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| Paachak | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 08:45 AM
Hi, I would like to ask you guys (studying/working/residing in the foreign countries) two questions: Will you guys come back to Nepal and serve? if yes, when? if not, why? I am curious. If you dont want to tell the truth, please dont write unnecessary comments as answers. I wish if we could unite, work together, serve for some years and replace those oldies and reform Nepal. Regards |
| VincentBodega | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 09:08 AM
Read this if you care!!! You ask this question as if you have some kind of a right over me and my being. I dont think even Nepal herself can ask this question. Why should I go back and work for Nepal? what did she do for me and for my education? Nepal should direct this question to people who she sent abroad on government scholarships. How come she cant ask them for the "reimburshment." They were smart enough to secure places where I supposedly couldnt. Well I left Nepal a long time ago, even before I left the country. I dont think Nepal can expect me to "unite, work together, serve for some years and replace those oldies and reform Nepal." That would be cheating on me. I hate cheaters!!! -- BV |
| ameeshaa | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 09:11 AM
return to nepal? no wayyyyyy |
| bhenda2 | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 09:42 AM
I am not returning. I am happy in this country. |
| oys_chill | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 09:43 AM
Paachak jyu, here's my take on it: Its not that Nepalis want to isolate themselves from Nepal, but everyone wants to ensure there's the right environment to return. Of course, we all have our own choices in life, but noone would like to be the FIRST ONES to take that chance, now do we? :P(after all we are not the brave gorkhes we so proudly acclaim to be ;) I just read vincent bodega and ameeshas comments and I am apalled. The very thought of Nepal has begun to discourage us. When we study in a liberal countries like US and UK, we begin to question our culture, practices and our way of living and the past once we so much used to cherish. Suddenly, we put those invaluable threads of our unique identity of being a Nepali and our relation to nepal and give it a notion of slavery and so forth. I mean, if u r seriously got nothing to do with Nepal and hate so much this impoverished country, WHY MAKE ALL THESE TANTRUMS OF CALLING YOURSELF A NEPALI ??????????Common now, Nepal's per capita income barely exceeds 250, please don't expect it to be Singapore overnight, like KPB promised at the advent of democracy. But pachak jyu, believe me, there's still hope. I know there are lot of Nepalis who are giving a serious consideration to return back as well. Its just the matter of instigation, well at least that's my hope re kya ;) Besides on the jugular vein, the brain drain has totally gripped us. If Lord Buddha couldn't resist its charm, how can we, his devout disciples, change the path of the divinity ;). I was talking to my friend the other day...i told him about the cheap flight to Nepal advertised by our Rastafariya Biarader, at first he was all excited. Then he spewed out his inner doubts: How dirty it would be to travel by bus, how filthy people would be ready to rip him off, how dangerous it could be if maoists showed up and so forth..pheww! k garne, I don['t blame him. |
| Sadabichar | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 09:45 AM
This is a very intriguing question. Believe me 100% nepalese abroad want to go back to Nepal and work for Nepal. But they are not going back because they cannot. At present, the flow rate of nepalese from Nepal is far higher than that of towards Nepal. More than 90% of Nepalese in foreign soils are compelled to remain there just becasue they need to support their family back in Nepal. That's the sacrifice they are paying for Nepal.. not that they are betraying the country. This is quite evident from the recent case in Kathmandu where a large mass of nepalese applied for work in S Korea causing traffic disruption for quite a many days and even required lathi-charges. Yes, had that whole mass of people wanted to stir something they could have done right way... they could blow up the govt. offices, they could smash the shops and what not. But they didn't, coz they don't want to die yet, just because they are still the pillars for their families. They still believe in peace... and thus they still hope to find a decent work so that they can feed thier old parents, wives and kids. Let that work be in Foreign Soil. |
| Sital | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 10:09 AM
I have been silent reader of Saja for a while. Finally this question inspired me to write few words!! What a question. I have been in US for ahile now. I did my schooling here: Undergraduate and Master. I have decend job and awesome husband. Do I wanna go back to Nepal? We discuss this all the time. Only reason I want to go back to Nepal is I miss my family. My parents and relatives. I miss our culture and festival. Nepal's Political situation scares me. Some of you might say it's an excuse. But really it's not. I have been in this country for so long, almost I grew up here. Nepal taught me family values, bond and US gave me education, taught me how to be responsible and list goes on. We are planning on moving back for few years but time will tell what we will do. But we are like " duai dunga ko tarul". I believe most of first generation in US who came for undergrad are in same situation. |
| authentic_angel | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 11:05 AM
