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| ashu | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 05:49 PM
Underselling the MBAs By Ashutosh Tiwari About a month ago, I received a copy of the booklet containing resumes of graduating Masters of Business Administration (MBA) students or the 11th Batch -- of the Kathmandu University School of Management (KUSOM). Such resumes are usually the first point of contact between job seekers and job providers, with the seekers usually presenting themselves in the strongest possible light to make enough of a good impression to secure an interview or two. Anyway, I flipped through the booklet, and saw that a part of the introduction said, [w]e believe that our students will do well as managers for companies like yours which value professionalism in management. But after poring over the contents of 26 resumes on offer, I started to wonder whether anyone would seriously want to hire these MBAs on the basis how they came across in the booklet. The resumes were, to put it charitably, awfully long on irrelevant details and inexplicably short on information that those making the hiring decisions really want to know. If this is how these guys sell their own skills to the job market, I asked myself, how good can they really be when it comes to selling goods and services to customers? Irrelevantly highlighted info: More than half the information on all the resumes is about where the MBAs live, when they were born, what their contact addresses are, and other such details. Yes, these are necessary pieces of information, but these could easily be tucked into a small section. The fact that such information take up an inordinate amount of space signals that perhaps the students do not have skills to offer, which, as KUSOM knows, is far from true. Besides, hardly any employer makes hiring decisions based on where people live and what their phone numbers are. Vague information: Vague information takes the shine off most resumes. One students typical summer project was Loyalty Programmes at Hyatt Regency . As an employer, you want to know whether the student helped raise the number of loyal customers at Hyatt, and if so, by how many. You also want to know whether he used new ways to attract business, and get a sense of other quantitative and qualitative measures to help you to gauge the kind of skills the student possesses. Alas! The student, like all his classmates, merely put the title of his summer job and other such project works, thereby underselling his hard-earned business skills. Why would anyone invest time and money to earn an MBA degree only to end up to do a shoddy job at marketing himself? In the West, business schools have woken up to the fact that the most valuable skill they can impart to their freshly-minted MBAs is a skill to find jobs throughout their lives. An MBA in and of itself is not a guarantee for a lifetime employment. The nature of job market is changing rapidly everywhere, and with that, frequent job-hopping has become a common practice, even among Kathmandus upwardly mobile professionals. That is why, regardless of how job markets change in Nepal, the only thing thats going to be constant is how strongly and clearly one can present himself to the changing situation to find new and better jobs. In this context, KUSOM might as well admit that 30 or 40 years down the road, the most important skill its graduates will have will not be related to the principles of marketing, finance or human resource management (all of which will change with the times), but how quickly and readily its graduates can adapt to the changing times. When and if KUSOM takes such a long view, it should start offering intensive resume workshops to its students so that they can better sell their skills to the market throughout their lives and not only for the first job after graduation. [641 words.] |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 06:17 PM
It sounds like job market for KUSOM MBAs pretty much saturated... btw, how is the prospect for USA trained MBAs in Nepal? In USA people often get some kind of employment eventhough one may have to pause briefly... |
| ashu | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 06:53 PM
I think there are good opportunities for US-trained MBAs in Nepal. Depends on how you push yourself. Both World Bank and Asian Development Bank have launched massive 'financial sector reform' measures. And they need talented people with background in economics, finance and so forth. In fact, both ADB and WB hired a bunch of MBAs and others from the private-sector recently. Also, private-sector groups such as Khetan Group and Soaltee Group have recently been aggressively recruiting and hiring top talents, paying them well, and are trying to make themselves younger, more agile and less bureaucratic than they were in the past. That's a good sign. Soaltee Group especially is a conglomerate to watch. That said, the single biggest and newest employer of MBAs in Nepal has been DC-headquartered PSI, an agency that runs social marketing campaigns related to AIDS awareness and other such matters. PSI is on a hiring binge, and I would expect it to hire 40 more people in the next two months. PSI, though a non-profit, is run like a commercial firm, and pays apparently well by Kathmandu's standards. [The starting average BASE salary of KU MBAs at banks is like: Rs. 17,000 a month, with a few getting more than that.] oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 07:02 PM
American styled MBA student graduates value proposition to potential employers are very much rah rah rah hypes. It seems that Yankee culture has been transported to Nepal in terms of Yankee standardisation through their own needs based value creation in wanton of developing synergies and having no regards to Nepalese cultural sensitivities. This is what is regarded knowledge service marketing based on Yankee ethnocentric global service/product pricing, promotion and placing. We in Australia train Master of International Business Administration students to be polycentric and value create through synergies with potential employers. We cater for customisation in the Asia pacific region. We are very determined to train our students to be International Cross Cultural Managers. I think this brand of service knowledge is more to the greater public benefit and in the Nepali national interest. Our students are adroit in Asian Studies, International Management, International Marketing, International Finance, International Human Resource Management, International Corporation Governance and Law, Strategic and Corporate Management, International Law, Asian and Latin American laguages, Electronic Marketing and E-Business that is the sum of business intelligence, customer relationship management, enterprise resource planning, electronic commerece and supply chain management. Futher, they are trained in special events management, project management, innovation management, arts management, brand management, accounting, entrepreneur leadership, international mareketing research, international consumer behaviour, advertising, public relatioship and much much more. I believe that American education has been deeply influenced in Nepal through the Jesuits. Then the Jesuit American model is not going to benefit Nepal. This is American Jesuit ideas are not based in human and organisational psychology. Jesuits do not want Nepalese to wear condoms in the sex act. This they label it as commiting sin against Yesu Masihah. Hey man, Nepal needs to control population and use of condoms are very vital for Nepal's public interest. The Jesuits also label male and female masturbation as crime against Yesu Masihah. To me this is again absurd proposition. Science indicates that male masturbation is good as it retards prostrate cancer. It means that semen build up will be flushed out. Female masturbation is also good in terms of female orgasm management. I mean Jesuits do not lead functional sexual and useful life. They are dysfunctional in terms of sex deviancy through normal cultural normality and are commiting crime against humanity by victimising children. Thus, they are the greatest hypocrites by being mendacious and by having moral turpitude. To me American MBA lacks vision, mission and clear objectives for Nepal. Their standardised ethnocentric strategies are unsustainable in economically, socially and environmentally. They do not provide for inclusion and integration with Nepali culture. Finally, they are rigid and lack creativity. We provide this in Australia. American MBA also fail to address what is management ? We in Australia summarise that management is all about leading, motivating, planning, controlling, coordinating and organising by adapting cultures. We provide students to sell themselves in one page format and through multi media. Our targeted niche and multi segmented marketing is very effective, efficient and productive in terms of financial and non financial metrices. Our MIBA students are empowered and great entrepreneurs. This is the bottomline Nepal neads based on our cutting edge and state of the art delivery. |
