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| Learner |
Posted
on 01-Sep-03 04:20 PM
Baburam Bhattarai who topped SLC of BS 2026 and I.Sc. of BS 2028.
I know him since his college days in ASCOL (Amrit Science College). He was a quiet and very cool. He hardly talked. But in every subject, he topped the marks. Later, after ISc. he went to study Architectural Engineering in Chandigarh where he topped also. He never acquired second position. Such an intelligent person one could only imagine. I know, he could have gone for foreign jobs and easily got one. An average person knows how to earn more and more money for himself and his family. I have so many engineer friends who are so wealthy even working in Govt. offices like sadak bibhag, khane pani, bhavan bihag, irrigation dept, khane pani bibhag and so on... But I still wonder, why he is not like everybody else and went mad after money but chose to stay underground risking own life... He certainly would have got a job in UN or World Bank or Asian Dev. Bank...an international job earning thousands of dollars a month. Is he so much after power that is so important for him? Please give your comment....
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| ghamandi |
Posted
on 01-Sep-03 05:14 PM
Well, that's good point!
Is there so much addiction in having power than in wealth?
What's wrong with him to waste his immense intelligence?
I wish, I had his capabilities and brain so that I would be earning dollars...
It is indeed a matter to think about... no one risks own life without any reason.
May be he is like me --- Ghamandi
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| intruder |
Posted
on 01-Sep-03 05:40 PM
...Or may be he is a total psychopath
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| yoUnGbLooDZ |
Posted
on 01-Sep-03 06:42 PM
intruder.. i think ur ryte.. he perhaps is sufferin frm mental disorder..
like u see in movies.. those who r psychopath.. usually r intelligent n sharp minded.. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
yb
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| GurL_Interrupted |
Posted
on 01-Sep-03 07:23 PM
Or maybe becoz he cares; :-s! & his values and definition of ' life' is different than 99% of the people in this world!
Eeeeh! If only I dreamed, dared and acted out my dreams like him, Life would be heaven!...*sigh* IsssssssssssssssH!
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| Golkhadi |
Posted
on 01-Sep-03 07:43 PM
Be Careful, maoist are collecting funds for their campaign with the nepalese living overseas...so called representative of maoists are knocking the doors and collecting info about where u live in nepal and how much u are willing to help them...this is VERYYYYY SERIOUS..
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| bhenda2 |
Posted
on 02-Sep-03 06:35 AM
What about calling 911 or reporting them for extortion....No f**king Maoist is going to looto me in this country.
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| dhananjya |
Posted
on 02-Sep-03 09:08 AM
I am with Gurl_Interrupted. May be he cares.
May be he cares about those who take one mail in 24 hours.
May be he cares about those who have no money for medicine.
May be he cares about those who are supressed.
May be he cares about those who have no cloth to put on.
May be he cares about those who have no roof to live in.
May be he cares about those who have no shoes in cold winter.
May be he cares about those who are bound to be laborur in their early 10.
May be he cares about those who are swiming in the tear bath and have no piece of cloth to wipe out tears.
He must be compassionate for real nepali. I have cried so many times seeing the real picture of nepal. I am very soft hearted person, can't see miseary.
I am putting myself in his place. I would not appreciate what the leaders and beurocrats are doing. I also have thought to go against the system to wipe out the tears of my brothers, sisters , mothers and fathers. But my way would be just opposite to Baburam's. He took the way of violence, i would have followed Gandhi. Perhaps he does not know one law of nature that violence can never end violence.
if he has done this all out of compassion, I suppose he will do good during he is in power. he can not give gaurrenty for next generation. nepales have to die again to remove maoists from power. I can never appreciate his way but I appreciate his volition if he thinks as i think about most of the nepalies.
I may be wrong, because I don't know about him at all. I am writing all these seeing our country and its state. These all are my feelings.
I am thinking of writing an aritcle " is the path followed by baburam inew or somebody else have followed before in our history and tradition?".
dhananjya
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| thaag |
Posted
on 02-Sep-03 09:45 AM
May be he cares about those who take one mail in 24 hours.
-That's why he destroyes infrastructure so it would take 24 days...
May be he cares about those who have no money for medicine.
-That's why he kills these poor soldiers who is only source of income for their family and sends poors to die in the war.
May be he cares about those who are supressed.
-Tryes to supress every body so they all would be equal (like Mao)
May be he cares about those who have no cloth to put on.
-And gives them military posak and a gun too...
May be he cares about those who have no roof to live in.
-And takes them to Jungle so the tree crown becomes roof..
May be he cares about those who have no shoes in cold winter.
-and gives them milatary boot and a bomb....
