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| Brook |
Posted
on 20-Sep-03 08:35 AM
This is great news if it's really true.
Villagers surround armed Maoists
In a rare incident Saturday, some 500 villagers of Sudama VDC, Sarlahi daringly surrounded and detained a group of 40 to 50 armed Maoists, radio reports said.
The local folks in a mass, defied the armed Maoists and encircled them when the rebels attempted to abduct Sitaram Singh, ex-chairman of the VDC.
When Maoists could not abduct Singh, they tried to take his son Chandan Singh with them. Villagers then took homemade weapons like khukri, swords and spades and started chasing the Maoists.
Reports said the villagers were still keeping the Maoists under their control till 3 p.m. Saturday near the district border after the successful chase.
Security force was also informed about the incident and was set to move towards the incident site, reports said. nepalnews.com mr Sept 20
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| Satya |
Posted
on 20-Sep-03 08:44 AM
I hope the news is true and other villages will follow suit. Let the people start People's war, not the Maoist.
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| nepalipanda |
Posted
on 20-Sep-03 08:50 AM
I salute these brave villagers for defying the raiders.
I hope the whole nation wakes up and says NO to these hooligans. A systematic destrcution of the existing political structure is what they are after. Once the opposition is killed or weakened at the local levels, village by village , it makes it easier for them to create their own version of "multi-party" system, where the opposition will be "allowed" to exist.
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| bipin |
Posted
on 20-Sep-03 08:56 AM
Nepalipanda:
After reading Prachanda's scary interview that describes HIS VERSION OF CULTURAL revolution, I find all these tactics as a part of what he describes as the "Big Thing." What do you expect from a movement that does not mind killing half the population, or at least thousands and thousands?
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| eNigma_too |
Posted
on 20-Sep-03 11:34 AM
Those simple but brave villagers deserves a round of applaud for their brave and examplary deed. Inspite of the risk of reaction from the maobadis they took a stand for whats right and showed the world that not all Neplese just cower around in fear . Some of us still come true to the true Gorkhali spirit !! BRAVO !!
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 20-Sep-03 12:46 PM
Dear peace and justice loving brothers and sisters,
Please do not be misled by the propaganda spread by the feudal king. Actually the people who surrounded the heroic People's Liberation Army soldiers who are fighting against the reactionary regime are not simple villagers but a gang of Shah/Rana/Paras/Gyanendra rapists and those who are afraid that their property will be taken away by the peace loving people.
So don't applaud and cheer for the Shah/Rana gang of murderes who are surrounding the true heroes who are fighting for the poor Nepali brother and sisters.
Instead, all of us who believe in democracy, pluralism, freedom should ask for the immediate release of the surrounded Maoist heroes. Amnesty International, Civil Soceity, and Intellectual community should realize that people's human rights are being violated here, why are these people being surrounded and detained and not being allowed to go about their business? Is this not intimidation by cruel Gyanendra? How can we allow this monster to trample the basic rights of all people to do what ever they want to do?
The greatest injustive in all this is that the thugs who surrounded the heroic Maoist soldiers is that the Gyanendra/Paras thugs did not show any written warrant to surround and detain the guerrillas. Come on, where is the rule of law, where is the democracy here? How can they do this without producing a proper warrant paper?
The poor villagers are equally terrorized by the army, police and paras gangs. The army also rapes, kills and does all kinds of bad things. They exploit and do all kinds of corruptions. The king and the army are the problem, not the peaceful and kind Maoists.
Remember,
the king and his thuggish gang want to kill you, take grab your money and take your women.
but the nice and friendly Maoists want to give you jobs, freedom, peace, republic and justice. So you know whom to support.
Democracy lover
peace dover
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| thugged out |
Posted
on 20-Sep-03 01:54 PM
Of course Suva Chintak is wrong about his belief(s). And no, I don't think he's being sarcastic. Fact of the matter is the bulk of the population is centrist on most issues as is the case everywhere. Here in the US, you have about 20% who are left-wingers, 20% who are hardcore right-wingers(I am just ballparking here), and the rest who are centrists. So basically the presidential nominee has to reach out to these centrists who can tilt either way. Anywho, point is, don't fall to Suva Chintak's propaganda that Maoists are peaceloving folks.
--The Maoists are as pluralistic as China is democratic. The socialists say they're practicing democracy, but who's gonna fall for that? Yeah, equality for the proletariats, they say, but where's the freedom in religion, language, culture, etc? None. Nada. Zilch.
-- The Commies(of which the Maoists are a part) are no way PLURALISTIC in any sense. They completely wipe out age old cultures and traditions. Why are we idolizing the Chinese and the Russians? China is a third world shithole, ain't it? France and other European countries try to protect their farmers by providing them with subsidies, because these folks are the beacons of traditional French practices. Their culture goes out the window, and you got nothing to hold onto.