Wow..this topic is pretty neat and i m impressed wit everybody's honest views bout nepal....as for me..i'd love to go back to nepal..juss for a visit..but not for ever..i'd be cool to chill there wit ma family, relatives..n ol childhood frenz..*that is if ma childhood frenz remember me* *Sob*Sob*...well i haven't been to nepal for a while now coz i came to canada when i was barely a teenager...so i'd love to go back and see what changes have come bout in nepal:) ps: sadibichar ji is extremely correct bout wha he said....its tru that the money in foreign lands are holding back the nepalese to return back to nepal..coz most of the nepalese ppl work abroad juss to support their family back in nepal..glad that you brought that UP coz yeh foreign land is like a "sweeeet prisoN" as i like to mention it...coz its sweet in a sense that it has everything and promises a person wit all his rights..and its a prison coz once a person comes to americas or any other places.they're trapped for ever!!..lol..aight..thats all frm ma side..it'd be nice if otha ppl post their views as wel! |
| maximum20 | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 11:10 AM
I think Pachaak's question is totally harmless and Vincent's reply was totally uncalled for. I don't think Pachaak was pointing out any obligations we had towards Nepal. As for the issue itself, i think it's more of a matter of money than anything esle. If anyone has the guts to come to a totally different place like america from nepal, and adapt here than i don;t think it'll be that hard to go back to Nepal and try to fit in. Oh well, if you have high expectations and assume that the society will be the same in nepal then it's YOUR mistake. Just imagine how hard it would've been for us to adapt to this place if we expected america to be like Nepal. We changed for this place because we chose to. if you choose to change again for nepal, i think you can. AS for me, i want to return. I think america is overhyped and "american freedom" is as empty as the hearts of our political leaders back home. People blame the political scenario of nepal. i don't think america is so wow-able either. presidents elected by controversial polls, baseless intelligence that ends up killings millions worldwide, goevernmetn that is a mere puppet to billionaires... you'll find reasons to bash america's political scenario if you look for them. by the way, Vincent's standpoint makes me laugh. to think that you don't have an obligation to your country because you are a free individual is fine with me but to point fingers at others (namely, "government quota" scholarship students) is just ridiculous. Whoever said obligation is only a result of monetary favors. Just because they saved MONEY does not mean they are more obligated than you are. If you don't feel obligated, you can't say they are either. |
| oys_chill | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 11:17 AM
maximum20, thank you for your views. Totally agree with you! |
| Shikhar | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 11:29 AM
Paachak: Good question... Personally, I have no intention of going back to Nepal permanentaly anytime soon. I am already serving with whatever means I can and don't feel that my presence there will make much difference because I am not really into politics. But I definately want to retire in Nepal. I want to save some money, enough to survive without having to work. Vincent bro: with that attitude, I am glad you are not thinking of going back to Nepal anytime soon. We already have enough people ripping it apart. I think it was JKF who once said - Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country. I think that statement stands true for all human of all nation. |
| VincentBodega | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 11:44 AM
>>As for the issue itself, i think it's more of a matter of money than anything esle. No its NOT about money. You dont know me so dont assume. Its about respect. Its about fairness. Its about equality. Its about acceptance. >>If anyone has the guts to come to a totally different place like america from nepal, >>and adapt here than i don;t think it'll be that hard to go back to Nepal and try to fit in. My question is why should I? >>Oh well, if you have high expectations and assume that the society will be the same >>in nepal then it's YOUR mistake. Just imagine how hard it would've been for us to >>adapt to this place if we expected america to be like Nepal. We changed for this >>place because we chose to. if you choose to change again for nepal, i think you can. you're not making sense here. Sounds like someone is preaching... >>AS for me, i want to return. I think america is overhyped and "american freedom" is >>as empty as the hearts of our political leaders back home. People blame the political >>scenario of nepal. i don't think america is so wow-able either. presidents elected by >>controversial polls, baseless intelligence that ends up killings millions worldwide, >>goevernmetn that is a mere puppet to billionaires... you'll find reasons to bash >>america's political scenario if you look for them. Your opinion I am not gonna criticize or praise you for that (like someone you know very well likes to do). You like it keep it!!! >>by the way, Vincent's standpoint makes me laugh. to think that you don't have an >>obligation to your country because you are a free individual is fine with me but to >>point fingers at others (namely, "government quota" scholarship students) is just >>ridiculous. Whoever said obligation is only a result of monetary favors. Just because >>they saved MONEY does not mean they are more obligated than you are. If you >>don't feel obligated, you can't say they are either. Why am I obligated towards the system that made me feel so small. No one lived my years in Nepal. If you want to laugh you can laugh all you want, still that doesnt change a thing for me. You are one more person who laughed at me. At least now I can laugh back. People look upon me. People respect me. People know that I can make something out of my life. People talk about my obligation to Nepal. What a shame!!! where was that obligation when I was in the receivers seat. I fend for it. If you want it go fend for yourself. Dont bitch and moan here and talk about duties. Why shouldnt I call upon all the people who went to study on government seats? is it because you are one of them??? ha ha... And again, I am telling what I feel and what I think. Dont tell me what to feel and think. I dont need your advice. Keep it, you will need it. |
