| Username |
Post |
| ashu |
Posted
on 03-Jul-01 11:29 PM
San,
This is the real ashu posting from Nepal, as you
can verify ALL of my poostings from my IP address.
I see it to my perplexity and shock
that someone else here is even going to the
extent of posting stuff in my own name,
in an obvious effort to humiliate me and
discredit me so as to paint me as this
negative character and that.
I guess, attacking the REAL Ashutosh Tiwari
with a "look how pathetic guy is" subtext,
that too in his own "ashu" name, is what my
attackers NOW want to do.
What can I say?
Thanks, guys, for realizing that you can never
discredit me using somew other names so thta
you now have to post struff in my own name!! :-)
I am, of course, referring here to that
"brand name" posting, which I, the REAL
Ashutosh Tiwari, did NOT post from Nepal
or from anywhere else. This is the simple
truth. I am as surprised/shocked
to read that in my name here as anyone
else.
To visitors to this Web site, here is what
I'd like to say to you: You well know that
I like to praise my friends and celebrate their
achievements in public, and, yes, I remain
pretty self-confident about my whatever
achievments.
But there is never any reason for me
to sing my own praise in public.
I also realize that my Yahoo account has been
hacked, and that that is NOT the first time
that has happened.
You know, I love that movie "The Fugitive",
especially the Harrison Ford character.
With Dr. Gongal's urging us young people to be
patient and the Ford character's cool, methodical
and unruffled act of getting what he
wanted, I remain inspired -- to wait years
and years for the truth to come out.
To my friend who did send me that email,
my sincere apologies for any embarrasment
it caused you. You well know that I lack the
poor judgment to post that here.
San, any chance I can register "ashu"
or "ashutosh tiwari" here so that ONLY I
can continue posting stuff here in that name?
This way, our visitors are NOT deliberately
misled by anyone else's "let's discredit
this Tiwari guy" postings that appear
in my name?
This way, my attackers would still be free to attack
me (and I wish them well!) while my right to post stuff
would also be protected too. What do you think?
oohi
ashu
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| ashu |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 12:17 AM
San,
With your permission, and to keep the integrity of this
site alive and well, I'd like to reserve for myself
these three login names to this GBNC site:
"ashu"
"ashutosh tiwari"
"oohi ashu"
This way, my attackers -- whose well-documented
genetic inheritance makes them do all these
things -- will STILL be free to attack me, but at
least NOT they's be using OTHER names and not
my own name.
I well remember, San, how you too had been attacked
by your enemies using your own name on some
site a few years ago. So, you can well emphathize
with what I am talking about.
I, for one, will NOT stop posting interesting stuff here
in my onw real name just because of these stupid
attacks.
oohi
ashu
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 12:18 AM
Ashu:
I don't know whatever happened to you. I am ambivalent about this
yet another 'whodunit', but this is a very scandalous news. If I
have to believe your statement, then obviously the poster who
posted that 'Brand Name' stoopped too low.
From my perspective, since you are disowning the posting, it is
very important recantation. If you say 'I didn't post that
material', then it is tantamount to saying 'I'm sorry' even if
you have posted that posting. But if you really didn't post
that, then obviously you deserve sympathy from all of us.
If you are true, then I think this episode is very pathetic,
condemnable and unsuitable to educated Nepalis.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 12:33 AM
Yes, Biswo,
This is again, the real ashu posting from Nepal. (San,
please see my IP address).
I AM indeed saying FOUR things:
1. Yes, I am DISOWNING that "brand name" posting altogether
because I, the real Ashutosh Tiwari, did not post it here.
2. My Yahoo account to which my Harvard-based emails
come has been hacked into, and this is the FOURTH
time this has happened in the last two years.
3. My attackers, based in (where else but)
Somerville -- are FREE to attack me in
public/private any time . . . either in
their own names or in some OTHER names.
I defend the right my attackers to attack me.
4. But I also defend my right to post stuff here. So,
a compromise could be: allowing only me to post stuff
in my own name . . . that way, whether I post
brilliant stuff or bad stuff, only the real me
would take all the blame/praise.
After all, there may be several Ashutosh Tiwaris in the
world, but we all know that only this real Ashutosh Tiwari
from Nepal regularly posts stuff here.
My regards to their fathers.
oohi
ashu
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 12:41 AM
Hi all,
Instead of registering name, why not show the IP address along with the message, so we know who is posting messages in this board and from where.
Just a thought.
Thanks
Trailokya
PS- I also think that whoever posted that "brand name" message using ashu's name stooped very low.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 01:02 AM
I don't support showing IP Address, because there will neither
privacy nor secrecy in such situation.