| ashu | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 09:03 PM
>>> To me American MBA lacks vision, mission and clear objectives for Nepal. Well, at a time, when our elected and unelected netas seem to lack "vision, mission and clear objectives for Nepal", it's unrealistic to expect America-trained Nepali MBAs to have all the solutions to Nepali problems. Other than that, what was all that context-less Jesuit-bashing for? Are you Ranjit Rana in your yet another avatar? Just asking. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 09:51 PM
Rendra Wasito Mahasaye ji, You said "....... American MBA lacks vision, mission and clear objectives .....". What's that detest for Americans? Hmm...Still the world listen to the American Banker named Sir Alan Greenspan. When he sneezes, trillions of dollars ups and downs of transaction in world financial and currency market. Moreover, world's financial mkt looks for Wall Street to lead and guide them. To me American MBAs are powerful in thinking and action. I have no doubt about that. However, I have due respect to Australian MBAs as well. I also strongly believe that overwhelmingly majority of your professors in your institute have American business degree or the derivative of it. Hope that helps you. Ani feri yo Jesuit ko kura kaha ayo. Is Australia a Muslim, Buddist, or Hindu country? |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 10:31 PM
The context and the content of Jesuits were to demonstrate Nepali educational cultural development, and to correlate the American formula that is standardisation. The Jesuits believe that all things of neo-liberalism is dark and evil through nature based resource utilisation and consumptions as a self gift to one self. That is capitalism based production and consumption is immoral as few percent of the rich control the wealth, and very much in the bottom rung of the society suffer in terms of inequality and social justice. Thus, for the paleo conservative Jesuits globalisation also is evil. Now, then they are the archetypal Professors of Christian Liberation Theology to turn the old back to the dark ages under the evil and heretical black Papabilli of Rome, with 666 inscripted in his skull. According to this Liberation Theology the world should be globalised and liberalised for Jesus. One world is thus established for CHRIST alone and no one else. To me this is literally and liturgically wanking the OPUS DIE way and after the Vatican Council mark 2. The Jesuit Superior General (dead one) Pedro Arupe and not Arup Rajoria declared to the Jesuit foot soldiers all over to be militant and apply the Liberation Theology...alas the decaying and dying heretical black Papabilli has ordered the Society of Jesus to stop it. Modernisation is about exchanges of ideas locally, internationalisation is about exchanges of ideas politically and globalisation is about exchanges of ideas symbolically. However, globalisation had already started in our Asia through the silk routes and Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam propogated in this root from China to Rome, India to Vietnam and much more. Greenspan is certainly a transitional monetary leader...hoever, in 25 years time from now Peoples' Republic of China will take over USA as the global leader of capitalism and is demonstrated through incredible growth of MAHA CHIN's total RGDP. This is constant growth of GDP between 6 to 10 percent decade after decade. Thus, the shift of paradigm in MBA model in Australia is to focus shaply in the Asia Pacific Rim countries and development in trade blocks like NAFTA, APEC and much more. American Professors are in minority in our Australian Universities related business schools. My research in international human resource management indicates that American companies failure rate in Asia and specially China is huge in terms of magnitude. Because, they are still using Tayorism or Theory X management, and they humiliate their workers as if they were children. I mean Australians use Theory Y and Ouchi's Theory Z, and Modified American/Japanese management model, and behaviorism and now my favourite eclectism and situational leadership management models. They are closer to humanity as they are based on organisational, social, educational, cross-cultural and experimental psychologies. Australian organisations are highly successful in Asia Pacific Rim. Because, Australian organisations are organic and learning. Thus, Australian MIBA model is highly recommended in terms of Nepalese economical and structural development asap. Here, capital, land, labour and entrepreneurship of Nepal and of Asia will benefit through proper macro-level, meso-level and micro-level adaptation and adjustment through international business via the cresendo of due process of globalisation. MIBA model allows for culturally to customise.... I am that I am ! |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 10:41 PM
Rendra ji, Hmmm "....American Professors are in minority in our Australian Universities ....." Don't know exactly, but i will see. How about American text books/journals? Let's just dream Maha China. |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 31-Jul-03 10:51 PM
We in Australia utilise Australian text books, periodicals and action based research in ASIA PACIFIC RIM countries. MAHA CHIN provides the most fabulous learning in its Guang Xi networked Confucian, Daoism and Paternalistic Asian traditional high context society. Read the work of Professor Hofstede the great Organisational Anthropologist. My higher research degree is China related Guanxi and Counter-trading pricing and international marketing model development. A fab subject that I dearly love. I am that I am ! |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 12:37 AM
Rendra ji, Merai goru ko barai takka....try to go beyond Pacific Rim and broaden up urself...If your model is good one, we can try that as well. But, that may not be the best. I would like to hear more about ur version of Maha Chin. Thanks... |
| ramaychowchow | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 06:59 AM
This will sound bit corny but... : MBA (or any degrees for that matter) is just a tool. Its up to the user to use it wisely. I don't think it really matters if you have MBA from anywhere until unless you really understand the Nepalese need. People from all over the world come to study in US. There is no way, the American universities will be able to focus just on Nepalese economy. But you will have a choice to select the courses you may think will be useful for Nepal. American educational system also teaches how to learn more than just theories from books. "Custom tailored" degrees just focusing on Nepal... I am not too sure about that. If Australia is such a great country, mate, tell me why the Abos are treated so badly? Why majority of white Australians are so racist and descriminate natives ? Why they try so hard to "culture" the natives? Everyone have a past they would like to erase... everyone. From what I've heard, American Jasuit introduced a western standard of education to Nepal. It was badly needed at that time. That changed the whole Nepalese education system. For that I am grateful to them. G''Day Mate! |
| Deep | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 07:21 AM
I was reading the post with keen interest until Rendra showed up with his Jesuit and MBA stuff. I am not interested in Jesiut stuff, so let's look at his stand on MBA issue. "To me American MBA lacks vision, mission and clear objectives for Nepal. Their standardised ethnocentric strategies are unsustainable in economically, socially and environmentally. They do not provide for inclusion and integration with Nepali culture. Finally, they are rigid and lack creativity. We provide this in Australia." What is this? Pipalpate offense/defense? "Their standardised ethnocentric strategies are unsustainable in economically, socially and environmentally." What about this statement? I felt like I am in a rival dokan in Nautanuwa for a pressure cooker. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 11:48 AM
My higher research degree is China related Guanxi and Counter-trading pricing and international marketing model development. A fab subject that I dearly love. hmm.. interesting. So, what did you find out about Guan-Xi? Care to share with us? |
| czar | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 01:44 PM
