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| bardan |
Posted
on 25-Aug-03 07:35 AM
maoists tried to murder deuba....
another reminder to us what we are dealing with.check out kantipuronline.
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| Arnico |
Posted
on 25-Aug-03 08:16 AM
how do we know yet who was trying to kill him? There are multiple "groups" of people going around the country with guns...
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| boston_dude |
Posted
on 25-Aug-03 08:35 AM
Hmmm.... I'm skeptical about this one. What would the Maoists gain by assasinating Deuba? It could have been anybody; including RNA and GPK.
B_D.
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| Shiva Shiva!! |
Posted
on 25-Aug-03 08:51 AM
Leaders like GPK, KHUME, SHERE, MAKUNE, OLI,ST,GOVINDE,GACHE,BAME, PRACHANDE, BRB deserve assasination.
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| mitra 2 |
Posted
on 25-Aug-03 09:57 AM
Well, Maoists killed IGP Krishna Mohan Shrestha - our hometown hero - for no reason. However, they sat for talks right after his assasination. Who knows, they might have been trying to end the talk or drop their demand for constituent assembly with Deuba's assasination. kind of low strategy for safe landing. then again, its not new to them.
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 25-Aug-03 10:48 AM
Why do the Maoist want to kill Deuba?
Why did the Maoists target Deuba instead of Koirala?
1. He is seen to be close to the US. Remember, he was the one who got the $ 20 million US military aid, US rifles, and the Belgian machine guns. Maoist hate his guts, unlike GKP, Surya Bdr., and Lokendra Chand, he was tough with them.
2. Deuba is also seen as anti-Indian within the Congress and anti-
Girija. So by killing Dueba, Maoists gain the further sympathy with the Indian lobby and Girija Congress. Indians have arrested Maoist top leader C.P. Gajurel, aka, Gaurav, so the Maoist need to do something spectular to have him released. Both the Indian govt and Girija lobby want Deuba to be eliminated...Maoist are only happy to be obliging.
For the uninitiated, Koirala and the Maoists have the same remote control: New Delhi.
3. Killing Deuba will also send a chilling message to all the other political parties and their leaders not to oppose the Maoist line. What ever his other faults, Deuba took a consistently hard line against the Maoists after the talks failed. Now, all the other leaders and journalists and intellectuals will think twice before saying anything bad about the Maoists. Pure and simple, this is a terror tactics against the opponents.
I think this assassination attempt brings the conflict to a new turn. Let us see how the situation unfolds.
For all practical purpose, the so-called ceasefire is dead!
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| crazyeyez |
Posted
on 25-Aug-03 02:02 PM
Thoughts that ran into my head
1) the King set up the whole thing
one scenario, is that the King had some "gundas" shoot at, but not kill Deuba, this way he wanted Deuba to beleive the Maoists attempted to assasinate him, but thanks to the awesome security provided by the royal nepal army, he got away... In this case the King, has just established the favor of Deuba, and hence his supporters. He has also just showed that the Maoists are so "low" to try and kill an ex Prime Minister. Just when the talks were failing, he got a good excuse to crush the Maoists, he also might have regained the support of the political parties.
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2) Deuba and the Congress themselves realized that they cant go on protesting the King, and hence created the scene. This way they gain join forces with the King against the Maoists without loosing much face. Now that they've been outta the govt, they realized the only way to come back to power is by gaining the sympathy of both people and King.
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3) The King did this openly to Deuba to scare him and other leaders, to prove a point of what easily.Of course in public the blame will go to the Maoists, but to those who are concerned, the truth is clear that its the King's way of sending a kosheli.
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4) Maoists did it, I guess to spark the new underground war. Plus all the reasons that Suva Chintak jyu said.
5) Other political parties were involved, due to internal Nepali Congress strife.
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6) Nothing happened, where are the eye witnesses and where is the jeep? how hard is it to run a round of fire through a jeep, anyways!
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| crazyeyez |
Posted
on 25-Aug-03 02:05 PM
The King did this openly to Deuba to scare him and other leaders, to prove a point of what easily could happen to them if they kept on protesting. After all they had the best scapegoat.
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| lonely |
Posted
on 25-Aug-03 04:05 PM
whoever it was, it wasn't good. I see that the talks are heading for no where. What do you think about what Baburam Bhattarai said recently?
Khai I am doubtful about Moaist as well.
Always lonely,
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| ashu |
Posted
on 25-Aug-03 06:14 PM
I have been to those areas in Kailali Zilla, places like Pahalmanpur, Sukhad, Masuriya, Dhangadi, Attariya and so on.
Those places -- with the exception of relatively urbanized Dhangadi and Attariya -- are practically run by Maoists these days.
Three years ago, on a highway, the then Chief Justice of Nepal also had a similarly narrow escape.
oohi
ashu
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| gunda |
Posted
on 25-Aug-03 06:14 PM
I think Deauba happen to be wrong place and at a wrong time. If the negotiation fails, Neaplese will start to kill each other.