May be he cares about those who are bound to be laborur in their early 10.
-So he can put them on his army at 11
May be he cares about those who are swiming in the tear bath and have no piece of cloth to wipe out tears.
-He makes them cry more and make more people cry(just look at situation in country)
just a thought
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| Learner |
Posted
on 04-Sep-03 01:36 PM
HEY! MR. THAAG, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN BY
LOHAA LOHEE KO KATATA HAI. ?
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| laatamora |
Posted
on 04-Sep-03 03:44 PM
I have read about Gandhi, he says " An eye for eye will make all blind."
It is absolute truth .... Oh! Baburam or Prachanda dai, please, what are you doing?
Please, be a member of this sajha.com and tell us what you are doing?
I am laata but when I see bloodshed, I become nervous and extremely sorry. How long is this going to go? I am scared.
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| bhenda2 |
Posted
on 04-Sep-03 04:59 PM
I just dont understand what Baburam and his comarades are thinking...what good could they really bring to our society after all this death and destruction?Like Latamora I am very nervous about the situation in Nepal...I am scared and worried for my family and friends and everybody who is suffering...
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| barad |
Posted
on 04-Sep-03 06:41 PM
they are mad thats what they are!
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| kalekrishna |
Posted
on 05-Sep-03 02:09 AM
Dhananjaya's:
May be he cares about those who take one mail in 24 hours.
Thag's
May be he cares about those who take one mail in 24 hours.
-That's why he destroyes infrastructure so it would take 24 days...
I guess it was meal what the former wanted to say.
Anyway, how can equality prevail and sustain. Is it a struggle to make all equal (poor), so there no longer remain class difference.
Some confidiental sources mentioned that top guns of the rebels frequently surf sites that includes Sajha. It may not be surprising if some ghost replies may try to answer some of our friend's concerns and queries.
However if it does happen I also have a question?
Where are we really heading toward and when and how will it be achieved?
Where is the brain (with the maoist), to run a country if ever they get to?
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| selfexplorer |
Posted
on 05-Sep-03 05:16 AM
It's so disgraceful to all nepalese, that an extremely intelligent person like Baburam Bhattarai, resort to violence, in the name of revolution. Thousands of innocent brothers and sisters have been killed, what for? Doesn't he know that Communists are being wiped out from the world because it is most unnatural, even China, Cuba, North Korea have realized that.
When we look at the nature, we see varieties in everything - birds, flowers, animals and so on. The world cannot go on without class differences. If everyone is a millionaire, who will work in the fields and grow food? But I do agree that in Nepal, too much has been going on regarding looting of our country's every resources.
This world is heading towards crisis due to more improvers than necessary. So, I would like to request the maoists brothers and sisters to explain clearly what are their intentions. Don't we need to come back to our country?
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| eminem8 |
Posted
on 05-Sep-03 08:05 AM
To judge Dr. Bhattrai, i look at one single aspect.
OK, lets assume that the great honorary Dr. really believes that what he is doing is for the best of the country. There is no reason for him not to trust his beliefs, because as someone pointed out, he never stood second.........so he is used to his theories being right atleast most of the time.
So, back to the point where he strongly believes that this revolution is for the best of the country and that every able-bodied men and women should take part in this to rid our great country from the evils of the present political situation. So, if he believes so, then why is his daughter safe and sound in some town in England? Why is she not fighting along side the peasents from the villages? And the doctor is fighting this war to make sure that every nepali is equal, but the way he is fighting the war is anything but equally. His party is recruiting members by hook or by crook, sons and daughters of 'ordinary' villagers, but his own daughter is safe and sound from all the chaos. Or is she not 'ordinary', just like the monarchs our brilliant doctor is so against. Well, again, let us think what will happen he succeds in taking over this kingdom. Is his daughter goiing to be able to get away with 'unfortunate accidents' committed by her, as our royal families usually do? Then what will be the difference...................I personally dont see any.
Therefore, i dont see the doctor any better than almost all the 'intellectuals' involved in the current nepali politics, all of them want power and say be 'more equal' than others while assuring everybody else that they are all equal.
-Shady
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| nepalipanda |
Posted
on 05-Sep-03 08:52 AM
Friends:
Good discussion about the Maoists and Dr. Bhattarai in particular. Just remember, many good bookish scholars are good at what they do but are prettyn poor in leadersip. They even have a warped perception about the reality. Otherwise, we would have seen a lot of PhDs and scientists as presidents and PMs. It takes a lot more than classroom performance and memorrization skill to lead the country. His views are outdated and very dangerous for the country. First, he does not believe in sanitity of human lives, else he would have tried to do everything in his power to save lives and still get things done through peace talks. He wants to uproot everything good as well as bad to instill his own brand of gvt. system --communist regime. Killing is a part of his process and it does not matter who he kills. Deuba, Kandel, armies, NC and UML cadres, burn houses, destry bridges, schools, factories...his philosophy is destructive. His praise for Khem Rouge is chilling. Unite and stop his ideology. The current system is not perfect and has to wake up to face this menace. He should come and face the elctions, fair that is.
