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| lalpari |
Posted
on 17-Jul-03 11:56 AM
This is a philosophical question and we could have some fun with it. The question is: Do we live in a frindly Universe? Let's see what we get from the Sajha inteligentia. This is sort of a research for something I am writing!!
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| Echoes |
Posted
on 17-Jul-03 01:04 PM
The thus far discovered part doesn't sound all that unfriendly to the inhabitants of our planet. And with the ever-evolving technology, humans have been able to predict and reason many cosmic phenomena, thereby making it even friendlier.
Again, the Universe isn't nearly all discovered. You never know what the unknown is made of. Maybe there exists a hostile extraterrestrial life!!
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| Bilbo Baggins |
Posted
on 17-Jul-03 01:31 PM
You should actually break down this question and think along the following questions:
1) Do we live in a friendly Street?
2) Do we live in a friendly Neighbourhood?
3) Do we live in a friendly City?
4) Do we live in a friendly Country?
5) Do we live in a friendly Continent?
6) Do we live in a friendly World?
Once you answer some of these questions then you will begin to get the answer for your question about a universe being friendly or not! Also, I don't mean to be nit picking but what do you mean by being friendly? You need to be clear as to your definition of friendlyness!
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| rebelismyname |
Posted
on 17-Jul-03 02:18 PM
Echo
I don't see how cutting age technologies make the universe friendly.It only makes life easier for us, selfish human beings. we're killing the world we live in the name of technology. we are killing part of the universe and expect the universe be friendly with us? I'd like to know how friendly would you be if someone kills member of your family.
Agree with BB
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| whine and chij |
Posted
on 17-Jul-03 02:39 PM
according to the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, the answer is 42. what was the question? ;)
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| Echoes |
Posted
on 17-Jul-03 02:41 PM
RebelIsMyName-ji,
May I bring it to your attention the fact that my post has made NO reference or
implication in support to (or against!) killing your, my or anyone else's family members.
I understand that you are frustrated, but that's a different issue altogether so that should be discussed on a separate thread.
But let me tell you that your blaming technology in general for all the killings that take place in this world is only ridiculous. Apparently, you are taking technology for granted and don't recognize its virtues. I can only urge you to think a little further than that.
And obviously, I now understand your nickname.
Respectfully Yours,
Echoes
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| czar |
Posted
on 17-Jul-03 03:06 PM
While some clarification by lalpari on just what consists of 'friendly' might have come in handy, I will still venture an opinion. It is based on the assumption that 'friendly' being related to 'supportive of,' specifically, life. If this assumption is off the mark then readers are urged to consider as invalid the thoughts presented hereon. That said, here's my two cents.
The universe presents a very hostile environment for the kinds of 'life' as we know it. From gravitational forces that pull apart galaxies to radiation that can go throught planets, the known universe presents an extreme of conditions. Energy and matter interact in an endless manner of ways, quite often creating astounding beautiful sights, but create conditions that are fatal to every known form of life.
Within the Saggitarius constellation lies the Swan nebula, which is a spectacular sight. It is a hotbed of gases and enormous forces where stars are spawned. Stars that are thousand of times the size and intensity of the one our planet rotates around. Beautiful to behold yes, but absolutely lethal for any creature, plant or organism inhabiting our watery blue planet. The intensity of the radiation in that region would pulverize this planet. A most displeasing thought for those that would prefer to have this planet intact.
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/2003/13/
It has been estimated that certain specific conditions are necessary for any sort of life to form and/or flourish on a planet. Certain specific characteristics of habitable planets are defined in what are know as the Habitable Zone. An example would be the planetary distance such that it is recieves only a tolerable amount of radiation from the surrounding radiation sources.
That it be within a certain distance from a single star so that it recieved sufficient heat etc. (Double star systems tend to be unstable and eventually tear apart, all the whilst creating gravitational environments that do not support formation of planets with stable orbits etc.) It seems that such planets within habitable zones are quite a rare phenomena. Of those, how many had life evolve on them? The score at present stands at an arguable and uneven ONE.
Phew.. er..rather than blather on endlessly in case I have seriously misunderstood the topic, I am going to take a break..and seek some liquid sustenance. Cheers !
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| Echoes |
Posted
on 17-Jul-03 05:40 PM
Czar-ji,
I agree with what you have said. And I also agree that lalpari has been very vague in the original question.