| VincentBodega | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 11:49 AM
>> I think it was JKF who once said - Ask not what your country can do for you; ask >>what you can do for your country. I think that statement stands true for all human >>of all nation you make me laugh. are you sure JFK (yes it was him) said for ME? Dont take things out of context and slap it around people. I can bring one too many quotes from the context that "should" allow me to go around killing people. Think!!! |
| Shikhar | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 12:01 PM
>> you make me laugh. are you sure JFK (yes it was him) said for ME? Dont take things out of context and slap it around people. I can bring one too many quotes from the context that "should" allow me to go around killing people. Think!!! - show me a notable quote that "should" allow "YOU" to go around killing people? |
| Sadabichar | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 12:03 PM
I think it has something to do with the ever advancing technology while plays key role in making decision whether to go back to nepal or stay a bit longer in foreign soil. In olden days, about say 25/30 years back, almost 98% nepalese went back to Nepal who came to USA/UK for studies. Almost all who went to India or other countries went back to Nepal. Whether it be for studies or money earning services (lahure/darban/britsih Gorkha/singapore police or Brunei).. they all went back to Nepal. We are the sons and daughters of them who have knowledge of that first hand. And the reason why in those days nepalese returned.. a simple fact - Desh Prem. Desh Prem is still intact in this new generations who are stuck in foreign soils.. but due to the advance technology they can regularly contact folks back in Nepal. The degree of "missing family culture" has softened. That causes us to linger a little while longer in alien nations. Another factor is the economic condition of Nepal which is the by-product of deteriorating polical conditions. This factor is discouraging the current lahures to return home.. instead they choose to immigrate to Australia or Canada. And then there is this new generation who made every effort to come to USA with I-20s.. and they got stuck in USA knowingly unkowingly. People are still restless in Nepal trying so hard to go abroad coz afterall "Money" seems to be the key to happinness. Happiness, because they can support family back home, they can lead life with without having to do hanky panky, no matter how hard the work might be. |
| boston_dude | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 12:50 PM
Go back to Nepal? Ummm... I think NOT. It is fun to go back for vacations and such, but return for good, no way. There are too many things that distrub me about the country: economy, politics, culture (YES, CULTURE, that discriminates on the basis of caste, gender and religion). Other than nice scenery, childhood memories and my parents, there is not much the country has to offer me. Nice scenery is good for visits. Chilhood memories are just memories, and my parents... well, that is the only thing that draws me to Nepal, but part of growing up is to set your own course. All birds must leave their nests and build their own someday. In short, Nepal is home no more. B_D. |
| VincentBodega | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 01:10 PM
hey Shikharji, your wish is my command. I have a very simple one for you. Have you heard of Metallica? if dont heres a website you can go to for more Info: www.metallica.com One of the albums they came out with was called "Kill em All." It was not a song. Just a plain title. The question now remains, is that album name tell me to do it? I know just for the arguing you might say who is James Hettfield compared to JFK. And to make the dicussion go even longer I can counter question you. I have more of these kinda things. Anyways I was just trying to get my point acrossed about not taking things out of context and believing that it suits all the situations. Again lets start thinking and stop following !!! |
| john doe | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 01:21 PM
Mr. Vincent, u seem to have some legitimate issues with Nepal. Care to shed some light on what they are, though? I just found your position intriguing, thats all. And if its something u'd rather not talk about, thats fine too. |
| sc | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 01:33 PM
After living and working in the US for a while,the urge to return to Nepal comes in waves.However, I become unsure of myself when I read and hear about the political developments in Nepal.I pray that the situation in Nepal improves with the passage of time.My intention is to go back and help educate the young minds back home someday. S.C. |
| boston_dude | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 01:41 PM
I agree with Mr. Vincent quite a bit. What's the deal with patriotism anyway? Why should anyone be patriotic? "Identity" one might say. To me, even that is a big WHY? If you yourself know who you are and are comfortable with your own being, then what does it matter whether you identify yourself as a Nepali, Indian, Chinese, American or whatever... Just remember, none of us chose to be born where we were born. These artificial, political lines drawn on water and soil mean nothing. It's a shame that so many wars have been waged in history in the name of patriotism. If one wants to help Nepal or any other place in the name of humanity, then that is a much more worthy cause in my view. B_D. |
| Shikhar | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 01:49 PM
Vincent bro: since you asked me - are you sure JFK (yes it was him) said for "ME"? I was simply asking where does anyone quote that "should" allow "YOU" to go around killing people? When I mean "YOU" I mean Vincent. |
| Junu | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 01:57 PM