arlier this year, I ran into a tool created by Deloitte and Touche that sought to address the excessive and meaningless verbiage of writers of business documents. D & T created a tool, the Bullfighter (www.dc.com/bullfighter), to strip out bull droppings littering business documents. I felt drawn to running the test on Rendro's writings in this thread. The results were impressive. "Diagnosis: You like to hear yourself write. Despairing of the thought of bringing a sentence to a close with something as demeaningly ordinary as a simple period, you shower readers with gratuitous, interminable and often weighty if not impossibly labyrinthine prose. Meaning lingers, albeit awash in a thick tide of metaphor and exposition that threatens to drown the writer's message. Seek help." On the BS index, the two documents scored an impressive 85%. Rendro has emphatically proven, beyond any reasonable doubt, that the Aussie MBA is a worldclass bullshitter. Congratulations ! |
| Rendra Wasito | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 04:52 PM
Aba khaba baik baik tantu saja ! Nama saya Renrda. |
| ashu | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 08:27 PM
Czar, Thanks a million for that Web address: www.dc.com/bullfighter As someone who prefers clear and vigorous writing, I expect to be using the Deloitte tool now to understand what some of these s-called experts write about. The verdict on Rendra's posting is entertining, to say the least. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 09:12 PM
Ashuji, You are the self styled DEMI GOD of vigorous clear, crisp and correct writing. However, your undoing has been your bad spelling has been mispelling of ENTERTAINING. Correct then if you are my customised customer then YOU ARE THE KING for your retailing therapy. I must satisfy you from the point of first contact. This has to be through clear cut retail strategy that has to be sustainable in terms of competitive and and comparative advantage to you and me your humble BUTLER.I and You have to differentiate yourself and myself with you and myr competitors and have unique selling propostion in terms of product/service, price (value for money), promotion and place. The retail strategies that I would recommend for you like a Mc Burger University would be location, location, location. Then store layout and design, visual merchandise and presentation, price (either everyday low pricing or premium pricing for brand equity maintenence and much more), advertising and promotions that has to be highly targeted (either niche or mass targeting) and highly trained staff on one to one basis. Further, I will provide you with great atmospherics and threatrics like mastered by the whole retailing concept done by MALL OF AMERICA. They have a mascot, SNOOPY dog. You will be provided aroma therapy, great lightening effects, chirping birds' sound and humming bees sound and crashing gentle wave sounds. Great food being prepared sights through visible kitchens and food galore from all over the world, be they sakahari or Mamsahari etc. Why not also have great spice aromas being wafted to your tender nostrils for tiltilating your senses. In sum, your day that is profane will be made sacred. Thus, it will be a day for your reconing as you will be a king for a day. Then you will come back to me as this location will ever after be your sense of place to savour your mighty kingdom of your horizon and imagination. You will be loyal to us as we will be your devotional service servants...our repertoire of service will be based on Dale Carniege's (sorry forgot his name spelling) ever green book "How to make friends and win friends." So what you say....have I customised for your whims and impulses...to throw red rose petals to your MAHA BAJE feet on your sudden entry to our site. Give me a feedback and a MAHAMARK to improvise like the LATIN QUARTER Jazz of loyal and devotional service to you the great CHOSEN ONE. I am that I am ! PS: I do not wanna be your BUTLER from USA with a degree in Hamburgerlogy with a major in flipping Mc Burgers and a minor in chipology. My degree is based on MAHAPRASAD and MAHAKANDA as described in MAHABHARAT MAHA DEGREE of LORD KRISHNA"S wish. |
| Neural | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 09:21 PM
lonely jyu, what is ur bichar/bimarsha regarding MBA in USA as u have mentioned the following : "This is my second MBA and I will be completing soon, but I still think academics is the best field for me... " Posted on 07-17-03 5:12 PM under Thoughts on getting a Ph.D. thread. Thank you. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 01-Aug-03 10:07 PM
Rendra jyu, Sounds like you didn't get student visa to study in USA....in jest |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 05:00 PM
Czarji, Your BULL FIGHTER is what we term is Australia a bulldust in the semi arid region of Alice Springs. Do you know why ? Because, the BEAN COUNTING firm of D.T & Tomahatsu are not real MAHAGURUS of MODERN MANAGEMENT. They are globalisied and standardised full service of BEAN COUNTERS the YANKEE way. Some how they are also diversifying in terms of corporate strategy in the field of Management Consulting. Probably, they want to make english simple in business and this way can save money in terms of strategic business communications. Why pay lot of money to customise by training and immersing employees in Asian and Latin languages and cultures ? However, the question remains have they truely become a globalised corporation of bean counters ? Standardisation is viable in the era of globalisation, if it can reap super profit by achieving economies of scale and that they have truely been a global brand like Coco Cola. Thus, CZARji, you fall flat to run your Bull that has gone amok, as a cheap contraption or artifact of a do dah do dah Yankee snake oil selling merchant to indicate they are simply the best. If you have the Bull running at me then, you are my Picador and I am your Troubador to sing your bull's death by being the Lord Matador of the death defying act ala man-o-bull. As we say in OZ that you are love "a" bull, shit "a" bull, laugh "a" bull and many many bulls. Why jealousy if you ain't me that I am that I am.... |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 09:50 PM
To the CHOWCHOWS, POWPOWS, and all the rest BOWBOWs and my answer is all about CUSTOMISASION and Australian educational engagement with Asia HOWHOW ? In fact, USA depends on Australia for the Asia Pacific Rim related economic, social, defence, political, cultural, terrorism related strategic in telligence issues. America has long ago contained itself from Asia in terms of trade, commerce and aid and defence the four pillars of Foster Dules Asian crisis management doctrine. Any where in Asia can be an arc ofthe source of conflict. Pragmatically, USA relies heavily on Australia as part of the ECHELON super duper do super secret project involving USA, UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand. The destiny of Nepal should be enmeshed strategically now with China, as it is going to be the SUPER ECONOMIC POWER in next three decades. Thus, Nepal's best interests are served by engaging with China. That is politically, culturally, linguistically, socially, morally and in many many ways. China or MAHA CHIN allows Nepal to disentangle itself from the vicious vicious cycle of poverty. Maha Chin will teach Nepal through association or social learning theory how to join the post modern world of globalisation. Nepali FDI or foreign direct investmant and forming of strategic alliance and joint ventures in Tibet, Chengdo and in the silk route would be a tremendous way to diversify from now sick and unsustainable industries. I mean Nepal also has to diversify from the lunatic ideas of building big dams as they are unsustainable. Currently, Nepal's industries are carpet, garment, tourism, wood, exporting children and women for sex trade, herbs and hydro power. I term all these sick and unsustainable industries and survive through subsidies and grants and distorts the real market development through artificially created floor and ceilings. All Nepalese industries are connected with corruption, nepotism, cronyism and kleptocracy. American MBAs do not contribute to anything as it is standardised and correlated to Tayolrism. Remember what Henry Ford said "You can have only one choice and that is black colored T-Model Ford." American trained HANUMANAGERS think of themselves as No. 1 servant of the MAHAJANS, MARWARIS and MAHASAHUS. These HANUMANAGERS then do not know how to treat employees and their union representatives. That is why this theory x fails Americans and their trainees in ASIA and Latin Americas. Even the uneducated GAUCHOs can beat impulsive and restless Yankees in simple are of NEGOTIATIONS be it bilaterally, plurilaterally or multilaterally. Because, the art of negotiation is a way of life even in agarian orientated societies through HORSE or CAMEL trading. Guang Xi teaches one how to deal with the future world economic leader and Asia Pacific Rim is important. Why ? Because, here the 120 million overseas born Chimese live and they control 1.9 trillion American dollars in the free flow of world currency daily. Then why not be near them and rely on the dead and decaying leader half way across the world apart ? It makes perfect sense to me as a smart trend observer of markets. Guang Xi also teaches you an art form how to bribe politicians without breaking international laws and it is a custom of CHINA. The same art form applies in how to build realtionship businesswise in Latin American countries...the term COMPADREs....Muchacho....Andre andre eva eva....Brings them manana.... That is my vision, mission, objective and strategy....a road map to Nepal's pre-take off to modernity. Otherwise, Nepal is viciously degrading its own environment and getting poor viciously. What do you say TOM TOMs ? PS: Abos in OZ are learning from Canadian MUKUUW decsion and are going to be better than Red Indians as people like me are teaching them international business. What are you doing to your "TAKA DHARI PANI NACHALNE JAATs ? |
