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| ashu |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 02:28 PM
This came to my email recently. The author's identity is being hidden for obvious reasons.
oohi
ashu
***************************
Hey Ashu.
I have been following the gbnc kurakani debates for a shockingly long period of time before I finally decided to post some ideas of my own as well ...
Anyway... here is a thought that I was going to post in response to some recent threads, but decided not to as it may encourage others to post under your name:
CONGRATULATIONS! You have managed to establish yourself as a brand name on the internet!
... or shall we say, "re-establish" after things went downhill on
scn? Anyway, keep it up. There are a lot of fresh faces in Boston who really appreciate your postings. Good job responding to a few jealous former roommates; they can't hit back if you respond with generosity.
On another note: I will be in Kathmandu between July 9 and 24. Do you have time to get together for a meal?
Take care.
[deleted]
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| BHUWAN P. |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 03:12 PM
Ashu:
What the heck are you trying to prove?? This is Internet MAN. Who knows and cares it came to your email not since you have deleted the author. My quesitons to you is " Why can't you just forget this topic and sometime shut your mouth? Why do you have to keep bringing this issue up and trying to prove yourself?" You are good at writing and bringing NEWS to us and we do apprecite it. Why are you so worried about what people think about you??
Sometime be cool and be happy man....
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| namita |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 03:43 PM
A Devotional Song Dedicated to Myself
(unlike 'a hundred devotional songs' by Tagore)
Oh, can't you see, don't you see?
Oooh la la la la
I am from Harvard
Do not forget
oooh la la la
I am kamiya's best friend
I am the supreme
the kurakani god
ow ow ow
oh can't you see, don't you see
I thrive..
(jiggle jiggle jiggle)
ooohh I am ashutosh tiwari
I am from HARVARD
I am the chap from St. Xavier
Xavier and Harvard
Master?? Or is it Miser???
OOhh tell me,please do tell me
If I am the misery....
Oh can't you see, don't you see?
lest you forget
I am the guy from HARVARD
ahhh Harvard
my mate, Harvard, yeess...
and the guy from SCN
the brand name
the "master discusser"
the supreme
the chat blaster....
a court jester...
ooooh, oooh oooh
la la la
la la la
I AM ASHUTOSH TIWARI
I AM, OH I AM
....and I never sleep.
(this line to be whispered in Nina Simon's voice, after the symbols and crashing of the drums)
ps i can go on and on but unlike some people I get exhausted talking about or just talking (to)myself.
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| kancha's fren |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 04:05 PM
great job namita,
hope your sweet poem makes this "SMART ASS" realize how annoying he is to all the users of this GBNC discussion site.
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| Dumb ass |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 04:15 PM
oh wise ashu you are the great!
glad to read that you are important
enough to be requested for a time for
lunch.
oh "gyani, bidwani" ashu why dont you make
your own discussion site and save us from
"ashu aatanka". whenever we feel like to gain some
knowledge we'll visit you.
thankyou
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| SILENT |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 04:22 PM
ENOUGH ALREADY !!!!!!!!!
WHY DON'T YOU GUYS GET YOU OWN STUPID SIGHT TO SPAR AGAINST EACH OTHER. jUST WHEN I THOUGHT IT WAS OVER HERE WE GO....
OLD HABBITS NEVER DIE. THIS JUST SHOWS ALL YOUR MENTALITY. REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU GOT YOUR EDUCATION. THIS IS WHY NEPAL NEVER GETS ANYWHERE(YOU KNOW IT). BUT YOU STILL INDULGE.
pLEASE DO NOT THROW STONES IF YOU LIVE IN THE GLASS HOUSE.
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| Mahesh |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 04:52 PM
Here we go Mr Smart Pants Mouthing off.
Your self elevation to that pedestal ain't worth a cows dung.
The reason people hate you ......its pretty obvious
ALLAH HO' ASHU, OR SHOULD i SAY ASHU HO'
YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN ALL THOSE GUYS YOU ARE BITCHING OFF ABOUT.
YOUR ETIQUECY IS WORSE THAN THAT OF A HO'.
i THINK YOU NEED TO GO SEE THERAPIST...
DO A WHOLE NEW SELF EVALUATION..
MAYBE GET A PET THAT WOULD LOATHE YOU EVEN IF YOU KICK IT AROUND
I could go on & on
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| sarki |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 05:36 PM
I 'm not a racist! But I never like Baun or Brahman or Pandit or Baaje. They're by birth (genetically) the most annoying, snobbish, cunningly clever, penny scrapper, opportunist and above all they have the biggest mouth. And a typical example is "Ass Toss Tiwari."
