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| sucharya |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 02:04 AM
Does this press release by Prachanda mean end of ceasefire?
http://www.cpnm.org/statement/vadra_10_060.htm
Pashupati Nath le Sabailai Satbuddhi Deun !!!
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| basheri |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 02:44 AM
I guess peace prospects are over for millions of Nepali.I hope the young will be able to cope with what is going to happen next.Life is too short to be ruined by all the violence that goes on. I hope Nepali media will at least learn to not to show the decapitated bodies, corpes,blood bathed shoulders/rebels on TV etc. It is not a bravery of either side and public can align themself to whichever side they want without seeing such.
OM SHANTI
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| sadabichar |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 07:28 AM
A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker.
Politicians in Nepal are good talkers, both sides.. and so there is no result.
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| GP |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 07:42 AM
It was a need of time. We can not wait them playing drama. There was not a real ceasefire in last 6 months, so this ceasefire off is just an end of CEASEFIRE in talk.
Its a good reStart. Let them fight, and we will have good time to judge them
who is right and wrong. This time the death toll has to go 5 times i.e. 40,000.
First ceasefire was after 1500 mostly from Maoists side killing of public, and second
time mostly from RNA side killing of Maoists. Now, I wonder who is going to
kill more, and whoever kills more will be temporarily winner and will have strong
hold in Singha durbar. ................
Kill Kill Kill ................... Maoists are sits as you can understand from
Prachanda's statement on Gajurel's jail on Passport Forgery. A man supposed
to be head of Maoists Nepal, justifies forged passport as political agenda.
What can be more shameful to a head of the so called political party.....
hahahahah............ Prachanda ............. ahahhaahahah..........
Kya chithi lekha indians ko ............. Kya request kiya apane.........
GP
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| GP |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 07:45 AM
Some peoples might call it: politics.
"it" = appeal to release Gajurel.
That could be a political game of 17th and 18th century, but, not in 21st century.
Well, skin head maoists might accept it, but, not by those who follow rule of law.
India is a country run by rule of law. Forgery of passport has helped terrorists
to get benefit of such biz.
GP
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 08:37 AM
Now, is it time for our Gyanendra to reevaluate himself?
Again and again, he rationalized his foolish decisions by saying that he made peace possible in Nepal. I agree with GP when he said there was no peace in the last six months. There was none, in deed.But the king and his henchmen pursued their agenda with deception.Now, they have very few people to defend their crooked regime. RNA never reformed it even in its past seven years. A RNA officer jokingly told me that , "in Rana regime, Rana lads used to get chevron(fooli) by birth, now they get it by going to Benaras after they are 18, and buying a certificate of I.Sc. there."
I don't know who killed more civilians. While I always stood for RNA, I found the ground realities a bit different. I think RNA itself claimed that it killed about four thousands Maoists. Now, I know for sure that those four thousands were not necessarily Maoists. And that is why RNA has difficulty gaining public support. I also support the Maoist accusation that the cold-blooded murder of 19 people by RNA in Ramechhap provoked this. If that murder-story is true, then any rebel leader will be pressured to call-off ceasefire. After all, the government shouldn't pretend as if it won the war. It hasn't.It hadn't.
May be within some days we will know about some major attacks in the district sadarmukaams around the nation.I know that a significant number of districts are already under Maoist control.
My prayers go to those young <20 years old fighters of both sides. They are fighting for the cause they probably don't know. The king is not worth saving, the Maoist causes are not worth fighting. It is the greatest tragedy of our nation.
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| sparsha |
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on 27-Aug-03 09:31 AM
GP wrote"There was not a real ceasefire in last 6 months.."
Biswoji wrote "I agree with GP when he said there was no peace in the last six months."
I don't agree with the statements made here. We, perhaps-now, are poised to see if peace existed in the past 6/7 months or not. We have to define "peace" in relative term-especially in our context (my opinion).
It's unfortunate that Maoists backed out from the ceasefire. What they want to do now (within a few days) is worth observing. Is this "pullout" a bargaining strategy, a false sense of supremacy, or a reflection of internal conflict (in Maoists top camp)? We will know, but the show, probably, is going to be an extremely expensive one. In fact, priceless.
I hope five political parties are happier now. Now time has come again, for them, to get their butt whipped by their fellow comrades-the maoists. Enjoy!
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| dautari |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 10:06 AM
Now ... does this not make us concerned about the safety of our near ones - especially those who live away from the city of Kathmandu? Well, at least, for me it does.
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| Shiva Shiva!! |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 10:07 AM
Maoist problem is the cause of last 12-13 years of mass corruption, nepotism, and power struggle. Cease fire withdrawal doesn't surprise me.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 10:18 AM
Sparshaji,
You are free to disagree with me. That's fine.
However, while I agree that there was a 'relative peace' in the nation in comparison to the war time terror, the nation was never peaceful. People were being killed by both sides, extortion was so rampant that I saw it with my own eyes. Police and army were also terrorizing common Nepali people. Where was the peace? I don't know. Sometimes the government and the Maoists are in war with each other, sometimes they are in war with people. Sometimes they do both. I think in future they will do both.
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| bipin |
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on 27-Aug-03 10:38 AM
Hi:
Yes, the violations have been on both sides. There is no way the RNA will stay inside the 2 miles radius and watch the Maoists organize, extort, recruit, rebuild and freely roam around gaining grounds. At the same the Maoits never intended to lose their revolutionary edge. They had to keep the razor sharp. Let's be real. At the same time, the Maoists did not come to the table with an intention to negotiate. Giving ultimatum is not what we call negotiation. They came with three demands and they left with three demands.
17 casulties is just an excuse. Else, they would have not have come forward after 5,000 losses. (The RNA had not been clean in all these killings. Unfortunately, the insurgencies are never fair. That's why we need a negotiated settlement to stop the senseless killings.)
Speculation: The ongoing killing, kidnapping, and ambush by the Maoists and now this muder attepmt may indicate that the extreme elements of the Maoists are not happy with Baburam and the leaderships. They want to scuttle the talk and resume fighting.
Reason: they were promised a communist state through revolution and the leadership was in Kathmandu making friends and negotiating. Don't buy into the CA business without the arm surrender in front of the international bodies. Independent observors are a must too.
The Maoists are determined to wipe out both the Monarchy and the political oppositions in the country. Just look at how many cadres they have killed. The UML is virtually gone at the lower level. That is the ground reality.
Reaction: Baburam decided to harden his stance and show his defiance too for his own survival. Now, Prachand pulled the plug.
Now a second round of fighting is very likely. Unfortunately!