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| peda |
Posted
on 05-Sep-03 03:44 PM
There is difference between education (i.e. having a degree) and having knowledge. The very fact that this person is bent on destroying the very little we have had means that his education was futile.
All of us know that the route cause why this problem flourished in our society is the prevalent inequality. Talking extreme, there are two ways of bridging the gap. The first more difficult path is the uplifting of the deprived. The second option is to destroy everything. Nobody needs a PhD to indulge in destructive activities.
All of us have heard of ganglords becoming rich. Maoists are a bit like that. They are used to easy money that comes out of robbing banks and extortions. They will now find it very hard to sweat out for bread.So the problem will probably never completely go away.
The wise people have achieved a lot in the past by non-violent means. Gandhi got rid of even the then British empire. If this guy was really knowledgeable, there was election in place and he could have tried to convince the Nepalese people.His PhD was not useful then.
The talk of him getting any job he wanted is a non-starter.You need to be able to do something constructive for such jobs, not just swim in a pool of Nepalese blood.
I sincerely hope that good sense will prevail and further bloodbath avoided. Human life is something which needs to be respected and celebrated.
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| learner_1 |
Posted
on 05-Sep-03 10:36 PM
Baburam should not use DR. in front of his name.. nor others should call him Dr.
PhD is not suitable for him OR he dosn't need Dr. title to continue the struggle. What doesn he think about this - would he not join this rebellion hadn't he never got Dr. degree? I guess he would!! So why he still has hangover of this Dr.? Drop it.
Dr. degree is not suitable for him who approved bloodbath.
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| tankahang |
Posted
on 06-Sep-03 11:15 AM
yeah that fukin bastard is after power.he is fukin crap and he totallly proves that only education dont make you a goood person.that fukin bastard is use to nobody.he is a shame a disgrace for the country.here the country has not finished the process of evolution and this bastard talk about revolution.fuk him
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| SelfExplorer |
Posted
on 07-Sep-03 04:47 AM
If you look back the history of mankind we notice that mankind has been always fighting and fighting. Our mind is looking for every possible reason to fight. That's how we really are. Even in a family, there are a very few families who live lovingly and peacefully. That clearly shows that there is something wrong in us. And what is the cause of this disease in us ? There is something which is fundamentally wrong in our society - politically, economically, socially. Unless the root problem is realized by all and we all work together towards correcting it, peace is never going to come. WE WILL JUST BE DOING A PATCH UP WORK...
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| DHANANJAYA |
Posted
on 07-Sep-03 12:07 PM
SelfExplorer, You got the point. I would like to say, you are wise.
What is the cause of the disease?
Simple answer, the cause of disease is ignorence.
What is ignorence? Well, ignorence has to do nothing with illitreacy and uneducation. Ignorence is the father of craving and abortion and these two are parents of all mental defilements like greed, hatred, illwill, anger, lust and so many other that cause mental disorder. And these are the cause of the disease which are effecting almost all nepali of all level.
there is a lot of anger and hatered in Babu's heart. he is vomiting it. seeing his vomit, others who are in his contact are also vomiting. this is vomit alergic of our society. they will vomit whatever they have in their stomach. This is pitiest condition of our society.
There is a law of nature, one must be agitated if one generates anger. whatsoever may be the reason, nature will punish and certainly punish if someone generate anger. the punishment is agitation, restlessness, Dukkha. This is permanent law of nature. I am sure Babu does not know this law. May be he is generating anger for good reason ( to set nepalese free from corrupted leadership). Anger is anger. He must suffer and he is sharing that suffering to others, a lot many nepalis with him as well as against him. This is Babu's ignorence. he is unware of this law of nature or he ignores this law of nature. This is real ignorence. he is suffering out of this ignorence and making people suffering around him. THE IGNORENCE IS DISEASE OF DISEASE, MASTER DISEASE.
Hungry stomach does not understand Dhamma. I am with Babu in this regard. One Brahman, who was wondering in search of his lost bull, happen to come to Jetvan, where Buddha was delivering discourse. Buddha stop his discourse and ask Vikkhus to fed him first. After feeding he delivered discourse and Brahman grasped the Dhamma and became Sottapanna, entered in the stream of liberation. Then Buddha said, if he were delivered discouse to hungry brahman, the brahman would not have understood dhamma at all. and would not get benefit. Really empty stomach is another disease which even prevent to realize ultimate truth. Trust me there are so many struggling for full stomach in our country.
