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| SimpleGal |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 04:09 AM
I watched this interesting Indian movie the other day called Astitwa, which has the thespian of modern alternative cinema, Tabu. Toward the climax of the movie, the character of Tabu poses a query to her husband that intrigued me immensely as it was something I had not given a thought to thus far.
Translated (crudely) into English, this is her query:
When a man has erotic desires, he has brothels and prostitutes to quench them. Where does a woman go? Where are society's provisions for her needs/wants/desires?
What are your thoughts on this issue of female sexuality?
In peace.
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| KaleKrishna |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 04:48 AM
Beware of girls on the hunt on the full moon night, that is when they are in one of their peak cycle phase. The ovulatory phase brings with it hormone surge and the immense desire.
Well, regarding where they have to go.. is wide open for discussion
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| Suna |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 05:11 AM
Simplegal
With hopes of hearing other people's opinions on this, these are my own perceptions.
I believe your loaded question(s) have got a lot to with the culture.
Most western women would not have problems sharing their desires with their partners, flings, whatever else.whereas women from suppressed cultures are not supposed to have any desires nor sexual wants therefore, the question of where they go does not even arise.
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| noname |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 05:51 AM
SimpleGal and others,
Let me quote here a paragraph from "Sex and Marriage" by Bertrand Russel (I took this piece from "Bertrand Russell's best" : a selection by prof. Robert E. Egner.) I hope this won't be something out of context!
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Men have from time immemorial been allowed in practice, if not in theory, to indulge in illicit sexual relations. It has not been expected of a man that he should be a virgin on entering marriage, and even after marriage, infidelities are not viewed very gravely if they never come to the knowledge of a man's wife and neighbors. The possibility of this system has depended upon prostitution. This institution, however, is one which it is difficult for a modern to defend, and few will suggest that women should acquire the same rights as men through the establishment of a class of male prostitutes for the satisfaction of women who wish, like their husbands, to seem virtuous without being so.... Every conventional moralist who takes the trouble to think it out will see that he is committed in practice to what is called the double standard, that is to say, the view that sexual virtue is more essential in a woman than in a man. It is all very well to argue that his theoretical ethic demands continence of men also. To this there is the obvious retort that the demand cannot be enforced on the men since it is easy for them to sin secretly. The conventional moralist is thus committed against his will not only to an inequality as between men and women, but also to the view that it is better for a young man to have intercourse with prostitutes than with girls of his own class, in spite of the fact that with the latter, though not with the former, his relations are not mercenary and may be affectionate and altogether delightful. Moralists, of course, do not think out the consequences of advocating a morality which they know will not be obeyed; they think that so long as they do not advocate prostitution they are not responsible for the fact that prostitution is the inevitable outcome of their teaching. This, however, is only another illustration of the well-known fact that the professional moralist in our day is a man of less than average intelligence.
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 07:03 AM
Sajhapure Nara tatha Nari haru, salute!
I think this is one of the most profound questions I have encountered in Sajhapur. Let me attempt to answer this first with a rather tongue-in-cheek analogy. Then if you are still interested, I will try to explain that by bringing in no less an authority than Frederick Engels, the first feminist!
In a sweltering class room somewhere in Bihar, a teacher was trying to impart some geographical wisdom into his seventh grade pupils. The day's lesson was on the himalayas and the river system. So at the end of the class he went around the class randomly asking the students to see if they got the main points. When he walked to the back of the class, he found Appu in a heat-induced sleep.
The teacher shook him and asked "Appu beta, ab tum hum ko batao ki Ganga kahan se nikalti hai aur kahan ja ker milti hai?"
Appu had slept through the whole class, so he had no idea about the river Ganga, so he answered about the only Ganga he knew.
"Sir ji, jaab aap ghar se nikal kar school ki aur chalte hai, Ganga madam ji ghar se nikal kar
udhar Chhaten Lal se milne chalte hai."
So, this is one place where a woman might go.
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| Suna |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 07:09 AM
SC
:)
hahaha....well if the society does not allow for meandering, the cows shall always meander somehow...nowdays I hear ganga cyber pe jati hai.
K bhancha ni...where there is a will, there is a way.
Jokes aside. Some more plz. SC
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| lonely |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 09:22 AM
Simplegal,
Very interesting and jaldo baldo topic.
The answer to this issue, if you are thinking about Nepali society will be negative....but don't know how to address this. This made me more confused than I was before..hehe
Tara as mentioned above, when there is a will, there is a way..re kya??? Does that apply to everyone?? Khai I don't think so...you don't have to buy it...
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| VincentBodega |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 09:48 AM
KAMASUTRA...
I thought we came from the part of the world where we worship Gods of sex... dont give up on them now.... Kamasutras supose to be the panacea of all sexual cravings !!!
Cant believe you all forgot about this holy grail!!!
ha ha ha !!!
Njoy...
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| Suna |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 10:07 AM
Lonely
My reply was in context to Suva Chintak's posting.
Where there is a will, there is a way .... YES, is applicable to this subject as it is with everything else in life.
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| BHOGATE |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 10:15 AM
I thinks all them goes to Veggie marketa, Don't you Thinks? BUt WHY? NO MAN CAN STISFY This WOMen. SO veggie market, no MVC there, Right? ANd Make all Men Just Keeps Shakings , Dont U Know?
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| john doe |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 10:21 AM
Mr. Bodega, i think the question was where can a woman go to in order to satisfy her sexual desires, which implies that she is already familiar with the sexual act itself. I think the problem is not a lack of knowledge of what to do, but where and who to do it with.
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| NK |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 10:34 AM
Haven't you guys and dolls heard of UPS guys, milk man ( in old days), and Fed ex guys? :) (not so)SimplGal surely you must have heard about them. In old days in Nepal if you were of a certain socio economic background you would have your own 'natho' (not everyone of course!). Not all men go to brothel or start having an affair just because their desire demands so. Women don't run around with a dildo in their hand (or do they?) because erotics come knocking on their heads and hearts and bodies. I think it is desirable, especially if one is in relationship to talk to their partners when the erotic desire raise its head. If the partner has a headache, well, tough. That is when fantasy comes in.
;)
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| marich |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 10:38 AM
natho khelune kura natho khelaune manchelai bhanda natho nakhelaune manchelai badhi tha hundaina hajur..mero dui paise bichar hai..
rish uthema lat hane huncha malai..ma maja le thapi dinchu..kahile kahi ta ho ni..
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| NK |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 10:44 AM
:)
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 10:39 PM
Simple Gal,
Interesting thread...never thought about that...btw, what the literature says?
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| phateko_kattu |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 11:15 PM
Nk ji says :
[ Women don't run around with a dildo in their hand (or do they?)
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Few years ago Padma Kanya Campus ko dhal(safety Tank )safa garne bela ..almost dui kilo bhenta (egg plant /brinjal) kahan baata ayo ta .college ma gayera bhenta ko tarkari ta kasaile pakaudainan kyara .:D
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simplegal naani ,
dimaag lai badi tension nadeu maiyya .woman dont go anywhere .They go to college .
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| yogi |
Posted
on 23-Jul-03 11:41 PM
Hi Everyone!!
Chitta ma vaye vittama manama vaye banama!!
When there is a will there is a way. I agree with suna profoundly.
Tabu was playing a typical middle class housewife role in this movie where her husband is insensitive to her sexual needs .So one day she could not hold it anymore and decided to quench her sexual desire with her music teacher.
In America and Europe, women have no problems finding sex. There are plenty of male escorts and hoe's if they are tired of husbands and bf's. Only thing you gonna need some doe to buy sex in the market. In our culture also, if you read Kamasutra you will see dildo(batteries) mentioned in couple of places.
In country like our's sexual freedom comes with economic freedom. It's a package deal. Until then batteries are good alternatives I guess.
yogi
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| SimpleGal |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 01:41 AM
Thanks everyone for your thoughts. :)
I don't have an answer myself. Only speculations. I agree with the first remarks that Suna dijju made -- women, regardless of culture and more so in the oriental culture, are viewed and expected to have no desires whatsoever. For centuries, she has been made to be a *gracious* and *grateful* recipient of the favors that may come her way from her husband. And as yogi ji pointed out in his brief recap of the story behind Astitwa, her desires are fulfilled at her husband's beck and call. Interestingly, the title of the movie is Astitwa = Identity of a woman in many different spheres of life, not just sexuality. The character of Tabu is mostly without a *voice,* which is the fundamental aspect of female suppression. She is educated and talented, yet mired in what is both the boon and the bane of being a woman--her devotion to her man.
