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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 01-Jul-01 02:47 AM
Namaste and Nin hao,
This is taken from yesterday's Kyodo Times. Biswoji (plus everyone reading this) what's your take on this? But, before making any comments, please read and re-read the last line carefully.
Trailokya
China to let private entrepreneurs into Communist Party
BEIJING, July 1, Kyodo - Chinese Communist Party chief Jiang Zemin said Sunday the party will lift its membership ban against entrepreneurs from private companies.
Speaking at a gathering marking the 80th anniversary of the founding of the party at the Great Hall of the People, Jiang said the party must absorb elements that meet conditions for membership and are in agreement with its platform and rules, according to China Central TV.
He said the party's character as the vanguard of the working class is its most basic component.
Jiang, however, said entrepreneurs from private firms, self-employed people and managers from foreign firms are also ''builders of socialism with Chinese characteristics.''
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 01-Jul-01 03:18 AM
In the most recent issue of Foreign Affairs, there is an article
about changing face of CCP by two MIT PhD candidates of political
sciences. The article is really good, and analyzes a lot about the
the US-China relation, new generation of cadets and possible
change scenario. The news, in that context, is just a continuity
of the information given there [to me], Trailokyaji.
Now, the reality of China is a middle class reality. People like
to be 'rich' , want to say that they are 'rich', and the political
comissioners in China are all rich. I used to know a guy in
Shanghai, he actually had a friend of mine in KTM as trading
partner, who was a son of member of people's Congress (roughly
equivalent to our MP of pratinidhisabhaa). By inducting
businessmen in the party, the CCP is merely trying to be
protecting the interest of its own superior members. This is also
probably a veiled attempt to facilitate such businessmen relatives
entry into political bodies of CCP.
As for 'socialism of Chinese characteristics', This is only
slogan. Who cares about socialism there? The last vestiges of
socialism (economic pov) were removed with the removal of danwei
system(well,powerful danwei system). The only system in effect
now is Communist party in power that doesn't appreciate open
organized dissent.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 01-Jul-01 01:38 PM
The article I was talking about is:
"China's coming transformation"
By:George Gilboy and Eric Heginbotham
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 02-Jul-01 11:00 PM
>
>Now, the reality of China is a middle class
>reality. People like
>to be 'rich' , want to say that they are '
>rich', and the political
>comissioners in China are all rich.
Biswo XianSheng,
Sorry, I couldn't reply to you earlier as I was busy making my tragvel arrangements.
I agree. "Being rich is glorious", Deng xiaoping said after visiting the Special Economic Zones (SEZs). This by a CCP leader was a shock to many Maoist-hardiners but the CCP nonetheless carried on with the economic reforms and look at China now, its one of the economic giants.
I also agree with the middle class reality. Since, the economic reforms gave way to ge te hu (private businesses), people are rich, or are in the process of getting rich. However, I did not know that almost everyone in the Party and the bureaucracy is rich.
>As for 'socialism of Chinese characteristics'
>, This is only
>slogan. Who cares about socialism there? The
>last vestiges of
>socialism (economic pov) were removed with
>the removal of danwei
>system(well,powerful danwei system).
Well, I don't agree. China still has some degree of state socialism. And Danwei isn't totally removed. Danwei still exists in many SOEs (State Owned Enterprises). I think many people in China are happy with the present system. Under the danwei system they were tied to their jobs, they couldn't change it nor could show their disatisfaction. The new system has given them options, and they are now free to take higher paying jobs with private businesses. Only the segment of the population who does not have any skill and/or people who are too used to reap the benifits of danwei are complaining about the new system because they know that if they are removed from their present jobs, they won't get hired anywhere else.
The
>only system in effect
>now is Communist party in power that doesn't
>appreciate open
>organized dissent.
Biswoji, I think the CCP has every reason to be wary of organized dissent, everything that has happened in China in the last 2000 years is due to the organized dissent--The emergence of the ming dynasty, the Taipings, The Boxers, Tiananmen and now Falun Gong. If you are talking about the Falun Gong here, then I think the CCP had no options other than to ban that "cult". Although the Falun gong people say they are "peaceful" and what not, but in reality, I think they are like the Taiping rebels. And Chinese leaders had no other options left than to ban the Gong.
Trailokya
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 02:13 AM
Dear Trailokyaji:
First of all, best wishes for your upcoming visit to China. I'm
sure you will enjoy your stay there.