There are constructive ways to give food to peoples. I am not with Babu's distructive style. I would be his fan if he were helped even a single person to find food. He does not know what to do after full stomach. Those people who have died in so called his peoples war, would have tendency to realize absolute truth, would have calliber to kill grand disease Ignorence. His diseased mind ruined them. The ignorence is thousand times dangerous disease than hunger. I would say they are incomparable.
I am optimistic that one day Babu's venom will stop poisoning. I am optimistic that one day contaminated political system comes to an end. I am optimistic that one day vision of greedy leaders who always think only about themselves will be changed. i am optimistic that one day rotten burocrates will stop spreading bad smell. Those who will servive, will find better way of living. This miracle will happen soon. Dharma will bring this miracle, Dharma, the law of nature. I don't know how long it will take, but I am seeing in near future, dharma will eradicate both diseases, ignorance as well as hunger. Dhamma is master medicine. Dhamma is Sanjivani Buti. My brothers and sisters will be realistic, they will understand the laws of nature, Dhamma and will follow it for peace and happiness.
DHANANJAYA
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| sadabichar |
Posted
on 07-Sep-03 01:39 PM
Ignorance is the father of craving and abortion ...
I guess, not *abortion* but it should be *aversion*
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| sadabichar |
Posted
on 07-Sep-03 01:55 PM
Dhananjaya has brought up a very valid reasoning for what causes disruption of mind and matter in the contect of Nepal's prevailing situation. Which is true for every part of the World as well.
Osho Rajanish also stressed on eliminating the hunger first before trying to remove ignorance. In a way, Rajanish made so many discourses in his life, which is almost another version of what Budhha taught. The only style was different in Osho's case. With empty stomach one cannot understand anything. And thanks to Dhananjaya for bringing up the story of Hungry Brahman and Budhha, which is illustrate the true picture of problem in Nepal.
If you knew what I know about the power of giving, you would not let a single meal pass without sharing it in some way.
- Buddha
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| sewak |
Posted
on 07-Sep-03 02:44 PM
Buddha also said if you practise dharma true to your heart, a monk or nun will never face starvation or no clothes to wear. But no matter what, law of karma applies if one believes in Buddha. The very fact of reincarnation is because of law of karma. Even Buddha had to go through that.
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| sadabichar |
Posted
on 07-Sep-03 05:27 PM
They are not following dharma who resort to violence to achieve their purpose. But those who lead others through nonviolent means, knowing right and wrong, may be called guardians of the dharma.
- Buddha
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| KaleKrishna |
Posted
on 07-Sep-03 08:36 PM
What is the disease?
Yes, it is indeed ignorance as intelectuals in the forum have rightly pointed out.
But adding to it is our reluctance to perform our duty rightly, for the family, comunity, society, nation and humanity. We rarely endure an extra effort to perform something which we know is not right, but ignore if it does not immediately benefit us. How many of us really look for far-reached consequences that may go beyond our lives.
"Afu mare pache Dumai raja"--is deep rooted in our genes and its expression has been most profound in the current generation. Unless gradual evolvement for thinking beyond self does not materialize BB's gonna be born to exploit the cause to justify their crusade.
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| DHANANJAYA |
Posted
on 07-Sep-03 10:59 PM
I am so sorry friends, its indeed aversion. Thank you sadabichar, thank you very much.
NAHI VAIRENA VAIRANI SAMMANTITHA KUDACHANAM
ABARE NA SAMMANTI ESA DHAMMO SANANTANO
violence can not be ended by violence, violence can only be ended by non violence, this is well established natural law.
DHANANJAYA
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| mickthesick |
Posted
on 08-Sep-03 10:55 AM
Dear friends!
Baburam Bhattarai doesn't care about anyone...do you really think he is fighting for the poor people? Well think again!
i have no doubt that he started this war with a good motif but now he himself doesn't know what he wants and what he is supposed to ask with the government and the king. he is lost . really.
but it's not his fault. He started this war but right now he has no control over it. The remote is in the hands of the Indian government. He follows the orders. he is no more the order giver.....he is an order taker now.
he doesn't let anyone know but he is ashamed of himself today because he knows that his mission has gone wrong. Do you really think he enjoys killing people? The leader has no control over his maoist army now. The maoists have started functioning in different groups......they no longer take orders from their leaders. That's why there have been increased number of killings.
A message to Baburam: Your mission has gone wrong and you know it.
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