I do not mean to generalize this across the board to claim this to be true of all women. There may be the ones, and they are purported to be increasingly on the rise according to various media reports, who have devised ways to express their desires when the husband or bf is unattuned to her needs. Extramarital affairs and premarital sex have become commonplace both in metropolitan and rural areas of the world. And history is not without its share of both fictional and nonfictional accounts of women's *non-normative* experimentations and experiences in the quest for their Astitwa. Edith Wharton's short story (I forget the name at present) comes to mind as well as this interesting book by Bharati Mukherjee called Wife. And of course, the controversial movie by Deepa Mehta-- Fire. In the latter movie, the husband, upon finding out the homosexual relationship between his wife and the sister-in-law, says to her (from what I recall): "What I saw is a sin. Desire is the root of all evils." To this the wife replies, "Without desires, I cannot live."
I will write more later.
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| boke |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 03:53 AM
What a difficult question. On one hand, one can't feel but sorry for the woman who is not getting any. On the other, one should not encourage infedility in the sanctity of marriage. Ke garne?
What would women do? Really.
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| Jhilke Kyailan |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 05:03 AM
Taking sexually transmitted diseases aside, in past societies where contraception was lacking, a sexually charged woman having a lot of sex with multiple sexual partners was dangerous for....
1) The woman herself
As it would in all likelihood lead to an unwanted pregnancy for which paternity could not have been established, and thus the woman would in most cases have had to bring up the child on her own, putting an intense amount of pressure on her (as in the early days, social safetynets as provided by most western societies did not exist).
2) The Child that could potentially be born.
If the child was born outside of marriage, chances were that the mother would not have been able to find a husband and so the child would have grown up, if at al it survived the trials of childbirth and early infancy, without a father figure and a support stucture...which could have hindered the full emotional development of the child, incapable of functioning properly as an adult later in life.
3) The Society in general
A society where there were a large number children, of single mothers struggling to make ends meet, would possibily have faced stability problems. If one accepts the premise that besides being the base of emotional support that an individual needs , the (traditional) family is also the primary instituions that enforces discipline on that individual, endorses socially acceptable norms and values and teaches the need to have clearly defined and widely accepted rules as the benchmark for social interaction (otherwise there would be anarchy)....and accepts also that a single parent would have had difficulty providing for all the needs of the child and playing all the roles, as in a traditional family, that are important for the childs upbringing.....then one could postulate that society would have had a large number of people with flexible and varying moral and ethical standards, perhaps lacking in discipline and respect for authority and, not giving sufficient effort to the adherence of social rules and etiquete. That society would have been too heterogenous...ie& too many people with too many varying wants and desires and not enough respect for mutually accepted rules, norms or values..... In short, it would not have been able to function cohesively and thus would have died and not developed as a society.
For these reasons, female sexual promiscuity was frowned upon and discouraged. This societial discouragement was, in part, manifested through religious indoctrination and came into practice as socially unacceptable behaviour. The effectiveness of the social manipulation had been so thorough that even until today, some (maybe even most?? ) women do not hold other sexually promiscuious women in very high regard. (I could be wrong on this but I am just going by what my female friends say).
Men, on the other hand, never had to physically deal with the consequences of frequent sexual intercourse. Once again taking STD's aside, they simply could not give birth to a child, and hence, never had to seriously consider those consequences. Because of this promiscuity in men was dealt by society through a double standard. Although in theory it was still frowned upon, secretly it was accepted and ultimately became celebrated.
(However I must add that it became celebrated simply because of supply and demand. As society discouraged it and once women themselves understood the consequences, they were less inclined to have multiple sexual partners or sex outside of a social contract that in some ways safegaurded them fom having to face those consequences alone.....Thus the scarcity factor, much like owning an antique or being able to do what very few others can, is what led to male promiscuity being celebrated.)
However today, with the abundance of contraception available to men, but more importantly to themselves, women can reduce their risk of getting pregnant to virtually nil and so do not have to worry about the consequences. Having the instictive desire , as all animals do, to procreate but with also the human capacities to experience and enjoy sexual and sensual pleasure, they have the same desire and appetite for sex as any man in general....and they are acting on them. As we can defer from casual observation, in the socities where contracaption is more easily available, as the west, on average women are likely to have more sex (for her personal pleasure), with a higher degree of experimentation and and with a greater number of partners than in societies where contraception is less readily available (or used). Societies with easy access to contraception have also tended to be the ones with a higher degree of female emancipation and gender equality....whether one was a precursor for the other and if so which one or whether they both resulted from other changes in society can be and is being debated.
However the interesting phenomenon to observe is the gradual declassification of female promiscuity as a social taboo in these socities and also the greater acceptance by men in these societies of the natural right of women to have healthy sexual appetites and also, the right to act on them without being labelled loose . This in itself is also fuelling and empowering the women of those societies to have more sex. Thus we can safely say that the cycle of acceptance that will lead to the complete sexual emancipation of women, in these societies, has begun. In time as it becomes more prevalent, promiscuity among women will be looked upon as the same as that for men. Whether promiscuity itself will be celebrated or frowned upon will depend other socialogical considerations.
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 09:45 AM
People,
Shouldn't the first question be 'What does a woman want?' before we settle the issue of 'Where does a woman go?' We definitely need to get our horse before the cart if we intend to get anywhere on this vital issue of life and lust.
All the impassioned talk of 'natho', 'kamasutra', 'sexual desire', 'dildo' 'satisfation' and the rest has jogged my memory of my cavalier Physical Education teacher in grade nine. This guy thought he was the Romeo in town and was hitting on every female teacher, he cared not whether they were married or single. "All is fair in love and war", he never tired of telling us of his philosophy when we teased him about his various escapades. Does it ring a bell in any of you?
What follows might be inappropriate for those under 18 or those raised in strict Catholic upbringing...so parental guidance is advised. Read at your own risque!
One day this teacher was teaching about the fine points of human reproductive system, this was his best part of the whole book, and so was ours! We answere all the tough questions well. He was happy with our diligence and effort, so, as was his custom, he said he would reward us with a 'real man's joke.' As you can imagaine, we were thrilled...what more does a adolescent want, right?
The story, according to our esteemed guru:
There was this guy being interviewed for a financial manager in an elite fashion fashion house. The interview had gone on for 25 minutes, and he had screwed most of the questions, and he knew it. At the end, the boss lady quizzed him, "Tell me, what does a woman want?"
The guy weighed his options for a second, and said "She needs a bull's penetration, a monkey's passion, and a dog's duration."
There was this silly laughter in our class room after the teacher gave the punch line. Afterwards, he asked us if the guy got the job or not. To this day, I haven't been able to figure that out. Where would you put your money on this riddle?
Asthu, sunne lai sunko mala, bhanne lai fulko mala, yo katha baikuntha jala, bhanne bela khuru khuru khuru aula.
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| yogi |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 04:50 PM
suva chintakji'
How about volcanic ejaculation along with bull 's penetration and dog's duration and of course parrot's repeatition . May be he will add that in his next interrview.
yogi
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| (*)Y(*) |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 05:12 PM
Okay, now you guys really made me wonder how long a dog's duration is...
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| Rastafariya |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 05:27 PM
Biraders! Now what? You peopal them start a thread askin where them womans go? Now you peopal them expect I to give you them my address and everythin? I is can not do that biraders!
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| ashu |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 06:07 PM
>>>>Few years ago Padma Kanya Campus ko dhal(safety Tank )safa garne bela ..almost dui kilo bhenta (egg plant /brinjal) kahan baata ayo ta .college ma gayera bhenta ko tarkari ta kasaile pakaudainan kyara .:D <<<
This is interesting for two reasons.
First, bhantas, the ones normally used for tarkari, are biodegradable. One would think that the all such bhantas would have disintegrated beyond recognition in the septic tank.
Second, which cleaner on earth would have the patience to weigh the bhantas found in a septic tank, and gravely intone, "Ah, two kilos altogether"!
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| ashu |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 06:19 PM
Simplegal,
You may be interested to know that Nepali writers and artists have taken up this theme in their work.
Sita Pandey's collection of essays in Nepali titled "Sex and Feelings" talks about female desire and aspects of female sexuality. Her tone is that of curiosity and frankness, and the book has enjoyed both critical and popular success in Nepal. Likewise, some of Prema Shah's stories and poems are also full of intensely sexual longings.
On the art front, Ragini Upadhayay (less) and Ashmina Ranjit (more) are two nationally acclaimed artists whose works are embued with various aspects of female sexuality. Ashmina's work is especially startling: bold, sensitive and unsettling. Ashmina, by the way, will be in the US next year -- most likely in the Boston-New York area -- for her graduate studies.
It's too bad that our film-makers have not really tackled this subject with sensitivity.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| phateko_kattu |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 06:42 PM
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This is interesting for two reasons.
First, bhantas, the ones normally used for tarkari, are biodegradable. One would think that the all such bhantas would have disintegrated beyond recognition in the septic tank.
