat on him big bum until his own son took action (agreed, for the wrong issue)and now all these so called intellectuals, die hard pc bound want freedom in absolute term. What a tyranny of "freedom of speech!" Tyranny is any form and shape- I abhor it!
Woud you take a gun and shoot at an intruder who broke into your home and try to rape your daughters/sons/wives or will you calmly call a police or gau panchayat and have a paper ready to be signed by the intruder? Or maybe read a "miranda right?" To those who preach absolute freedom, think about it. think close at home. things in abstract may sound sexy and attractive but when it comes down to it it may not be so beautiful. I again reapeat the world is not black and white. It is the sense of judgement that will set you apart from the rest of the howlers. You say "There has to be a better way way to contain the Civil War, violence" what better way, my dear sir?
Namita
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| The Lone Gun Slinger |
Posted
on 02-Jul-01 06:40 PM
You really have no idea how serious the Maoist problem is, do you Namita? We cherish our freedom (just like you), but Baburam Bhattarai and his murderous thugs want to take it away from us. If things go unchecked, they might one day succeed. Then what will happpen to your right to free speech and movement?
PSA is a necessary evil. It infringes upon an individual basic rights. I agree with that. But in the long term it will help to protect those rights.
What people want right now is peace and security, because they see the country falling into anarchy and disintegration. People want real leadership from the government. They want the government to act tough on terrorists and criminals. PSA is the only answer to the present crisis.
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| sanjeev |
Posted
on 02-Jul-01 08:11 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Having the laws is one thing and applying them quite another. What makes you think that having PSA will allow the government to contain the Maobadi crap? How will this law make a difference? Can anybody care to explain it to me?
My take on this issue is that now the public is going to have two forces to be afraid of instead of one - the Maobadis AND the police. Is it better? Of course not.
I think that the ratification of this law sets an omininous precedence, which will result in people losing more of their so called 'democratic' rights in the years to come unless this law is opposed vehemently. Obviously, this is just my opinion and I could be wrong.
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| freedom |
Posted
on 02-Jul-01 11:41 PM
I agree with you sanjeev. I am as convinced as CK Lal and co that the Maoists need to be contained, and that they have to be made to give up their violent ways. Absolutely. But it's difficult to justify a draconian law that is sure to be misused (there are already reports of arbitrary arrests and detention) by Nepal police and other officials. I am deeply suspicious of a trigger-happy establishment, which doesn't hesitate to slap journalists with charges of sedition for giving room to a dissenting voice (some members of the Koirala cabinet even suggested death penalty to Kantipur jounalists for publishing BRB's controversial article). Less said about the administrative restraints the better. Don't forget it was the police atrocities in the villages that in the first place gave Maoists a much needed legitimacy at the grassroots.
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| The Lone Gun Slinger |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 01:28 AM
It is not police atrocities that is responsible for the spread of Maoist ideology in the rural areas, as you would like to believe. Grinding poverty, widespread illiteracy, 'sweet' Maoist propaganda and 'death threats' by the Maoists are the real causes of escalation of Maoist violence. In other words, the Maoists are taking for a ride the very people they say they are going to 'free' (whatever the word implies in their terminology).
The Maoists must be contained at any cost, and PSA is the right step in that direction, however draconian it may seem. Remember, we are a country in crisis. A critical situation demands critical actions. I believe that in the long term, this is the only way to thwart the forceful takeover of power by the Maoists.
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| LIC |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 02:44 AM
my friends, forget a law, PSL or whatever, thwarting a rebellion as deep-seated as People's War. You are, sir/madam, laughably ignorant, or doing so by choice. You overestimate the law's power. yes, we are a country in crisis, and Maoists need to be stopped right away from doing what they have been doing with aplomb: resorting to violent means in their pursuit for vague goals. But unless people perceive the government as compassionate, there's no hope. Repeat no hope. Maoists have used various means to indoctrinate/influence people, but by far the most powerful one has also been very simple: each time police kill ten villagers, Maoists have a 1000 converts in the village. You don't need too much propoganda to change people's mind, when they see a neighbor, or a brother butchered in front of their eyes. The long-term solution to People's War is not this draconian law (as you suggest), but gradually eroding the legitimacy of the War. I am afraid, the so called tough measures (also to be backed up now by combat helicopters for the police) will prove to be badarko hatma nariwal. (Some IGP,DIG/arms dealers and members of Koirala clan will get even richer with these arms deals). Didn't a similar grand illusion lead to the great American foreign policy fiasco in Vietnam? What do you do when the people you are supposed to be fighting for turn against you? You adopt a multi-pronged strategy, revise your failings. Nepal's rundown bureaucracy, corrupt political class, coupled with an indisciplined police force, is up against a highly motivated Maoist campaign.
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| irritated namita |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 09:21 AM
"You really have no idea how serious the Maoist problem is, do you Namita? We cherish our freedom (just like you), but Baburam Bhattarai and his murderous thugs want to take it away from us. If things go unchecked, they might one day succeed. Then what will happpen to your right to free speech and movement?