| ashu | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 10:00 PM
Rendra, You may find this paragraph interesting. Apparently, BETTER universities in Australia seem to have copied the MBA model from a certain -- gasp, choke, gulp! -- American university located in Boston. For all your rantings against American MBA programs, this is an interesting peice of information, isn't it? "Currently, a total of 55 Australian universities offer MBA programs. The prevailing model at the better institutions is the 'Harvard style' MBA, which provides around 16 diverse business related subjects, delivered over a period of 16 months to 2 years of full-time study. The shorter (16 month) program is delivered by institutions who have adopted the trimester system as a means to reduce the opportunity cost of an MBA to its students. Students may also study part-time, and most choose to do so." Source: http://www.transworldeducation.com/articles/mbaus.htm oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| ruby | Posted
on 02-Aug-03 11:56 PM
how much for a BA in eco?> |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 04:03 PM
Ashuji, I am not the PR man for all Oz copy cat universities. However, what I can tell you is that they all are focused with American or English speaking world markets. Their competitive models of retail education service delivery is based on standardisation. Classic Taylorism and in recent times adaptation of Juran, Deming et. al in retro action to modify American management to create synergy with Japanese management model. In other words, American MBAs are domestic market oriented for shrinking and collapsing English speaking world in terms of capital, land, labour and entrepreneurism. However, I talk with the DEGREE of MASTER OF INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION. I begin to feel that your comprehension about this uniquely differentiated, targeted, Asia-Pacific Rim focused (includes the markets of USA, Canada, whole of North and South American Continents, APEC, China and Russia) and audited highly for enlarged choices and enhanced outcomes in terms of efficieny, effectiveness and productivity. The audition is based of Norton and his friend's theory of "Resouces Based View of the Firm." In other words, every thing is assessed and evaluated with a balanced score card in the value chain proposition. In other words, scores are provided for taking into account of customer satisfaction to relationships and much more with all stakeholders. Thus, no other rent seeking firm will be able to replicate the several trade secrets of the firm who have MIBA of Master of International Business Administration trained modern Transcultural managers/specialists in this Asia-Pacific Rim. They can talk languages and are deft in adaptation in high and low context cultures. This is their CRIER DE CROUER and having a superb plumage in standing out in the MBA crazed crowd of delivery and outcomes being ethically proactive and contributing to sustainable management of our planet's diminishing resources. Even the naked market gardener of Tobriand Island provides you the wisdom of "Customise and survive or Standardise and perish." I might ask you your logic for this superb Shamanic value proposition and creation. As you know that I am a Forest based Buddhist and close to nature, do Green Marketing, eat slow movement organic food, all my consumptions are ratified by Green Peace, I recycle plastics and cans and do not use product that has been cruel to animals, children, women and exploitation of labour under oppression. I am also a vegetarian cooked by myself or Swayam Pakya Maha Vaisnav. No one can mimic me as I am that I am. I do not care about your hyped up evil consumption empire called America and its unsustainable MBAs. So as you know by now my value proposition meets your needs and wants. Thus you will be converted from being a looker to a booker and user of my proposition that is closer to the Natural Law Party. This is Nepal should be free of monarchy. It should be united with India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Shri Lanka and much more as a United States of Republic South East Asia. As a trading bloc, as a political entity beyond nation-states, as a united economy and much more. I know it will not happen in our life time. However, it is a start to contain the excess product dumping capacity of Maha Chin. I am that I am Host country national First country national Third country national Ethnocenric Regiocentric Polycentric Act local ! Think Global ! |
| thugged out | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 04:19 PM
So then, did anybody recognize rendra wasito aka ranjit shamsher rana? He has some vendetta against Ashu. Further, he claims he got raped by some missionary guy, who I think is already dead. |
| Rastafariya | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 04:29 PM
Birader thugged out! why them you is think everybody is like you is? Them peopal simpal peopal. Them peopal never no vendetta. |
| thugged out | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 04:36 PM
Well tell me. Why did San ban you for a year? For no reason? |
| Rastafariya | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 05:54 PM
Birader thugged ! You wants I to tell? I is tell you . Birader san banned I from Sajha because I is starting to answer all them quesions of your friends without tellin no lies. Ane them friends of you gets angry angry at I for no reason. I is get banned because I is never angry and never use bad words like you is use. I is banned because I is never no change. |
| ashu | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 06:17 PM
BTW, the first article about KU MBAs' resume was my column-piece in The Nepali Times English weekly newspaper. It was, in a slightly edited form, was published last Friday. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 06:37 PM
Baptising the Last Shaman On the day the boy was born in Batzulnetas (home town of Arup Rajoria) a priest Father Moran arrived carrying spring water in a tea pot When he baptized him the boy's nose began to bleed. Happiness Hapiness for the robin and for the wolf, is to exist. For Indians, it is to know existence and to marvel in it. Written, perhaps, on a tomb (No father Moran was burnt in Delhi). here, far from anyone, the sun beats upon your hair, luminates the honey of it, and we're reclaimed for the living by summer's last cicada on is bush, and by the siren, howling out its alarum across the plains of Lombardy. O dried-up voices of the air, what is it that you require of us ? Weariness shimmers from the soil. |
| czar | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 06:52 PM
Rendra, You'rs would have been a spectacular performance IFF it were backed by substantive arguments and facts. So Aussie IMBA's learn are also taught spanish / portuguese / mandarin / japanese. Very useful. That in itself doesn't provide sufficient competitive advantage to deify B-school grads from down under. Guanxi supports corruption and bribery and distorts the competitive landscape and is extremely harmful to trade and business practices. Its the poison that holds back economies and states. And that is your secret recipe for success ? Astounding ! China has many merits that I need not go into. A monolithic state completely dedicated to economic progress, AT ALL COSTS, produced spectacular results and the Chinese Dragon did indeed roar. Lets not also forget that the largest initial investors were Taiwanese who were often American trained MBAs. Now subject PRC, the nine day wonder, to closer examination. State corruption is endemic. As the state reaches into every sphere of life of its citizens, the effects are phenomenal. Just the People's Liberation Army alone operates thousands and thousands of factories and enterprises. Efficiency levels are hopeless and are an almost unsustainable burden on the economy. The banking sector is manacled with state policies that require they lend to inefficient SOE (state owned enterprises), hence a horrific drain on finances. If growth falters for 3 or 4 years, expect to see blood on the streets as unpaid and starving workers