I am going back to Nepal but I need to make $100000 that I spent for my study for four years. |
| NK | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 02:04 PM
Well, I have given up on that to tell you the truth. What will I do? Where will I work? Whay will my husband do? I guess my daugher would get used to it. Will I fit in? And what about my siblings? will they come back too once I am there? What about my relatives whom I loved and who have left a long time ago? What will I do with my dust allergy? Is it safe to ride a public bus? The worries are enormous you see? |
| Shikhar | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 02:07 PM
I totally agree with boston_dude, there is no reason to identify ourselves as nepali, chinese, american or whatever. We are all human so we should only refer to ourselves as human. Why even have names like boston_dude or Shikar or any name that was giving to us by our parents, we didnot choose to have that name either. Lets all call ourselves human here. Lets even take it further - lets call all living things animals, why call them tiger, elephant or cow or bateria becuase of how they look or breed or eat afterall they are all just living things of the animal kingdom. All fruits should only be refered to as fruit no matter how they taste look or reproduce. Haina ta boston dude |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 02:29 PM
"Will you guys come back to Nepal and serve?" Of course no, I am not coming back, and those with hariyo patta or US citizenship hold the same view. Nepal, to me, is nothing but a TOURIST ATTRACTION, which now has been inundated by scimitar weilding cave dwelling scums we call the MAOISTS. Who, in their right mind would go back? Only if you're an altruist and a philanthrope who really wants to partake in Nepal's development will you think of going back. This does not represent the mindset of a typical Nepali of course. Let's just say, Amreeka is like the black hole--you go in, and you're never gonna see the light again, if you know what I mean. Serve? Create jobs for me and my Nepali peers residing in the US, and I might start having second thought on what I just said. The onus lies on the people residing in NEPAL to bring Nepal out from stoneage. Nepalis in the US don't wanna remember their slum-dwelling past. "WHY MAKE ALL THESE TANTRUMS OF CALLING YOURSELF A NEPALI " What a load of crock. Tantrums? Who? Who exactly is doing that? ! |
| john doe | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 02:52 PM
NK, with a German husband, a debilitating (gasp!) dust allergy, and an acute fear of public transportation, I'm afraid Paachak's question doesnt even apply to you. No need having those precious feathers all ruffled, my dear. Here, just sip on this Chianti and indulge us with yet another one of your cute little travelogues, will ya? ;) |
| GP | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 03:09 PM
I will not be much worried to the degree as NK is worried about returning tIo Nepal. I also do not have much demands like her. I only wish: "Can I walk safely? while I have a lot of disagreements?" ? Who is going insure / assure that I can have my own disagreements without any preconditions? Lets not forget that there is freedom of disagreements in current Nepal. Its available as rebate, i.e. its like "Free Stuffs" in a shop, that is available to you free of charge only after you purchase another item. In current Nepal too, if you are Maoist supporter, in villages and towns where they have hijacked those "disagreements" and available to only those who have owned Maoists agenda as their own. In govt. controlled towns too, the freedom is available to those who have purchased govt. agendas. Thus, freedom to disagree without buying bottomline item is my bottomline requirement to return to Nepal as long as I am free to stay abroad. Well, paye anta napaye lakhan thapa ko janta bhane jastai if I am not allowed to stay in any other country, I will be forced to stay under Maoist agendas and enjoy the freedom of rebate. Very soon leaving Japan? Going where? Go knows, and I know that I have to go around a much safer place compared to current Nepal, I have to go to a place where I can put my disagreements without fear. GP |
| oys_chill | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 03:12 PM
NEPALI ANGEL? hahaha....... how nice a name to make such a candid comment. hats off to you angel! Who in the righteous mind would want to go back and deal with the slum dwellers? so in your opinion, Nepalis living in slums are to make it EUROPELIKE overnight......wah wah! yesto po bichar........yah if they succeed in doing so, u will return rite? or else, yah will live like a third class citizen with queer stares all around you, and tell everyone I AM HAPPY HERE! wah wah wah again! oh man, les read the original curiousness of the starter of the thread "when will u come back to nepal" of course angel, we seriously don't need you back among the slum dwellers and the cave dwellers maoists who HAPPEN TO SPRING OUT OF THE BLUES rite? i don't think he has put a chain around you..aaija aaija nepal farki! do as you wish dear! Yes u said it right, amreeka is a black hole, and once u get into it, u never see the light...man i wonder what will u do if u really see some light! |
| GP | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 03:18 PM
Corrections: "I have to go to a place where I can put my disagreements without fear" should be read as I have to go to a place where I can put my disagreements without fear, "without fear" is also compared to Nepal. I wonder whether there is anything "absolute fear less society or a place", so I am talking about "RELATIVE FEAR". Beatles' song says: Yesterday, it was such an easy game ........... today, I need a place to hideaway.... (apply to fear less society: today we are physically and mentally hijacked : hijacked by Nepali Maoists in Nepal and hijacked in civilized society by Bushism and in third world by Terrosim of Bin-Laden like peoples and communists). We are under house arrests...... I hate the security checks, the questions, the set answers I have to give, and the additional questions that I have to reply just because "My passport is from Nepal". GP |