Second, which cleaner on earth would have the patience to weigh the bhantas found in a septic tank, and gravely intone, "Ah, two kilos altogether"!
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Tehi ta bhanya ashu ji ,
maile pani nepal ko "Dhristi " patrika ma padheko .biswas lageko thiyena .tyo dhal daily safa garne bhaye ta disintegrate nahuna parne .tyo chahi aba tehi patrakaar lai thaha hola ...pattauna garho parcha hernus ashu ji tara Bag bazzar wori pari ko tarkari pasal haru ma bhenta ko khapat raat yek guna din dui guna hune gari bikri bhayeko ....ra pasale haru sanga ko interview sahit "dhristi" patrika ma padhda ho ki ho ki jasto lagdaina ta ?
ani ashu ji tyo bhenta thyakkai 2 kilo bhayeko jaankaari pani tehi patrika le diyeko thiyo .kinaki bhenta ramrai sthiti ma paiyyeko le tyo cheap cleaner le teslai RE-SALE gari diyeko re .Re-Sale pani aru nabhayera STX ko vegetable contractor lai garidiyecha mora le .tyeti khera hazoor pani school mai hunuhunthyo hola :D.Ashu ji kasto "Lobhi -Paapi " hagi tyo mora ?
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| noname |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 07:02 PM
If we accept the data provided by PK (Not padma kanya but Phateko_kattu) and arguent forwarded by Ashu, the resultant argument will be interesting for two reasons.
First, if the Bhantas are biodegradable than the consumption rate is significantly high for they were only 2-3 days old.
Second, those cleaners were in fact Tarakari Byaparis. (It's disgusting to accept they resold it the other day..so safely let's assume they used their experience to estimate the weight!)
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| lonely |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 07:10 PM
fateko_kattu,
That was really funny. But I don't think that the story was true. Dristi etc... type of patrika ma lekhya kura sabai ka ture hunhha ra hain ta hajur??
BTW, teh gilrs /wives could go where they could satisfy their desires haina ta??? Natra, what is the best alternative....maybe yestai ma hola most joru ka gulams come into existence....
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| ashu |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 07:58 PM
>>>Second, those cleaners were in fact Tarakari Byaparis. (It's disgusting to accept they resold it the other day..so safely let's assume they used their experience to estimate the weight!) <<<<<
As someone closely working with Nepali private-sector, allow me to assure you all that either of the jobs -- vegetable-selling or cleaning the septic tanks -- is so busily lucrative in Kathmandu beyond anyone's imagination that it's unlikely that tarkari byaparis needed to double up as septic tank cleaners and vice versa.
That said, the juiciest, the most glisteningly luscious bhantas (the ones that burst with flavors in your mouth when you eat them up as "po.lay.ko bhanta ko achaar") in Kathmandu come from Birgunj and Hetauda, though nearby ko Tistung-Palung areas
are catching up too.
If Padma Kanya ladies and others are really into bhantas, the most under-estimated of all tarkari, then, I seriously recommend Hetauda ko bhantas for their meaty girth, succulence, natural purplish shine and farm-fresh flavors . . . for TARKARI or ACHAR,
of course.
oohi
"happy to be promoting Nepali vegetables"
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| ruck |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 08:04 PM
ashu ji aba tarkari kheti tira??? kahile bata ho???
hehehe kidding
:)
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 08:11 PM
Is this same Sita Pande from Jhapa? Her essays must be beautifully carved...
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| SimpleGal |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 02:22 AM
Ashuji,
Thanks for your recommendations. Will certainly read the works when I get a chance.
Suva Chintakjyu,
Your point of putting the horse before the cart is well taken. Thank you!
More later.
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| SimpleGal |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 02:48 AM
I just wanted to correct an error. It wasn't Edith Wharton's work but that of Kate Chopin that I was referring to earlier. I now recall the name of her work on various aspects of female sexuality-- The Awakening.
In peace.
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| vivid |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 02:56 AM
Ashu ji,
Don't ask me for facts and figures hai, am just sharing this on a hear say basis, :)
Actually, that book when it was out in the market was a hot cake and most of the readers were males. It may be because they wanted to understand more about their better halves through their( wives) own visions and satisfy them more, NO?
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| vivid |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 02:58 AM
The quote went to the black hole, so here is the quote before the above posting:
Sita Pandey's collection of essays in Nepali titled "Sex and Feelings" talks about female desire and aspects of female sexuality. Her tone is that of curiosity and frankness, and the book has enjoyed both critical and popular success in Nepal.
Yo signs haru use garnu najannu pani garhai kuro raicha, :(
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| Boke |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 04:49 AM
While we are on the subject,
- Are there Nepali books (or even Porn) that talk about sex explicitly?
- I read somewhere that some Nepali novels are rather erotic, but I have not found one yet? Any suggestions?
- Why Bhanta? Does Bhanta really approximate male genitalia? Bhanta, if I recall, have regular dimensions of about 5 inches in diameter and rather round in shape. Banana, on other hand, might be more appropriate.
Just wondering....
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 05:31 AM
Where does a woman go?????
She goes to hell ofcourse... for sexpressing her sexuality!!!
S.Gal , interesting question here. :)
"The guy weighed his options for a second, and said "She needs a bull's penetration, a monkey's passion, and a dog's duration."
There was this silly laughter in our class room after the teacher gave the punch line. Afterwards, he asked us if the guy got the job or not. To this day, I haven't been able to figure that out. Where would you put your money on this riddle? ".... Suva Chintak
Any man who asks this riddle should first figure out where he would fall....ofcourse being HONEST with himself would help !!!!! Would checking the Chinese Horoscope calendar suffice... I wonder!!!
Hmmmmmmmmmm.... Where would you fall Suva ji???
;))
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| SimpleGal |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 05:43 AM
I finished reading this book I had heard a great deal about, but hadn't had a chance to go over -- Lady Chatterley's Lover, by DH Lawrence.
I've noticed that a lot of comments about cultural constraints have emerged in our discussion about female sexuality. I have commented on some of them myself. And I do believe that there are certain Particulars that dictate what is permissible and what is forbidden in A society. At the same time, however, we must not ignore the Universals that guide the practices and more importantly, the "desires" that the line from the movie highlighted. In the DH Lawrence novel that I just finished, he explicitly details some of the *fundamental* desires that women experience, although of course, in the case of the novel, she experiences them outside the parameters of marriage. Social constraints in Nepal would condemn such a recourse, and even in the west, considered to be "liberal" and "open" from an oriental viewpoint, the novel met with outrage and censor. The explicit sexual language in the novel for its time is cited as one of the major criteria for its unpopularity. However, there was one paragraph at the outset of the novel that caught my attention, and which encapsulates the very essence of female subjugation that I wanted to emphasize -- the suppression of her voice. Here is the paragraph:
" Free! That was the great word. Out in the open world, out in the forests of the morning, with lusty and splendid-throated young fellows, free to do as they liked, and---above all---to say what they liked. It was the talk that mattered supremely: the impassioned interchange of talk. Love was only a minor accompaniment."
This sense of freedom accorded by the "interchange of talk" is the first step toward an expression of what Suva Chintak jyu graciously brought to the table: the horse before the cart = what women want before they determine where to get it from. And this is again tied with the *sexual innocence and passivity* that has been historically ascribed to and expected of women.
more later....
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 05:45 AM
hey how about spanning the whole Chinese zodiac signs? It would be unfair to allot a Man's sexuality to just three beasts:
Add to Suvaji's list:
The Frequency of a RABBIT
The Heat of the DRAGON
The Early morning *crowing* of a ROOSTER
The Dirty talk of a PIG
The Length of a SNAKE
The Ferocious passion of a TIGER
The Horns of a GOAT
The Macho-ness of a STALLION (horse)
The Timidness of a RAT (he prowls in persistance at night!)
IN JEST!!!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 05:49 AM
S.Gal... Funny you should mention --Lady Chatterly's Lover; I was thinking about the same.
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| phateko_kattu |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 06:10 AM
Chyaaa !! Chyaaaa !!
Some people are running thier imaginations too wild in here .Boke ko kurai chadam .Banana bhenta jasto chillo huncha ta ?? HAAAAAAAAAk thuikkka tapaiko Suddhi ......
ashu ji is aready salesman for hetauda ko bhanta .
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ani sitara ji
Rabbit' frequency ,dragons heat ,ani sabai bhanda khatara .....Snake's length ??Is that what you have in your mind ? Mukh baata nikaalne bichar cha kikya ho maiyya ko ??"Ghaanti Herera Haad Nilne " prayash garnus Sitara ji .Natra raataa raat Bir Hospital puraunu paryo bhane tyo night duty ma bhayeko doctor ko shatu putlo udla ni .
