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| nepalipanda |
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on 17-Sep-03 08:12 PM
FailedState Asked if the following can happen in Nepal. Read the summary and then the whole interview done by Prachand, and decide for yourelf.
There is no hint of any democratic ideals and a multiparty system of government.
He calles our Magar, Gurungs, and Rai ethnic Nepalis as Mangolians and Chinese looking people. He says that he believes in destruction and booldshed to seige power. He does not mind saying: "for our cultural revolution, thousands and thousands have to be prepared to be sacrificed." He even goes several steps further and says "half the polulation can be sacrificed to start the new beginng," quoting Mao. He seems to carry the torch for the entire revolutionary campaign that went on in Peru, Iran, Turkey, Northern India, the Phililpines.
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| nepalipanda |
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on 17-Sep-03 08:24 PM
The entire interview is quite revealing and the link is given below. But a short summary is presented:
Revolutionary Worker reporter Li Onesto interviews Comrade Prachanda, General Secretary of the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) Febvruary 20, 2000
* This Cultural Revolution inspired mainly the younger generation of communists and the masses. And at the same time young people in the communist movement were also inspired by the Naxalite Movement in India. There was a big ideological and political debate for 10 years after the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, and all our leadership team is a product of that ideological struggle.
*And in western Nepal there are the Mongolian ethnic groups-you saw how all our comrades there look "Chinese." These nationalities are so sincere and such brave fighters-historically they have had this kind of culture.
*The revisionist parties and revisionist leaders always teach the people the question of reform, reform, reform. And reform is reformism, is revisionism. But the question of making leaps is revolutionary. We condemn all the revisionist cliques as vulgar evolutionarism. We are revolutionary, and revolution means breaking with continuation and the question of making leaps.
*From the RIM Committee, we got the experience of the PCP (Communist Party of Peru).... we were also having direct and continuous debate with the Indian communists, mainly the People's War (PW) and Maoist Communist Center (MCC) groups.
*...but came to see the practical implications of this proletarian internationalism, what practical role it played. We made the point to the RIM Committee that when the People's War in Nepal faces setbacks, then it will not only be a question for the CPN (Maoist), but will directly be a question for the RIM as a whole.
*...People's War, Maoist Communist Center and others in the revolutionary struggle in India have been involved in this process in one way or another. We understood right from the beginning that we should try to involve more and more sections of revolutionary masses in the process of our initiation. Therefore, beforehand, we made some investigation of the Bihar in India. We went to Andhra Pradesh to look at the struggle there and we tried to understand the practical situation and practical problems of armed struggle.
*Mainly, the debate and discussion in the RIM was very helpful. And after the initiation, with this debate, this big result, thousands and thousands of Indian masses came to understand the People's War in Nepal. And our People's War also helped the whole international movement-because there had been a big setback with the People's War in Peru [with the capture of the PCP's leader, Chairman Gonzalo and the emergence of a right opportunist line]. At a South Asian conference, I told other parties that in this situation the question of helping Peru was not only a question of giving the revolutionaries support, but that we have to initiate People's War in our own countries. That would be the big help. And after the initiation of the People's War in Nepal it has been proven-we helped the PCP, we helped the RIM as a whole, we helped the whole revolutionary masses. And we also took help from all over the world.
* And in the plan for initiation we had a military plan to attack the police force, the landlords, the local goons in the rural areas. But we did not have a big plan for sabotage in the capital city because, at that time, we did not want to create a situation where with one stroke the intellectuals would go away from us. We wanted to sustain their support. We did not want to make the intellectuals in the capital city or other cities run away and stop working with the party.
*But when we got a report from Rolpa, Rukum, Gorkha, Sindhuli, Kabre, the rural areas, there was confidence among the masses and the revolutionary cadres. The sentiment there was, "Yes, we have done a big job. Now new life has started." There was new mass support and mass upsurge in the rural areas. But in the city, the intellectuals were vacillating so much, they were so terrorized, and we saw that this was a question of class. Which class thinks that now we are taking destiny into our hands ? This was the situation, and so we had to wage ideological struggle in the cities.