GP was also right in not trusting the Maoists; they never came to negotiate. they came to buy time. How do you find out? Just agree to CA elections, and watch they will balk on the surrender of their arms. They want to win elections and guns are necessary to do so for them. They are not a band of saints.
After that, they will throw all the political oppositions and create a one party Communist State. Don't worry, they will allow some token oppositions in their version of "bourgoise democracy." Just read their 75-point manifesto and you will see the plan for a political cleansing.
Solution? It is not a black and white! Stay tuned and see how all the idiots behave in the coming days. It is the Nepali people who are getting screwed
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| rbaral |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 11:27 AM
>>There is no way the RNA will stay inside the 2 miles radius and watch
>>the Maoists organize, extort, recruit, rebuild and freely roam
>>around gaining grounds.
Why not?
What good has the RNA done so far? Don't you remember what RNA was doing while Maoadi looted their immunition from Dang? RNA, which can't protect its immunition from its *Opponents*, will protect people from exortion and atrocities?
RNA is the major problem behind all this mess. I believe RNA is consistently feeding information (misinformation?) to the government (and the king) that they are strong enough to fight and win the Maoists. Which is not the case.
RNA has proven incapable of fighting long hours with barely trained Maoist recruits. Every attempt from RNA's side to prove otherwise has failed.
Namaste, Rishi
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| crazyeyez |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 11:39 AM
'RNA is the major problem behind all this mess. I believe RNA is consistently feeding information (misinformation?) to the government (and the king) that they are strong enough to fight and win the Maoists. Which is not the case. '
that, plus the fact that RNA was rejoicing with the Maoists some months ago... maybe, Its only a matter of time that the RNA(soldeirs) will mutiny.
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| bipin |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 11:43 AM
"Why not?
What good has the RNA done so far? "
Good or bad is all relative.
But, they have done the following:
They have not let them overrun Kathmandu and 56 urban areas. They also have killed quite a few of them. (I must add that I said not all the killings have been clean, just as not many killings on the Maoists' side have been clean. Just as the UML and NC parties. I also have come across some innocent victims with a missing linb. This poor teaher was amputated for being a brother of a police Hawalder. Similar attrocities are on both sides.)
The Army may lose out eventually and let them march into the valley under the red banner, that is a different issue. The dream of the multi-party system under them will just be just a dream!
You are right in one thing that many of the army officers (I have spoken to some of them myself) believe that the army is strong in taking on the maoists. They can engage and equilibrate but will not be able to subdue and defeat. That's why we need a settlement.
But, don't forget the Indian role. If India gets pressured by the US to step up its attention on Nepal and the Maoists problem, then the equation will change. More killing will ensue on both sides.
Again, the people will get caught in the middle.
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| Sadabichar |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 11:44 AM
When we say "NEGOTIATION" between the two sides, negotiation never works!!!!!!!
Why?
The two sides come to the table with (say) 10 points in each side. They talk.. and talk and talk. Then each of these sides will compromise, giving up some of it's points on which they believe in, and agrees to opponents points, vice-versa. In that way willingly or unwillingly these sides finalize may be 10 points, or 15 , even 20 points. Shake hands.. call the negotiation a success. Do you think this worked? No... Both of these sides lose some of their hard believed points to agree with opponents some other points which they hate. Finally, both sides become unhappy unside, but they will show smiling faces to public.
It's not the negotiation the people of Nepal need. Not at all. Nepalese poeple need peace, prosperity, recognition around the world.. not a failed nation.
Solution:
Neither we need negotiation, nor multi-party/one-part democracy. What has it do with Maoist? Communism?
All these politicians from all parties should forget about al the political idealisms they think they believe in. Think that they are first nepalis, and they are living in the country bounded by the borders. That's their identity. And think rationally and objectively, what Nepal really need now.
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| bipin |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 11:47 AM
Typo:
"Just as the UML and NC parties."
Sorry I meant
Just ask the UML and NC parties.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 12:13 PM
"It's not the negotiation the people of Nepal need. Not at all. Nepalese poeple need peace, prosperity, recognition around the world.. not a failed nation. "
Sadabichar, Are you dreaming? what is this all nonsense idealism? Damn! you ask others to drop idealism and vomit all fancy ideal words all over? Who is going to give Nepal and Nepali people "peace, prosperity, recognition around the world...?"
"Solution:
Neither we need negotiation, nor multi-party/one-part democracy. What has it do with Maoist? Communism?"
What kind of damn solution is this?
"All these politicians from all parties should forget about al the political idealisms they think they believe in. Think that they are first nepalis, and they are living in the country bounded by the borders. That's their identity. And think rationally and objectively, what Nepal really need now. "
What is this? Can you forget what you believe in? You are going on and on and on ---in that Pushkar Shah related thread then you come around here and offer a lousy solution--all the parties should forget about all the political idealism they think they believe in--what the *&^%! Forget everything--don't believe in anything then what?
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| bipin |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 12:41 PM
Two bits:
In Iran, they came to power and then imposed theocracy. In Nepal too, they can come to power and them impose one-party communism, especially if you let them conduct elections with the guns in thier hands. They don't believe in multi-party system at least not from the documents they have been circulating. The King is not a big fan of it either, given his own actions.
Well, if you really want the people to decide, here are some options:
Preconditions: Maoists surrender arms in front of the UN and or EU. The RNA and the police confined to security operations only. Should not be involved in the elections in any shape or form. Have a massive monitoring bodies all over the country to ensure a fair election on whatever we want:
Conduct a referendum on Monacrchy versus Republic State.
If the Monarchy wins, the current constitution is retained with the modification proposed by the gvt.
If the Republic State side wins, the monarchy will have a safe exit and the CA electios follow. The representatives, later to be converted into a parliament, writes a new constitution. No guarantee in outsome. It will be whatever the majority want it to be (2/3rd decides )
This is what I call people's verdict. Then everyone has to live with it.
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| Sadabichar |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 12:58 PM
It's all mind game..!!! :-)
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| bipin |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 01:07 PM
Yep!
Discussions, strategies, negotiations, arguments, counter-arguments, and solutions all require mind exercises.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 01:35 PM
"Conduct a referendum on Monacrchy versus Republic State."
Bipin,
What makes you think that such referendum is possible? Who is going to monitor such election in Rolpa and the like districts? Would you feel secure and free to go and vote for your choice? Also, what if that massive monitoring network (lets assume that's possible) of election declares, "the referendum is plagued with rigging". Then what do you do? You are asking either the King (means RNA) or the Maoist accept defeat. Does not sound so practical to me.