--F@ck the far-left liberals like Amnesty International--I have no doubt they they're far far to the left-- and, in case of America, ACLU. Just because they don't concede to their liberal agendas don't mean squat Just f@k em man. ACLU is even for the rights of NAMBLA guys. Go to their web site and you got them preaching ways to rape little boys. Are we gonna take these scums seriously? Come on now.
--Fact is, monarchy has been successful in many successful nations like the UK, Japan, and some scandinavian countries. As long as you got constitutional monarchy, there shouldn't really be a problem as the King does not have much of a chance to forcefully take over the country. If it's working for developed countries, why shouldn't/wouldn't it work for Nepal? Someone explain this to me. Only absolute monarchy needs to be eschewed. And that's that.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 20-Sep-03 01:56 PM
This is indeed a glorious event. There is no price for the courage of common villagers to come out to defend a defenseless villager defying the dangerous and barbarous power, the Maoists. These villagers were there to defend innocence, to defend humanity, to defend their own essence of being a man- defend justice and humanity with courage, don't wait for others to come, don't leave it for others to do.
There is no comparison of what these villagers did to, let's say, what the Royal Nepal Army could have done with these Maoists. These villagers were not there to defend another power. These villagers did not have backup of combat helicopters from the sky. These villagers can not expect to go back to a safe barrack. These villagers were not thinking to do some jyadati with female Maoists. These villagers did not have a spokeperson in Kathmandu to lie for them in case some of them happened to do something najayaj.
These villagers are brave and pure soldiers of humanity. I salute them.
I wish we had these soldiers to save the lives of the sanskrit teacher, the nurse, the journalist and hundreds of other innocent and defensless man and women already killed by the barberic Maoists and spoilt security force.
As Satya said, we need real people's war [revolt] against tyranny and unaccountability of the gun-holding powers. We need more Sudama-basi in Nepal and we need them now.
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| bipin |
Posted
on 20-Sep-03 04:02 PM
This act by the villagers ranks right on top along with the act of extreme heroism demonstrated by that woman a few weeks ago. If we had a few of these brave Nepalis saying No to these thugs, we would not have to witness the hanged hacking of people like Khadka in front his family members.
My hearts go out to these brave villagers. Way to go!
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| eNigma_too |
Posted
on 20-Sep-03 04:32 PM
Suva Chintak ,
You are living in a dream world . You need to wake up, look around and realise that the beloved country of ours is tumbling down the dark rabbit hole. Don't you realise that the maobadis are forcing the country back into dark age, an age of fear, insecurity, and barbarism.
How do you justify the senseless killing of innocent teachers, journalist, villagers and many others. How do you give meaning to the forceful closure of schools and NGO's all over the country thereby deprieving childrens of their basic right of education and a safe environment to grow up. I personally give a f#@K about political ideology. As long as the people have a mean to make a decent livehood and have the freedom of making choices, every child gets the proper education, and there is a overall sense of peace and security around , I give a shit about who rules the country or who makes how much money.
Live and let live !!
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| peda |
Posted
on 20-Sep-03 04:42 PM
I always believed that a problem itself will lead to a solution.
As the killing and abducting spree reached new landmarks, people had to start taking their own guards. And the villagers rightly did that.We should thank them for belling the cat.
We cannot simply sit at home cowering at the thought of being killed; something so inevitable in life.
I would suggest that we should all take collective responsibilities of our securities to safeguard our very existence.
I am sure what Suvachintak said is a big joke. He thinks Maoists should be allowed to carry on their killing spree. What a great intellectual???Maybe he is thinking of turning Nepal into a ghost-land!
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| garibmaila |
Posted
on 22-Sep-03 12:46 AM
so pathetic that there are feudalists here!!!!
well your days are numbered. the f**king rna is a failure and the monarch and your so called democratic leaders are suckers!!! and ofcourse the villagers can never surround armed rebels. u must be a stupid to believe in the news.
change is inevitable!!!!!!!!!1
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| akawi |
Posted
on 22-Sep-03 03:37 AM
If you don't support killer maoists you will become feudalist. Good logic!
Meanwhile there is another news of retaliation from villagers against the maoists in the same district. Hope other villages follow the example.
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 22-Sep-03 02:17 PM
Dear peace and justice loving poor people of Nepal:
Where is the written warrant to kill and surround the Maoist revolutionaries? Is this democracy or what? Why is the Amnesty International, Civil Society, and Human Right organizations silent at the cold blooded murder of the Maoists? Are they also not sons of Nepal ama? How can they do this without a WARRANT paper? It must be the conspiracy of the Gyanendra/Paras/Shah/Rana gang to kill the Maoist brothers using the villagers...maybe they are paying the villagers to kill the Maoists. This is a Grand Design!! Why are the villagers not killing the police and the army? why are they only killing the brave revolutionaries?? Grand Design, Grand Design, Grand Design!!