BTW, all the prime-ministers are Baun since we have democracy in 2046 BS. That's the another reason, we are always poor and country is underdeveloped. And look at the Baun, they're all over the places: leaders of ruling party, leaders of oppostion party. Even the Moa is lead by Baun.
The conclusion: " Baun baaje you suck!!!"
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| skm |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 05:41 PM
Dear sarki,
Go Man Go!!
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 05:59 PM
>I 'm not a racist! But I never like Baun or
>Brahman or Pandit or Baaje. They're by birth
>(genetically) the most annoying, snobbish,
>cunningly clever, penny scrapper,
>opportunist and above all they have the
>biggest mouth. And a typical example is "Ass
>Toss Tiwari."
WOWOWOWOWOWOOW.. and what does that above statement of your proves? It proves that you are a RACIST. Come on, be brave, admit it.
>BTW, all the prime-ministers are Baun since
>we have democracy in 2046 BS. That's the
>another reason, we are always poor and
>country is underdeveloped. And look at the
>Baun, they're all over the places: leaders
>of ruling party, leaders of oppostion party.
Go check your facts mr. I am (not) a racist, Surya Bahadur Thapa wasn't a bahun and he did become a PM after we had democracy in 2046. Before that, we had Marich Man.
> Even the Moa is lead by Baun.
>The conclusion: " Baun baaje you suck!!!
Very Funny, and what would you do if I say, "Sarki bhai, you suck big time".
Trailokya Aryal
PS- Atleast Bahun bajes are brave enough to post messages using their real names.
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| Sanjay |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 01:20 AM
Hey Guys with out knowing the facts don't jump into conclusions. I do not belive that Ashutosh Tiwari (the real one) was the one to post that message. Isn't it amazing that in this site we hardly find anyone supporting him. I think many people visit this site all time just to check what and when Ashutosh Tiwari posts something, so that they can write all kind of crap against it. We all know that this is the net and it is easy to post anything under anyone's name. only San bro can verify it and i think he should but who knows it is not hard to post stuff from Nepal either. Anyway some of you just need to grow up that is all.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 01:50 AM
Again, this is the real ashu.
I notice that our Somerville-based nakkali ashu posted his "brand name" message at 2:28 pm Boston time . . . by that time, the truth be known, the real ashu was soundly asleep at his home
in Kathmandu. :-)
Then again, being an optimist, I think that having a few enemies who post frequently under various names and various typefaces
to show the one-sided "look, how the whole world is against Ashutosh Tiwari" is an excellent training for me or anyone
else to eventually go on to take bold, unpopular and
ultimately fruitful-to-all decisions.
Writing/expressing your thoughts in public and taking responsibilities for them are NEVER easy; so, why should
I expect a painless reception? :-)
oohi
ashu
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| Reetu |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 09:12 AM
here in boston has a great site for discussion on the net is a splendid for all of us. i have not seen any other nepalese web site can have parity with this web. i personally thank you for your time and effort. but, people are fighting for nothing on the net who has extraordinary effort. could you please look at those nasty stuffs at postings then delete them? it would be great for rest of people who do not want to even read their funny arguments. san, it is just a thought and request.
Reetu...
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| PDK |
Posted
on 05-Jul-01 09:30 AM
**Very Funny, and what would you do if I say, "Sarki bhai, you suck big time".**
Mr Trailokya,
What makes you think that Sarki is a bhai and not a dai? Just because he calls himself sarki doesn't mean that he can only get that kind of respect from you. (Unless you know him personally).
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| sally |
Posted
on 05-Jul-01 10:16 AM
And why not didi or bahini?
And why do we even assume that "Sarki" is really a Sarki?
It would certainly be interesting to hear from an actual dalit who can write in English, have access to a computer, and yet can also comment on the experience of discrimination in the contemporary world. I think such a discussion would show the very real complexities of the issue.
Btw, thanks Biswo for your eloquent response to anti-Bahun sentiment. I'm thinking of the posting where you noted that discrimination in Nepal these days has more to do with access to power, especially through relatives, than last name. Precisely. The vast majority of ALL Nepalis face a brick wall of discrimination and lack of opportunity.
And while it may be true that Bahuns are over-represented in the power structure, remember, Pahadia Bahuns are the second-largest population group in Nepal. If being born a Bahun was some kind of inroad to success, believe me, there'd be a lot fewer people in Nepal carrying dokos, scrubbing toilets in the houses of rich people, driving trucks, suffering in Indian brothels, and so on.