If the idea of consituent assembly is too much, then the idea referendum is way too much.
Negotiation-not killing- is the only way out-for now. Unless you can deliver "shock and awe" and remain.
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| bipin |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 02:49 PM
Don't get me wrong. It is much better to have all of the three parties concede some concessions. The Maoists are no mood to compromise right now. So, he only way is to get Indian help and soften them a little to make them concede. A total shock and awe is not possible. Let the second round of fighting begin and see what happens. Some RNA successes will perhaps make them think of a middle ground. This time they will not come with an ultimatum, hopefully. They must come to negotiatie.
Peace!
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 04:43 PM
I am wondering if Gyanendra is going to cut short his visit to UK and go back to Nepal, or take it easy and go around the Britain as if nothing has happened!
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 05:41 PM
Biswoji,
I don't think the King is going to cut short his visit. The pullout shouldn't surprised him to the extent of cutting his visit short.
Let's see what he does.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 06:09 PM
Biswo wrote:
"While I always stood for RNA, I found the ground realities a bit different."
Biswo, it's good to read this statement.
That's because, let's not forget that in the past whenever people here -- much closer to ground realities -- questioned RNA in any form or substance, you were -- away from the ground realities, very quick to denounce those people with colorful adjectives.
If nothing else, I hope your trip to Nepal has made you more sensitive to the fact that the truth here is much more complex and nuanced than what you were letting on prior
to your visit to Nepal.
They say that to a man holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Likewise, I wonder whether it's also true that to a man ideologically opposed to Gyanendra, this break in ceasefire too looks like additional opportunity to bash up Gyanendra all the more, EVEN WHEN the Maoists have put the blame somewhere else.
oohi
"closer to ground realities but can't write everything I see and hear for fear of my own life"
ashu
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| ashu |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 06:10 PM
Biswo wrote:
"While I always stood for RNA, I found the ground realities a bit different."
Biswo, it's good to read this statement.
That's because, let's not forget that in the past whenever people here -- much closer to ground realities -- questioned RNA in any form or substance, you were -- away from the ground realities, very quick to denounce those people with colorful adjectives.
If nothing else, I hope your trip to Nepal has made you more sensitive to the fact that the truth here is much more complex and nuanced than what you were letting on prior
to your visit to Nepal.
They say that to a man holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Likewise, I wonder whether it's also true that to a man ideologically opposed to Gyanendra, this break in ceasefire too looks like additional opportunity to bash up Gyanendra all the more, EVEN WHEN the Maoists have put the blame somewhere else.
oohi
"closer to ground realities but can't write everything I see and hear for fear of my own life"
ashu
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 06:43 PM
Ashu,
I understand the reason why you can't write everything. When I was in Nepal, I knew how the situation was.
As for 'that old' stuff, I would be replying to your accusation were you not working for Nepali Times. Keynes once said, "When realities change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"[not verbatim]The realities in Nepal have changed. Once there was an untested army, now the army is demystified. Once there was a king widely reverred by his subjects, now another king is widely reviled.
As for accusing Gyanendra Maharaj of everything even when Maoists have not done so, I fail to understand what you are implying.
Wish you safety in these times of turmoil there.
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| crazyeyez |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 07:24 PM
is communications in Nepal really so much monitored, that we cant speak even our minds anymore? what's next? the thought police....!!!
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| bipin |
Posted
on 27-Aug-03 10:00 PM
The news of the two army officers' killings in KTM should give us all some hints as to what's its like living in Nepal at the very moment.
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| sucharya |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 03:59 AM
Very unfortunate to see another round of bloodshed !
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GP ji,
You wrote:
it was a need of time. We can not wait them playing drama. There was not a real ceasefire in last 6 months, so this ceasefire off is just an end of CEASEFIRE in talk.
I do not think so. There was a real possibility for peaceful settlement. And it was not out of the enlightenment for peace on the part of warring sides, it was rather a compulsion. Given the impending interference by foreign forces, it was just a matter of common sense that there was virtually noting up to win by fighting a bloody war. Even the best possible scenarios for the winning party would have been much worse than the potentially achievable solution through peaceful settlement.
Iit is not possible now to go back to the Reformed Panchayat as dreamed by some rightwing elements in the government. Equally impossible is to establish a peoples republic by the Maoists. Why then are they resorting to their usual rhetoric? The problem is the poor management of the talk process. Blame goes to both sides but governments share is little bigger. And there is a lot to be explained about the political role of RNA in the context of Talk.
Maoist had given enough hints that they were ready to accept constitutional monarchy. But, the way government presented the agenda required the Maoists to accept constitutional monarchy in the format of ex-panchas (such as symbol of national unity or preamble of the constitution). It is important to remember the fact that even in the 2047 constitution, UML then fought tooth and nail to get rid of this logical inconstancy (a claim that people are sovereign but no way to challenge monarchy)!
Now, constitutional assembly has been presented as a stumbling block, but sometimes during the second round of talk, Maoists had given enough indications that compromise was possible even on the issue of constitutional assembly. Even in the third round of talk, government team could have, on the provisional basis, accepted the issue of constitutional assembly, and cornered the maoist on the issue of arm. Maoist arm was the most difficult issue for the maoist and it could pose a critical risk of exposing maoists otherwise claimed high logical ground. Opposing constitutional assembly is not an easy task when government negotiators need to defend the position as the patron of democracy.
Likewise, the Maoist should not have pressurized the King-appointed government to come with politically loaded agenda. When Kamal Thapa (who himself lost last election and his party, at best, can be expected to send just around a dozen MPs) claims about constitutional amendment that requires two-third majority of the parliament, is not it a big joke?
Pashupatinath le Sabailai Satbuddhi Diun!
Sucharya
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| ashu |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 04:12 AM
>>>As for 'that old' stuff, I would be replying to your accusation were you not working for Nepali Times.<<<
Biswo,
I do NOT actually work for the Nepali Times. For what's it worth, I write a column -- on
a relatively narrow topic of business -- for it twice a month, and so far have made NOT a paisa from my writings :-)
The issue here is NOT about revisiting old stuff. It's about but being perceptibly less dogmatic and less rigid upon encountering opinions that are quite different from one's own.
Nepal was and remains a complex place to be understood in purely black and white terms. That's all.
It's interesting you quote Keynes. It so happens that we in Nepal are waiting for someone to take a leaf from Keynes and our own version of -- what else? -- "The economic consequences of peace".
oohi
ashu
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 06:43 AM
Sucharya,
"Likewise, the Maoist should not have pressurized the King-appointed government to come with politically loaded agenda."