>However, I did not know that almost everyone in the Party and >the bureaucracy is rich.
I'm sorry about this statement.The better form should have
been: most of the comissioners are rich now. There are still
a lot of honest Chinese who are not so rich, but 'most' of
the Chinese cadres are,definitely,rich.
Also, I consider Falun Gong as a cult, in spite of its large
following, and the contrary assertion given in the recent
issue of Time/Asia. It is obvious that the govt is wary of
public demonstration. Bloodshed is not the way Chinese govt
copes with such demonstration recently, but the govt is careful
enough to contain it as soon as possible.
In an unrelated issue: a new data from Chinese government source
says:"trade volume between China and Nepal is not big, with US$ 204 million in 2000, of which export from China to Nepal was US$ 197 million and import from Nepal to was US$ 7.14 million. " It is worrisome.It is in deed lopsided.It is increasingly unclear
how we are going to prevent further trade balance in favor of
PRC,especially in view of recent turmoil in both tourism and
production sectors of Nepal.
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 02:32 AM
>Dear Trailokyaji:
>
>First of all, best wishes for your upcoming
>visit to China. I'm
>sure you will enjoy your stay there.
Thank you very much.
>
>I'm sorry about this statement.The better
>form should have
>been: most of the comissioners are rich now.
>There are still
>a lot of honest Chinese who are not so rich,
>but 'most' of
>the Chinese cadres are,definitely,rich.
>
>Also, I consider Falun Gong as a cult, in
>spite of its large
>following, and the contrary assertion given
>in the recent
>issue of Time/Asia. It is obvious that the
>govt is wary of
>public demonstration. Bloodshed is not the
>way Chinese govt
>copes with such demonstration recently, but
>the govt is careful
>enough to contain it as soon as possible.
I think the western press always tries to portray the CCP as a horrible entity, this is why the FG issue is seen in Time, Newsweek and The Washington Post. I personally think that the CCP is more wary of the power of sponteneous civil societies such as the Gong, than of any bloodshed. If there are more than million people who are raedy to burn themselves if their leader tells them to do so, then that 1 million people can do anything to overthrow the CCP, can't they? Plus, a softer approach in dealing with the gong could have encouaraged otehrs to form such "cults"/gangs and create turmoil.
>
>In an unrelated issue: a new data from
>Chinese government source
>says:"trade volume between China and Nepal
>is not big, with US$ 204 million in 2000, of
>which export from China to Nepal was US$ 197
>million and import from Nepal to was US$ 7.14
> million. " It is worrisome.It is in deed
>lopsided.It is increasingly unclear
>how we are going to prevent further trade
>balance in favor of
>PRC,especially in view of recent turmoil in
>both tourism and
>production sectors of Nepal.
Biswoji, this is sad, but, what's that we can export to China? I don't see anything that we can export to China, not even wai-wai chau chau.
Trailokya
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 02:49 AM
Surprisingly(Well, not surprisingly), Wai Wai Chauchau and Shanti
Banaspati Ghyoo are our major export to China..
We used to joke that Yarchagumba and tiger could be our major
project were they not banned .
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 02:58 AM
>Surprisingly(Well, not surprisingly), Wai
>Wai Chauchau and Shanti
>Banaspati Ghyoo are our major export to
>China..
Really? I didn't see any Nepali wai wai in Shanghai or elsewhere? But, if it is our biggets export then I think the chaudhari group needs to come up with a good marketing strategy.
>We used to joke that Yarchagumba and tiger
>could be our major
>project were they not banned .
hahahhaah, I think they still are.
But, here's what i don't understand? Why don't our government or some private companies come up with an idea of a huge yarchagumba farm and export it to China and the countries in South East Asia. That way we will be earning money plus helping preserve this plant on the verge on extinction.
Trailokya
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 03:10 AM
>Surprisingly(Well, not surprisingly), Wai
>Wai Chauchau and Shanti
>Banaspati Ghyoo are our major export to
>China..
>Really? I didn't see any Nepali wai wai in Shanghai or
>elsewhere? But, if it is our biggets export then I think the
>chaudhari group needs to come up with a good marketing strategy.
Oh, no. Not in Shanghai. Waiwai is famous in Tibet. Most of the
local shops I went to had Waiwai in their stock. Also, in Lhasa,
I remembered seeing the photos of our king and queen in a lot
of shops. Later, people told me they were Nepali shopkeepers.