| VincentBodega | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 03:21 PM
Let me break it down for you Shikharji. you quoted JFK out of context in efforts to feed me lines about "patriotism." My question is can I do the same in my efforts to justify future killing looking at the cover of Metallica's album that clearly says "Kill em All." Sounds pretty stupid doesnt it? yeah thats the result of using things out of context in most cases. John Doeji, I apprecite your interest and concern over my writings. Here is why I write what I write. VincentBodega doesnt exist. VB represents a nepali from a middle class family whose parents cant usually change with time and are too proud of their "imandari ko kamaii." The result is that it usually leads to the guillotine of their self image infront of their friends who can reach higher grounds easily with various illegitimate aids. These parents' inability to provide their children the basic learning and living environment due to their high ideals kinda gets the basic hopes, dreams and future of a lot of these VincentBodega's raped. Thats all... |
| GP | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 03:29 PM
here we go the KC'S cartoon of the day: 
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| nepali_angel | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 03:46 PM
Oys Chill, "Nepalis living in slums are to make it EUROPELIKE overnight" Uh, you really have a problem comprehending, don't you? Did I ever say that? If so, could you point out the particular passage for me, because frankly it looks to me like someone is pulling things out of his ass. But please remember, you are no HOUDINI, so your tricks are LIMITED. And I wonder how tumultous your innards actually are. Or would Krishna be helping you, like he helped Draupadi when Duryodhana and his goons were tugging on her Saree?? And oh please, don't be so hypocritical. If you really feel like helping Nepal, why are you still here??? Oh yeah, you're just here to STUDY.Or are you here to stay? But no bullshit hypocrisies no more. Of course if everything goes right, Nepal CAN do WELL only in 10 years. Korea used to be poorer than India, but look at the difference now. "yah will live like a third class citizen with queer stares all around you, and tell everyone I AM HAPPY HERE" Third class citizen? Queer stares? Looks like you really have your brain iced, as your name implies. I don't know you, do I? So how did you come up with whatever you came up with? Don't make much sense to me! I am a middle-income American, for all I care. Oh, and somebody is stinking up the joint here. Dead oysters don't last long, even if they're in the freezer! "don't think he has put a chain around you..aaija aaija nepal farki! do as you wish dear" No, but he has asked for Sajhaites' opinion, and I am giving him my own, whether he agrees or not. Unlike our pet Sajha, who goes by the name of Oys, and who only knows how to agree, I have OPINIONS of my own. Either take it or not, it's all on the table. "man i wonder what will u do if u really see some light! " Keep wondering, mr pet sajhaite. |
| NK | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 04:52 PM
dahling john doe, who told you I even want to drink chianti??? did not read our beloved ashu's posting a while back. or do you just focus on *my* posting ;)? I drink merlot my dear merlot. Chinati I find a tad light for my taste buds. Now back to the original question if you may please. |
| sparsha | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 07:18 PM
Patriotism? What's that? Well, its not defined but felt. Patriotism is love-an abstract concept. Hence can't be forced upon. Borderless world with "just human" identity is a dream. All those people who enetered the US with Nepali passport, NEPAL is where we will be sent back if this great nation ever kicks our ----- (you know). Nepal will have no other choice but to take us back. If the nation could also think the way do (tak pare tiwari natra gotame), would the nation take us back? Look at Bhutanese refugees. What are they doing in Nepal? Why were they sent or came to nepal and not Burma, China, or somewhere else? What is nonsense? our reasoning or the concept itself? |
| bewakoof | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 07:32 PM
It is refreshing to see most people say, waht I believe is the truth, that they don't see themselves going back to Neapl. I am sick of meeting one too many hypocrite Neapli in US who claim how desperately they want to go back, but decade after decade never seem to be able to make the jump. Clearly, unapologetically, and with no obligation to explain: I don't see myself going back to Nepal. One item I do like to point out as food for thought, and as a reposte to silly JFK type patriotic rhetoric: I was watching CBS' 60 minutes a few months back and there was a piece on India's IIT. They were reporting how all the IIT graduates went abroad and India did not get a fair return. To that, Infosys' Narayn Murthy had something like this to say - "I see it as a challenge for us. We have to make it wothwhile for them to come back". With this type of progressive and self-confident attitute Inida is moving forward. Sadly, we are nowhere near there. |
| john doe | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 08:47 PM
Vincent ji, I hope u're not blaming your parents for opportunities u may have missed as a direct result of their ideals. I am kind of in the same boat as u r, although, I must say, your bitterness insinuates something more profound than just opportunities missed. But I'm gonna leave it at that for now. NK, pardon my faux pas, but, if u insist, Merlot it is! I myself wanted to go back to Nepal, but, as I'm sure u know, the art scene leaves a lot to be desired! What a shame, specially since I have no problems with either dust or crowded buses. |