But my take is that simply because life is possible on earth, the Universe is friendly to the living beings that exist here.
Respectfully Yours,
Echoes.
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| czar |
Posted
on 17-Jul-03 09:21 PM
"Towards the end of the sunny month of June,
When the north wind congregates in crowds
The floating mountains of the silver clouds
From the horizon - and the stainless sky
Opens beyond them like eternity.
All things rejoiced beneath the sun, the weeds,
The river, and the cornfields, and the reeds;
The willow leaves that glanced in the light breeze,
And the firm foliage of the larger trees."
That there exists a form of life that ponders its own existense and sentience is a miracle of incredible proportions. Those words from Shelley lend even more credence, not that it is needed, to the notion of the universe as a friendly place.
Without due appreciations offered beforehand, allow me to briefly speculate about how things might go if one were to extend that earlier thought that the universe is, for all intents and purposes, a friendly place because our planet supports life. If so, could it be that the black hole at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, as it sucks entire star systems to nothingness, is but exuding bonhomie in the form of intense radiation? Surely, its delight would be expressive if it could but get our solar system within its inescapable gravitational grasp. Then all living things on this planet would feel, even for a fleeting moment, the forceful charisma of that astronomical phenomena as first our sun, then this planet is shredded to sub atomic particles. Hmm, sounds remarkably like Buddists attaining their ultimate goal of moksha.
A delight to converse on a subject of intense personal interest but one I've found scant opportunity to discuss.
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| Echoes |
Posted
on 18-Jul-03 08:19 AM
It is precisely because the events like those you have imagined on behalf of the black hole have not taken place that it is fair only to say that the universe is friendly to the living things on earth.
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 18-Jul-03 08:28 AM
Do we live in a friendly universe? Hmmmmmmm...
I think the real question should be: Are we friendly to the universe?
Universe is absolute--it always was, and it always will be, what it is now. It is us humans who have the capacity to amend our ways if need be, and are bestowed with the flexibility to adjust the way we think and act, that we can either be friendly or hostile to the universe.
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Kyaa philosophic question sodhera malaai ni philosopher nai banaaidyo yaar echoes le.
Poonte daarsanik.
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 18-Jul-03 08:29 AM
dherai philosophic bhayechhu kyaara...wastabikta ko khyaal nai bhayena...eheheh
echoes le haina raichha...LALPARI le!
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| KaLaNkIsThAn |
Posted
on 18-Jul-03 09:01 AM
Aaafnai "thegan" chaina, Universe ko kura?
Ma busy chu, baru sunau kehi kaam ka kura!!
(dai bro, chatroom ma aam ta)
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| rebelismyname |
Posted
on 18-Jul-03 11:48 AM
hello Echos jyu,
first of all thank you for reading my posting and replying in a kind manner. I just want to let you know that I don't take technology for granted. I happen to be working as an engineer for past four years in one of the world's largest companies. I guess I can claim that I recognize the virtue of technology. I am the insider. The reason I mentioned about killing is because you said that technology has made this universe friendlier to us. I beleive that in the name of technology we're destroying our eco system. I don't think I have to tell about the global warming, green house effect, space junk etc (unless you are like BUSH). I assume you are a very smart human being to recoznige the effect of all these to our earth and the earth is part of the universe. Universe is the daddy and the earth is little "maila". If technology is killing little maila, I don't see how universe will be friendly to the technology. I was just trying to give an example by talking about your family. I apologize for that.
Maybe I should say that its not really technology that is bad. Its us who don't take a time to think about our future and let the sold out politicians make decisions for us. Technology can be made more eco friendly but we are just not allowed to do so because our "BOSSES" don't want us to.
rebel
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| lalpari |
Posted
on 21-Jul-03 08:19 AM
It's nice to hear so many interesting concepts. I have been reading these posts daily and thank you all for giving your point of views. But, Id like more people to respond to get wider thoughts from Nepalis around the world.
1) I purposely left the definition of Friendly to be very vague.
2) I read somewhere that in the early 1970s astronomer discovered a SMILEY FACE structure in Mars. Does that mean there are Martians and they are friendly?
3) Is there any reference to alien life in our scriptures and myths?
4) Bilbo Baggins parameters, kind of make sense.
5) When we fight war and support killings in the name of war & is that being friendly?
Thanks. Keep it coming!!
LP
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