Read the cruel news from Nepalnews.com:
Two Maoists killed, five others injured
More than 500 villagers staved off an attack by Maoists at Janaki village in Sarlahi district overnight killing two rebels and injuring five others, radio reports said.
Seven villagers were injured in the fighting, Kantipur FM said. Villagers, armed with crude weapons, repulsed rebel extortionists. Women and children joined elders in fighting the Maoists.
This is the second time within one week villagers in the district have taken on the rebels. nepalnews.com br Sept.22
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| sankaa |
Posted
on 22-Sep-03 09:59 PM
Suva ji, where is the written warrant to use children as human shield? where is the written warrent to kill innocent villagers? where is the written warrent to rape girls and force them to be maoists? where is the written warrent to cut peoples head infront of thier children? where is the written warrent to close schools? where is the written warrent to do this :
(the latest one)
Maoists seize eight families' properties
Maoists have captured homes and lands of eight families in Doramba, Ramechhap, alleging them of "spying", a published report said Tuesday.
The Maoists will now open "party offices" in those houses, a news report in Kantipur daily said. Maoists captured the houses of civilians Dik Bahadur Tamang, Ashok Yonjan, Chandikalal Yonjan, Binod Yonjan, Indraram Moktan, Ramkaji Yonjan, Karmajit Moktan and Balram Moktan.
The Maoists murdered a health worker Relimai Tamang in Doramba charging her of spying for army. nepalnews.com mr Sept 23
Maoists are the cruel , senseless , group of stupids running after nothing. I don't understand why are you a supporter.are you just being intersting around here or do you support them for real? You do know that they are declared as terrorists right?
Your's suvachintak,
Sankaaa
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 22-Sep-03 10:36 PM
Now this is for people who DO understand sarcasm.
Dear Peace and Justice-loving Poor citizens,
Don't get mistaken. "There are only two nationalist forces in the country. Now these forces will take the country out of the crisis" (guess who said this immediately after BRB came out of his hideout and extended a hand of negotiation to the Chand govt.). These two forces are none other than our great king Gyanendra, the institution of monarchy to be more politically correct, and the CPN(Maoists).
SC is right. The fact that the villagers surrounded is a grand design. But the people behind this conspiracy are, what you must have guessed by now, the politicians. Especially the leaders of UML, NC and other five bhare bhure parties launching the present struggle against our great, janta-loving king Gyanendra. Seriously, Girija babu created all those villagers and sent them to surround the Maoists.
And, you wont believe this, our great king Gyanendra (Gyanendra sarkaar ko jay jay jay!) tried to solve the Maoist problem from London. Why do you think he went to London when the country is in such a crisis? Our great king Gyanendra left for London in the middle of the talk between the Maoists and the government. He even composed a government to deal with the Maoists. Has any of those f**king leaders like Girija or Makune made such a huge contribution to the country? Again, Sri 5 mahaaraj dhiraaj Gyanendra sarkaar ko jay jay jay!
Why are you guys talking about the warrant? Our great junta-loving RNA can do anything; they can tie people's hands, take them for a 3 hr trek, and shoot from a close range. I mean, you are not our great king Gyanendra to ask for warrants. You are a bhare-bhure janta. As long as our great king Gyanendra sarkaar is happy, nobody should care about the warrants. You dumb-ass garib kaa chhaauraa chhauris! Can you do anything without our great king Gyanendra?
Those who DO NOT understand sarcasm, like some of my dear posters here, you got one more Monarchist here. Go celebrate!
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| kalekrishna |
Posted
on 22-Sep-03 11:46 PM
Comon MP,
when we are so dumb to understand actual happenings, how can sarcastic writing penetrate our thick mennenges. SC in his/her great sracastic style wrote those words to gauge the feeling of fellow Sajha mates and as per the expectations the message was delivered. I am worried about personal threat to his face, as made by one of his furious replier.
However, isn't it a sign that civil war has begun ine Nepal, where ground level resistance (either grand design, or whatever it is) is becoming news. This shows two things, maoists are not invincible and if united and manipulated at village level they can be tackled, second is the policy of maoists is delinating them from society which will prove costly for their revolution and ultimate vote bank.
Whatever it is, let the flame of revolution burn to its intensity once for all and let the remaining clear the mess and start from the bottom. This sporadic containment will only generate steam and fumes, with production of coal that will burn longer.