| Shikhar | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 08:47 PM
Ok Vincent, before accusing me of quoting JFK out of context, please read the first post of the thread where Paachak asked three questions - Will you guys come back to Nepal and serve? if yes, when? if not, why? and part of your answer was - Nepal should direct this question to people who she sent abroad on government scholarships..blah blah blah ... Paachak is not NEPAL and NEPAL cannot speak for herself. So that is what I call taking the subject out of context, when your reply has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Furthermore - Nepal DOESNOT owe anyone anything. and for the dude who quoted some indian as the words to live by, with all the resources at their disposal and all the progress they have made, there are still hundreds of thousands of indians scattered all over the US who would rather not go back and there are still thousands of indians migrating to other country for better life every year. We cannot expect to move at someone elses pace. Nepal and nepalese should move forward at their own pace that suits their needs and their resources. |
| desh_bhakta_bhattarai | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 08:50 PM
 I am not responding to this thread in ANY way (unless I desperately feel like it). Replying to this thread is like Delhi ka laddu: Jo kha-ye wo bhi pach-ta-ye, jo na kha ye, wo bhi pach-ta-ye! (Jeez...too much of Indian influence on me, I guess) --DBB |
| Shikhar | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 08:58 PM
john doe: Even though I disagree with you on certain topics... it is always interesting to read your posts since you seems to get deeper into the writers psyche. Being a fellow chicagoan I am sure I must have met you in person. |
| john doe | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 09:45 PM
Nepali angel, u can celebrate your mediocrity all u want on this forum, but please spare us the I'm-too-good-for-nepal bullshit. No, Nepal is not going to create jobs for u and the reason for that should be clear to anyone with half a brain - it doesnt need people like u. What nepal needs is the cream of the crop, and u certainly dont seem to make the cut. So go ahead, revel in your mediocrity and please do continue throwing hints in every other posting as to your legal staus and your middle-class financial standing. The rest of us will just sit back and laugh at your naivety. |
| john doe | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 10:02 PM
Shikhar, glad to know u find my postings interesting. I just try and be an occasional voice of reason in the chaos that is sajha. And yes, if u're a fellow chicagoan, I'm sure we've met. Actually, we have pretty good odds of being more than just an acquaintance. |
| authentic_angel | Posted
on 22-Aug-03 11:26 PM
lol..wow...this discussion is gettin HOtterr every second..nywayz..keep it goin!!!!!!..n was good to read everyone's opinions!!! |
| Paachak | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 12:50 AM
Thanks guys for healthy discussion. Reading all the postings, I found: 1. Some fellows don't want to go back, if go, only for paying a visit to relatives and friends. 2. Some fellows want to go if gov't offers them a good job. 3. Some fellows should go back, but are scared of political instability, maoist threats and result of disagreement. 4. Some fellows want go back only after their money that they spent for education in the US pools up. 5. Some fellows hate Nepal, her culture, caste system, public transportation, dust, etc. 6. Some fellows are proud of being Nepalese, and bear a authentic passport. If we all well educated people stay abroad, who would make our country? Do you think who made a big corruption and sucked nations revenue will make it? Do you think you are having so big freedom where you are living, and getting every right that their own natives get in instance? Do you think your neighbour, if native, considers you equal to him (in case you have green card of that country)? Although I don't have right to ask you all those questions, I did because I love my country and hope there will be many people who think for Nepal, her economy, stability, and development. Thanks for participating. I wish more views will be dropped regarding "going back home and serve". |
| Paachak | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 12:54 AM
I have enjoyed postings of Ashu ji, Sitara ji and other prominent figures at Sajha in the past. Now, I wish to read their opinion in this regard. |
| Satya | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 01:54 AM
Honestly speaking, I am willing to return to work if I have decent working condition in Nepal. After my graduation I headed straight back to Nepal hoping that I could sue my new knowledge to contribute something for my homeland while my mates tried to go to gold mines in the west. I worked hard, but my salary was very little. But I was still happy with my income, which was enough for me, a bachelor. My parents were thinking why this fellow is still poor, earning just enough to sustain a life, while fellow engineers were building new bungalows. Never mind, this is a price for honesty. My colleagues were busy to earn commission while I had to work almost 24 hours standby, 7 days a week and even in Dhsain and Tihar. I did not get extra pay nor extra holidays to compensate public holidays. Being an officer I had no over time pay while my subordinates had. That is, my income was lower than my subordinates. This is O.K. for me. Most troubling things were to be a scapegoat for colleagues kukarma. Nobody believes your honesty because everybody around you is corrupt. It was too much for me. I got second scholarship for my Masters degree and then I did not returned. I was paid my basic salary for three years then I was fired. Now I am working in a foreign country. My income is comparatively no more than I had in Nepal, but I am happier. I dont need to see rotten colleagues any more. I regret that I have to stay away from my beloved homeland, parents, siblings, relatives and friends. I have no intension to stay away from Nepal forever. I am willing to return today provide that I will have an environment to work honestly. |