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| nepalipanda |
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on 17-Sep-03 08:25 PM
Contd:
*And after one year, we saw further big transformation in the rural areas. Thousands and thousands of mass organizations were built up, and in new areas the party's influence spread and new organization developed. Some petty bourgeois revolutionaries, due to terror, fled to India, to Arab countries and other places. Others stayed strong. And at the same time, in the rural areas, there was a mass upsurge of women, and thousands of full-time cadres came forward. People who we did not know beforehand became heroes, really. Just one year after the initiation, for one month, I was in Rolpa, Rukum, Jarjarkot, Salyan, and I saw, and our party saw, that a new thing had developed. The people were not only fighting with the police or reactionary, feudal agents, but they were also breaking the feudal chains of exploitation and oppression and a whole cultural revolution was going on among the people. Questions of marriage, questions of love, questions of family, questions of relations between people. All of these things were being turned upside down and changed in the rural areas.
*We came to understand Mao's vision that the backward rural areas will be the basin of revolution-the real base of the revolution. We saw in Rolpa, Rukum, Gorkha, Sindhuli, Kabre, the seeds of the new society, the examples to inspire people. Everywhere in the country, in the revolution, the masses feel proud of their Rolpa and Rukum. And we see, at the ground level, on the mass level, that the transformation process is not only in the party and mass organizations, but among the masses as a whole. The chains of feudal oppression, mainly feudal relations, are breaking.
*And in the capital city, as you already know, there is vacillation among some intellectuals.
*Peoples of the oppressed nationalities-the Mongolian peoples, the Terai peoples and the far western peoples-have been very sympathetic to the People's War. They feel it is the only alternative for them. And this is also a big victory for the People's War and a big defeat for the reactionary ruling class. So many new organizations among the oppressed nationalities developed after the initiation, like the Magar National Liberation Front.
*Nobody, not even the ruling class people of oppressed nationalities, dare to oppose our policy. They are forced to say that this policy of the Maoists is correct. There are so many members of parliament who say, "Yeah the policy of Maoists is correct for oppressed nationalities."
*Without destruction there will not be construction, as Mao and other great leaders have said. But which is principal? After the initiation we said, for us, destruction is principal, construction is secondary. And when we reach the point of seizing and exercising real power, at that point, questions of construction will be the main point. But even then, there will be a question that without destruction there will not be any construction. Like Mao said, people usually think that war is very destructive, war is very bad, it kills people, all these things. But people do not understand that war is a great process of construction. War has a very big cleansing effect. We also try to teach the people and train the cadre to understand this.
*Our squads succeeded in carrying out some important ambushes and some important raids and that terrorized the police. They suffered a kind of defeat. And at that point in the villages there were not any Village Development Committees and there were not any police.
Contd...
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| nepalipanda |
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on 17-Sep-03 08:27 PM
Contd:
*In the Middle Region, many hectares of land have been captured, and thousands and thousands of quintals of grain have been captured and distributed to the masses. And this process makes the people feel like, "Yes, this is ours."
*And, mainly in our developed regions, collective farming has already been established.
*That land will be the land of the masses, and all the peasants will work on that land, and the earnings from that land will be the property of that locality.
*How many work hours a particular family did on that land-the return will be in that percentage.
*Yes, exactly that. Where our mass base is strong and the masses are in the process of struggle, we are starting to have collective farming. Private ownership, but farming collectively. This has already shown effectiveness in the process of production.
*When we sustain a company formation, when there are two, three, four companies, and, at the same time, there are platoons elsewhere-then we will say this is our strong army. Our vision is that when we have companies, then we will have a strong army to have a base area. That is also the other criteria.
*But we are not afraid of the Indian Army because, in one way, it will be a very good thing. This will be a national war.
*When we declare we have made a base area then formally we will make a central government. We are thinking that when Rolpa, Rukum, Jarjarkot, Salyan become a liberated zone, then we will declare the People's Republic of Nepal-the government of the People's Republic of Nepal. That government will be in the center, and there will also be base areas, guerrilla zones, some prospective base area zones, different kinds of zones. But when a base area is declared, then the People's Republic of Nepal will also be declared.
*On the local level it should be an instrument of exercising power. On the central level it should be an instrument of propaganda and revolutionary mass struggle.
*ultimately, at one point we will have to declare a new government and the president and the republic, the ministry and all these things. And we will appeal to the world masses that this is the people's government.
*We are also saying that we will not liberate only two, three, four districts and not care about other regions or the capital city. In Nepal when we liberate an area and declare our government-and it is our base area in the Western Region-then we will need a clear and well-defined plan for the whole country and masses. There should be a big mass upsurge in other parts of the country. Without such mass upsurge and mass struggle in all other prospective base areas and guerrilla zones at the time, then militarily we would not be able to sustain our base area. Because at this time India will also come at us, and the police force will be centralized to crush us. Then thousands of masses will be slaughtered.