rampage through the streets. With a migrant labor population estimated at between 100 and 150 million, many of whom are increasingly from dysfunctional SOE's, the stage is being set for an explosion of gigantic proportions. Such unrest is already present even on a small scale, except it is ruthless supressed by party and state organs. Still, reports of it filter out, one way or the other. PLA generals and Communist party hacks privately own and operate vast number of industries. Guanxi at work. Many such enterprises are specifically involved in theft of intellectual property and copyrights violation on a mass scale. I'd recommend a trip out of Hong Kong to the economic zones of Shenzen, Zhuhai or Guanzhou. It will be a real eye opener. Just last month, GM discovered a local Chinese car company launched a vehicle that was nearly identical to a model GM was marketing in China. That has been the experience of Yamaha and Honda motorcycles too. The list is endless. Ever thought of the source of those Chinese motorcycles zipping around on the streets of KTM ? Most alarming,however, is your wholesale adoption and proseletysing of guanxi. A network laden with nepotism, influence peddling and bribery. The last two being criminal offenses. That is what you wholeheartedly endorse as essential business skills? Just which school of thought supports such a notion ? Morally bankrupt and unethical business practices holds no lessons that need to be applied to Nepal. We already are awash with such. We have no need for more of such, even in the form of an Aussie IMBA. No thank you. G'day mate. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 07:04 PM
Why corruption is so rampant in China? It sounds not less than any country in South Asia. I am for American MBAs... |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 07:10 PM
quite a discussion on Guan Xi! Guan Xi is a very complex tradition.Guanxi is not bribery. Guanxi is building network, and later benefitting from that network just the way connections work in the US. Guan Xi is also a face saving mechanism. You don't want to loose face nor want your friends' to loose face. |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 07:17 PM
Why is American MBAs useless in the largest triangle of world's trade and commerce ? This triangle that I speak is about between USA, EU and APEC. American MBAs do not bring convergence through Anglo-Saxon-Celtic and Germanic ethnocentric models. They are only creating divergence through due process of globalisation. The way to go is KULTURAL GESSELSHAFT. This is the REAL POLITIC of the Doppleganger effect for integration through diversity. We need not wear a base ball cap with a Swish backwards and dance the noisy gangstarap....All bullshit. bawdy NEPES trying to wanna be Yaki Yankees with no manners, adat and abru ha ha ha.... Keep on flipping your standadised Mc Burgers chaps and you will never go up to be upper class and be invited in the A list of Nepalese society or any society. Look at your Mahakanda as you brim mob don't even knowhow to manage a Hindu temple. Love to manage your Yankee neighbours first. Come out of Dal Bhat and Hat le Khane KULTURE. Start sucking raw Oysters as a pussy of sensaton and drink it with Butare VVSOP Champagne....Don't you think it would be nice? |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 03-Aug-03 08:05 PM
You are no doubt an assocaie BEAN COUNTER with a Yakiyak yak yak yak yak loud mouth. As I summarily dimiss that my Doctorate of International Business Administration is B grade. I have first class honours with a Suma Comme Lauda. 100% for the thesis ever recorded in Advanced Econmy. One of my external marker was Professor Porter, who gets US$ 1 million for Consulting a day in Singapore. |
| czar | Posted
on 04-Aug-03 05:24 PM
To add top the debate, I now pose this question: What are the ethics of guanxi ? In addition, what are the costs of guanxi ? As compared to a rules based business environment, a system based on personal networking leads to abandonment of ethics and ultimately extorts a higher cost. Initially, its cheaper and easier to work with networks and depend on both recieving and giving out of favours. How long and how far can one take this ? How does this fare when working with international, rules based organizations like the WTO ? Wouldn't it just be grand if Zhu Rongzhi's guanxi extends there too, no? Consider the keireitsu of Japan. They were the giants of pre-war and post war Japan. They still are. But lets pause and ask now, how many new global companies have emerged other than from the ranks of the cozy keiretsu ? Other than Sony and Nintendo. How many ? Name them please. The keiretsu in this case were the harbingers of Japan Inc. It brought immesuarable improvements in the lives of its people. But now examine the morass they find themselves in. The nexus of backroom deals, state and industry. Japan has the finest politicians money can buy. So the Japanese still have near 14%-15% of the global economy, so why get fussy about it eh ? So, driving principle here is: let's get our share of the economic dream any way we can get it, and then worry about the other issues of rule of law, ethics and other finer principles later on ? |
| Laughing Buddha | Posted
on 04-Aug-03 07:39 PM
" I AM THE BEST......!" A psychological case: Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder. Ring a Bell, Mr. Wasito? |
| ashu | Posted
on 04-Aug-03 08:35 PM
>>>did anybody recognize rendra wasito aka ranjit shamsher rana? He has some vendetta against Ashu.<<<< I do not know who Ranjit Rana is. I have never met him. But I do know that, at one time, he was posting utter rubbish about me and one other well-respected Nepali professional (who lives in DC) all over the Net for no apparent reason. Because of Rana's repeated outlandish accusations and his abuse of the Sajha privileges, San had him banned from this site. But it looks like Rana is back here under the name of rendra wasito. On a larger note, I am so BORINGLY used to having both known and unknown people attack me with all kinds of FALSE and RUBBISH charges here on Sajha that I have, with equanimity, come to accept the silly and verifiably false attacks for what they tell me about the state of mind of my attackers . . . while I can, unperturbed and undisturbed, smilingly continue on with my life, without a worry in the world, and post Nepal-related virews, news and information. As some poet wrote: Santaan thari thari kaa. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 04-Aug-03 09:05 PM
In ethics some mangers are mutters or mute and do not care about harm to others. This is a way to chase profit or super rent as the bottomline. Then, some other managers can be ethically reactive just like pure, puritan, puranic, purush tatwa Ashutosh the Harvard trained and standardised. The third type of Guang Xi Cross Cultural managers are termed ethically proactive. The minimum test of ethically acceptable managers are those who do not breach any municipal or international law. Any action is justifiable if : 1. One 's action is beneficial to all or Bentham's philosophy. 2. One's action should be fair and equitable to others. 3. One should be able to live and let others live. Then, the person concerned is not mendacious and is not involved in the controversial issues of moral turpitude. In sum, Czar that you wannabe a manager....you seem to be Personality type A and involves your characteristic traits to be an Autocratic and involved in Theory X standardised American BEAN COUNTING Kulture....You are a reactive ethical BEAN COUNTER....Why don't you plant beans like in the fairy story of Jack and the Bean Stalk and catch the gold laying goose....then we will know what ethical standard real person that you could be ! |
| baljoshi | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 09:05 AM