| le chef du nuit | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 03:05 AM
i havent been to nepal for 4 years now, and i long to go back but before long, i know i'll be itching to leave again |
| Master_Of_One_Liners | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 04:26 AM
Diffusion is the movement of molecules from a high concentration to a low concentration. |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 05:04 AM
"No, Nepal is not going to create jobs for u and the reason for that should be clear to anyone with half a brain" Look who's talking about having a brain. How can Nepal create jobs, you idiot? You think it's some form of living entity with AI that can function by itself without any input? It's the people that have to do something, and those in the diaspora do not have to share the onus. It strictly speaking lies with the people who are there, and those who are returning back, i.e. those students who pine for green card, but are rejected--someone like yourself, I reckon. "So go ahead, revel in your mediocrity and please do continue throwing hints in every other posting as to your legal staus and your middle-class financial standing" Sure I will, if I am assailed again as a third class citizen by so-called "patriots". Stop fronting. Go back to Nepal. Why are you still here? Don't give me that "I am only a student" bulshit. We all know your ulterior motives. " What nepal needs is the cream of the crop, and u certainly dont seem to make the cut. " At least I am better than you, because it seems like you can't seem to come up with a paragraph that has more than 5-6 sentences. Anybody can come up with one-liners. I am thinking you're 1) either working too hard to impress us, or 2) you're just a no-good troll looking for a quibble. I am not here to gratify your fantasies, so please go and look for that somewhere else. "The rest of us will just sit back and laugh at your naivety" Keep laughing, mr. laconic cream of the crop. If you can't convey yourself online, I wonder what sort of quivering introverted shrimp you are in real life. I can only imagine |
| nepzkilla | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 05:45 AM
yo why r u guys fightin.. lol.. if u want to go bac to nepal.. then go ppl. if u want to stay in usa and don't wanna go then don't go no one is forcing u guys.. sale |
| Sigg | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 07:54 AM
Ppl who actually grew up in nepal think that they are too good to live there now, aint that a bitch! |
| RBaral | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 09:30 AM
Life in Nepal is extremely competitive. Just compare PSC (Lok Sewa ko Janch) with GRE. I have lately heard that people who for sure won't make it to PSC try GRE -- just out of fear of competition. And get a decent GRE score and fly to an Ivy League. Knowledgable folks: please verify. Namaste, Rishi |
| (*)Y(*) | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 09:51 AM
well said..rishi...i agree with you! |
| south | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 11:50 AM
yeah Rbaral, its ture. life in nepal is too competiitve. I did engineering but could nt get decent job there and its too tough to get into government job, so i took GRE and came here. i always want to go to nepal and live there but being a member of midle class family i have to earn some to sustain life and its not possible without having job. I have heard like even doctors are having difficulties to find job these days as almost 800 nepali mbbs are graduating every year from different schools in nepal and abroad. the number is even higher for engineering. but i always think "afno desh bhaneko afno desh ho". many nepali people living here in usa say like they want to spend their retired life in nepal or they will return back nepal after 5,10,15 yrs and my anser is also like similar i also want to work here like 5-6 yrs. this is mainly because we want to be financially stable when we go back to nepal, and those who says they want to spend retired life in nepal, its because i dont see any good reason to stay here after all they ahve earned a lot and after retirign they got nothign to do here so want go back. |
| phateko_kattu | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 12:18 PM
Pachak ji , I agree with you that Sitara ji and ashu ji are prominent figures of Sajha.com.But why would Ashu ji ,who is already in Nepal serving a country reply to these questons like "Will you guys come back to Nepal and serve? if yes, when? if not, why? ..... Its about time that you followed his steps not wait for what he might say } Think twice before you speak Paachak ji (my humble suggestion :-0) ) otherwise your boyfriend Hajmola will dump you . |
| john doe | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 01:19 PM
"I am thinking you're 1) either working too hard to impress us, or 2) you're just a no-good troll looking for a quibble." Congratulations, for u've described yourself more fittingly than anyone else in this forum ever could've. Looking at your postings, u seem to come in here just to vent your real-life frustrations, whatever they may be. And u seem to try a little too hard to come off as an obnoxious bi tch. My word of advice to u is that u dont have to try so hard. That was a slam-dunk with your very first posting. "At least I am better than you, because it seems like you can't seem to come up with a paragraph that has more than 5-6 sentences. Anybody can come up with one-liners." Oh yes, u've cornered me on this one, since u seem to have quite a knack for verbosity. But then again, if u take out all the explicitly derogative invectives, u're really not left with much to work with, r ya? I dont claim to be an expert in deciphering personalities, but, since u've taken the liberty to attempt at deciphering mine, i'm gonna indulge myself and take a shot at it. For some reason, the words "abuse" and "emotional trauma" seem to pop up in bold. U seem to be trying too hard to put other people down, which only hints at your own insecurities. I know I'm gonna sound pathetically patronizing when i say this, but i'm gonna say this anyway - i feel genuinely sorry for whatever u've had to go thru in the past, and i suggest that u take up some kind of therapy to try and reconcile with it. Maybe u could start off with some spirituality. And maybe, just maybe, u'll realize that putting other people down is not the only way to get respect. I better stop here lest i get chastised for pontificating. "If you can't convey yourself online, I wonder what sort of quivering introverted shrimp you are in real life." If u're really wondering what kind of person I am in real life, I suggest u write me an email and, if at all possible, maybe we could meet up for a drink or something. |