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| nepalipanda |
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on 17-Sep-03 08:28 PM
Final section:
*On this question I want to say that training the masses in the spirit of sacrifice is very important because in the era of imperialism and proletarian revolution, in today's whole situation, without sacrifice, without bloodshed, we cannot seize power, and we cannot transform the whole society on a new basis. Therefore there is the question of sacrifice, of shedding blood, just as you saw with the martyrs in the West. People want to be martyrs. The people feel that to be martyrs is to be respected. This is the great feeling which will enable us to change the whole feudal, individualistic, and anarchist outlook prevailing in this society. When you live among those comrades, those families of martyrs-martyrs' brothers, mothers, sons-you see that a kind of cultural transformation is going on inside them and their feelings.
*When one of the comrades is martyred we vigorously make it a question of pride and historical importance. And the mother and father, the parents of that martyr, will then feel that, "Now my one son has died, but there are thousands and thousands of others who are now my sons." This is the great feeling. This is the great change that has happened. Those parents see that "everybody is my son-hundreds of young people are now my sons." The whole feudal and individualistic, sectarian culture that has prevailed has been changed upside down. We encourage, for our cultural revolution, this kind of sacrifice, and we glorify this kind of sacrifice. Because we know, in this era, in today's world situation, thousands and thousands of people will have to be prepared to be sacrificed.
*Mao said, if there is a third world war, everybody cannot be killed. Maybe half the population will be gone and half the population will remain and a new world will emerge. It's not that Mao was irresponsible to say this. The spirit of what he said is not that millions of people should die. It was the spirit of making a new world. It was the spirit of transforming the world.
*For the whole Himalayan region, we should make a complete plan-looking at the cultural problems, traditional chains, different kinds of tribal problems that are there. And in the mountainous region, in the Western Region, as you saw, there are not so many temples. But when you go to Kathmandu there are so many temples-it is a capital of temples. Therefore we have to make a conscious effort for every region, for every nationality. What are their traditional chains, what forms of feudal exploitation and feudal oppression are prevailing in that nationality-we have to make efforts to consciously crush these things.
*My main thrust is that I hate revisionism. I seriously hate revisionism. And I never compromise with revisionism. I fought and fought again with revisionism. And the party's correct line is based on the process of fighting revisionism. I hate revisionism. I seriously hate revisionism.
*From a practical point of view, the People's War in Nepal is contributing to making and accelerating this new wave of revolution. And it is contributing to the organization of the international communist movement on a Maoist basis. And Maoism should be the commander of this new wave of world revolution. The People's War in Peru has done a good job of establishing Maoism. We also think that the RCP,USA has done a good job, ideologically and politically, to fight against revisionism and establish Maoism. And our party and the People's War in Nepal is also accelerating this process.
*So in this desert of revolutionary war, the People's War in Nepal is one glass of water for all the revolutionary people. And we will fulfill our duty to give water to the revolutionary people.
The entire interview: 3 parts, so continue at the bottom of each part:
http://www.insof.org/politics/200200_prachand_interview_c1.htm
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| failedstate |
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on 17-Sep-03 08:36 PM
Nepalipanda:
Good thread. I will read the entire interview. From your initial summary, it looks like Prachand is marching to become a Nepali Kim Ill Jung. I don't see them changing their method nor mode given their investment in the revolution. If the leadership changes their mind and become one of the corrupt elites, they will be eaten alive by their comrades. No wonder they had to break away from the talk. It does explain a lot.
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| failedstate |
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on 18-Sep-03 07:49 AM
Nepalipanda:
I read the interview. He is not stopping until he gets his regime. The highlights:
1 He professes killing thousands or even half the population for his cause. He class them expendable.
2 He demeans Rais, Magars, and Gurungs by calling them Chinese looking people
3 He talks in terms of brigades, bases, cummune, people's court and collective coopetartives. So, forget about compromising with them. They never intended to negotiate within a free market and democratic ideals.
4 He believes in deception (while in the parliament, they carried out small scale sabotage to see how people reacted.). That it is all planned and is well motivated to capture the state by any means.
5 He intends to crush the valley culture.
6 He never once talks about election and multi-party democracy.
7 He calls his cause --"our cultural revolution," and lifts plans and motivation from Mao's book.
8. In many villages and districts, they have driven out local administrators. They are running their communist administration.
THEY CAME TO KTM JUST TO BUY TIME.
Yet our leaders are scared to call a spade a spade.