Life may well be hardest for dalits, but life is hard for almost all Nepalis. That's the sad truth. Hence, the current political crisis.
Meanwhile I noted in Reetu's clip on the protest arrests that one person arrested was a Sijapati (Chhetri) and another was a Bahun, I think. A lot of good people really do care about this issue, regardless of their last names.
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| chicago |
Posted
on 05-Jul-01 11:16 AM
It is enough! KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT OFF AND WRITING OFF!!
No matter who you guys are, whoever you are - Bahun, Chhetri, Sarki, Newar. This is NOT good way go after each other. After all, We are all Nepalese, from same country. Think yourselves, if somebody from the world notiched this kind of Freaky, Crazy-ness, what they feel, what they think. The country's image is already in bad shape since murder of Royal Families and couple of other terrorist work happend in the country. Do you guys still want to keep more worst shape in front of world? Want to recognized as TERRORIST ? MOASIST ? RACIST ?? POOREST ??
STOP IT. Come to the point. Keep the chapter close.
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| sally |
Posted
on 05-Jul-01 11:40 AM
Dear Chicago,
I don't think discussing things is the same as going after each other.
I certainly didn't intend my comments to be going after anyone. The issue of discrimination in Nepal, and the complexities of the way it is constituted, does seem to be an important topic. It's certainly one that comes up all the time in our living rooms. Why not here--as long as people remain respectful and non-bigoted in their comments?
Given that yesterday was the 4th of July, I'd like to point out that the US--whatever its (many) flaws--was created precisely because the power structure as it existed in the 1770s was analyzed and criticized. And open criticism of the power structure has been one of the ongoing elements of American life.
Please don't worry about Nepal being publically embarrassed by that might be said during open discussion. Every country has its problems, and brushing them under the rug doesn't do anything to improve that country's image (or, more importantly, life in that country) in the long run.
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| skm |
Posted
on 05-Jul-01 04:40 PM
We can always keep our mouth shut but our thoughts that come to our heads. We can stop writing those thoughts but can't help having them. Racist, not racist, Maoist, non Maoist, can we really stop what we think whether we write them or not?!
How often we evaluate or re-evaluate our thoughts and keep our tongue in-check? When we are with our keen and friends in a room, we tend to categorize human being into one form or other. If not brahmin, chhetri, vaishya, sudra, it could very well be men, women, gore, kale… whatever. Let's face it we are human and we are prejudice against one thing or other, one group or other (except few of you super human beings and enlightened ones).
I would like to mention two events that occured recently, made me think and re-evaluate myself regarding prejudices.
Event I
In a dinner party this Nepali gentleman, Newar by caste, Professor (in some American university) by vocation, spoke candidly about the racism in the United States and communal prejudices back home. How the people other than white became the victim of this colour coordinated society; how he personally have to prove his worth in the classroom as well as in the faculty, blah blah blah…. I must admit this intellectual activist and his outspoken-ness impressed me. He was talking in a room full of white (p.c. Caucasian) and non-white friends and coulegues. Out of some sort of gratitude, and being Nepali, I offered him to give a tour of the city next day.
We were in down town talking about racism again. All of a sudden he gasped "Oh my! HOPSEE" and pulled my arm and dragged me across the street. I was shocked and puzzled. I managed to look at the hopsee he was talking about, who looked couple of shades lighter than our intellectual activist. So much for the non-racism.
I wondered, if he realized that he had just contradict himself in a big way. It is so easy to be rightegious all we want but in practice we often fail to walk our talk. What do I make out of his comment? My respect and impression him dove down like a shooting star.
Event II
Went to a dinner at a friends house who is married to an American and she is brahmin herself. One of the guests brought his parents who were also brahmin. At the dinner, they were not eating anything. Later someone explained to me that they won't eat food cooked by other than Brahmin.
Hum… Did anyone bother by this? I wondered. Could these parents just take some food out of respect to the host and not eat them and become so obvious in front of everyone. Could these politically correct intellectuals prep their parents from such embarassment? Or is this an embarassment at all or just superiority complex. Seems like everybody accepted it without any question. Of course, we are not going to question their attitude. For one they are brahmin, two they are old and not going to change now, three we Nepali don't question our elders' beheviour…etc. etc. Does having these questions make me racist toward brahmin?