It is very tough to sell chauchau in Shanghai. One, Waiwai is not
our indigenous brand. So, probably the Thailand people would try
themselves. Second, Tongyi (President) group (Taiwan) had
invested more than 1 billion dollar for noodles production in
mainland. The special waiwai taste (chilly and spicy) could be
found in some Korean noodles sold in Shanghai also. Waiwai is
doing fine in northern India, anyway (I've heard).
>We used to joke that Yarchagumba and tiger
>could be our major
>project were they not banned .
>hahahhaah, I think they still are.
>But, here's what i don't understand? Why don't our government or
>some private companies come up with an idea of a huge
>yarchagumba farm and export it to China and the countries in
>South East Asia. That way we will be earning money plus helping
>preserve this plant on the verge on extinction.
>Trailokya
Oh, the govt rescinded the ban order on Yarchagumba. But it is still 'unpractical' to legally collect Yarchagumba because the
tax is supposed to be 'prohibitive'. I don't know if the tax is
prohibitive, or our people just don't want to pay any 'tax'. You
know,a lot of Nepalese people have that attitude..
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 03:21 AM
Dear Trailokya:
I got a few more relevant data in Aug 11,2000, Spotlight. Hope
it will help a little.
Tatopani Costum Office Revenue Collection
1. 1999\2000 - 1.28 billion ruppes
2. 1998\99 - 594.6 million ruppes
3. 1997\98 - 206.7 millon ruppes
Export Items To Tibet
Rice, lintel, noodles, egg, chicken, flour, incense sticks and herbal products
Import Items From Tibet
Velvet clothes, readymade garment, TV, VCD, electronic goods, toys, batteries, shoes, watches and Pashmina fibre
[ps: among export items to Tibet, incense sticks can be bought
in Shanghai, Nanjing and Beijing also. Sadly, they are mainly
made in India. Since they are routed via Nepal, they are considered Nepali export!]
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| Trailokya |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 03:24 AM
>Oh, the govt rescinded the ban order on
>Yarchagumba. But it is still 'unpractical'
>to legally collect Yarchagumba because the
>tax is supposed to be 'prohibitive'. I don't
>know if the tax is
>prohibitive, or our people just don't want
>to pay any 'tax'. You
>know,a lot of Nepalese people have that
>attitude..
I think its the latter and peoplen are right. Why pay tax when that money goes to make chataut and koirala rich? If i were in nepal , I wouldn't pay tax unless the water runs down my tap 24 hrs a day and there is uninturrupted power supply.
Trailokya
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| Trai |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 03:31 AM
>
>Tatopani Costum Office Revenue Collection
>
>1. 1999\2000 - 1.28 billion ruppes
>2. 1998\99 - 594.6 million ruppes
>3. 1997\98 - 206.7 millon ruppes
Interesting, so we are exporting more these days. There seems to be around 50% increase in export, which is a good sign.
>
>Import Items From Tibet
>
>Velvet clothes, readymade garment, TV, VCD,
>electronic goods, toys, batteries, shoes,
>watches and Pashmina fibre
How could they have missed "bheda-chyangra" under "import items from tibet"
Trailokya
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| trailokya |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 03:33 AM
>
>
>How could they have missed "bheda-chyangra"
>under "import items from tibet"
>
>Trailokya
Please read it as, how could they miss..........
trailokya
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 03:54 AM
>
>Tatopani Costum Office Revenue Collection
>
>1. 1999\2000 - 1.28 billion ruppes
>2. 1998\99 - 594.6 million ruppes
>3. 1997\98 - 206.7 millon ruppes
>Interesting, so we are exporting more these days. There seems to >be around 50% increase in export, which is a good sign.
>
Export is surely increasing, but this data indicates increased
imports, since this is Nepali data.
>How could they have missed "bheda-chyangra"
>under "import items from tibet"
>
>Trailokya
>Please read it as, how could they miss..........
>trailokya
We can't help it, Trailokyaji, since it is too late in the night..
Take it easy,man.
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| news |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 05:05 PM
Read the interview with Ram Sharan Mahat on the latest issue of Nepali Times about the Nepali economy. Quite interesting.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 06:18 PM
I already read that one. Good thing is macroeconomic index are
still ok, bad thing is: well,everything is bad.
I think given a good environment, probably Mahat is the right
person for finance ministry. I just hope the reckless spender
like Bharat Mohan Adhikari will never get into the ministry again.
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