So, what should they (Maoists) have talked about then? What do you mean by politically loaded agenda? Without politically loaded agenda, who are they? Who cares to know?
What Maoists were expecting from SBT's govt. when they came to the table?
"When Kamal Thapa (who himself lost last election and his party, at best, can be expected to send just around a dozen MPs) claims about constitutional amendment that requires two-third majority of the parliament, is not it a big joke? "
I somehow agree with your expression.
**Maoists widely ignoring the govt. negotiate with "five-political parties" and strike a peace deal. After all what we want first is peace, No?**
Have you ever thought about this (above) scenario? What seems to be the flaw or failure, if any, in the above scenario, in your opinion?
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| bijaya.m |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 06:59 AM
Mr. Ashu,
Your posting clearly indicates that you are a man of good political sense but your reply to the persons having Gyanendra phobia will not bring any results. Look what he has said >"Now, is it time for our Gyanendra to reevaluate himself? Again and again, he rationalized his foolish decisions by saying that he made peace possible in Nepal. I agree with GP when he said there was no peace in the last six months. There was none, in deed. But the king and his henchmen pursued their agenda with deception. Now, they have very few people to defend their crooked regime."
A man in this crisis juncture of our nation has such an expression clearly indicates that he is in need pf psychiatric treatment. Maobadi were financed and nourished by the so called top leaders emerged after 2046 BS. Seven years have already passed of armed revolution, lootings, raping, kidnapping, extortion and killings. GP Koirala nourished these forces in during his regime? Otherwise why a leader of such a magnitude and incarnation of ancestral democracy for Mr. Biswo was not able to tackle the problem in his long tenure of office? Why? His utterances are same, which proves that GPK himself is posting these messages in the name of Biswo? Just like Nehru used to write, in disguise to show and prove his leadership, that there is no one except him to rule India in the name of democracy. I remember one article written by him After Nehru Who?
In Nepal people have started to realize the GPK has gone insane. When I read these postings of these people who has clear indication of buddhi ko aggirna bhaye ka, jasle afu lai yek matra vidwan thaneka chan tini haru ko vichar sadharan manish ko bichar sanga mildaina. A man who could not show the solution for the question they raise which you can find in Mr. Biswos long postings and expressions it shows how arrogant and biased this man is.
A man who has deep knowledge of our army, of our people poses himself as a Nepali with historical knowledge and knows every nook and corner of the modern history of Nepal knows nothing about the recent history of democratic practice, which has ruined the nation and brought the disaster for the country and their people, is this not a joke? He knows about the king, his capacity, some of the GPK fans like Mr. LC has gone to the extent to name the king even "raja bheda huncha" but who is real bheda? Bheda follows its leader blindly. Our country is in great danger we will have to solve our problem ourselves. A parted nation will not be able to preserve its democracy our big neighbor of south is also threatening Nepal from time to time just like Mr. Biswo trying to bully the king. It proves he is a great nationalist?? Is it so?
We have faced the challange from the south even declaration of naked war by All India Radia (Nehru with his henchmen) just before Indo-China war and we were was saved by China. China has proven to be a good and trustworthy friend but the dhoti has never proved by deeds that they are not friends> They always want to impose as big brothers and masters of Nepalese destiny and are never friendly to any of its any neighbors. Still India claims Sikkim as its integral part without any shame. India is retaining a big chunk of Nepalese and Bhutanese land as Indian territory which were in British India still has a colonial power.
In this crisis period I think all Nepalese should unite under one banner and face the challenge internally and externally. Critising our army is neither a solution nor a nationalistic thought.
If King Gyanendra will not take a firm hand to fight to the finish to the root cause of these disturbances I do not think any band-aid adjustment will be the solution. Thai king when he was asked to rule the country democratically he said to the western world that my people first need bread and development, without which democracy cannot function. Likewise, Nepal must grow in the same fashion.
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 07:26 AM
People,
This morning I went to visit my neighbor for guff-suff. With all the things going on in our country, I thought I needed some enlightenment. This gentleman is quite an sophisticated political pundit.
I asked him about the end of cease-fire by the Maoists, the bank lootings, and all the sundry killings of late. What is the significance of all this, I humbly asked him. He ran his fingers through his well-groomed beard and proceeded to enlighten me in a very wise manner:
"Actually, this is all part of the grand design. It is not the Maoists who broke the ceasefire. It is Gyanendra who broke the ceasefire...by going to London at this critical juncture, it is the King who broke the ceasefire. If the king really cared about peace, do you think he would go to London now? So by going abroad, the King snuffed out the cease fire.
About those bank robbery and extortions. It is just a ploy of the grand design to tarnish the image of the Maoists. The Maoists have never done such a thing and they will never do so. Instead, it is a secret gang run by the palace that goes about looting the banks and extorting the money from the people in the name of the Maoists. So the palace is doing its best to undermine the image of the Maoists.
And don't you believe what they say about the Maoist killing all those people. The Maoists are very kind, gentle, and peaceful people. Although they have the name Maoist, in their heart they have Gautam Buddha on one side and Gandhi on the other. They abhor violence, and are careful not even to harm a small insect or germ. That is why they have started to wrap a towel around their face, they don't want to accidently kill a fly or a germ by swallowing it. So how could these gentle souls kill any person?
All those killings are done by people themselves. Like when they said Deuba was attacked. Deuba's political future was bleak. So he created that incident to seek public smypathy.
Same with the killing of the colonels today. Their career was going nowhere, they wanted to create sympathy wave for themselves. So they arranged themselves to be shot. Now they have all the sympathy and the poor Maoists are being blamed for nothing.
That is exactly what happend with IGP Krishna Mohan. He was very jealous of Babu Ram's popularity with the people. So inorder to discredit Baburam and win public attention and sympathy for himself, he killed his wife, body guard and then himself.
So, my man, don't you believe anything they say about the Maoists. They are essentially good people who want to help Nepalis. The real propblem is with the grand design team that is headquartered in Narayanhiti."
At this point in the discourse, his wife came out with steaming cups of Nepali chiya. I savoured the tea with the gems of wisdom cascading from his beautiful mind. I am glad I decided to visit him this morining, because now it all makes sense.
SC, the now enlightened!
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 07:27 AM
People,
This morning I went to visit my neighbor for guff-suff. With all the things going on in our country, I thought I needed some enlightenment. This gentleman is quite an sophisticated political pundit.