Does anyone see any hope with these guys? I don't.
WAKE UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP. DON'T BE THEIR USEFUL IDIOTS FOLKS. THE CA ELECTION WILL BE DISASTER FOR NEPAL. DON'T BUY INTO THEIR TRICKS DECEPTIONS. DO WHAT BHUTAN IS DOING. ROOT THEM OUT.
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| bipin |
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on 18-Sep-03 05:45 PM
Nepalipanda:
Thanks for posting the interview. It is very interesting and scary at the same time. I have hard time believing that these people will settle for anything less than a complete totalitarian victory.
Prachand is carrying out every move according to the red book: peoples' court settling village disputes, and it seems to be very succssful. The corrupt CDOs and other officials have pushed people to the arms of the Maoists. Creating fighting brigades, looting weapons, looking for a fight with the Indians, gathering resources through extortion. It is a big time communist revolution. They will not settle with anything other than a complete victory.
BG
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| M.P. |
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on 19-Sep-03 11:16 AM
Not trying to justify the war or anything, but I am extremly surprised by the fact that we are worried about what Prachanda said before February 20, 2000! Three years have passed since and things have changed! In the meantime, BRB has often stressed on market economy.
I am not claiming the Maoists will settle for anything less than a complete victory, which, in general sense, would be the formation of a communist state accompanied by a command economy. But to argue on something that Prachanda said three years ago is not worthwhile--especially since the political scenario, both national and international, has changed so much during this period. Just a thought.
Or did I read the date wrong?
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| nepalipanda |
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on 19-Sep-03 03:35 PM
M.P.:
I thought about that too. Then a genocidal mind bent on bringing a communist state at all cost will be very hard to change. A Polpot will always be a Polpot. They will just look for an opportunity. With thousands of cadres, who are uneducated and well brainwashed with the upcoming utopian regime, will do anything to achieve that goal. A system that does not allow any debate like in a democratic practice will foster a brutal athoritarian practice and regime. They will cross the line between liberty and the rule of law. They talk about private property and then practice communal cooperatives where farmers are rewarded based on their productivity. They are already practicing this in many rural areas. Even in their recent demands they argue against FDI, and all sorts of INGOs, support controlled economy (guaranteed jobs, education, and health). Higher tariffs, protection on and on.. They are not for a free market. They like social engineering. They have no patience for free market.
On top, their talk of people's court to punish those who are counter-revolutionary (who decides?) is not very pleasant and sounds ominous.
As a token they throw a bone at us -- burgoise democracy...but they never explain what it is other than the fact they like quota systems at all levels of gvt based on caste. I don't see any sign of free market...A bunch of primitive ideas...It is a populous movement like in Afghanistan with the Talibans. The only method they will use is the rule of guns... They openly admit it too in their writing. I have to go by what they write and wrote.
I don't see any evidence that they have changed. I am reading things differently, and I am scared for the counbtry. I don't believe that we even should go for a CA elections. It will invite disaster...That does not mean I am supporting the Monarchy in its present form. I am very ambivalent about the whole thing.
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| bipin |
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on 19-Sep-03 05:51 PM
Nepalipanda:
They never define what their version of democracy is. They acknowledge that the local people are the ones who are engaged in day-to-day ground reality and business (Prachand's interview), whereas the top leadership has flexibility of engaging in propoganda. This includes trying to get closer to the elites that they find essential to "capture." They never clarify their position on the surrender of weapons and they always insist on saying -- "constitution according to the people's choice." This is slippary road that one should be very careful in going down. A multi-party democracy loving movement would not behave like the Khmer Rouge. I have too hard time believing that after so much "investment" they would simply accept a NC-UML led statusquo.
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| nepalipanda |
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on 20-Sep-03 09:01 AM
Just wanted to share my thought and prayer for those brave Nepalis who defied the Maoists to save the VDC chairman. I wish we had more news like this coming out of Nepal.
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| garibmaila |
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on 22-Sep-03 12:53 AM
failed state condones what bhutan did to our people!!! root em out!!! if anyone should be eliminated, they are people like u!!! and u will be dont worry!!!
and if they can call the "aryans" as indian descent, whats the prob in calling the mongoloids mongolian!!! of course the word matters, but how much????
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| mickthesick |
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on 29-Sep-03 10:53 AM
only one thing that i have to say to Prachanda......actually Baburam ...bcause there is no such person called Prachanda.........it's Baburam's fictional character created by himself.......
so i say "the hell with prachanda.....die baburam"
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