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| Sadabichar |
Posted
on 25-Aug-03 06:30 PM
It's Bihari politics !!!
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| GP |
Posted
on 26-Aug-03 12:44 AM
Maoists might be trying get more supports from Girija Congress.
1.Deoba's death will Girija's biggest achievement.
2. Girija calls "Maobadi sathiharu..." Shameless Budha,
because he calls Maobadi as Sathiharu while his 100s of cadres
were killed by these burgalars.
....
Girija might have undiscussed understandig with Maoists through
F. GRJ and his chamchas. GRJ might have paid big sum to some
chamchas to kill Deoba as if Maoists did it. ............. Anyway,
Deoba is only one high level politician taking stand against Maoists,
and he once said this ceasefire is also illusion.
GP
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| GP |
Posted
on 26-Aug-03 12:45 AM
One more good thing with Deoba:
He recently criticized himself that there would not have been chaos
if he had not asked for 14months postponement of election.
Does Girija have this gut to criticize himself for his mistakes? No, never.
This is what Sailaja is asking for.
GP
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 26-Aug-03 06:09 AM
What is the response from Maoist camp on the accusation? Reports suggest, Deuba himself pointed finger at Maoists. Have they (Maoists) denied their role?
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| allare |
Posted
on 26-Aug-03 06:12 AM
Besides suva chintak's and crazyeyez's logical doubt about unseen hand on this incident,
Anythought about hands of RAW on this ? Who knows ?
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| desh_bhakta_bhattarai |
Posted
on 26-Aug-03 08:41 AM
Làchi morà haru.
Assasination is the number one suppressent that can be used for a political cause. But why Deuba? Suva chintak pointed it all out.
-- DBB
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 26-Aug-03 09:13 AM
Allare jyu,
As far as strategic goals in Nepal go, RAW and Maoists are one and the same thing! One commands, the other executes. All the events that have unfolded since the famous Silgudi revelation two years ago proves beyond any doubt that that Maoists have the RAW as their pay master. The same way Contras in Nicaragua were controlled and commanded by the CIA during the last decade.
Again why Deuba and not Girija? I list one more reason here: After becoming prime ministers for the first time in 1990 and 1991, Krishna Pd Bhattrai and Girija Pd Koirala went for Delhi Darshan and vowed never to import any weapons or military assistance from any other country than India. In other words, surrender of national sovereignty.
But when Deuba went to New Delhi after becoming the prime minister for the first time, Indians asked him the all important question: what he intends to do about the arms? Without blinking his eyes or an apology, this janatako choro from the far west said "Nepal is a sovereign, Independent country; so we will get what is necessary for our security needs from what ever source we deem appropriate."
For the Indian establishment that was used to Nepali leaders literally licking their boots (and something else as well, but time prevents me from expounding on that theme, but if you are interested, just ask Sheilu nani), Shere's reply was like a slap in the face. Ever since that time, New Delhi mandarians have sought to undermine Shere politically. They were the ones who orchestrated his downfall the first time he was the prime minister.
When he became the prime minister the second time, New Delhi was not happy at all. They were incensed when he went to US and Europe to get arms and military assistance. In other words, what ever his other faults, single handedly ended India's arms monopoly over Nepal. For this alone, Nepalis ought to be grateful to this poor man's son from Dandeldhura. This guy restored part of our national sovereignty.
The Maoist last year destroyed his father's home in Dandeldhura. Now they are going after his life....it is a RAW justice, no?
SC, the occasional political pundit
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| bardan |
Posted
on 26-Aug-03 09:18 AM
the maoists havent denied or accepted responsibility.the same thing happened with IGP krishna mohan shreshta.
it was deuba who used the post 9/11 world,to rally american and western support for the fledging RNA,he is the one who used the term terrorists,he is the one who had bouties on the heads of the maoist high command,he was recently attacking them too.
the maoist had burned his ancestral house when he was the prime minister.
targeting girija wouldve been much more of a popular move,if maoists have now resorted to this type of terror tactics.
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| darshankaka |
Posted
on 26-Aug-03 09:18 AM
Yeah, SC is correct.
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| bardan |
Posted
on 26-Aug-03 09:21 AM
u are spot on!!!
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| dautari |
Posted
on 26-Aug-03 11:59 AM
It's all staged. That's my gut feeling. Deuba wanted the spotlight which he was not getting since his party is not one of the "five parties" that we have been hearing so much about.
Just a theory.
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| jaya_nepal |
Posted
on 26-Aug-03 12:22 PM
It might be RAW plan or may be RNA itself. It will be a mystery as Royal Massacre and the murder of IGP Krishna Shrestha.
One thing is clear about that of IGP. The Armed Police Force was setup after the RNA refused to counter attack the Maoists and wanted to remain out of the reach of Parliamentary Parties. Thus the APF was set up which could be mobilized as per the needs by the Parliament. IGP Shrestha was really working hard for its success. Now, how could RNA or may be the Supreme Commander of RNA see a second force coming up in the nation. Hence it was necessary to oust IGP and yes they did that. Recently we even heard that RNA and APF are merging into RNA. Once again there will be no armed force complying to the Parliament. That was neither RAW's plan nor Maoists' plan but solely that of RNA. Or may be the RNA and the Maoists is the same organisation under two different banners.