I asked him about the end of cease-fire by the Maoists, the bank lootings, and all the sundry killings of late. What is the significance of all this, I humbly asked him. He ran his fingers through his well-groomed beard and proceeded to enlighten me in a very wise manner:
"Actually, this is all part of the grand design. It is not the Maoists who broke the ceasefire. It is Gyanendra who broke the ceasefire...by going to London at this critical juncture, it is the King who broke the ceasefire. If the king really cared about peace, do you think he would go to London now? So by going abroad, the King snuffed out the cease fire.
About those bank robbery and extortions. It is just a ploy of the grand design to tarnish the image of the Maoists. The Maoists have never done such a thing and they will never do so. Instead, it is a secret gang run by the palace that goes about looting the banks and extorting the money from the people in the name of the Maoists. So the palace is doing its best to undermine the image of the Maoists.
And don't you believe what they say about the Maoist killing all those people. The Maoists are very kind, gentle, and peaceful people. Although they have the name Maoist, in their heart they have Gautam Buddha on one side and Gandhi on the other. They abhor violence, and are careful not even to harm a small insect or germ. That is why they have started to wrap a towel around their face, they don't want to accidently kill a fly or a germ by swallowing it. So how could these gentle souls kill any person?
All those killings are done by people themselves. Like when they said Deuba was attacked. Deuba's political future was bleak. So he created that incident to seek public smypathy.
Same with the killing of the colonels today. Their career was going nowhere, they wanted to create sympathy wave for themselves. So they arranged themselves to be shot. Now they have all the sympathy and the poor Maoists are being blamed for nothing.
That is exactly what happend with IGP Krishna Mohan. He was very jealous of Babu Ram's popularity with the people. So inorder to discredit Baburam and win public attention and sympathy for himself, he killed his wife, body guard and then himself.
So, my man, don't you believe anything they say about the Maoists. They are essentially good people who want to help Nepalis. The real propblem is with the grand design team that is headquartered in Narayanhiti."
At this point in the discourse, his wife came out with steaming cups of Nepali chiya. I savoured the tea with the gems of wisdom cascading from his beautiful mind. I am glad I decided to visit him this morining, because now it all makes sense.
SC, the now enlightened!
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| ashu |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 07:31 AM
Could it be that the Maoists' political committee (headed by Babu Ram) and the Maoists' military wing (headed by Comrade Baadal and others) do NOT see eye to eye anymore?
Their military wing may be crying for war, while the political wing may be inching toward negotiations.
Caught in the middle could be elusive Comrade Prachanda, who -- having belatedly realized that cadres are no longer obeying his high command -- sees that his number one priority is to keep the House of Mao in order within the Rolpa Durbar by striking a truce between his own two quarrelling camps.
Babu Ram, let us not forget, has a long history of being the person to be thrown out of every communist factional group he was ever a member of.
oohi
ashu
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 08:07 AM
bijaya.m,
The reason why I don't reply to you is because you have an exaggerated sense of your importance here. The day you know how to write logical arguments, and talk with others, I may reply to your nonsense.
As for defending Gyanendra's crooked regime, if you want, go ahead, and I wish you good luck. The rest of Nepal will do better by knowing those who would like to defend the crooked regime.
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Ashu,
As for your assertion that there is a struggle between political wing and military wing, I find it very difficult to believe. There may be some struggles issuewise, but not about their aim and the need to unite. The politicians there , in fact, correctly understand their strength. When they were beleaugered, they agreed to the ceasefire. I think as long as they are victorious, they are going to be united. When they fail, then the chasm will stem from their exercise to apportion blames to their comrades.
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| 8-) |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 08:08 AM
SC jyu (the enlightned one),
Your analysis is the Grand-Design master minded by palace? Maoiost are king hearted? Attack on Deuba was a ploy by Deuba himself? Robbery and extortions are ploy to de-fame maoists? the list goes on and on.
I will only comment on the main ones. It is easy, real easy to believe on the conspiracy theory. Many people that have no clue what it is about believe on conspiracy theory. Do you have any proof? That palace is behind all this? Why would they be digging their own grave? Your neighbor is a NC member. Do not fall their prey. They are trying to cover themselves up for the mis-deeds and mis-rule that have done which has brought the country to its current state.
There were many published reports that maoists had skinned people before killing them. Old people were beaten to death just because they were the father of a policeman? Many people have died during the bank robbery. Maobadis have tried to destroy the infrastructure of the country that they call their own and you call all this kind hearted???
Maobadis have accepted the attack on Deuba and here you are defending Maobais and saying that they did not do it?
Read the recent news they just shot the bank manager and looted 2 million rupees and this is a ploy to defame the maobadisl (as if they had any fame)??
Maobadis are used to killings and extortions. They are enjoying the power and money. They are gundas that rule by threat, extort money from the locals, if they do not have money they take away the stored food (dhan). There are so many atrocities committed by maobadis and you call this "kind hearted"?
Enlighten me as well.
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| 8-) |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 08:11 AM
Biswo,
>The reason why I don't reply to you is because you have an exaggerated sense of >your importance here. The day you know how to write logical arguments, and talk with >others, I may reply to your nonsense.
I feel the same about you..
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| Mitra 2 |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 08:23 AM
Peace process has ended and the Maoists are back to the jungle. Now we know that many more poor Nepalese (poor maobadi, poor police, poor army, poor civilians) are going to get killed. Forget about general people's wish, hopes, expectations for peace.
Now, let's talk about who took advantage of the ceasefire/peace process?
1. Maobadi. They took a break from war. It was important for them. Without a break, no one can keep bouncing up higher and higher. Whether it was to collect more weapons, nurse their wounds, reunite with their family, or walk freely in the streets -- it was needed. Now they are ready to go. Plus, how many Maoists got freed from the govt. custody including top leaders? So, this truce was worthy for the Maoists.
2. Raja. He is showing the general mass that he is the man now. He has removed the elected govt. and his puppet govt is functing. He thinks he is listening to people and changing from Chand to Thapa. What are the odds that Gynendra could have done this if the Maoists were not in action? For this simple reason, I started to question if Raja and Maobadi are not working together to achieve their personal interests.
It is not important whether it is true or not. The important thing is that we have lost peace and freedom in the country because of them. MaHa jodi le bhanya 'nepali ko tauko ma footbal khelne tatwo' ti nai hun. Both of them are enemies of Nepal and Nepali's future.
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 08:41 AM
"The rest of Nepal will do better by knowing those who would like to defend the crooked regime."---Biswo
Please hajur, delete my name from this list of people who supported the crooked regime! I beg you comrade sir. I have recently been enlightened, so I will no more support the crooked regime, I will now support the revolusion in the way you guide me. I promise to reeducate myself in the right party line.