I think if somebody wants to register a name, that should be
fine. The policy is not to make people compulsory to register
the name,but if someone wants to register a name, I think that
should be ok. I don't see anything wrong in this proposal.
Differences asides, I agree on his request. Even if he posted
garbages , he posted on his own name. We are free and liberal
people here. We shouldn't be prejudiced against any one, and
we should give every person his right to post and present his
case here.Even if Ashu thinks he has been a 'brandname', let us
make arrangment for him to get his 'patent right' here. It will
be upto Ashu to prove that.
Let us make this environment clean and healthy by making an
environment in which no person can be muffled. After the demise
of scn , (I am totally unaware of scn), we should learn not to
implode ourselves by internecine bickering. Otherwise, nepali
community in USA will have to wait for another sajhaa chautari
to vent our feelings whenever something happens in our country.
It is not good to look for another sponsor company, another
hardworking webmaster, and other community people. Let's regulate
this site from now on.
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 01:14 AM
>I don't support showing IP Address, because
>there will neither
>privacy nor secrecy in such situation.
What privacy/secrecy Biswoji? This is a no-nonsense board and I think people who post messages here are mature enough and brave enough to take responsibilities for their actions/words, so I don't see any reason why you are opposed to showing IP address? (unless you yourself post messages under various names, i don't see any reason why you should be concerned about displaying IP along with the message)
>
>I think if somebody wants to register a name,
> that should be
>fine. The policy is not to make people
>compulsory to register
>the name,but if someone wants to register a
>name, I think that
>should be ok. I don't see anything wrong in
>this proposal.
me neither.
>Differences asides, I agree on his request.
>Even if he posted
>garbages , he posted on his own name. We are
>free and liberal
>people here. We shouldn't be prejudiced
>against any one, and
>we should give every person his right to
>post and present his
>case here.Even if Ashu thinks he has been a '
>brandname', let us
>make arrangment for him to get his 'patent
>right' here. It will
>be upto Ashu to prove that.
That's what we all should do. Take responsibilities for our words.
>
Let's regulate
>this site from now on.
but, how?
Trailokya
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| ashu |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 01:17 AM
Again, this is the real ashu posting from Nepal
(I am beginning to like this "real ashu" phrase!).
For the record, I do NOT consider myself a "brand name".
But, yes, I am passionate about bringing about
ultimately positive changes in everything I am
involved in -- with all my energy and my whatever
resources. I am also aware that getting attacked
and criticized and publicly vilified by known
and unknown attackers are stuff one has to learn
to deal with if one wants to take bold public
stands on anything.
I am proud to be associated with San and Company here
on this site, and happy to be doing my bit to let
ideas/thoughts and criticisms flow FREELY here. It's
great to see this many people here now MINUS of course
Siddarth and Dr. Jai Maharaj :-)
If some of my attackers want to discredit me, well,
more power to them. For that, they are FREE to either
use their own names or some other names.
I reserve the right to use my own name to say both
brilliant stuff and stupid stuff so that I alone
be judged from the quality of my postings. It's
as simple as that.
The gang in Somerville is desperate, isn't it?
oohi
ashu
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 01:47 AM
>I don't support showing IP Address, because
>there will neither
>privacy nor secrecy in such situation.
>What privacy/secrecy Biswoji? This is a no-nonsense board and I
>think people who post messages here are mature enough and brave
>enough to take responsibilities for their actions/words, so I
>don't see any reason why you are opposed to showing IP address?
>(unless you yourself post messages under various names, i don't
>see any reason why you should be concerned about displaying IP
>along with the message)
My point is : by IP you can find out which computer was used to
post. One university can have hundreds of computers in a lab,
and also tens of nepali student. Just by getting such IP address
we don't know anything. Also, a person can go to a cybercafe,
and use proxy servers to delude other people. If people are
desperate , they can do anything.
So, IP is not a good detective mean.
Now, in normal situation, IP can be used to check who the hell
that 'kanchha' and 'kanchha ko fren' is. For example, it shows
me one MIT address. Should I suspect all 10 or whatsoever students
in MIT now? It only serves to fuel paranoia.(Also, I don't use
any other name. There is no reason to do that for me!)
So, I think we can give people their desired name. also, Ashu, by
BrandName, I was pointing ironically to the putative posters who
used your name to post.You have every reason to be sad about this
episode. Khayeko bikh po lagchha, nakhaayeko bikh ta laagna hudaina!
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 01:50 AM
>
>My point is : by IP you can find out which
>computer was used to
>post. One university can have hundreds of
>computers in a lab,
>and also tens of nepali student. Just by
>getting such IP address
>we don't know anything. Also, a person can
>go to a cybercafe,
>and use proxy servers to delude other people.
