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| yogi |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 07:21 AM
Hello Everyone!!
This one thing is bohering me a lot. I can not totally comprehend gay and lesbian relationship. I know some guys have some female hormones and some girls have some male hormones more than others. That is why they behave like a opposite sex but does that really make them gays and lesbians?
Is this homosexuality has something to do with genetic disorder ? or sexual exploration. I know this is a very sensitive issue in America and I can not be very critical about it but I want to know what you people think?
yogi
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| bhenda2 |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 07:52 AM
khoi I am not an expert on this issure tara I have a male cousin who always behaved like a female...even when he was four years old he preferred to dress up like a girl..pretended to be a girl...I noticed even when they played ghar ghar...he was the mom or buhari...or a bride..I really dont know how he is doing these days but when I was back home I heard that he was not allowed to be a girl anymore...I really feel bad for him..In Nepal we dont try to understand people like him..we just yell at them.
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| yogi |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 08:14 AM
Bhenda2ji:
Thx for your opinion. Let's hear from some other friends. Khoi keho keho/ Ma ta kuira ko kaag justo vayeko chu you topics ma. Launa bros ans sis............ Jayosh
Yogi
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| yogi |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 08:15 AM
Bhenda2ji:
Thx for your opinion. Let's hear from some other friends. Khoi keho keho? Ma ta kuira ko kaag justo vayeko chu yoo topics ma. Launa bros ans sis............ Jayosh !! kehi ganthan ra manthan........... samundra manthan pachi kehi jad tatwa niskelani ho?
Yogi
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| Echoes |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 09:50 AM
Well, my view is that one's sexual orientation is her/his private matter and s/he should not be quetioned why s/he prefers to keep that orientation. I think it is just like asking why one doesn't like karela-ko-achar while many others do.
A matter of one's own taste, it should be.
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| GurL_Interrupted |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 10:48 AM
Hi Yogi,
You asked, "Is this homosexuality has something to do with genetic disorder ?" At this point in time, I do not think it is a genetic disorder. And saying, it is a genetic disorder might be rude as well. Personally, I think it is a matter of one's personal choices, where one decides to be with someone, one is more attracted to and can connect better with. And when a person is homosexual, he/she is more attracted to the person of her own sex! Everything is same between homo & straights...the only difference between them is in their taste & preferences as stated by Echoes before.
Genes/hormoens might be one of the many factors that might be playing a role in their preferences (I am not sure, I need to read more researched articles) but calling it as a genetic disorder doesn't sound right!
I do not think sexual exploration is the main cause for homosexuality! It might be a part of the whole picture, which you can find in a hetero-relationship also. Just like a straight person has feelings for an opposite sex, homo-sexuals have for the same sex! Like I said earlier, that is the only difference!
After saying all this, I might not be presenting the right picture of homosexuality becoz, I really do not know what it feels to be one or how it is or why it is...? Who can explain it betterr than someone, who's been there and who knows what it means to be one! I hope, you will meet someone who has been there to explain all ur curious questions someday!
Take care!
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| yogi |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 01:25 PM
Hi Girl_Interrupted and Echoes:
I still do not still think somebody is born gay or lesbian. People are free to explore anythink they want to realize their fantacies. Some like S&M, some like kinky, some like cross- dressing, some like swinging, and still some other like dominitrix. I am not saying it's not a personal preference. People can prefer anything their heart desires.
Homosexuality is not a mainstream human behavior. All I was asking was what factors if any genetically, socially, or Psychologically play to make someone to choose gay or lesbian sexual orientation. If you know then please share your thoughts if not please stop acting like a die-hard gay and lesbian advocate and stop criticizing . Don't come out storngly and say I am rude coz I am not.
I am not asking this question to Gays And Lesbian Association of America. I am asking this question to fellow Nepalese. So please don't act like American. You know what you can't be.
aba ta ali charko nai hola just cha!! Let's see what comes next.
Take care!!!!!
yogi
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| Echoes |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 01:42 PM
Yogi-jyu,
I am interested to know how you would answer the question I mentioned earlier.
Why do you think some people like karela-ko-achar and some don't?
Sorry to be persistent, but I think the answer lies right there (if there is really a valid answer at all).
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| GurL_INterrupted |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 01:46 PM
Hi Yogi,
I wasn't trying to criticize u or anything. I am sorry if it sounded rude. I had no intentions what so everr! But reading on ur post 'bout Being gay and lesbo considered as a genetic disorder didn't sounded right to me, so I posted what was on my mind. Be it in Nepal or AMerica or in any part of the world, I still do not think of it as a genetic disorder...U can beat me up for that :=D!, hate me or call me a wierdo, I will still not think of it as a genetic disorder! (PERIDO :=S!)