Please delete my name from the list before you decide to forward it for jana karbahi by the Red Guards. I am already beginning to poop in my pants...I tell you, I have been enlightened and I see the one and the only truth shown by you, oh great leader!
Yea, you can get the rest of the gang that supported the crooked regime, but keep my name off the list, God bless you sir, oops, I mean Beria bless your soul!!
SC, now really scared shit
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 08:42 AM
Mitra2,
"..It is not important whether it is true or not. ..."
It's absolutely important. How can you decide the right course if you don't know what and where is the problem.
Just blaming this and that and screaming "XXXX chor desh chhod", "XXXX ghusya lai fasi de" "xxx and yyy bhai bhai" won't bring peace. I don't think so. It can bring chaos not peace. Maoists can terrorize people more than security forces. We must admit. The security force, as thinly stretched as it is, won't be able protect all of us (who are seeking) even if it wants to. India has millions of security personnel but still can't check terrorist attacks in its certain trouble spots. So, I don't see security aparatus disarming Maoists with force. Terror is one of the, if not the, ace card Maoists hold. When terror rules reasoning falls unconscious.
We should focus on negotiations. Engage the Maoists in negotiation table not outside. Let their organization fall weak. Keep on negotiating. We can't afford a civil war.--- Just my thought.
Mitra 2, you are right in saying "Now we know that many more poor Nepalese (poor maobadi, poor police, poor army, poor civilians) are going to get killed."
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| 8-) |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 08:56 AM
Mitra 2,
Are you implying that NC / CPNUML that have ruined the nation and brought the country to its current state are the only hope for Nepal?
What would any sensible leader would have done if he was on the position that the king was on when he over threw Deuba govt? Deuba was not interested in getting the election done. He wanted to be in power. I support the king for trying to bring the country back to the track. There was an effort made for peace and there was a cease fire for the longest time in the history of insurgency. I hope that the root cause of the insurgency will be identified and rectified before we pay a bigger price.
2 cents from little jodi 8-).
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| RBaral |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 10:08 AM
There are two sides that need to compromise to bring about peace:
First side is the king, who enjoys the support of
1. RNA, a robust organization which once impressed East India Company, and lately, did excellently in the peace keeping forces internationally. They are well trained, disciplined, and most of the resourceful in the country.
2. A group of scholar struggling to outcompete their peers in apple-polishing game. This is a group of seemingly scholars who are desperate in establishing a nexus between the king and the country's very existence. This group consists of well read people who understands the history, limitation, and expected life of a tyrant monarchy. But their ultimate interest seems focused on the colossal benefit they will surmount within a foreseeable future, provided that their game works.
3. Residents of Kathmandu and other cities where maobadis' had less of an effect. This group expects the king and the RNA would delay the moabodi atrocities.
The second side, Maobadi, enjoys the support of the followings:
1. Peasants and rural less educated people. Of course, this is the group who expects to turn into a millionaire the moment the power is toppled.
2. Jana sena, which relatively, lacks training and logistics. This group is equipped with immunitions RNA was kind enough to surrender and provide at times of attack. The jan sena, though training deprived, is very well versed in maneuvering unconquerable hills of Nepal. That is their strength.
Question of the day:
What is left for the SBT government to deliver other than to wait from the king to be sacked?
Namaste,
Rishi
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 10:22 AM
The reason why I don't reply to you is because you have an exaggerated sense of your importance here. The day you know how to write logical arguments, and talk with others, I may reply to your nonsense.
Biswo,
learn to accept taht there are more than 6 billions people in the world who do not agree with what you have to say. Just because you don't seem to like someone for reasons beyond anyone's control does not mean, and I emphasize does not mean, that we all have to hate that person.
accept diversity dude.
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| Mitra 2 |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 10:30 AM
I'm for democracy, not for NC/CPN-UML. We all know that they messed up the country big time in 12 years. BUT it was transparent. Because of transparecy sooner or later people were going to be aware of their mis-deeds and deny them peacefully and democratically in the election.
BUT what is so transparent about King, about Maoists? How do we stop them? How do we deny them? Do you think it is SB Thapa who could say YEY or NAY about constitutional assembly (provided that he has the executive power)? I doubt it. We are talking about the same SB Thapa who has treated Sarad Chandra Shah like a trash (bhumigat giroha) his whole life but now appointed him to some post. Isn't this a dilemma?
My point is, people don't have any options to stop this bloodshed. They are powerless. Only King and the Maoists have option to stop it. They have the SOLE power to negotiate. That means, they are powerful. That's why I call them enemies of the country/people. People are supposed to be powerful in any situation.
Not a single life is worth losing for the Maoists or for the king. I condemn Maoists for their killings of innocent people. I condemn king for killing people. Please don't ask who he killed. If he didn't kill his own brother, fine. But his son killed janata ka chhora. Was he punished? If not, why bother talking about king himself? They can keep sucking nepal/nepalese in the name of unity or symbol shit.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 10:32 AM
SC,
Stop whining as if you have used your real name here, and I am going to forward them to the Maoists.And talking about Beria, you sound definitely like Goebbels yourself. I am not the supporter of the Maoists, which you would have known had you read my postings before.And when I was in Nepal, I was terrorized to some extent [extorted money] by both Nepal Police and the Maoists, with Nepal Police extorting significantly more than the Maoists. But during that period, I definitely knew who the people were more scared of, and who the people want urgently to get rid of. If you want to support the king, or the crooked regime that he has installed, you are free to do so. They may not have many years to rule, so why not fulfill your wishes rightnow?
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Mitra,
Excellent analysis there. I always said that the two extremists have more in common than in opposition: look what they dislike: liberty, democracy, free election, rule of law, freedom to speak their mind, decentralization and right to ordinary people. And see what they love: centralized power with one fella at the top, microcontrol at people's life, no election, extorting and terrorizing force to take care of people, no scholar with free mind to criticize them. With such common goals, why not they act like bedfellows? No wonder both these groups gained by truce.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 10:36 AM
IF,
>learn to accept taht there are more
>than 6 billions people in the world who
>do not agree with what you have to say
Didn't know there are 6 billions who DON'T agree with what I have to say. Thanks for coming up with that magical number.
>I emphasize does not mean, that we all
> have to hate that person.
Did I say I HATE that person?
IF ji, I don't hate dissenters. I don't even know that fella who comes up with all weird character in his name.
Take your example, do I hate you? We disagreed in so many issues. But we live together, and in harmony. More importantly, I always reply to what you respond to my postings.
As a person who understand that democracy and liberty are the most important to make our country successful, I respect the people who dissent with me, and I reserve the right to reply or not reply to them.