When you talk THE TALK ........be prepared to walk THE WALK ;)
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| yogi |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 06:12 AM
Sitaraji,
Nice update in suvaji's list . if I someone has all that quality as you described, he willl be the porn star of 21st century.
Then the answer of the question " where woman goes would be obvious".
This reminds me of a x-rated joke. Hope you do not mind.
The riddle is ," who is the most famous person in the nudist colony?"
The answer is the guy who can carry a cup of oj in one hand and a cup coffee in another hand and still can carry a dozen donuts.
Where do you think women in this nudist colony will go for breakfast ?
yogi
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| KaleKrishna |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 06:35 AM
It reminds me of a joke:
Sorry for not mentioning the exact refference, coz I don know either:
A doctor happen to perform postmortem of an accident case. He was amazed by the majastic size and unique features of the deceased's "male pride". As a token of love for his wife, he carefully insises the trophy and rips it out of the carcass. Here he hops home and asks his wife to guess what he had brought as a surprise for her.
In utter passion and urgency she makes some expected guesses but all in vain. Unable to withstand her eggerness to view the surprise, she proposes and agrees to close her eyes while her hubby would display it. Promptly agreeing to his wife's proposal he does the same. Imazine what were the exclamatory word that came out of her awed mouth""""
Huh!!, so Kale is dead.
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 07:28 AM
Oye Phateko Kattuji:
BEFORE you send me to the hospital:
You miss much, which I find alarming!!! But given that, there is easy transitioning between levels of abstraction IFF the level of comprehension matches the flexibity in the transitionings, I suppose it is understandable.
Here is a hint:
That, was a rhetorical list IN CONTEXT with Suva ji's joke!
Now, the question remains, can anybodys sexuality be generalized with characteristics of animals and vegetables?????
:)
Yogi Ji:
Whew!!!!! thanks for Catching the gist of my posting. And NO!!! a woman would NOT go to a porn star...I hope!
And I rest my case!
:)
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 08:11 AM
Sitarajyu wrote:
"Any man who asks this riddle should first figure out where he would fall....ofcourse being HONEST with himself would help !!!!! Would checking the Chinese Horoscope calendar suffice... I wonder!!!
Hmmmmmmmmmm.... Where would you fall Suva ji??? "
Aee rattai, yo Sitara jyu sanga kura garna kasle sakla!? In some earlier threads I had compared her to the Shree Sheshnaag, I wasn't off the markm, me thinks! Yo peadagogy padheko manche ta sanchi khattara hune raicha ganthe.
Therefore, we decree that henceforth Sitara be known as Khattara!
If I had figured this riddle by now, why on earth would I burden the great minds of Sajha on this question? Maybe our collective wisdom can finally put to rest whether that guy got the job or not.
SimpleGal jyu, thank you for appreciating my humble inputs on this important debate. Emboldened by some of the responses here, I now attmept to hypothesize 'Where does a woman go', since we have already settled, thanks to my Phy Ed Guru, the question of what a women wants (it is another matter some women also want to add the dragon, tiger, snake, rabbit and the rest of the animal kingdom in the list! Vicious species, these women, no? See how they choose only the most vicious of the beasts, they are fully carniverous, no mercy! There is no satisfying them...I hear you brothers).
Anyway, to proceed from my Guru's propposition, a woman who has the bull, money and the dog at home will not go anywhere.
A woman who has the bull and money needs to only go look for a dog.
A woman who only has the bull will have to find a money besides a dog.
A woman who has neither the bull, money, or a dog has a lot of running around to do, she may as well join the marathon club.
InJest, of course!
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 08:17 AM
Aaah, the damn typos!
Please read 'monkey' in place of 'money'! (Editor. Anyway, where is that ESPL language guy who was supposed to edit our language on this site!)
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| Robert Frost |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 08:26 AM
On more of a western note:
I work in a c-store 10 miles east of Sugar Daddy's. Since its the only 24/7 store, it is not surprising that the ladies stop by for donuts. First when I started the job, it was absolutely astonishing to see those stunning ladies after 3. Not knowing what the hell was going on, I stood their and admired the beauties, that made even the worst of night, a pleasant morning to follow
But then later on when I saw those dollar bills flowing off, then I got the point. They were exotic dancers. I am sure it was a harsh reality to some of them, an enjoyed experience for some of them and for some, they had their kids to feed.
Specially one lady, got my eye. She wore glasses, her figure was pefect, she was beautiful and the last thing I could expect was her being an exotic dancer. I wanted to talk to her, but every night I failed. But one night, I did talk to her. I asked her where she worked? She replied, "Dont ask me as if you don't know?" Was she mad, I couldn't figure out. But then I asked her, "it's a good pay, isn't it?". She replied it was and that it was the best for her little boy. He was 3 years old now. She was dumped. She worked hard all day to feed her boy but since she couldn't, the only option she could think was to be a dancer.
Well, it was very sad to hear that, and I felt sorry for her and the boy. But then I told her that there was nothing to be ashamed of. Even the best of the mother would have done that for their kid. Every night I see her face, she reminds of the cruelty with which a mother figure is treated in our society. When she is the one, who does everything possible to keep her kids alive. Everything....
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| khimu |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 09:46 AM
Where does woamn go? re!
jaha maan lagchha tyehi janchhan
gaule women wants to go to city (sahar) and city women wants to go to forign county (bidesh)
aba arkako maan ko kura kalai thaha hunchha ra bhannya tara pani 2days world ma 24 hour work nai garne work nagare khana napa-ene teskaran kaam garnai paryo after work if they got lil more time they probably will go to hang out with their BF or club slub with friends haina ta bhannya
cool,kool
Yeah! baby wanna ruck with you, unless you want to
otherwise i am kool guy
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 11:08 AM
KaleKrishna jyu,
My hats off to you sir, on your most generous endowment! If I may ask, was it self-made or came to you by way of ancestral inheritance? If indeed the former, a few tips for the masses might raise the gross nepali happiness index by a few notches!!
Yogigyu,
Twelve donuts?! Thundering typhoons !!!, as my favourite comic character Capt. Haddock would say. I can hardly hang one on my tongue. There is certianly no end to the ways in which the human species will adapt their tongues for the most bizzare functions! As the French are wont to say, 'A tongue is a terrible thing to waste.'
InJest
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| Arnico |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 11:15 AM
just read through the thread. Thanks for starting the topic, SimpleGal.
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| john doe |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 11:24 AM
suva Chintak, u sure sound like a cunning linguist, if u know what i mean. ;)
And I dont think the Yogi's nudist was hanging 12 donuts on his tongue, or was that just a clever twist u wanted to add to the story?
In any case, your humor is refreshing, to say the least!
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 11:39 AM
john doe jyu,
I am most obliged by your compliments, sir! I am glad you find some humor in my ramblings, which I engage in occasionally to keep my mind off the monotony of rolling my Indi mastah's tadoori dough. But you too are to be complimented on your fine sense of wit sir, the tongue vs the 'other' as the donut hanger!!
And I too have enjoyed your fine postings on this site...one of the more discerning posters, if I may be allowed to say so.
A fine day to you sir!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 11:48 AM
"Suva Chintak, u sure sound like a cunning linguist, if u know what i mean. ;) "....John Doe
He he! Hai hai! kya maaarra!
Suva ji The Cunning Linguist!!! We decree that henceforth Suva ji be named as The Cunning Linguist!
;)
Indeed, I find both Suva ji and John Doe's humour very refreshing!
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| czar |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 11:53 AM
Cunning Linguist ? One heck of Tongue Twister, that !
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| czar |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 11:55 AM
Twelve donuts, and a bag of nuts !
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| czar |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 11:56 AM
Hmm, nuts ? Monkey business, eh ?
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 12:09 PM
Sitarajyu (or do I have the permission to say Khattara jyu?),
Talking of humor and banter (linguistic or otherwise), how about coming up to Boston for Next week's MAHA jodi show here? And a host of top Nepali singers will also be in tow: Kunti Moktan, Ram Krishna Dhakal, and Nabin Bhattrai. It should be a fun show, do show up, and the show will be on me!
This is the only way to silence those who say jesters like us only talk the talk, never walk the walk!
This taam
InEarnest
ma'am!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 12:26 PM
Suva ji:
How kind of you! Dare I, do I dare WALK the plank? I fear, being hung, quartered and drawn... by my tongue, if not yours!!!! I fear being shot on the spot for being *khattara Khattara* (toxic waste) of the republic of Sajha! ;)
On a serious note:
Sounds like a lot of fun and especially if the show is on you.... I could just sit back and watch... you I mean. ;)))
Unfortunately, I am moving basaain... and packing and moving may be the only action I may be seeing for a while! :(
Thank you, though! Well, next time you are in DC... the walk will be on me and the talk on you!! :)
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 12:29 PM
CZAR.... back to you "The Nutcracker"!!! This time NOT in morse code! ;)
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| OU812 |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 12:40 PM
At the outset, apologies for not reading the entire thread save but first. I just couldn't resist putting forth a view I held so dear. Here it goes..