Prior to Deuba declared a state of emergency in the nation, the RNA officers were seen together with the Maoists in the Western Nepal celebrating and rejoicing. RNA claims they did not have enough permissions. Does that sound fair, NO. There are many such incidents Well, its a big planning as suggested above. Sometimes it is also clear to what the great Poltician "Chanakya" did to popularize the institution of Chandragupta Maurya.
The polital parties of Nepal were really defamed by heavy curroption and economic slowdown. Then came a terrorist insurgency which could not be controlled by the democrartic government. HM King took over power, law and order restored in the nation. Peace talks started and soon in future peace will be restored under the banner of King. Now, people have the choice - The King or the Democratic Parties. Obviously they would choose King and hence an absolute monarchy is restored back in the Nation. It seems simple as that.
Coming back to RAW, partly or may be most of the planning in Nepal is done by them (RAW). Even after a notice in the INTERPOL, how could the Maoists leaders be free in Indian territory. It is clear that either India is violating the norms set by INTERPOL and just helping the Maoists.
Anyways, it is a mystery between RNA, Royal Palace and RAW. It can never be unfolded. We can just hope that peace is restored back in nation.
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| bipin |
Posted
on 26-Aug-03 05:06 PM
Just In:
Maoists admit error in attack on Deuba
Himalayan News Service
Kathmandu, August 26
The Maoists have expressed sorrow over the attack on former prime minister Sher Bahadur Deuba, stating that it was an error, as the rebels mistook the Deuba convoy as a group of security forces. Our party has adopted a policy not to attack the central level leaders of any political party and Deuba's escorting guards were mistaken for security forces, a statement issued by the western regional incharge Diwakar said. He claimed the guerrillas were not aware that Deuba was present in the convoy.
According to sources, the party would give details of the incident within a day or two. A Maoist source told The Himalayan Times that the attack would not adversely impact the peace process since it was an error and not intentional. But the government and those who do not want talks to succeed might just use this as a reason against negotiations for peace. According to army officials, the Maoist used rifles and pistols in the attack at Pahalmanpur.
Meanwhile, the attack on the NC (Democratic) president has been widely condemned. The US embassy stated that the Maoist activities had come to a new low, as was evident by the cowardly action against a democratic leader .
We expect that all responsible members of the civil society, both within Nepal and abroad, share our outrage at this unprovoked act of terrorist violence, the embassy said, calling upon the Maoists to immediately stop their repeated violation of ceasefire. An emergency meeting of the central working committee of NC (D) has sought adequate safety for its workers and leaders.
The NC, Nepal Sadbhavana Party, CPN-UML and the Nepal Samata Party, in separate statements today, also demanded security for political leaders and workers. Former PM Lokendra Bahadur Chand has also expressed shock. Informal Sector Service Centre has demanded a government probe into the attack and punishment for the attackers. The Human Rights and Peace Society and Tribhuvan University Teachers Association have also condemned the unprovoked attack.
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| bipin |
Posted
on 26-Aug-03 05:14 PM
Hi:
Speculation: The ongoing killing, kidnapping, and ambush by the Maoists and now this muder attepmt may indicate that the extreme elements of the Maoists are not happy with Baburam and the leaderships. They want to scuttle the talk and resume fighting.
Reason: they were promised a communist state through revolution and the leadership was in Kathmandu making friends and negotiating. Don't buy into the CA business. The Maoists are deermined to wipe out both the Monarchy and the political oppositions in the country. Just look at how many cadres they have killed. The UML is virtually gone at the lower level.
Reaction: Baburam decided to harden his stance and show his defiance too for his own survival.
Now a second round of fighting is very likely. Unfortunately!
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| smr |
Posted
on 26-Aug-03 05:32 PM
Bipin:
Further, the strange thing is that the Maoists ended up giving ultimatum instead of finding a way to compromise and negotiate. Something went wrong. Else, why would they spend time trying to "earn" goodwill in and around KTM, and then bugger off abruptly without much patience. Of course, the gvt has a lot to do with this back and forth too, but still...
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| mitra 2 |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 12:14 PM
"....Our party has adopted a policy not to attack the central level leaders of any political party and Deuba's escorting guards were mistaken for security forces...."
Hmmm... what a statement! What a policy!
1. they are not sorry for attacking security forces during cease-fire and yet apologize for attacking central level leader.
2. we know chor, daka, fataha, khattam, khatiya, ghusyaha, and what not netas are in the central level leadership of all partis. since Maoists have adopted a policy not to attach them, who are they targeting?
And Yet, we keep hearing from different sources that the Maoists are gaining popularity in the whole nation. Is that real or are people terrified with Maoists who rule with guns?
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