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 10:36 AM
biswo,
the regime is crroked in your view, not in everyone's view. now, don't be a democrat taht makes the maoists proud.
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 10:40 AM
biswo,
your replying or not replying to what i have to say does not matter to me. just as you have every rights to express yourself in this forum, i have my rights to say what i feel like. that's it.
also, i agree with you when you say, we have lived in harmony... but at times, you go overboard lao pengyou.. that's it.
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 01:01 PM
Biswo jyu,
So that means you would forward my name to the comrades if you knew my real name! The only reason you haven't done so is you haven't found out!! Man, you are becoming awafully scary! I told you, spare my life, I have since mended my ways and I promise to follow your party line henceforth.
I wonder how or when the police extorted from you...hmmm. I have heard the Nepal Police to be at fault on many other issues, but extortion from a USA return doctor saheb? I find that hard to believe, unless you were caught doing something fishy!
And Biswo jyu,
Thank you for giving me the permission to support the king and his crooked regime. Is that the new party line now? Despite your covert and overt panderings to the Maoist mayhem, this alone proves your true democratic credentials.
Lal salaam,
SC
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| 8-) |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 02:02 PM
IF and SC,
I am tired of self-proclaimed intellectualism in sajha. I am sure you know what I mean. "Man na man mein tera mehman."
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| 8-) |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 02:13 PM
contd..
What proof does this guy has to say that Gyanendra has established a "crooked regime"? He is bad mouthing others except the maobadis. This is new convert. Watchout!
>I am going to forward them to the Maoists
Biswo, I will point out your posting to FBI for supporting the terrorist organization and terrorizing others that you are going to report to your biraders. You are out of your frkg mind!
IF,
>... but at times, you go overboard
Not at times but most of the time and preaches harmony to others, prime example of hypocracy.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 02:24 PM
Hey,
Go and do this. Forward the postings to FBI.
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| ruck |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 02:29 PM
Ha Ha Ha now this is becoming awfully funny.. kasto baccha haru jasto eslai bhandinchu uslai bhandinchu... Grow up dudes...
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 04:25 PM
An article by Khagendra Sangroula published in the Kantipur a couple of weeks ago forced me to attend a gaijatra "haasyebengya" karyekram. That was a one-sided Gaijatra in that the paatras only know to bash the political parties--or rather, did not have the guts to tease the monarchy or the maoists (murkha dekhi daiba ta daraauchha bhane, why would any Sisnupani dude not be afraid of the king or the maoists?).
I had never thought I would be able to see another Gaijatra so soon. But this Gaijatra is more balanced than the one I saw earlier, so an optimist like myself should, I guess, sit back and relax. Ruck, we are all learning very good lessons from the political pundits here, aren't we? :)
Asti bharkhar panch-sarkaar le lyaayeko Agragami [Gaijatre] Prastaab, Gyanendra sarkar ko Gaijatre Yatra (desh bhari samasyai samasya bhayeko belaa health check up bhandai niskeko rajaa laai Gaijatre nabhane k bhanne?), Maoist haru ko Gaijatre cease-fire, teti le nabhayera yo Gaijatre thread...ahhh
Oohi
"na-oohi"
M.P.
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 04:27 PM
"know to bash" should be read as "knew how to".
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 04:33 PM
What is nongaijatre? M.P.?
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| lonely |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 04:45 PM
M.P. jiu,
Hajur ko dherai pachi darshan paiyo..thanks god...dhelai bahye pani chorai hos bhanchhan ni..tyo ni ramrai ho..
milchha bhane yeso fush fush yanta ko prayog garne ho ki, hajur?
hajur ko nepala reseach kasto bhayo kunni??? ki tyo pani nepal ko gaijatre situation bata highly influenced chha??
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| bipin |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 06:35 PM
A three-way compromising solution would have been the best outcome for Nepal. No one is blameless, so let's cut the crap of blaming one party or the other.
The fact that the Maoists were so quick to withdraw raises many questions, one of them being a possible rift within the rank and file. They did indeed try to kill Deuba, and I give high probability to this than trusting some lame excuse that Baburam gave us.
That aside, now the new game has begun. These are big boys, and I think the equilibrium will be moved with some decisive results. If the Maoists make some headways then the civil society and the parties will put pressure on Thapa to resign.
If the RNA does some heavy damage, then the Maoists have to come forward to accept negotiation and quite giving ultimatum next time. They must come to negotiate and offer some compromises. Pun hinted that the Maoists were not adament about CA. It is just that they did not like the way the gvt. put forward their agenda. It could an excuse for the Maoists to step forward again to try negotiating especially if the King end up appointing someone like Bhattarai.
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| bipin |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 08:46 PM
We need more of this:
50,000 to march for peace
KOL Report
KATHMANDU, Aug 29 - Alarmed at the Maoist unilateral abandonment of the cease-fire and the growing threat to peace and security, schoolchildren, teachers, parents and many more are set to march for peace on Friday, according to Private and Boarding Schools Organisation of Nepal (PABSON).
An estimated 50,000 participants are expected to join the peace march, which will begin at 9 am from Tundikhel and end at Bhadrakali, PABSON officials told the reporters at a press conference few hours after the gunmen, supposedly the Maoists killed a senior army officer in Kathmandu.
Around 300 different organisations including the Federation of Nepalese Chambers of Commerce and Industries (FNCCI), Nepal Chamber of Commerce (NCC), Hotel Associations of Nepal (HAN), Trekking Associations of Nepal (TAN), Mountaineering Associations and Nepal Scouts are expected to join the schoolchildren, parents and teachers in the peace march calling on both government and the Maoists to restrain from violence and resolve the differences between themselves, according to the PABSON president Umesh Shrestha. (sm)
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| maila dai |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 09:05 PM
Anyone knows how much it costs to "Heaven" Baburam Bhattrai & Prachanda????
I am willing to contribute $$$ if someone is interested in Nepal to hang those
double standard bastards........this is a serious stmt & if someone wants to join
this venture please email me.
Maila Dai
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| MohanGopal |
Posted
on 28-Aug-03 09:23 PM
Bipin,
Governmet is a total looser. Maoists needed to recollect themselves from the pandemonium created by the army. 7 months gave them plenty of time to recollect, communicate with each other, make more strategies and what not in the name of peace process.
If I were the PM, I would lure them to round table and make them disappear. That would have been the best strategy. But again, you are dealing with Gyanendra, the looser. What does he know the P of policitcs?
MohanGopal
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| rajunpl |
Posted
on 29-Aug-03 01:45 AM
Well, The statement given by prachanda is not that unreasonable.That's seems true till many extents.