Women's sexuality? Yuks!!!!!!
Liberation of women, intellectually (done) & sexually(?) = Downfall of Male species.
Therefore Brothers, you and I will be dead as dodos.
QED
OM
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| shirish |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 12:41 PM
Ha Ha funny!!
Do Women have To go anywhere?
The answer is straight NO.
Why?
Because the whole world will come to them as they wish, that too, in very negligible time.
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| OU812 |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 12:42 PM
Come hither you seusy thyng....
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| (*)Y(*) |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 12:44 PM
Shirish, I wish you had posted the answer earlier..
What a waste of webspace! :)
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 01:13 PM
Rejections,
are hard on a man anyday,
but on a Friday afternoon,
they are simply murder!
The solace?
I head to Charlie's,
right around the corner.
Nursing the hurt,
brooding over the brew,
drown out the
dejections.
InPathos
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 01:24 PM
Counter-rejections:
Drink not oh dear linguist,
Drown NOT your sorrows,
Pathos, just a whim,
Sorrows know how to swim.
Here is a 'kerchief,
wear it, a standard or a banner,
A sniffle, a sob, a guzzle and a glob,
in a Quixote manner!!!
In EMpathos
Lady Sitara-on-the-move!!!
;)
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 01:27 PM
in a Quixote-hic manner!!!*
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| xserver |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 01:36 PM
guys forget about all these nonsense talk about right now like art,woman, music etc
do u know moist are underground plus they clashed between govt party and five parties supports .. start to have civil war and bloodshed... let talks about how to survive, get through from all these problems... as u know we already in troubles in USA raising cost of tuition fees, lack of job markets, hard to find part time jobs, strict Immigrtation policy..for australi, canada,newzeland for about going as student too expensive for PR u need to have atleast 2, 3 years of experience to get green card so not easy for NEPAL and nepali..
what we gonna do????
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 02:03 PM
Aaah, there is some hope for the spurned!
The frustratingly unattainable Khattarajyu is not totally merciless, thank you for the jali rurmal! Even if I should perish of pining for thee, my tears and sorrows will at least be in the safekeep of your kusume rumal!! This striken soul will be grateful for any crumbs from thy rich table, oh merciful lady!
So there is some respite for the weary. On this happy note, off I head for the weekend, and hope everybody in Sajhapur has a satisfying and restful days ahead.
See you all on Monday, rain or shine!!
SC, the occasional Quixotic proposeler
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| makuro |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 05:24 PM
Yes this is very interestin thread. would be very nice to read people's view and experience on this matter. Why not let's discuss where do we go? We coming from nepali culture always have that ambivalence whether to do or not to do; where to go or where not to go. In my case, if not by society or other people, I constantly judge myself. I understand just like hunger, sex is natural - nothing wrong with it. But at the same time, I am buckled our upbringing which tries to foster chastity and sex only to procreate not to recreate.
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| knt |
Posted
on 26-Jul-03 04:39 AM
Hmm Czar, how about Colonel Angus?
Now, going back to the original question that Tabu poses in the movie-- with all due respect lest I am being offensive-- I find it preposterous and not very applicable(now look, I haven't watched the movie, so I cannot really contextualize it, so sorry if I am not on target) to modern times. Prostitution is euphemistically called house of ill repute for a reason, because individuals who visit brothels are immoral, hence frowned upon by the society. So, typically speaking men are in the same position as women. Those who are economically in higher standing can easily have access to pleasure toys and other ways to vent out their libido. Speaking of women from affluent background, the term "alpha" comes to mind, since they can hitch with and ditch anyone they desire as money talks, and so does power. That explains a lot as to why women who occupy the elite pie of society are lecherous and indulge in acts many find both puerile and preternatural. Evolutionarily speaking, this is a good example of the phrase coined by Darwin, "survival of the fittest". As for women from not-so-affluent background, well, to be curt, they have nowhere to go.
But look, male prostitutes are called Gigolos. These are mostly gay men parading around to please male homosexuals, but there are some who are there to please women.
Also, let me mention that in today's society we have what we call PORN. Too bad most women aren't into it, because polls show that 90%+ consumers of Porn are actually men. I guess it's also true that Porn is targeted towards male consumers judging from camera angles preferred by Porn directors. Don't know if women aren't into it, or the Porn Industry is not doing enough to cater to the needs of women.
Women have desires, but it would be a ludicrous assertion to make, in my humble opinion, that their sexual desires are tantamount to that of men. What do all humans want? Inherently speaking, it is to pass their genes to their posterity, so that they can keep their genes alive. From this position, what's the best step for women to take? Fact of the matter is, when compared to sperm cells, ova are very limited, not to mention that as years elapse, women will have even fewer eggs remaining. in today's American society(might be applicable to Nepal's elites), the age that people get married at is higher, somewhere in the mid-30's. This would put even more pressure in women to pop out a baby. So, what would the archetypal woman do in such situation? They are of course going to find the most perfect mate, who can produce babes for them. In other words, what I am saying is that from a biological standpoint, women are MORE selective than men, and men are MORE promiscous.
A point to ponder regarding what I just said: If a man, has intercourse with 100 men, he might impregnate all of them, but when a woman does the same, she might get impregnated only once.
Anyone disagree?
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| knt |
Posted
on 26-Jul-03 08:43 AM
"Prostitution is euphemistically called house of ill repute for a reason"
Not prostitution, brothel. I just typed it at the spur of the moment, so ignore my grammatical errors please.
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| KaleKrishna |
Posted
on 26-Jul-03 08:53 PM
A point to ponder regarding what I just said: If a man, has intercourse with 100 men, he might impregnate all of them, but when a woman does the same, she might get impregnated only once.
Kntji, is the male impregnating male a typos error or some deep sense that this dude could not pick up.
Yes, agreeing with most of your views, it is now becoming even more clear that natures evolutionary power is centered around reproduction.
Old age when reproduction purpose is almost negligable also cbecomes the time when one feels discarded by natures force of survival, and the complications of diseases and delay or decreased self heling becomes evident.
It seems evolution have greatly diminished sexual vigor and charm attached in it keeping pace with changing conditions of both natural and anthropological intervention. The perfect example is the craze for viagra and the ever increasing number of similar drugs.
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| knt |
Posted
on 26-Jul-03 09:27 PM
Yeah, should have been "women".
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| lonely |
Posted
on 26-Jul-03 10:14 PM
knt...reading that men with 100 men..i was like what the hell..thanks for making it clear..
but the big question still is, where does a woman go or where should she go??? I really cannot think what I would do/ask/recommond to do....I real tough question....
But to me, same question also applies for men as well.....those who don't think about prostitutes( I believe not everyone will go to a prostitution, do they?)....any idea??
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| KaleKrishna |
Posted
on 26-Jul-03 10:40 PM
Fantacy and masturbation are easy options Lonelyji. Hoever, most sex desires don,t last that long as brain which controls (most part of it) is preoccupied with other things. It has to be considered that in animal kingdom females are only receptive during particular season, however humans and higher primates exibit 7/24 receptivity. The fact is that hormonal level (which is major player) does not say so, then where does the extra length of receptivity and attraction comes from?
It comes from the pressure to socialize and the desire to draw attention and achieve satisfaction (which may not necessarily be sexual). It may not surprise many when I say more than 90% women on most ocassion fake orgasm or atleast go beyond their own desire to satisfy the partner.
Hence, it is not surprising again sex has taken back seat in modern life of busy women for self pleasure atleast.
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 26-Jul-03 10:49 PM
Oh God Devi!
Help us to understand women's behavior.....Most of the respondents to the original questions are from male. Isn't it like "BLIND MAN DESCRIBING HOW ELEPHANT LOOK LIKE"? The honest answer has to come from females. For it, they dont have to experience but what they have heard from others or have read........lau yo mero deemag le thammyauna nasakeko kura paryo...
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| Rastafariya |
Posted
on 27-Jul-03 01:03 PM
Now Peopal! Looks like you is not have answer yet. Where does woman go? I is sorry. Just to make you know where woman go I is not willing to make my address Public. I is very sorry. But you is know where them ladies go now. So please dont go lookin for them deeper answer no more. I is not want you peopal standing in front of my door.