I think the technology boom in the US gave MBA a bad name. MBA used to be a process to understand the deeper level of business after having worked for few years. Now the primary reason to receive MBA is more about positioning yourself higher on a salary scale than anything else. However, this has backfired in the US and I am sure this culture or this norm will do the same in Nepal too. Lately I hear companies in KTM boast about hiring MBA's, I would love to see stats on the performance of these MBA students. Ashu since you are in Nepal may be its a research you can initiate :-) BTW, I can come up with 10 case studies in Nepal that were a big flop. Now mind you, these were some ambitious ventures initiated by MBA students who graduated from good schools in the US and India. Currently the job market in the US is for "Jack of all trades" not specialization like few years back. To be "jack of all trades" you have to have an understanding of business, which only comes only by "GRASS ROOT experience. The companies that hired MBAs who graduated right after undergrads were not able to deliver what they were expected. To me personally, its funny to see kids with virtually no working experience flashing a MBA Degree demanding high salaries. To me business personnel = person with sales experience at the grass root level who understands and believes in value proposition delivered that ADDS A VALUE to the recipient of the value proposition. Idea of just selling for the sake of selling will never create a sustainable business. I have come across very few Nepali MBA grads with selling experience. Most of the resumes I have seen have direct interest in marketing and administrative type position than selling. How can you sell a product on the streets if you have no experience in scouting the same streets? In other terms, appointing a general for a war who has no previous experience fighting as a soldier on the ground. The big buzz in the US now is going after "EMERGING MARKETS." However the companies are having trouble understanding the culture and the needs of the market identified because they are sending primarily MBA grads or business personnel with no understanding of the target market to evaluate the potential market for next big thing. Finally companies like Intel have started a scientific approach. Intel now works with grass root entrepreneurs who works directly with Intel's social scientists that conducts a details analysis on value proportion delivered by Intel's products. Who would have thought a tree hugging anthropologists would one day make will be responsible for Pentium 100! This type of approach of working directly with person with "grass root business experience" has resulted in research centers in institutions like Stanford and University of Texas. The moral of this long story is to connecting dots for a final transaction that completes a business circle. MBA is just a tool to understand the deeper level of business. A successful business manager is a person who has solid understanding of a value being offered and knows all the right tools to deliver it. And yesss! MBA and arts of modern education help us integrate these tools. In a post Enron and dot COM flop era, word business has a completely different meaning. In Nepal non-MBA personnel like "ghiu and tel" vendors in Ason or Marwaris selling "Chamal or Dal" in Birgunj have a solid understanding on what it takes to be successful within Nepals infrastructure. Their intellectual capital should be tapped by the younger generations to package and deliver in a scientific way that only makes things better. Perhaps may be one MBA student could do a thesis on integration of scientific approach and grassroots business infrastructure for sustainable business. Peace! |
| czar | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 11:25 AM
As one football referee is alleged to have said: Play the ball, not the man. That may be a lesson well learnt by Mr. Wasito. Attack ideas and answer questions in a clear manner, if that's a challenge you can stand up to. Launching broadsides against all manner of people, including other writers here, adds very little to the discussion. Its hardly a discussion anymore, more of a rant board and a grand display of moral turpitude. So much rage bottled up, all in a rush to escape. Perhaps the fussilades are therapeutic, but they ought to be confined to the walls of a medical institute set up to handle such. Sajha, as a public discussion forum, is not the place for it. I rest my case. |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 04:28 PM
I fully concur with the pearly wisdom of baljoshiji. You are a very good observer and practitioner of what you say. You do believe in customer and buyer needs and wants based value creation. This is what customisation is all about. This is my case in point, and Nepalese in America and who are BEAN COUNTERS do not understand this basic base of business segmenting and targeting, whether with niche or counter niche strategy. The bases that could be applied would be based on psychographic, geographic, demographic, users lifestyle based (eg. usage of service in terms of low, medium or heavy) and much more ways. These bases need to be used in combination for better interpretation of service delivery, identifying the market size and share, accessibility and for performance measuring.... I mean BEAN COUNTERS in America and Nepal are still using arcane accounting from the days of Fra Lucca Chelli days or in short the standard double entry book keeping. This bullshit method is really unscientific and distorts the true value of cost and price of the firm in relation with market based assets of the firm. What Nepal needs is BEAN COUNTING practiced by GURU OF MODERN MANAGEMENT. This accounting is ABC or activity based costing that truely customises and is scientific for enlarging choices and enhancing outcomes and reflects true cost and price to the firm....is best way to allocate diminishing resources and distributed through cost and profit centres.... Joshiji, you clearly hit the nail of Nepalese BEAN COUNTERS, who are only being HANUMANS in terms of the MARWARIS, MAHASAHUS and MAHAJANS in terms of loyalty. However, they lack BEAN COUNTING vision, mission, objectives, strategies, tactics, operations for Nepal upstream and downstream of the value chain proposition. After collapse of Enron and the fraudulent self styled el globo firm Andersons, the face, image and value of the paleo conservative standard BEAN COUNTERS have been even mishapened beyond realistic recognition. Czar BEAN COUNTER has lost the plot and wants to be a loose canon in mounting a censorship motion to ban me again. Is this your value proposition of a BULL FIGHT in SPAIN as my hero Hemmingway had described a long long time ago. Remember I had warned you that bull you ran on me...I cautioned you that bull's fate will be decided by me as your LORD MATADOR. Now time has come and you have run out of ideas, you are the raving and ranting Troubador/Picador as that bull has its sharp horns rammed and spiked up your little Asian bum that has low center of gravity, On the other hand, I am the singing Troubador/Lord Matador and has just slain the peony Asan ko bull....I rest too my case to butcher the bull now for our share of devouring the penis of the bull as the ultimate prize...as Matadors do after the true bull fight before seista...we will have this fiesta...tapas style...drink the wonderful Sangria.... There you have it your BULL is Kapis and entombed in our overloaded stomach...you can only smell our belches blurps...and farts from our over gaseous NEPE bums....I rest now in blissful NEPE MAHAMAYA deep sleep in a MAHA LUMPASAR MAHA MUDRA....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. |
| esl student | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 04:50 PM
I don't think anybody's planning on banning you, but you got to tone it down a notch. You can't just go around acting like a wild monkey swinging trees. If you wanna sound professional, act like one, instead of belittling someone. Learn to earn respect. |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 04:59 PM
Ashutosh Bhayaji, You know me perfectly well. Your cousins Benju, Manju and Nikunj Nidhi Tiwaris are my best pals. You know their late father being the Poet Laurate Maha Kabi Bhim Niddhi Tiwari. Stop saying you do not know me....You know Arup Rajoria.... Time has come to sum up the tiff you and your friend SM Sainju had with me for a very very peony matter. 1. You became incensed about my campaign to stop Paedophile activities in Nepal by American Irish Jesuits of past, present and in future. That campaign was called "Tori Taan Roka." I do not mean that within the context and content of Jesuits' ideas that masturbation or wanking or 6*6=36 thyaks as the village NEPES say.... 2. You presented an outlook and social construct that your Father Moran did keep children in his laps and that was based in his Holy Fatherly consideration and compassion. You did not believe that Moran was capable of doing that as you indicated that not knowing Moran well. My story dated back to 1965 and being molested by Moran and Keralan teachers Xavier and Thomas. Being beated by Downing and Chambers. 3. SM Sainju has now gone hiding after I have launched legal actions against Flinders University, Deepak Bista and University of South Australia for discrimination. I believe that SM Sainju was recently visited by burly looking FBI's in the matter that concerns Flinders. 4. SM Sainju indicated in Chautari forum dated 28/12/2001 that Dean Bowrett of Social Sciences at Flinders had indicated to him about my alleged madness. Now your Kathar friend has gone hiding like Luke Mahadeo in the tolas and tolis of baha and bahis of Nepal. 5. My legal team has been trying to contact him in all his abodes electronic or otherwise. Be they his residence or work. He is not confirming or denying about that posting. 6. For no reason SM Sainju has put Dean Bowrett in legal trouble. I have to test it out. 7. Dean Bowrett indicates that he never contacted SM Sainju by email and told him about my alleged madnes. 8. The world has to decide why a professional and ethical Dean wil breach the confidence of his staff to a virtually unknown SM Sainju in USA from Australia ? 9. The ranting and raving in plural of Sainju and Tiwari duo have been rather illogical and irrational and if not erratic in the last three years. 10. Will you Tiwari tell your Sainju to come out from his hiding and debate this matter with me frankly and freely ? 11. If not, why not ? 12. I mean to have had seen another bizarre episode in the past concerning Boston Nepalese Community that involoved Durga Prasad Pokharel and her eccentric American lover and former Secretary of GBNC, late Mr. Laurie Mckinna. I had to solve that matter from here. My brother Pradip Rana had asked me to do it. 13. Thus, all things Boston and its Boston Brahmins cause me great headaches as they are not from this planet so to speak bluntly. If you area true Brahmin then why are you bully ? If you are so smart then why are you so silly ? |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 05:08 PM