> If people are
>desperate , they can do anything.
Interesting. I never thought about this as I am not that of a computer pesron.
So, what's your solution?
>
>So, IP is not a good detective mean.
>
>Now, in normal situation, IP can be used to
>check who the hell
>that 'kanchha' and 'kanchha ko fren' is. For
>example, it shows
>me one MIT address. Should I suspect all 10
>or whatsoever students
>in MIT now? It only serves to fuel paranoia.(
>Also, I don't use
>any other name. There is no reason to do
>that for me!)
I believe you.
>
>So, I think we can give people their desired
>name. also, Ashu, by
>BrandName, I was pointing ironically to the
>putative posters who
>used your name to post.You have every reason
>to be sad about this
>episode. Khayeko bikh po lagchha, nakhaayeko
>bikh ta laagna hudaina!
nakhayeko bikh lagdaina!
Trailokya
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| san |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 08:34 AM
To the real Ashu,
I think it's time that we regulate this forum through some kind of registration process.
This is what i'm thinking:
Posters can choose to not register if they don't want to. But if they register, their names will have a [MEMBER] next to it. So that should be enough to differentiate the registered/real from the unreal.
If anyone has other ideas please feel free to share.
Regards
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| LIC |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 09:41 AM
San, I am just as anxious as you are to give GBNC sustainability, and discourage postings that are vulgar, insensitive and seem to be inspired by ulterior motives.
Just curious. Does the arrangement you are suggesting make you privy to e-mail addresses of the member-posters? What if you decide to share them - you are only human? Some people with very provocative information/ideas may want to remain anonymous - obviously not everyone is as bold as Ashu.
Don't mistake me though. We have to come up with "something" to stop the site from getting swamped by one or two fools. Or maybe we can just ignore them?
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| guruji |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 10:23 AM
San,
I like you idea on [member]shown after his/her name. The Posters who would like to register, will have their own password. Before posting anything in the web page he/she should enter their password. And of course name, email adrress and password should match before it allows to type anything in GNBC web page.
It helps the real posters from stealing their identity.
But I also strongly believe in registration should be an option.
Everyone should be welcome into the discussion and there shouldn't be any censorship, and privacy should be guaranteed (unless FBI wants it!). And everyone has rights to remain anonymous if they want to.
No wonder why everyone loves posting on internet!!
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| Reetu |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 11:50 AM
Hi San,
which you have mentioned an idea of registering for the postings in this web page ideally is not bad at all. I agree with your idea nevertheless no one can stop posting those dam stuffs unless shrinking intensiveness of someone else. who is responsible for those unpredictable postings ??? even thousands of guessing do not make sense though stop looking back ward. i guess, the idea of looking forward is commendable for all of us.
Reetu...
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 12:21 PM
I am sick of this finger pointing stuff here on cummunity site. Take your personal stuff somewhere else. This site is not to defend or offend Ashutosh Tiwari. Only those who have terribly low self esteem can post stuff under someone else's name. I don't agree with Ashu on his many postings. I either ignore or respond with disagreement. I don't care to know his personal stuff. It's obvious that there is a bitter relationship between ashu and so called "sommerville guys" and I don't know who is to blame for that bitterness and frankly I care less.
I support san's idea on registering. However, if we can't restrain ourselves and respect the nature(public NOT private) of this site, nomatter how many rules we make some people will find the way to defy those rules. we will be tired of making rules and they will not rest until they break our rules. It will be a cat and mouse game. So, let us restrain ourselves and police ourselves. Are we so bad that we need rules to behave?
For that Sarki friend, I respect your frustration but your indiscriminate attack against the whole Bahun jat was funny. It may have given you a temporary satisfaction but nothing changed since you post that mail 'cause you didn't suggest anything to correct the "problem". Just because someone is from low cast does not mean that he/she should be given power or position. One has to prove that he or she has the capacity. In our nation, fair game is not common but that does not mean all bahun suck. Now, you may wonder what Jat do I belong to...and I wonder why the hell that matters? All I care is Nepal belongs to every Nepali and should be led by nepalis regardless of caste. Lets be constructive.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 04-Jul-01 11:37 PM
Sparsha,
This is again the real ashu posting from Nepal. I like
your attitude. Yes, this site is not about me, and
people are free to both ignore/disagree with my
postings.
San,
I fully support the registration idea for those who are
willing to register themselves. But I don't think this registration process should be made compulsory.
Please let me know what I need to do next to register
myself as "ashu" "ashutosh tiwari" and "oohi ashu"
on this site so that people -- even when they disagree
with me -- can continue to expect whatever they
have come to expect from my postings.
oohi
ashu
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