Well my dear Nepali Bandhus & Bandhunis (is this the femenine from? I didn't want to exclude anybody) how could we change our prejudices? They are imbeded on us. Growing up we osomosized them. We grew with them. Of course it can be controlled but getting rid of it all together is one heck of an up hill battle for a simple person like me. In what extend, we can stretch the prejudices and when do these becomes racism? Where do we draw the line?
I am glad sarki-jyu provoked the subject on his non-racist way. He wrote what came to his mind (perhaps). If we can say these things in our drawing rooms or have thoughts, why can't we express here in this open-minded web-site? Just because sarki-jyu's comments sounds racist to you can't throw obseneties at him and be a brave brahmin.
Manu to Chadkya most of the porwerful people in our side of the history (myth mingled together) were brahmin other than the ruling class. They have influenced the rulling party as well as the general public and have been the priviledged one. Of course there are plenty of poor brahmin who are not so well off. At times to have such negetive communal feeling towards the affluent class is natural. Mind you, I am not avocating the negetive feelings, I am just stating the facts.
I don't have supporting facts, but I was told before Manu people's castes were determined my their work and can switch their caste according to their work, knowledge, and educaton. I would like to go back on time and turn all the pundits out there into brahmin inspite of your current Jaat and all the Indian-resturant Nepali worker you will be lower caste for serving others even you are so called upper caste. And Manu can go to…wherever he wants.
To me the real lower-caste in Nepal is the Women. No matter what caste or class they are from they all fall under the lowest of low.
(Pleas feel free to edit while reading)
sincerely,
skm
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| Reetu |
Posted
on 05-Jul-01 05:15 PM
I am enjoyed reading the writing of skm.
Reetu...
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 05-Jul-01 09:55 PM
>
>I am glad sarki-jyu provoked the subject on
>his non-racist way.
Dear SKM JYU dai daju/didi
I think that's enough respect.
What do you eman by
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 05-Jul-01 10:05 PM
>>
>>I am glad sarki-jyu provoked the subject on
>
>his non-racist way.
>
>Dear SKM JYU dai daju/didi
>
>I think that's enough respect.
>
>What do you mean by his "non-racist way"? Please go back and read his post carefully and tell me what/which part of his post made you think that his post was "non-racist" one?
Plus, there's a vast difference in saying things in one's living room and saying things in PUBLIC forums like this. While speaking/writing at any public forum one has to be sensetive of other people's feelings. One can't just present the things as he/she would do in his/her living room.
Plus, racial/ethnic discrimination in Nepal is not only limited to bahuns vs other groups. If you look around then you'lkl find that almost every ethnic group in nepal has its own hierachy chart, and those who fall in the lower starta, they are discriminated against by the member of their own ethnic group.
For example, in newar society, there is a priestly class of Shrestha/Pradhan etc, and there is a shalmi class. And marriages between these two class is very rare, even though they both belong to the same newar community.
Even the Gurung society has its own social hierarchy. There are 4thares and there are 16 thares. And the marriages between the 4thares and 16thares is very rare.
I admit that our's is a highly startified society, and we need to change that. However, posting messages in this board is not going to solve anything, or is it? Instead we should go back to nnepal and start a social revolution, within or own group. Then only things will improve.
So, its really sad to see, that highly educated nepalis who come to this board, only genaralize bahuns as racists and what not. Its not fair. Go look around, look in your own community, then come back and refute my arguments. I challenge everyone for this and if a single person comes up to me and say, there's no discrimination in my group/society, I would be more than happy to accept my "intellectual" deafeat.
Trailokya
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 05-Jul-01 10:34 PM
Now to answer some of the allegations against me:
1- Throwing obsenities at Mr. Sarki-dai/daju/didi/bahini/bhai jyu doesn't make me a brave bahun.
I admit. Throwing obscenities doesn't make anyone brave, but where did I do it? In my previous reply to Mr. Sarki dai/daju/bhai/didi/bahini-JYU, I merely told him that he SUCKS (not the whole sarki community) to his "bahun bajes you all suck".If he can go on to say that whole of my community SUCKS, then, I have every RIGHT to tell him that the way he presented his views SUCKED and for presenting things in such a way, makes him a SUCKER, which proves my statement, that he sucks big time.
2-Why not dai, or didi/bahini?
-Because, I consider him immature who does not know how to present his/her views effectively. He is free to express his views but that has to be done in a DECENT manner. And expressing things decently develops with the age. Since, I did not find his posting very decent, I thought him as someone younger to me, and I used Sarki Bhai.