Thank YOu
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| Biggy Small |
Posted
on 27-Jul-03 07:08 PM
I guess all the males will have to guess on it coz the women in our society aren't going to come out and speak openly of it. When women in our society don't even participate in a discussion form, how can they ever go and satisfy their desires in the manner men have done it for thousand of years. Hats off to Simple Girl who had the courage to bring up such a thread in a forum, which has, in past gotten nasty by personal attacks and comments. I think women who do read this should take the opportunities to discuss these issues so that our society can be more pleasant for women. They can initially start with forums which they can call "the ladies room" which deals with various issues that women face in our society and how they can overcome it. Its time for males to know you better so that they understand and treat you better.
Notorious BIG
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| lonely |
Posted
on 27-Jul-03 09:27 PM
KaleKrishna ji..thanks for the info.....how about same/similar options for women??
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| (*)Y(*) |
Posted
on 27-Jul-03 10:15 PM
Rasta, you just cracked me up bro..
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| KaleKrishna |
Posted
on 27-Jul-03 11:07 PM
lonley, it have wider application and both sexes can benefit from self exploration.
Yes, biggy small isn,t it a pity that those elite female genders of Sajha comunity prefer to be silent reader. Even though some may consider this discussion to be little embarassing, but unless the shyness and modesty is discarded for right cause the slogan of equal rights remain hollow. They have to participate to pour their views, and let them led from the front
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 27-Jul-03 11:58 PM
mind buggling topic but irrelevant in nepaliese social-cultural context...i am surprised if many gals didn't answer to it...there must be plenty of literature about it
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 05:15 AM
Give me an *open-minded*, taboo-less, unstereotyping, Nepalese society (cyber or otherwise), and I'll give you women who can talk freely about sex and sexuality without fearing vicious, personal attacks! And KaleKrishna ji, indeed it is a pity!!!
Until then, our well wishing male friends will just have to resort to literature on women and their sexuality if not, ask their significant other (gf, spouse, wife) in the privacy of their bedroom. See, if she can give you an honest answer!!!!!
Even in the privacy of the bedroom, there sometimes is a trust issue involved of being "labelled" or not. Perhaps a better way to go about answering this *mind -boggling* issue is to go about INDUCTIVE reasoning and NOT deductive reasoning.
Here is a suggestion: Why don't all you interested males ask your significant other and post their answers. I would love to read their personal views.
Perhaps, Kalekrishna ji would like to start???
Rastafariya ji: That was really funny! :)
Khoi ta...what happened to the Nepali Sahitya?
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| KaleKrishna |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 05:31 AM
Sorry, Sitaraji, I will do that once I get some one to ask. I appreciate your boldness but don,t you think in this disguise identity there will be few points from the concerned side that may shut some irrelevant mouths.
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 05:48 AM
Here is a well-intended question:
How many of you (males) are able/encouraged to talk about women's sexuality with your sisters, cousins (female), aunts, mother, if not g.f. wife, spouse....???
Do you discuss the subject?
If yes... What is their reaction/answer?
If no... Why NOT?
Let us start with this policy "Charity begins at home... and so does honesty!"
Kalekrishna ji: What is a 'disguise identity'... when there is a profile being made (on most Sajha females) with the most meticulous tenacity; information that may be exploited for attacks? Before you dismiss the "silence" of the "elite females", consider pls the reasons for the silence.
But, it surely has been an interesting reading your(generic) views and speculations.
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 08:25 AM
Good morning Sajhapur!
After a restful and fun-filled weekend, ready to take on the world one more time. With the arrival of Rastafaria, this is going to be all the more lighter and easier!
For a while I was not sure if this was the original Rasta...he seemed to have left his 'I and I' accent. Rastafaria must have shifted from Kingston to Boston since his last exile from Sajhapur...hence the slightly new accent?
But the wit remains the same...very subtle and unassuming, but hilarious as hell. Sample his modest contribution on where women's goings and comings:
"Just to make you know where woman go I is not willing to make my address Public. I is very sorry. But you is know where them ladies go now. So please dont go lookin for them deeper answer no more. I is not want you peopal standing in front of my door." - Rastafaria
So spread da luv!
SC, glad Rasta is back from exile...
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| bhunte |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 09:07 AM
I can easily see the honest reply by Sitara to the question in the original thread. Balla khayeu keta ho...bahut bujruk bhayera hatti kasto hunchha bhanera chham chham chhum gardai adkal baj gardai thiyeu...ehehehe
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| bhunte |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 09:28 AM
correction:
please read my earlier post".....i am surprised if many gals didn't answer to it..."
as
i am NOT surprised if many gals didn't answer to it...
sorry, if any bombardment is due to that error--my poor angreji..
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 10:40 AM
Suva ji:
You certainly sound refreshed if not fresh! :P
I am glad Rastafari is back too! He surely is the one and the same person... I had the pleasure of talking with him one "chatting- mood" day. Apparently, Rastafari's speciality lies in Nepali Sahitya and I have been begging him to write something on it.....still waiting!!!
:)
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| Suna |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 11:04 AM
Rasta..
Women knockin @ your door? hehehe...very very soon...
Good to see you back!
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 11:53 AM
Sitarajyu jaddu!!
With you around, I will soon freshen up too! But I got a gripe to air here: how come you have time to 'chat' and 'meet' all the other Sajhapures except poor me? How can our 'fair lady' engage in such reekless acts of favoritism and neopotism? Give a man a fair chance will you!?
On a serious note, yes, the weekend was good. As I wrote in my last posting, I did go to Charlie's to drown out the rejection. After the fourth peg, Angie, the red-headed bartender, asked me what was wrong. I told her you rejected. She told me to grow up and take it like a man. I protested and said this was a special one. "Very good then, ask her out next week," She advised me, adding "I myself never go out the first time they ask me."
So, probably not everything is lost for me. Sure, the U-Haul guy is a leg up on me for next week, but we will see about the rest. After hearing the Irish lass with the sing-song accent, I am no quitter now. So all we need now is to persevere until the initial resistance collapses under the sheer weight of Irish stubborness and Gorkhali persistence. We will simply not take no for an anser...we are unilaterally unanimous in that!
In the meantime, let us hope that the U-Haul fellow just your stuff, and not you this week!
Yes, I agree Sitarajyu, Rasta brings a different kind of wit to bear on Sajha.
Despite the jokes, good luck with packing and moving, it can be quite a pain in the neck if you have to do it. Let me know if you require some Bostonian expertise on moving matters.
SC, the Sitarafan, always
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 01:54 PM
Suva ji:
Re-arrange "Sitarafan" and you will get a "Ras(i)tafan"!!!
My, my, am I flattered... you seem to have drowned your sorrows well! So, is that where men go-- to the Irish lass? :P Or should I say "Bostonian Brahmins"!!!
As for the "chatting".... not a favoristism hajur... I rarely frequent the chatroom; however, I went there in search of our very own Arnico when I caught sight of Rastaman and enjoyed a chitchat with him albeit, very brief.
Well, well, how can I remedy the misunderstanding... hajur? Should I send you an apology letter in Poison scented lavender stationary hajur? This means you will have to divulge your name and address !!! :P
Bring it on..... impress me with your diligence and tenacity!!!!! ;)
In jest!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 02:01 PM
Wanted to thank you for your moral and suva chintak support in my move! Every bit of good energy counts! :)
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 02:03 PM
Bhunte ji... what bombardment? :)
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 02:45 PM
Sitara ji,
Having said 'bombardment' means if anyone felt the tremors of word bombs after the error....in jest hai
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 05:53 PM
Sitarajyu,
Es nachij ko marne ke liya aap ke un bade bade aankhese ek tir hi bahut kafie hai..ek hi jhatke se ye ardh ghyal purna mrit ho jayega. Poison wali letter fetter ka jhanjat me mat pado ji: lifafa, estimp, aur masi ka fazul kharcha. Kehain ye Ashcroft wala aapko bio terrorism me na pakad le...es desh me to letter bom chalta hain na! Kahin aisa ho gaya to hame us lok me bhi shanti nahin melege.
But if you still want to do it through the letter (But if the last wishes of the condemned are to be respected, I would still prefere to be shot by those laser nayans), ye rahi hamari patta:
Suva Chintak 'Tandooriwala'
C/O Karnail Singh Ludhiyanvi
Dhaba Staf Hotel
Sommerville
1789 Mass. Ave., MA 02139.
PS: The Irish, fine souls that they are, have not made it to the Boston's Brahminhood yet. You still got to be able to trace your roots to the Mayflower and the Pilgrims.
By the way, how about coming upto Bean Town to tender that apology? That would sure dispel all 'miss-understandings'! I am sure there is much to be said for the spur of the moment Sitara spontaneity!!