PSA is a necessary evil. It infringes upon an individual basic rights. I agree with that. But in the long term it will help to protect those rights.
What people want right now is peace and security, because they see the country falling into anarchy and disintegration. People want real leadership from the government. They want the government to act tough on terrorists and criminals. PSA is the only answer to the present crisis. "
The Lone Gone slinger! Dear God, help me! did you read what i said????? I AM WITH YOU, FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!! God, it is exasperating!!
namita
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| Mahesh |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 09:51 AM
The thing that baffles me the most is that COMMUNISM has failed everywhere in the world. Its pretty evident if we just look across the border. If it hadn't been for capitalism I don't know where the chinese would be today. Or look at Russia..
Now I still do not understand why these Mao people are trying to bring Communism to Nepal while knowing the fact that it does not work. Are these people that naive, or are they just after the power ? Regardless whoever comes to power its going to be the same old problem(pocketing money). I think to bring Law and order in Nepal we would need Dictatorship(Pakistan). At least for a short period of time. Take care of all these pests, put the country o track, get it rolling... then go for doouukwasssii.
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| LIC |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 10:43 AM
Let's just assume. What if the dictator decides you are the biggest villian (dictators need no grounds) in Nepal; and that you don't deserve a trial in the court of law; and that you will be hanged?
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| Mahesh |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 11:34 AM
If things get to heated, then there will be another uprising. Extreme situation calls for extreme solutions. All this Nepali wishy washy ways have got to go. We need an overhauling of the whole political system. All these pigs used to old ways of bribery & extortion have got to go. Nepali people are known for their honesty, bravery, and hard work all over. But these old farts running the country gives the country a bad wrap. They don't have the Balls, can't hold their own. If they did they would have had the whole MAO problem under controll. We are losing revenue(country desparetely needs) due to this problem. Tourism(main source of income) industry has taken a very bad beating because of this. people are finding it hard to go a day ato day basis. We have gone from BAd(panchayat system) to worse(current dooouukwasi).
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| NYC |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 12:06 PM
For all those opposed to the PSA, what DO you suggest then? How do we deal with the crime, the anarchy, and the terrorists hell bent on taking over the country? Do you have a more workable solution?
Several months back, the government proposed negotiations with the Maoists - PK Dahal said "great idea" and then went on a blood bath in Dailekh where his troops tortured and murdered dozens of Nepali daju bhai. Negotiations are definitely out.
Next, the government proposed sending in the army - our paranoid intellectuals/journalists/communists raised hell over the possibility of starting a civil war and killing nepali "daju bhai." No one had the guts to send in the army anyway.
Now, the government wants to introduce a security act that could reduce the growing crime rate in Kathmandu and contain the Maoist movement - and the same group of people are raising arguments about abuse of freedom. Even simple security acts can not be implemented in this country.
While the government and the public drag their feet and disagree about everything, the Maoists are making rapid progress. They took advantage of the Royal massacre and made significant inroads into Kathmandu. Now, they are on a supercharged power trip. last week it was Ason tole. Yesterday, Thimi. Today, Balaju. Where tomorrow?
Nothing anyone can do or say will stop them.Their ultimate dream is to march into Narayanhiti and establish a People's Republic of Nepal. Naturally, any attempts to "gradually erode the legitimacy of the War" or talk them out of it or put flowers in their guns or other naive, gutless, wishy washy acts will NOT work. Why the hell should the Maoists quit when they feel that success (imagined or real) is so close to them?
So, if the government is to be discouraged from implementing acts that will protect the public, what would you like them to do? Let's hear it.
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P.S. please enjoy your freedom to move around during the Nepal Bandh on July 12. On that day, PK Dahal will kidnap and hold 23 million people hostage in their homes to oppose an act that would make it illegal to...you guessed it, kidnap and hold 23 million people hostage in their homes !!
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| The Lone Gun Slinger |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 12:11 PM
That's where you are wrong. People want strong leadership from their leaders, and he who can provide it gets all the followers. If the government acts tough now, then the people will side with it and the tide of war will be turned. Nobody wants to be on the weak and losing side. For sometime it has looked as though the government is too weak and fragmented to deal effectively with the Maoist aggression. But now slowly people are realizing that the government is fighting back and democracy has a chance of survival.
Your argument that 'if police kill 10 Maoists, there will be 1000 new converts to Maoism' doesn't hold much water. You must be naive to believe in such a theory. Also, comparing it with the American involvement in Vietnam is totally off the mark. In Vietnam, they were fighting a foreign army, which is not the case in Nepal.
You believe in 'passivity' and 'inaction'. This works with only those enemies who believe in fair fight. Baburam Bhattarai and the Maoists are fighting a 'dirty' war. The government must hit back in the same way.
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| psa |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 05:00 PM
If the Public Security Act is okay today, what will they bring in tomorrow? Nepal may slowly turn into a police state. Is this better than a Maoist state?
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| The Lone Gun Slinger |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 06:35 PM
Sorry I misunderstood you, Namita. Glad to know that you are on my side.
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