Trailokya
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| Reetu |
Posted
on 05-Jul-01 10:36 PM
hi aryal ji,
let's be specific because you want to hide the truth which literally immorality of "bahun" in that extremely back ward society. i want to spell it once again that truth can not be suppressed. personally, i do not have any difference with any "bahun" and honestly i had many friends "bahun" at the time of marching on the street for demanding democracy. i have been student politics when i was doing master's in TU, kathmandu. at the same time, being isolated because of not being a bahun, we couple of fellow political members get different dinning table for lunch mostly when we had early meeting in the morning. it is not just because of large number of people but the ethnicity and lower caste. it was a "tito yetharth" which i felt. so, i humbly request you to appreciate those "tito yetharth haroo" and learn to treat people as a human being whatever caste or back ground he or she has. it is not racism. please try to understand. how do you say about a character in ramayen named "karna" who had been treated badly because of blaming him as a sudra?
Reetu...
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 05-Jul-01 10:46 PM
>hi aryal ji,
>
>let's be specific because you want to hide
>the truth which literally immorality of "
>bahun" in that extremely back ward society.
What? I am not hiding the fact but presenting the facts. Please read the post carefully, then we can have some meaningful discussion--without trying to show each other down--in this board. Simply, blaming bahuns for everything that goes on in Nepal is not fair.
>i want to spell it once again that truth can
>not be suppressed.
I am not trying to suppress the truth here.
personally, i do not have
>any difference with any "bahun" and honestly
>i had many friends "bahun" at the time of
>marching on the street for demanding
>democracy. i have been student politics when
>i was doing master's in TU, kathmandu. at
>the same time, being isolated because of not
>being a bahun, we couple of fellow political
>members get different dinning table for
>lunch mostly when we had early meeting in
>the morning.
I am really sorry that it happened to you, but why did not you STAND up and SAY, hey I am your class-mate/collegue, and I need to talk to you guys. If someone had protested against that. Why didn't you do it?
> so, i humbly request you to appreciate
>those "tito yetharth haroo" and learn to
>treat people as a human being whatever caste
>or back ground he or she has.
Reetu ji, I understand what you mean by Titi yethartha and I admit that things aren't very good in Nepal for people who belong to various ethnic groups. And FYI, I treat everyone equally.
it is not
>racism. please try to understand. how do you
>say about a character in ramayen named "
>karna" who had been treated badly because of
>blaming him as a sudra?
>
>Reetu...
???? Anyway, karna is a character of Mahabharat, not Ramayan. And again, FYI< even though Karna was from what is considered a low-group by many mebers of our nepali society, he did participate in the war of Mahabharat.
Trailokya
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| Reetu |
Posted
on 05-Jul-01 10:57 PM
aryal ji,
thanks for making correction on the posting...
ramayen or mahabharat whatever, there are plenty of scenarios of dicriminations, no one loves it except...... those people.
Reetu...
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 05-Jul-01 10:59 PM
>aryal ji,
>
>thanks for making correction on the posting..
>.
>
>ramayen or mahabharat whatever, there are
>plenty of scenarios of dicriminations, no
>one loves it except...... those people.
>
>Reetu...
Now, could you please be more specific and write who those people are?
Trailokya
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| PDK |
Posted
on 05-Jul-01 11:32 PM
>-Because, I consider him immature who does
>not know how to present his/her views
>effectively. He is free to express his views
>but that has to be done in a DECENT manner.
>And expressing things decently develops with
>the age. Since, I did not find his posting
>very decent, I thought him as someone
>younger to me, and I used Sarki Bhai.
>
>Trailokya
Mr Trailokya,
Not necessarily is a person younger than you if he/she cannot write in good english as the way you can. You do not know how effectively Girija can write his views to you but if he did write in not so decent manner, you cannot say that he is younger than you. Jaatibaad is going on, but "sano lai hochhyayera bolne" is also going on. You do not want to admit that it was your "remark" to Sarki by calling him/her sarki bhai. So the point once again is that it is wrong of you to assume that someone who posts in not so good english as you can, does not have to be younger than you.
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 05-Jul-01 11:41 PM
Very good points Mr/Ms PDK dai/daju/bhai/didi/bahini-JYU,
If you go back and check my previous postings, then you'll see that I am always respectful to my fellow posters. i either address them ji/jyu or dai. But for that, they have to make me say that: That they have to be respectful of their fellow posters. Now, your hero Mr Sarki dai/daju/didi/bahini/bhai jyu posted his views in such a way that it failed to yield any respect from me. If he had presented his views effectively, without being harsh, then I would have reciprocated, but he did not and I did not feel obliged to address him dai. I only use dai to people whom I have a lot of respect; people who can present their views effectively and to people who I find are older than me, who have enough MATURITY to post sensible stuff.