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| Rastafariya |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 06:54 PM
Hey them suna! what you is saying? I is not unnerstanin? You is wants I to tell all them peopal that you is not a woman? I is never lie. I is may be not say everythings but I is never lie. It is them women knockin . Them difference is most of them women not know how to knock them soft like you is knock.Sometimes them women even wakes up Rastaas neighbors. But I is consolasion me knowing that all peopal is not creat equal. But next time you is knock at my door little loud ok?
Thanks Suna You is them good peopal. You is just needs to learn to knock so them it is not only you who is hears your knock.
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 06:56 PM
Suva Chintak 'Tandooriwala'
C/O Karnail Singh Ludhiyanvi
Dhaba Staf Hotel
Sommerville
1789 Mass. Ave., MA 02139.
Dear Suva Chintak 'Tandooriwala'
Aab mai kya kahoon sirf, SAARI SAR!!!! (Blue color if you please, electric blue, with matching bindi!!!)
SAARI for the misunderstanding. Oh Mr. Understanding, I am standing under water, almost below C level. I am afraid I may have Failed to convey my apology... desperately looking for your drowned sorrows!!! You sure you drowned them good? Either they seem to have floated away or you have paid Miss Lassi real good to do away with them. Not a sign of a drowned tear!!!! Or were you celibating the Wake??
So much for your tragedy of my rejection!!! Haven't you watched Devdas??? Khoob lagate ho Hindi; hamara ko kitna saasti ho gaya! One Saari also for my tute phute hindi!!! This time pink if you please; Barbie pink!!!
Yes, Suva ji... Thank you for your invite' to Bean town; I will surely make it there one day to taste that delicious " chara ko shikaar". Meantime, I am trying to get away from Bush town further into the Free State! Heard Mr. Bush has vowed not leave any child behind while shocking and awing their teachers into the undercovers; especially, if they have been labelled WMD!!!
As for the POISON; Sniff here-----------------------> ((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))))))..... Made in France, with ingredients of a drop of hemlock, two drops of nightshade, a petal of belladonna, a slice of the bark of yew, brewed in the cauldron of Getafix; aged to a fumous perrrrrfection and guaranteed to give you A Socratic Philosophical high!!! What does not kill you will only make you stronger!!!
Alright, my Super- tandoori- man, I will end my Saari letter with a "kadke najar" and a "killer smile"!!!
Reply with soon or chaandi Wokey???????? ;)
Yours Sincerely,
A very apologetic Sitara-on- the- move!!!
Note:
for those color blind: Lavender colored letter
for those Oil-factory challenged: Fragrance of POISON
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 07:21 PM
Aaaaaaaah,
I survived the poison and the najars, but the smile really did me in...I fall mortally wounded onto the couch, not knowing whether I will rise next morning. Maybe a quick cpr/crp (I am losing it, ain't I?) would revive me. Sitarajyu, how about a quick rescue..Do I see my Princess Charming galloping for Bean Town in her shining armour!!
Goodnight,
SC, just thanking his stars!
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| (*)Y(*) |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 07:30 PM
Rasta birader,
I is no dem gay, but I is very interested in seeing your dem picture!
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| Rastafariya |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 07:45 PM
Birader with them name that look like body part. I is wants to put my pikchar in them Sajha. I is not know how them to put them picture of I. I is actually them hansome pepal. Lots of them ladies say I is very very hansome peopal in dim light. Lots of them ladies fall in love with I. But them love I only until dawn. Because them it srtart gettin light them ladies no more love I. That why them ladies call I dimlight hansome. Them places like bar and pool hall is where I is mostly appreciated.
I is took my picchar in them studio and them give I cd and them photos. I is look so hansome in the picchar that I is have them picchar of I in every room.But now I is have a problem and my friens suggest I to go see them doctor.
I is not even can send them picchar from diks to email . I is not know why. Them computar says picchar too big. I is know that I is 6 4 and hansome but I is seen them picchar of them basketball peopal in email. How come I is too big for computar? I is needs some helep!
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| (*)Y(*) |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 07:52 PM
Birader, you is dem lucky dem ladies lop you some time of dem day. I is not getting love any time of dem day or night.
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 08:06 PM
Rastafari....
Your humor kills!!!!! hehehe! :)
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| Rastafariya |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 09:18 PM
Sitara I is non violence peopal. I is not even kill them fly. I is just a simpal peopal tryin to unnerstan them big big things from them intelligence peopal of them Sajha kurakani.I is sorry that I is not have them many words to explain them complicasion things of life. I is always difficulty to explaining with only about 27 words that I is know. But I is always try best.
As for you birader with them name that look like nice nice body part. Why is you sayin I is lucky? I is never lucky. If you wants to get lucky like I is get lucky them it is not very difficulty. First them your problem is why them you have name that look like them sweet sweet things? It is never work if you is have them name like that. Because them Laides no like talk about them body parts. Them there is two type of them ladies. first type them ladies likes hansome peopal who them talks nice nice romance romance talks. Second type of them ladies likes them not very hansom but them who have them moneys to buy them nice nice shoes and them take them to them resturant where them leave 12 dolla tips. If you is not fall in them category then all I is can say to you is Birader I is very sorry for you. Because I is also not fall in them category too.
But I is patience peopal. I is believe in them saying 'Khuda deta hai to Chappar faad ke deta hai.'
But birader! dont them rely too much on my suggesion. Because I is still waitin for Him Khuda . But my granmoda says " Aba Chappar faad ke ta taalai Khuda le Bazra(lightnin) le maatra haancha" So I is gets scared because them old peopal know lot of them things about life. Anyways I is always here to answer all them quesions for you birader nice nice body part.
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| (*)Y(*) |
Posted
on 28-Jul-03 09:40 PM
I is such a "Dumbass", I is not realize my name is looks like dem nice nice body part until you is tells me.
So birader, I is no like to change my dem name coz u is say it is dem sweet sweet and I is not like to leave 12 dollars tips, so you is mean I is have no luck? nada?
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 29-Jul-03 07:06 AM
"............I fall mortally wounded onto the couch, not knowing whether I will rise next morning. Maybe a quick cpr/crp (I am losing it, ain't I?) would revive me. Sitarajyu, how about a quick rescue............... " Suva Chintak
Ofcourse, I was there for the "quick rescue" with the emergency squad!!! You gave me your work address.....kyaaaaaaaaaa!!! Only your Indi Master was there.... the firemen hosed him and his grill down before he could yell "tandoori Chintak, dhokebaaj"!!!
Well, I hope you are recovering from my "killer smile"!!! Here is another one: :)
Oye Rastafariji:
I is never lie. You kill me if not maim me with your humour!!!
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| Rastafariya |
Posted
on 29-Jul-03 07:42 AM
Birader! Lovely name.
Yes! I is suggest you one thing. You them start learn fishin. Them is better opsion for you. I is hope you not mind I telling truth. With all due respect to all friends here I is never mean to put down any body. The reason you learn fishin is you is beyond Salvage birader in them field of Ladies.
Besides, Them there is only two things in the world that smell like Fish. and one of them happens to be the Fish.
So Birader nice name. You is do your own Calculasion and figure out what them you wants to do.
Sitara! Yes you is bettar off gettin them CRP from Suva birader than someone like I. I is promise Iself that I is never do no CRP to anyone in my life again. Once I is give CPR to one lady. That nice lady regain and open her eye. Her look around and see I smiling. Her ask her friends what happen? Her friens explain. Now her get angry at all them peopal and say "of all you peopal why this guy have to give I the CPR?"
Her buy a whole carton of Listerine.
But if you is likes them Peopal who is them good in them Indian Restaurant. I is have enougf experience too.
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| NK |
Posted
on 29-Jul-03 07:46 AM
Hahaha!
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| Suna |
Posted
on 29-Jul-03 07:53 AM
Rasta
"knock knock knock"
K bhanney aba...photo hererai syalyakkai bhaisakeyko lai..dherai LOUD KNOCK chaindaina rey kya :). Plus I reserve my aggresive knocks are for those "blind" ones :)
Rasta you is not one of them blinds! Plus you is always using your liver..so you fast get what I wants to say..
yo nani ko sirai ma indra kamal phul phulyo...
maga maga chalyo basana...
:)
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| najar |
Posted
on 29-Jul-03 08:01 AM
I and I peapal also wants to see dem rastafariyas peak chur. Ees not ferr suna got to see dem hyansum raasta yaan not i ppl :(
Rasta firen kyan you dem ppl pos yor beautiphoool phoooto on this dem thired? iff you rasta peopal need help ask dem san king, the dem bad despot myaan? :)
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| Echoes |
Posted
on 29-Jul-03 08:02 AM
Rasta,
Maybe we should try the "millionnaire" idea here ;)... it might work here better as it seems you are already getting a wider reception. Plus, I hear the ladies are much nicer in Kurakani than in the chatroom...So what do you think, Birader?
Keeping my fingers (and toes) crossed for you...