I dunno what's King G wants in london.In london
a) If he thinks he will gain supports like the visit of tony blair before GWII, he will not.
b) He should know that the democratic london is governed by HOUSE OF COMMON. it is not like him who destroyed the constituent assembly.
If I were him..!
I would learn the PARLIAMENTARY MONARCHY and bring that back to nepal
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| allare |
Posted
on 29-Aug-03 02:29 AM
Many times sajhaieites had discussed alot about , who is bad and who is good, and so far hardly any one here has changed their stand.
Those who were singing bhakti sangeet for King are still singing same, no matter what will be the future of Nepal, those who were singing bhakti sangeet for GPK are still in same tune despite lots of unfolded story about his grand design and blah blah, and in same way, other are also standing in their own opinion...
So, what ?? We simple guys, who have no strong affiliation (at least me) with any party, king, can not change our view and always try to bash other saying that you are nonsense and not intellectual enough to argue with me, How can we expect the govt(KING), Maoist and Political party to come in same table and join hand and settle the difference for sake of Nepal ?
If we simple guys(with fake name) can not digest others view and can not say, oh yeah, you are right and always show stubborn attitude, then how can we expect desired peaceful solution from those much more (so called) talented stubborn political figure ?
Sajha has proved many times that, its really hard to change one's attitude and opinion then why do we always fight on same issue saying who is right and wrong.
Why do not we discuss, what should have done instead of who is right and wrong?
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| bijaya.m |
Posted
on 29-Aug-03 01:04 PM
Mr. Biswo,
>The reason why I don't reply to you is because you have an exaggerated sense of your importance here.
Your reply was uncalled for because I have only expressed my view about your over exaggerated expressions without addressing you directly.
Now, I am very much afraid of you?? You have a majestic personality with a laptop. Your threat of reporting to your boss RAW or someone else, have shaken me to my toe? Your posting insulting Mr. 8-) in the thread of your bosom friend Parmendra Bhagat has shown your true picture of your gentlemanliness. I now know that you are like Bombay pattern mawali gangster here in sajha. How can I ever dare to challenge your great position you pose to have acquired for some time?
Mr. Do not under-estimate others. Decency only works with gentlemen, there is a proverb "shathe shathyam samacharet". A stubborn fool will never yield to the reason. I have no grudge against you. Your hatred shown towards the kingship of Nepal, the very existence of Nepalese nation from the time of PNS up to GBBS shows your foul motive against the natives of Nepal indicates how communal you are? Crossing the limit of decency is NOT DEMOCRACY nor democratic right. If democracy would have solved every problem instead of visiting Nepal you should have gone to Nagaland, BodoLand, Khalistan, Kashmir and tell us why there were so many killing in the past? Some gentlemen like you has a thinking, opposing the kingship or the king of Nepal is the only way to prove they are ultramodern democrats like Lendup Dorje of Sikkim. Now it is a historical fact.
Everyone is free to express his or her views in a decent manner. Using abusive words or calling names is not the work of a gentleman. Your love and affection for Mr. GPK a proven bastard and a crook proved by his deeds and long rule, clears your interior motive? The lust of power for corruption is the main motto of GPKs democracy. You have forgotten your GPK's crooked regime based on his evil deeds, against his own party leaders, even toppling party government. He left no stone un-turned to denounce and de-fame democracy? Who is responsible for the bankruptcy of the nation? Is this not the outcome of thirteen years of "glorious" democratic practice?
India has not put any blockade on Bhutanese government when Bhutan issued work permit to the Indians. The same thing Nepal wanted to introduce as a sovereign country at the time of BBBS Indian grand-design started? The first revolutionary government headed by KP Bhattrai leading coalition government visiting Delhi with a very big delegation to show their humble respect to Delhi Durbar for their contribution, readily accepted the hegemony of Indians without any hesitation and shame in joint communiqué? If you want to know the details read the joint communiqué, which clearly indicates Indian design. Nepal is not connected directly with Bhutan but why the people from Bhutan were pushed by India inside Nepal at the time when its henchmen were in power as refugees for more than a decade now? Who is responsible for these acts?
Everyone who lives in Nepal and thinks that this is my mother- land is a Nepali but for you the communal design is the only motto. You are also wearing the emperors new cloth of your own creation. Too much of everything is bad. Dont forget the history of your origin. Were your ancestors enslaved for many centuries?
>The day you know how to write logical arguments, and talk with others, I may reply to your nonsense.
Who cares about your sense weather it is a sense or non-sense, nor I want to be taught by you about the logical argument of yours as you have said that I should not teach you what is demon-crazy.
>As for defending Gyanendra's crooked regime, if you want, go ahead, and I wish you good luck. The rest of Nepal will do better by knowing those who would like to defend the crooked regime.
Accusation is an easy work, do you have any substantial evidence to prove your nasty remarks? Please give us a single example, why you keep repeating the silly remarks of yours "crooked regime".
You have tried to prove your heavyweight with very dynamic personality, intellectuality who has got friends in the army, police and even among the maobadis. But could not know why you did not mention the names of NC and CPNUML leaders as your bosom friends and your high contacts in India.
I was so afraid with your personality that I could not dare to address you directly, even then your lordship was so kind enough to address me with such a highly logical and intellectual argument for which I am obliged for your greatness and generosity. Thanks.
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| 8-) |
Posted
on 29-Aug-03 02:28 PM
bijaya.m jyu,
Very well said. I have noticed what you have said from time and again that there are people in sajha that have the same mentality as you have just said mawali. It is not only against me but there are others that are victim of abuse of this guy. If nothing works he even threatns to kill the family members (by reporting to the maobadis). I have never seen anyone of such a low mental standard who poses to be an intellectual. It is the irony of the information age, even a crooked bastard can market himself if he knows how to use the right verbage.
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| mustange |
Posted
on 29-Aug-03 03:58 PM
I think to abolish monarchy from Nepal is next step of Indian game plan to extend her northern border. This is just my speculation, I might be wrong.
Mustange
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on 29-Aug-03 05:00 PM
mustange jyu,
I am very much in same line as IF said above. Maoists suddenly walking out from talks also hint that there might be a shift in Indian policy about Nepal. We have to wait and see.
I really hope that India does not play/direct/orchestrate in internal politics of Nepal like it has always been doing. If you read the RAW reports of Nepal you will be surprised how much Indian infiltration exists. India needs to wake up and realize that peace and stability of the region is very important for India as well. I am following Indian Ambassador's speech lately and it seems that this idea is getting momentum however I do not see immediate changes to the policies and procedures that are already in place on dealing with Nepal.
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