Unfortunately, your hero lacked all that!
Trailokya
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 05-Jul-01 11:55 PM
another message to PDK dai/daju/didi/bahini/bhai-Ji/Jyu,
I think your hero Sarki dai/daju/bhai/didi/bahini-Jyu/Ji, had a very good command of English and he could have posted his view in a decent manner.
Trailokya
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| diwas k |
Posted
on 06-Jul-01 01:38 AM
And who exactly would set the rules for "decency".... Trailokya ji? Or is it going to be oh-so-politically correct ijjat_sensitive upper classes or the common woman and man on the street irrespective of castes... who still share the same feeling, but have other things to do than to follow along the lines of "sarki".. not out of choice ... _Diwas
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| skm |
Posted
on 06-Jul-01 01:44 AM
I truly love this site. We started with Ashu and going on somewhere else.
Trailokya-jyu,
I guess you just skip through what I wrote. I gave two scenarios where one was Newar and the other was Brahmin. I can list all char barna, chhattis jaati here and go on and on. However, nobody has either patience or time.
First of to answer few of your concerns(?)
1. What do you mean by his "non-racist way"?
I am sure you have heard of word "sarcasm". Of course, he sounds racist. You know back in Nepal while growing up I often heard this "Newar (or any particular group of people) are so this and that. However, that doesn't mean I hate them. So and so is Newar and he/she is my friend". Or in American context, "Oh I don't discriminate against black, I have a black friend." Are you just focusing on what other have written against Brahmin or are you looking at the big picture here?
2. Plus, there's a vast difference in saying things in one's living room and saying things in PUBLIC forums like this. While speaking/writing at any public forum, one has to be sensitive of other people's feelings. One can't just present the things as he/she would do in his/her living room.
As I started my paragraph with - " We can always keep our mouth shut but our thoughts that come to our heads. We can stop writing those thoughts but can't help having them. " Yes, we don't say certain things on PUBLIC forums like THIS, where people can write swear words and foul languages. I have been reading this forum for sometime now. I am not just pointing out the work "suck". Give me a break. It is fine to write some egotistical self-praise but not some "sensitive issues" that touches certain groups. Maybe I am treating this forum like my living room. Excuse me for existing and having not very nice and sensitive thoughts.
3. So, its really sad to see, that highly educated nepalis who come to this board, only genaralize bahuns as racists and what not. Its not fair.
As I said earlier, I gave two different situations where one concerns Newar the other Brahmin. Trailokya-jyu life is not fair. Life is not fair for all the women who are used, abused, discriminated, battered and ruined. Life is not fair for the underage house servants in Nepal or carpet weavers. Life is not fair for the Kamaiya. Life is not fair for the Dalits. Life is not fair. But when it comes to the intellectual who visits this site who happens to be Brahmin life is not fair at all. Oh! "Some animals are more equal than other" like George Orwell says.
What I would like to say is, we mortals have all the limitations that exists. Yes, we are prejudice one way or the other. (Just the professor I wrote about. He was pissed at the system here and felt discriminated because of what he is. But he turns the corner and does the same mistake that he has been pointing out to others). We say things some time to hurt others and sometime it just comes out unintentionally. We are a product of our own society. One has to try very hard to stand up to one's belief. We are someone else in our living room and someone else in public world. Moreover, what does that makes us? A hypocrite.
Trailokya-jyu, mend your chipped shoulder.
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 06-Jul-01 02:24 AM
Diwas ji,
Its not me who defines decency. But, there are certain etiquetttes that one has to follow while writing/saying things in public. I wonder whether you would have kept your mouth shut if I had posted something deregatory to your whole group?
Diwas jyu, just to let you know one thing, I admit that there is much discrimination in nepal and I agree that Sarki is right, but I did NOT like the way in which he wrote that. That was being really racist. NOW YOU TELL ME WHO IS A RACIST!
Trailokya
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 06-Jul-01 02:28 AM
Dear SKM JYU,
I admit that life is not fair.
But who is to be blamed? ME, the whole of bahun community? It is all right to point one particular person and based on the evidence, blame certain things on him/her, but how can you blame the whole community? Can you? That's why i am protesting against what Mr Sarki dai/daju/bhai/didi/bahini wrote.