| Sigg | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 02:37 PM
Good one JD, I still wanna tie Nepali angel, and tell that biotch to make me a sandwich afterwards!! or daal bhat and khukura ko curry, haha. |
| phateko_kattu | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 02:55 PM
["At least I am better than you, because it seems like you can't seem to come up with a paragraph that has more than 5-6 sentences. Anybody can come up with one-liners." ] So you have whole paragraph for good for nothing aye . Its seems you are the one who come here to shed frustration not me .As a VIP member of sajhapur I have the constitutional right to speak in here .If I were to impress peepul in here I would have chosen dami angrezi name like yours John Doe .[I honestly think that you should have kept your name Ron Doe ;o)] So....... Ron Doe , please dont try to teach me how I should write/what I should write .Its kinda undemocratic na? miss you : bye sweet remembrance ....Ummm ah P/S; Oh yes I would love to meet you up for beer if you promise to pay my bill too :) |
| Sigg | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 02:59 PM
Kattu bro ke JD sanga resai ra ? he is answering nepali angel's post ni. Scroll up! |
| maaanis | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 03:07 PM
Guys, This is the first time I have visited this site, and I found the discussion so exciting that I could not resist my temptation to post my opinion, so I registered immediately. About myself, I am a PhD student in the UK, and am totally funded by the university. I have no obligations to return to Nepal even though I am a full scholar and hopefully wont have any loans to pay off when I complete my studies. Though I see that this site has been designed primarily for those in America, I thought the discussion is relevant for all those studying abroad. The European perspective in this regard may be different to that in US due to immigration policy very restrictive in allowing immigrants to settle in their country. If somebody asked me, I would simply reply Ill go wherever I get a job that suits my qualifications and interest and pays me a decent salary. Definitely, without doubt my first priority would be to go back to Nepal. I will not stay back in UK or go to USA to make $3-5000 a month if I get a pay of Rs. 40-50,000 a mnth in Nepal, and with the degree I will have in present future and the lack of highly qualified human resources in my area of expertise, I know I am not demanding much. AND, mark my word, I have good prospects in these countries. This is an era of globalisation. Nepal cannot expect all those staying abroad to return. Things are not the same as they were 25-50 years ago. There is a competition and Nepal will have to stand out. There is no other way out. I found the example of Infosys quite relevant. They succeeded in holding IT brains back. Dust allergy!!!!!! we have foreign expats in our country and they have adapted to it. It shouldnt be an excuse for us, Nepalese. Rather than making all those silly excuses, it would be wise to say many do not want to return to Nepal due to insecurity of life. I dont think any French that goes to US to study would ever be thinking of the issue that has been a hot discussion in this forum. The reason is simple, life for them back in France is secure. If you have any comments or concerns, please feel free to send me an email at s.k2@ntlworld.com. Regards |
| Ram Prasad | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 07:59 PM
boy.....boy.....i see lotta patriotism.....lotta hate....lotta fight....but i like this thread....some replies pushed me to go back nepal and see what the heck happens and some replies turned me to hold back........but keep posting.....i am thinking....if the fuse of my brian doesnot go off...i will decide later after this posting is done....but above all this is kool posting...............luv u all |
| CN | Posted
on 23-Aug-03 10:15 PM
It's all about, "ME" what's in it for me? We like to have choices favoralble to us. If you have DARU in one hand and tea on the other, which one would you take? There are many foreigners who are living and working in/for Nepal, shouldn't they be told to go back and work for their country? If you think everyone should be patriotic then, Lets start with the basics, our government offices and officers ought to use/drive Sherpa pick up trucks instead of foreign made vehicles. GARI KHANE MAANCHHE LE JAHAN PANI KAAM PAUCHHA RA DEKHCHHA. IT'S ALL UP TO YOU. |
| dautari | Posted
on 26-Aug-03 12:20 PM
Hey, I just landed in the USA just over a week ago and maybe it's too early for me to think about WHEN or IF I WILL go back to NEPAL. But I guess, it all depends on where Nepal stands when I can start thinking about going back. The state Nepal is in nowadays will make NOONE want to go back to Nepal. That's for sure unless someone had an extremely prosperous business back home. I, to be honest, may go back. But, on the other hand, I may NOT go back. Whatever we do in our lives, there should be something in it for us. So, what's in it for us if we go back? Right now ... the Maoist problem, unstable economy, growing lack of security, etc etc ... |