Sowwie, I Know u had mentioned not to post if one was not contributing the causes of homosexuality...But I Just wanted to apologize to u and make my point!
Different individuals different perspectives mate!
Take care!
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| GurL_INterrupted |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 01:58 PM
What's up with my typo today? Damn! *Grrrrrrrr!* It was suppose to be (PERIOD)! *Sigh!*
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| yogi |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 04:19 PM
Girl_ Interrupted jyu,
Yes , we all should agree to disagree respectfully. I am also sorry for coming out so strongly. I liked your last post though. Thank you.
Now I have to answer Echoesjyu.
"Why some people like Karela ko achar and some people don't"?
Let's create a demand function for Karela.
Demand = f( price of Karela, income of people, price of substitues which is let's suppose barela, price of compliments which in potatoes, population, taste, etc)
This is a mathematical demand function of Karela.
if price of Karela increses , it's demand goes down,
if income of the people increases, demand for karela will go up,
if price of potatoes goes up, demand for karela will also go up
if price of barela increases, demand for karela will go down
if there is population growth , demand for karela will go up
if people like karela( taste factor), demand for karela will go up.
What you are saying Echoesjyu is homosexuality = F( personal prefeence) only.
First of all homosexuality is not a commodity. Let's say for a moment it is. then Demand for homosexuality can not be a function of just one factor, personal preference. It is a utter violation of law of demand.
So, it is not that simple.
I tried to answer your question and I don't know whether you are convinced or not but I appreciate your question though.
Thank You and take care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:)
yogi
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| GurL_Interrupted |
Posted
on 24-Jul-03 05:08 PM
Hey,
It's ok. Don't worry mate! U're fine!
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| Neural |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 03:35 AM
yogi jyu,
I am not sure of the followings, which u've mentioned above:
"if price of potatoes goes up, demand for karela will also go up"
"if price of barela increases, demand for karela will go down "
As u gave the example of complements and substitute goods as,
"karela and barela are substitute goods, where as karela and potatoes are complements".
According to CONDITION OF DEMAND :
i) Changing price of a substitute :
With substitute goods, buyers select one OR the other, but not both. AN increase in the price of a substitute good leads to an increase in demand.
Hence, E.g., "if the price of barela increases, demand of karela increases."
ii) Changing price of a complement:
With complement goods, buyers select both goods. As such, an increase in the price of a complement good leads to a decrease in demand.
Hence, "if price of Potatoes goes up, demand for karela will go down"
AND,
Demand = f( price of Karela, income of people, price of substitues which is let's suppose barela, price of compliments which in potatoes, population, taste, etc)
In another way,
D = f (P_k, I, P_b,P_ p) with other things remaining constant.
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| yogi |
Posted
on 25-Jul-03 05:58 AM
Yes Neuraljyu;
My got mixed up with compliments and substitutes and thank you for the correction but
point over here the point over here is to construct a demand function for homosexuality .
Any thoughts?
yogi
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| Echoes |
Posted
on 26-Jul-03 10:26 AM
Yogi-jyu,
You must be an economist but I do not think the law of supply and demand can be applied to very intrinsic human preference and behaviors, such as a person's sexual urge or a fondness for karela ko achar.
Yes, I think homosexuality is a matter of intrinsic human preference, and if one could quantify it mathematically, I would probably agree with the function you have proposed. However, the "preference" variable you have used, isn't all that variable when it comes to things that motivate one not due to extrinsic factors like the supply.
For example, if I like karela ko achar, I will like it no matter how expensive karela might be in the market. Whether I will be able to afford and consume it? That's a different question. But the likeness wont vary... I just like it, and you cannot say that I should not like it because there is a short (or abundant) supply of karelas.
So, I am willing to accept your derivation of: homosexuality = F( personal prefeence), but I must warn you that "personal preference" itself is a function of some other [non]variables. So I guess I would be interested to see how you would solve this:
homosexuality = F(personal preference = F(?))
Respectfully Yours,
Echoes.
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| Echoes |
Posted
on 29-Jul-03 05:08 PM
Gay-Themed TV Gains a Wider Audience
(The New York Times)
July 29, 2003
By BERNARD WEINRAUB and JIM RUTENBERG
A growing prime-time roster of gay-themed programming on television reflects a significant shift in attitudes. Full article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/29/business/media/29GAYS.html?ex=1060507056&ei=1&en=9a61a792d4b71712
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