Trailokya
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| Reetu |
Posted
on 06-Jul-01 08:07 AM
hi trailokya sarki,
i respect every one no matter who you are, but i wanna spell you at this time "trailokya sarki", your parents may get sick giving this name to you but you are strong enough. do you mind?
Reetu...
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| Bagdogra |
Posted
on 06-Jul-01 10:12 AM
No offense here but I do think that everybody who is concerned about Racism should take my grandmother and Darjeeling as an example.
My grandmother was a bahun (from Okhaldhunga - for those of you people who think all Darjeeling people are kamis and damais and those of you who think Darjeeling people just sprouted out like mushrooms from the ground - Ravi Bista was heard quoting "all black people are sub-humans and all darjeeling people are kamis and damais" - so much for his education!!!)and her daughters except one were all married to non-bahuns. This is what she said when asked by a neighbour what she thought of the intermarriages - as long as I know they're happy and respected, it doesn't bother me who they marry and THIS coming from a woman who could hardly count!
For starters, lets admit this, all of us Nepalese are racists in one way or another. BUT that does not mean we cannot better ourselves and with all our education and experiences realize that there is NO jatt!! Just good people and bad people. And where do good people and bad people stem from??? THEIR PARENTS...
So lets just make sure that our children don't inherit the racist part of our culture.
AMEN
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| sally |
Posted
on 06-Jul-01 10:52 AM
Exactly.
My observation has been that open-mindedness has little to do with caste, education, or even whether people are culturally conservative in one way or another.
It's sad, for instance, that the Bahun parents who went to SKM's friend's party (if I have that right) wouldn't eat the food. Naturally I've seen that sort of thing. But I've also seen conservative, not-very-educated, older generation, upadhyay Bahuns happily and graciously eating veggies, rice with ghiu, and other kinds of food from the hands of so-called "lower-caste" people.
Some people manage to practice their culture and change at the same time. Is it nature or nurture? Probably both, but at any rate, we have control over two factors in this mix: upbringing (as parents), and culture (as participants in a society).
In the meantime, we need to recognize that you CAN'T tell someone's tolerance level or nature or opinions by their name or appearance. You can only tell it by GETTING TO KNOW THEM. Which, of course, is one despicable thing about the whole caste culture ... it keeps people from getting to know each other as human beings, instead of as stereotypes.
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 06-Jul-01 03:02 PM
Dear Reetuji,
I am not offended at all.
Trailokya
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| GR Bhattarai |
Posted
on 06-Jul-01 03:15 PM
Hi all,
Recently, I read a nobel related to this socio-politico-cultural-economic issue of dalit/poor/uppercast/police/maoist/neta and what not. You might find it interesting to read if you have access to it. It is
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| GR Bhattarai |
Posted
on 06-Jul-01 03:21 PM
There seems some error in posting. The whole text could not be seen. The full text follows:
Recently, I read a nobel related to this socio-politico-cultural-economic issue of dalit/poor/uppercast/police/maoist/neta and what not. You might find it interesting to read if you have access to it. It is Junkiriko Sangit by Khagendra Sangraula. The nobel is written in geographical context of Parwat and Baglung districts. It covers issues of dalit vs dalit vs non-dalit, poor vs rich, social workes vs thute neta vs rebels and so on. May be you will see a picture in the mirror - in author's own terminology - Simgrang Gaunko Aina
Gandhi
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| skm |
Posted
on 06-Jul-01 05:10 PM
Dear Trailokya-Jyu,
Next time just SKM will do.
NO I do not blame Brahman for everything that went wrong society. As I often mentioned that we human are product of our own society, and even we don't like to say or act certain way we do subconcisously. That was the reason I said that Sarki had provoked the issue. To be aware of our actions, and thoughts are very important for us human to learn and excel. We can talk the talk but lets try to walk our talk.
I just remember something…
While growing up how we heard labelling all jaat…
If someone acts greedy - Kasto bahun jasto
If someone is dirty - Katsto Bhote jasto
If someone is quarrelsome - Katsto Kami, Damai jasto
If someone acts partial to their kind - Kasto Newar jasto
If someone is little mean - Kasto sarki jasto
Probably these cover the basic Jaat.
Again, I don't blame anyone. If I want to blame someone then that will be the Manu. He really restricted women's power then, hampered the development of women in every area, and hence messed up the twenty first-century women's lib.