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| Rastafariya |
Posted
on 29-Jul-03 09:41 AM
Birader echoes I is have so much respect for you for all them your help to I. Yes them ladies here in Kurakani nice nice ladies. Her Suna is beautiful lady. If you is sees her you is wants to keep lookin and lookin at her pictchar all them time.
About them millionaire idea I is not quite sure! My granmoda told I that one lie lead to anothar lie. I is actually never lie to anybody . I is have never lie and will never lie. But I is learnin from him Bill Clington. That how I is can never lie
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| najar |
Posted
on 29-Jul-03 09:47 AM
Rasta firen--what hyaapen to i ppl's reques to see your pik chur? kyaan you puleez pos it here?
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| marich |
Posted
on 29-Jul-03 09:55 AM
Hijo rati testo Dhokai phutalla jasto garera knock knock kasle garya raicha bhanya ahile balla kura bujhe..
uthhinai kheri tha pa bhe ta nadaraikana majale dhoka kholne thiye ni ..kya :(
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| marich |
Posted
on 29-Jul-03 09:59 AM
MOMO khana aaunchu bhanne harule naramro Ryaaaaaaaak ...Garya jasto cha..Thence the invention of LOUD knock knock..Bhettaye naramro sanga dhobi pachar ..pani pacharthyo hola..hehe..hehe..hehe
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 29-Jul-03 10:13 AM
"Sitara! Yes you is bettar off gettin them CRP from Suva birader than someone like I. I is promise Iself that I is never do no CRP to anyone in my life again. ......." Rastafariya
Hyaaaaaaaaa!!! Suva ji is immobile, motionless so plzzz mention not!!!.... Let me die in peace!
hehe!
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 29-Jul-03 10:46 AM
You are right, I laid all immobile an motionless until your flutter here on Sajha has revived me again. No way we are going to let Sitara die, in peace or otherwise! So here is my CPR to you, coming post-haste, by way of 'Bijuliko tar tar ma.'
Please acknowledge receipt asap!
SC, the occasional pyro-medic
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 29-Jul-03 03:50 PM
*Warning ******** blink* blink* blink*
Any pyro-medic or pyro-maniac is advised to standby with a fire truck when entering the firewall of the ICU in the CPU!!!!
In jest!
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 29-Jul-03 04:01 PM
g: Knock Knock....
b: Who's out there?
g: It's meeeee....
b: feri ko?
g. meeeennnnnnnaaaaaaaaa.....
b: me very much puzzled .........oh la me bhage tappppppppppp...
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| SimpleGal |
Posted
on 30-Jul-03 03:13 AM
Sitara dijju wrote:
"give me an *open-minded*, taboo-less, unstereotyping, Nepalese society (cyber or otherwise), and I'll give you women who can talk freely about sex and sexuality without fearing vicious, personal attacks!"
i couldn't agree more! also, bhunte dai has repeatedly inquired about any literature available in this area. i haven't yet read works in nepal, but bhunte dai, perhaps you can read some of the works that ashuji suggested. in the meantime, there is plenty of literature on issues of female sexuality, both in fiction and non-fiction. i would highly recommend Lady Chatterley's Lover for those who are inclined to fiction. writers such as Susan Bordo, Simone de Bevoir, Gloria Steinem, and a host of others present quite a detailed discussion and description of issues of female sexuality. but the idea of "where does a woman go?" has not been addressed, precisely because of the taboo surrounding female expression and craving for any sexual desires. at the same time, and paradoxically, philosophers such as Plato, Kant, Descartes etc have ascribed physicality and the desire for physical fulfillment as fundamentally female!! what irony---what sheer irony!! and the emotional tendencies have been claimed to be exclusively feminine, while the ideals of Rationalism is considered as masculine. we can also critique this and question whether this dichotomy between Rationality (as a faculty of the mind) as male and Emotionality (as a function of the body/physical) as female orientations to knowledge construction and consequently to life holds true in every culture. i bring this up because many comments have emerged regarding the relevance of exploring (i'm getting ahead of myself--before *exploration* there needs to be *acknowledgement* of women having sexual desires, which is the first base!!!) female sexuality in Nepal. yes, i agree that ours is a very narrowminded society (as Sitara dijju brilliantly points out) regardless of how modern we claim ourselves to be. but my question is: How long can we harp on our narrowminded society as the fetters that hold us back from exploring and understanding issues that are *essentially human*??? i am well aware of the idealistic and the naive nature of my question. nevertheless, we need to be able to ask a question. we may not find the answers easily, but when the question has leapt from the confines of a culture, it is bound to lead to the possibility of answers. how else would Newton have found the laws of gravity, and Galileo, though persecuted for challenging the norms, paved the way to modern science!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 30-Jul-03 05:12 AM
S. Gal, I am flattered that you have quoted me at the top and with the same breath asked .....
"How long can we harp on our narrowminded society as the fetters that hold us back from exploring and understanding issues that are *essentially human*??? i am well aware of the idealistic and the naive nature of my question. nevertheless, we need to be able to ask a question. we may not find the answers easily, but when the question has leapt from the confines of a culture, it is bound to lead to the possibility of answers. how else would Newton have found the laws of gravity, and Galileo, though persecuted for challenging the norms, paved the way to modern science!" ...S. Gal
... I am also relieved to see that you are aware of the "idealistic" and "naive" nature of your question. However, since you have put out an educated/ rationalist basis for your question "leading to the possibility of answers" and perhaps, trail-blazing the way despite persecution, like Galileo and Newton (as you put it), I am curious as to whether you realize there are no parallels between Astronomy and/or Sex and Sexuality. The "objective" and dispassionate way with which one can discuss Astronomy is NOTapplicable to a discussion on sex. Questions like yours hold better in a survey instrument where the participants feel a degree of trust to break their silence. I am sure you are well aware of that too.
The nature of your question falls into the same category of:
Does incest exist in our society?
How many women have been victims of incest? Who commits the act the most?
Do husbands rape their wives when she is "not in the mood"?
Questions of this nature (sex and sexuality) shake the very fabric of a home, a family, a marriage (affecting individual lives).....certainly a very far cry from theories of "Time and Relativity"!
However, feel free to contradict me. And if, here I quote you..... "how else would Newton have found the laws of gravity, and Galileo, though persecuted for challenging the norms, paved the way to modern science!", still applies to your question here and now (in this forum in Sajha), let me throw your question back at you. I am very interested in reading your PERSONAL views:
1. Where does a woman go?
2. Where do you think a woman goes?
3.Where do you think a woman ought to go?..... to express her sexuality!
Note, here I am using the singular form in a generic man-woman term.
S.Gal, you must have noticed the hesitation in the females participating in this thread; Yep, I would be naive to expect a "groundbreaking" answer to your question...however, rational or educated it might be. BUT, I'm certain that the males as well as females participating in this thread would love read your views/opinions on your own question.
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 30-Jul-03 09:52 AM
sgal,
thx for ur suggestion. i will read Sita dijju's book when i m in nepal.
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| makuro |
Posted
on 30-Jul-03 04:07 PM
You don't have to devulge your identity to write if you really want others to know what you wanted them to know. I know it is not wise to express without taking into the consideration that your writing could be used to judge and generalize you. Worst many innuendos could be hurled. But if one wants to impart their experiece knowledge etc my suggestion is register her with different nick name.
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| maaya |
Posted
on 12-Aug-03 09:22 PM
Thought I should make this thread going!
Coming from an average Nepali family background, I don't even think that women feel the urge to go somewhere. They never think about it, and hence no need to. All a woman can think of is to make her husband happy and then make his family happy. Just think about it. If a husband goes out and sleeps with another woman, the wife will still stick to him because getting a divorce is looked bad upon for a woman. She will blame herself for not giving enough to her man that he had to go somewhere else. But do you think an average Nepali husband realizes what his wife needs and wants? I don't think he even cares. She's there to have babies and take care of them. That's pretty much what most of the nepali wives lives are like. And of course there are exceptions!
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| terimabajiya |
Posted
on 12-Aug-03 10:15 PM
the source of all this- nepal ma arranged marriage (aba kahile na dekheko sanga pani kasori life beetcha?)... ani US ma kaagaz ko lagi marriage. ke garne chodyo bhane GreenCard paudaina, sangai basyo bhane lifenai raag huncha.
i've got three words for girls to can't MOVE ON- "GET A LIFE". samaaj ko mukh cha bhandai garcha.
terima kahile kahi ta chandrama ma gayera basau jasto lagcha. "thiiiis life dikkai lagi sakyo"...
hey, guys and dallies, don't forget to listen to hangu's and samagu's "aha kya chillo" ... remix of smooth.
aaba chahi ati nai bhayo... sutna gaye... goodnite.
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