esl student....That is my style of infotainment delivery the OZ way to stand out in the crowd. It is my freedom of speech and freedom of association. If you like me hey ma jolly good ! If you do not like me hey man stiff shit ! Ja birdar them Kool running is ja man in Rastrafariah by birdar smoke ze ganja and its seed Nepe need to eat. Then birdar ja man is ja kool professional in ja Rastrafariah Kool running he man ! Kool as a cat birdar that ja seed is to your ja system. Bohemia need no adar and adab ja birdar this is ja way of Rastrafariah....hey man it is ja order birdar of our Emperor Haleselasih of Ethopia and Utopia. Ja seed is our respect and other matter ja birdar no man no women no cry....is whaling and wailing for no cause ja birdar no wonder for ye or me....Keep it Kool birdar. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 05:25 PM
hey rendra, the NEPE you are referring here is the same Nepe who writes gajals here? I will ask Arup's bro more about you if u r real Ranjeet Rana...aja tesle khana bolako chha...ehehe |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 05:59 PM
Bhunte, Do that. Tell him about his first love was with a Japanese fat girl in Soaltee Hotel. Kishore Bicram Rana and I laughed as MUKH BANGEY ARUP lost his virginity and went on for three days. Panchayat Ban Mantri Rajoria was worried why son had no lal colors left in his face. I speak Kishore Rana being dad of the little gal that late Niraja was supposed to marry. Kishore Rana married Rama Shah, her sister is married to Udaya the little bro of Queen Komal. They all know me that I am that went to OZ marrying a long legged tall model and Medicine Doctor with blue eyes and blonde hair and big boobs. I mean I was supposed to had married current wife of Lok Bhakta Rana....did not appeal to me....NEPE gal's go like a big fat mama after the age of 30...they eat too much ghee....no thanks does not appeal me.... That is life. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 06:37 PM
Rendra daju, You gave me so tough homework that I'm already sweating here. I have no gut to ask that...Tesmathi pani hajur ko sathi ta Yubarajdhiraj ko dahine hat ahile tyo KMTNC ma...I would have done that if it was some easier task. but good to know that ASTABAKRA's chartikala...ehehe. ...Hajur ko ta katti mathi mathi samma connection ho...btw, how long you been to Adailde (I know a guy (same yours profession) who was once a lecturer at UNE. Do u know whom i m referring to? |
| SITARA | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 06:39 PM
Rendra ji: Greetings! I have been reading your postings with a sense of awe mixed with feelings of amusement, amazement and now dismay. Awe, because there are very few who can argue (successfully or unsuccessfully)on the merits of MBAs by bringing in Tobrianders (and their trade policies); glocalizations vs globalization, Guanxi (you scratch my back and I scratch yours)- - a kind of networking translating to social capital. No doubt you are well read although, your writing is sequentially fragmented; lacking logical transitioning in many of your arguments. Thus, to a less patient reader, your postings on the relevant subject, even when within the context comes across as at best cryptic and at worse illogical. Stripped off the arrogance and the abrasive tone of your language, you are a fine, entertaining writer; with a word play and wit that few can match. However, the overkill is in the nature of your delivery of your educated argument--- rough! Your business theories on Person to person, support of Guanxi practice seem to be missing in your interactions with the Sajha people here. Rather than building a credible networking in Sajha, you seem to be contradicting the very business proposal you set out to defend; infact, going into lengths to rile and disrespect those very people you attempt to convince with your PtoP management theory. Amusement, because you do have a way with words; your use of vocabulary and the figurative speech. However, Despite the fact that you accuse Czar of being a loose cannon, you come across as one- - lambasting all and sundry. If you can't win them (by fair arguments), beat them! Dismay, because you have confessed (rightly or wrongly) to having been molested, abused and in your childhood. Such a confession ( from an arrogant, educated and vocal man, such as yourself) in a public and annoymous forum cries out for your need for attention. Yes, it is dismaying (to know you have been abused) and discomforting to read it here, out of your mouth. Is that the reason for your wrath, vivciousness and anger? You go at lenght to identify yourself, your family, your friends, your clan, your credibility and yet try to shred others'. You seem to have an ax to grind with everyone especially Ashu and SMSainju, but, I am sincerely concerned about your purpose of exposing yourself and your childhood trauma. what do you expect from Sajha. Needless to say I am appalled at your accusations (paedophilia is a horrible crime; I have come across some children who have been victims of it... it is heartbreaking!!!). Rendra ji, seriously have ever gone into psychotherapy to deal the trauma and your pent up rage? Forgive me my tresspasses as I have commented upon your postings but if it had not been for your disclosure, I would not have enquired. I do wish you well Rendra ji and I do hope that you will continue to write on relevant subjects (not personal attacks) with the same zeal minus the abrasive tone. In peace! Sitara |
| SITARA | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 06:59 PM
Please correct the typos/errors while reading the above! |
| ashu | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 07:12 PM
Rendra, Leave SM Sainju out of this. He is a first-rate, well-respected professional and a Nepali community member, and his name need not be dragged here. God knows, you've harrassed him enough over the years in the cyberspace. Likewise, I too have nothing to do with you. I mean it when I say I do NOT know you. Manju, Benju et all are NOT my cousins. All Tiwaris are NOT related to one another. I wish you well. This is my last reply to you. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 07:58 PM
Bhunteji, I know several Lecturers in Adelaide. Are you talking of Deepak Bista nakale teacher or Pankaj or Mathema or Pankane Aryal Guru....give me a hint and I shall tell you. I have been in Adelaide since 1978. Sitaraji, My job here in this forum is not to be academic nor follow any structuralism in pedagogical sense. Whether my logic is rational or irrational is not relevant in my interactions and discourses with Nepalese diaspora. I want to be open to intergeneration and invite candour and openess. That is my hallmark of being accountable and being transparent. I am a marketer and have to show paradox of life...that is also the basis of renewal and turnaround for retaining interest and attention of people. If you like me kick me give me a thumbs up...if you hate me then give me a kick in my groin and that is also okay...all part of devoyional service to the imagined virtual community. I have to commnicate with generation X, Y, Z...baby boomers, old people, Tweens, poofters, dacoits, kings and much much more in many many counter mega segments of markets... So then you need to understand that I cannot satisfy the mass markets' needs and wants....My messages are all targeted. There is no need for you to correct my english or grammar.... I take your views graciously and your critique is well assessed and analysised. Actually, in this forum the best that I have seen. I can stimulate peoples' imagination and leave it to them to do the follow up research. I have no time to instruct people in what to do as I am a busy man....to make a living and provide for the family needs. Keep on and I will listen to you. Therapy that I take is a way of life in the English speaking world to destress out and come alive....thanks that you reminded me of doing "A SCRATCH FOR A SURVIVAL" "DEAD OR ALIVE." Ashutosh Bhayaji, Grow up them ja birdar ! When hey man comey your way. This man run away, why ? Ja birdar, why fear the truth and defend the evil Papabilli of Rome birdar ? Why defend the Lookne mahadeo ja birdar the man is an evil Chameleon da birdar that I talk is Sainju Pasha. Ja birdar that Saint Ignatius of Loyola teach you and ja me thus bro we are Jesuit Gurubhais. Ja birdar Kool running then is Jamaican way ja birdar you Witch priest of Nepal need talkin and talkin and talkin withme and all the ja rastrafariah....Why no kool running bro ? Why frighten bro of truth ? Why have no originality bro ? hy alwyas ja sychophant of this rich and that rich da bro that make no Ja Ja ja ja sense..... |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 08:18 PM