Sincerely,
skm
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| Reetu |
Posted
on 06-Jul-01 11:36 PM
hi my fellow members of anti discrimination activities on the net,
let me tell you something,
>I just remember something…
>
>While growing up how we heard labeling all
>jaat…
>
>If someone acts greedy - Kasto bahun jasto
>If someone is dirty - Katsto Bhote jasto
>If someone is quarrelsome - Katsto Kami,
>Damai jasto
>If someone acts partial to their kind -
>Kasto Newar jasto
>If someone is little mean - Kasto sarki
>jasto
>
>Probably these cover the basic Jaat.
you may heard these stuffs absolutely, but only bahuns are greedy? not others? only bhote are dirty? not others? only kamis are quarrelsome? not others? only newars are acts partial? not others? and only sarkis do little mean?
you are trying to emerge the discrimination among the ethnicity. what sarki does little mean? do not bahuns, newars and other people do as same as sarki? so, you have to look at yourself what you do.
my concerning on this topic is basically we people have to speak up for social justice and humanity in practical. we all have some sort of pain of discrimination and
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| Reetu |
Posted
on 06-Jul-01 11:48 PM
i tried to avoid the difficulties for posting still i could not avoie it.. it is happening most of posters. san, could you please take care of it? it is my request, what is the possible solution for it?
Reetu...
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| GP |
Posted
on 12-Jul-01 04:41 AM
reetu wrote:
>personally, i do not have
>any difference with any "bahun" and honestly
>i had many friends "bahun" at the time of
>marching on the street for demanding
>democracy. i have been student politics when
>i was doing master's in TU, kathmandu. at
>the same time, being isolated because of not
>being a bahun, we couple of fellow political
>members get different dinning table for
>lunch mostly when we had early meeting in
>the morning.
It seems to me you are talking things, in TU
at the time my Father might be BA student there.
When I was intermediate student, I had two
Kami (they wrote Biswokarma) good friends.
When I met first time them, in the Hostel
Mess, I surely felt some uneasy, as I did
not have such experience before, surely,
I had pariyar friend in primary schools.
Being classmate and goodfriend, we started
sharing the same table and finally, we had
forgotten which JAAT we belonged. Now, I
even share foods with JUTHHO spoon with all
kinds of peoples, not only of same jaat,
same religion, but, all also all colors,
all religion. Now a days, I have hard time
differentiating juthho and non-juthho. It
creates trouble to me when someone conservative
nepali comes to my apartment for dinner. Wow,
I have to sometime pretend that I am the same
bahun in the same era as I was borned and avoid
my juthho spoon does not sink inside the big bowl,
such that the guest does not reject to take food.
I had a hardtime about 3years back, when I met a
great Nepali govt. officer in a dinner. Wow, he
was so strict vega. that he asked me to confirm whether
there are ..... . . . .. inside the kitchen. Such
people do exist, if given enough exposer, they will
realize the "Bahun" Badge is not such a great pride
to move in this age. Its a pride to only those who
do not have anything to show to peoples. In fact,
they are really poor and lower caste when we view
from outside the Bahun-caste. Today, the majority
in the world lies outside the so called Bahuns,
therefore, they are approaching to real lower
caste in world perspective. The conventional
Bahuns will be outnumbered within Nepal too.
I feel so.
GP
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| Racist |
Posted
on 12-Jul-01 01:43 PM
GP's is a good example
Bahuns even after coming to US(Free country) would not steer away from their Bahun nature. 'When in Rome you do as the Romans do'. But noooo Bahuns have to stick to their discriminative nature. I don't understand why they have to be this way(like they are better than the rest).
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| God |
Posted
on 12-Jul-01 02:27 PM
Zapped./////
Whoosh. Poof. Do you see the smoke? That is the remains of Racist.
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| Racist |
Posted
on 12-Jul-01 03:59 PM
But Just like Jesus...
I'M BAAAAACK. ZAP ME AGAIN GOD.
LET ME FEEEEL THAT CHIRUNT CURRANT.
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| keta |
Posted
on 12-Jul-01 04:22 PM
Sally,
Mind your own business.
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| sita |
Posted
on 12-Jul-01 04:27 PM
I thinki Trailokya and Reetu should marry. Mr. T is bahun and Ms R is Newar. Good match good match. Show all other newar and bahun discriminators that we rock. hahaha
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| kira |
Posted
on 12-Jul-01 04:31 PM
diwas_k,
if you don't have the voice to change others, change yourself. What a better place to start. Than slowly everything will fall onto its place. (Using someones cell phone without the ownners permission is being a scoundrel btw)
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| sally |
Posted
on 12-Jul-01 05:18 PM
Keta,
What the heck are you talking about?????????
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