Rendra dai, he is Pandey who was there during 80s but left UNE in 1992... |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 05-Aug-03 11:08 PM
Yes, I met him few times in Coffs Harbour. Have not seen him since 1985. Bhunte, where are you based now ? Egyptian Nights - Quel est eet homme ? - Ha ! C'est un bien grand talent, il fait de sa voix tout ce qu'il veut. - Il devrait, madame, s'en faire une culotte. 'Tell me, what were you playing at, While summer days were long ?' 'Why, in grasses tall I sat And sang my busy song.' 'You sang, you say ? How charming! Well, summer days are fled, And since your talents aren't for farming, you'd better dance instead !' Amarusataka Veda Niti Who needs the Gods ? Watch how she straddles her lover ! Her face breaks out in swaet smudging her dark mascara; her forest of black hair turns limp; the solid gold earrings swish back and forth even as her bright eyes flicker and grow dim. When you have her sweet face watching over you night and day, who needs the gods anyway ? |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 06-Aug-03 02:22 AM
Rendra dai, I asked your dear fren's bro, but he said he never heard Ranjeet Rana. Also, didn't find that name in SXS 1972-77 batch list. Lok Bhakta Rana, Arup, Rajeev Rajbhandari, etc. are in the list. Did you change your name in Australia? |
| rendra wasito | Posted
on 06-Aug-03 05:00 PM
Bhunteji, What is the point asking Arup's brother ? I had left STX in 1965 after too many TOORI TANOING by Moran, Thomas, and Xavier. Then beatings by Downing and Chambers. I was thee between 1960 and 1965. In my group were son of Laxmi Prasad Devkota named Padma. Then, Prem Nath Rimal and his brother Suraj Nath Rimal (both sons of the famous architect, who designed the Roayl Academic building), The only friend from that time I met in Australia inrecent times was my good friend now Doctor Deepak Pant (who did his PHD in GEO SCIENCE from Flinders University). He departed from Adelaide after doing post doctorate fellowship research (Adelaide University's Geology Deprt). If you know Pravin Raj and Pradip Pandey, they can verify the veracity of my claim. Both are the sons of my Guruju. They both were in Adelaide, Australia upto 1995 for business studies. Theirs' father was once Managing Director of the Bhaktapur Chinese Brick Factory. I beleive that they now have a joint ventrur with Chinese company manufacturing Chinese bricks in Nawal Parasi or somewhere around that area. I was at STX with Kishore Bickram Rana, Nepal Bhusan hand, Ravi Shamsher Jung bahadur Rana and his brother (deceased Bhaskar SJB Rana, who worked for Thai Airways), Gautam Shamsher Jung bahadur Rana now from Babar Mahal Revisited, Suraj Gauachan, Rajendra Shrestha (jailed for robbing a bank in the air port, who is a son of a rich Asan ko Sahu), Another , Rajendra Shrestha and his several brothers and migrated to USA (father was a medical doctor) and many many other characters. However, STX removed my photo from the school after making Tori Tano allegations to King Mahendra. All my records in that school was destroyed by the school. Royal Palace sent special investigators to sanitised all thing to do with me there at the request of Moran. My late father Brigadier General Pashupati SJB Rana was threatened by late King Mahendra's Military Secretary late General Malla (Shanta Kumar Malla's dad) and late Commander-in-Chief of Royal Nepal Army, General Surendra Chandra Shah (father of Chimpanzee Chandra "Panche" Shah) and Tin Pot Field Marshal of Royal Nepalese Army, Nir SJB Rana. That is truth of the events. After that I had life at former STX teacher, who opened an English School called St. Josephs again at Jawala Khel near Nara Dera or residence of Nara Shamsher in a Rana building. Then after that I went to Padma day High School and met old STX friends, as they did not make it to Godavari like Prem and Suraj Nath Rimal, Subodh Pal Singh, Jit Jung Thapa and much more. I had to struggle as my Nepalese was poor. Then, my father was posted to Nepal Ganj between 1970 and 1972. Went there in a local school called Narayan High School. My father was Commanding the Number Char Bahini. I still had problems with the Sanskrit. However, for SLC Kishore Rana, Subodh Pal and myself sat from Ananda Kuti and got very good marks. Then it was to Tri-Chandra College and met up with lots of old STX people. I did not finish my Bachelor of Science degree as I dropped out and joined the Hippies and danced around the discos like FOOT TAPPER and much more....tarvelled around Goa and allover....met my Oz lady and migrtaed to Australia in 1978 through marriage. Now does that satisfy you. Arup cannot tell you this as he has not seen me since 1976. Oh ! I forgot to tell you that I worked shortly for The Save The Children Fund in 1976 at Surkhet under Mike Prossor. I left the British The Save The Children Fund to join America Bi-centenial Expedition to Mt. Everest with my friend Johnathan Wright a photographer for US Geological Magazine. I did an extensive trek with him to Mt. Makalu base camp in 1977. Just before migrating to Australia, Iwas working for Yeti Travels with Madhukar SJB Rana, brother of Dr. Ajaya Rana and now at Sports Council. They all can verify that I was at STX. So much of bullshit.... As I said that establishment failed me and I am very bitter with the monarchy. I don't care about Surya bahadur Thapa....his son Sunil is married to my favorite cousin Sangeeta. Her partner at Shidartha Art Gallery in Babar Mahal Revisited, is non other than Ashutosh Tiwari's cousin. Tiwari is very loyal to the Jesuits for some dark ulterior reasons. I don't care about that stupid Chiran Shamsher Thapa....he marriedto my Auntie....Meena Thapa....her father late General Luxman was younger bro to my Grand pa late Genral Kalyan etc. General Luxman was father to Himalaya SJB Rana or Grand Pa to Sangeeta (as we call herThusi). Make you any happy....My other cousins are Sanjay Malla, Niraj Malla, Shahanz (married to Pilot Diwakar Sijapati) and much much more. Se Ya mate after you made me tell all this tall yarn after so many many years. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 06-Aug-03 05:54 PM
Wow, wow, wow!! rw jyu, (by the way, is this name derived from the Australian aborginal language?), you provide a key-hole view of the charmed circle of Kathmandu in the 1960s and 1970s. You have the kings, prime ministers, the Jesuits (both straight and a little bent, no?), hippies on high, flower children, and the privileged sons and daughters of Nepal's elites engaging in what they are best at: scandals and sex! You got the ideal dramatis personaes for a great story on Kathmandu's high society from a special era in Nepal's history. Ever thought of writing a novel on all this? I am sure it will be a great success. It could even go as a sequel to "The Mountain is Young." Hope you will share some of your recollections, mellowed with the advantage of hindsight from down under! SC, the occasional scandal monger |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 06-Aug-03 08:10 PM
Rendra daju, Oh hajur ta ekdam senior hunu hundo rahechha....bicharo tyo Rajaouriya Jr. lai ke tha ta...ani hajur Ananda Kuti bata SLC dinu bhayeko rahechha ta ani ma kasari SXS ko list ma fela paru ta...Anyway, glad to know more about you. Your experience and knowledge counts a lot to some of us....baru Ashu ji lai bhanda malai nai bug garnus na yedi yo bhai ko sallah mannu hunchha bhane...hajur feri Environmental field ma kam garnu bhayeko...what environment means for me is peace, tranquility, and harmony... |
| psychodreamer | Posted
on 06-Aug-03 08:22 PM
Rendra Wasito: Is Mahesh SJB Rana your Brother?? He used to go to Gyanodoya Bal batika( santa bhawan). IF you are then one time i had been to your house( little cottage by the old swimmin gpool where Tribhun used to come to swim re) with my Uncle. And then may be Sher Bhdr. Deuba ko wife must be your relative or something. I had heard about your father and one of his anti Mahendra article( if i recall correctly). Anyways peace out:) |