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 23-Sep-03 09:09 AM
M.P. jyu,
More fodder from the Nepali Times for your fine art of sarcasm! I enjoyed your earlier one. Shall it be Gyanendra or Grand Design this time?
What was her fault?
Madhab Dhungel in Kantipur, 15 September
Seven-year-old Bhabana was a hardworking third grade student. This year she won Rs 300 for topping her class. It was on the evening of 9 September, Bhabana was playing outside her home in Kalaun, 20km south of Patan, when a grenade killed her. Earlier that day four Maoists and their local commander, Saroj, were returning from Bhattedara and stopped near the ropeway terminal for some food and alcohol. By the time they reached Kalaun, Dilip, the bomb specialist, was roaring drunk. They stopped for lunch at Baburam Maharjans shop where Dilip decided to teach his junior comrades how to use a grenade. He pulled the pin and threw the grenade out of the shop. The shopkeeper was showered with shrapnel but Bhabana, who was running towards her mother, was cut to pieces.
In the ensuing confusion, Dilip escaped. Although he got away, the villagers managed to detain his two comrades, Saroj and Prabin. By the time the local Maoist administrator Bhim Dwoj arrived, more than 150 villagers had gathered. Dwoj dismissed the incident as trivial. Incensed villagers tied up the Maoists and beat them up. They were so angry that they even turned on bystanders who urged restraint.
Dwoj left after saying he would bring Dilip along with local Maoist government chief Ram Kumar Syangtang alias Bikash and the district secretary. The people released the Maoists after they signed a paper that acknowledged their error. It read: An accident occurred due to our technical error. We shall give compensation. We shall return to help the family in the cremation.
But the next day the Maoists returned, threatening to kill one by one those who had spoken against them. That same night Rajkumar Darlami, his father and brothers from Kalaun were abducted. Rajkumar managed to escape, but the whereabouts of his father and brothers is not known.
Many Bhabanas are dying every day in Nepal. If her death on the outskirts of the city received so little media attention, we can only imagine what atrocities are going unreported every day. Instead of punishing their activists responsible for the death of a young child, the Maoists returned to her village to abduct and threaten the people who asked for justice. Their impunity will only make people more supportive of the government tagging the Maoists as terrorists. Prachandas and Baburams have to realise that the fathers of all Bhabanas will be living in this country for a long time yet.
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| garibmaila |
Posted
on 24-Sep-03 03:48 AM
awaki or sth, my point doesn`t really need any defence but u can come up with a better logic if u have one. who would you support in the present situation? well if u say what was there before the maoist uprising was good then.... i have no comments. you are certainly one of those few lucky ones who didn`t have to go through the life most of the maoist fighters had gone through i am talking about the life of poor nepalese before the uprising started). and please dont give me your "are things better now?" crap. things can never be good during a war and that is what we have in nepal now!!
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 24-Sep-03 12:32 PM
I think I read in yesterday's Kantipur that afterall the people sorrounded by the commoners were not Maoists at all. They were the criminal bandits, from India if I remember correctly.I wanted to post the address, but the site seems to be hacked.
So many lies are coming from the government side and the Maoist side that you have to think before you believe them. Some people love these news, and jump with all sort of excitement, as the news media is feeding them exactly what they want to hear. Before the last truce, RNA had claimed almost destroying the Maoists, and those damn thugs are still controlling the country, and as soon as truce was declared, the killing of innumerable innocents by the army came to limelight.The army was, it seems, killing innocent civilians, knowingly or unknowingly, thinking they were killing the Maoists.
Reasonable persons may want to think before believing these news from both the Maoists and the army." Not doing so would be ridiculous", as Bill O'Reilly would say.
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| failedstate |
Posted
on 24-Sep-03 02:30 PM
Bill O'Reilly also said addressing a young crowd: The reason there are not many black kids (during an award ceremony) here is because they all are jacking my car.
Why would the "regular" bandits from India want to kill or kidnap the VDC chair or his son? The Maoist explanation sounds more plausible. Either way, I salute those villagers for standing up against the thugs.
In any case, some more of these types of actions will slowly move the country towards a civil war. The parties and the King don't seem to see eye to eye. The only recourse is to defend your village, your libertry, your family, and property by any means possible.
Fight anyone who tries to recruit by force your sons and daughters, and tries to extort money against your will. Defend your freedom. Creating a malitia may be the only solution, since the bastards -- political parties and the government -- seem busy running around the CHAIR.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 24-Sep-03 03:16 PM
If I remember Kantipur report correctly, which I hope all will have a chance to read as soon as this hacking thing is solved, the villagers themselves identified those people as bandits. The bandits WOULD like to attack anyone who has money, and VDC chairman can be a moneyed man.
When did Bill O'Reilly said so? I would be happy to know if you provide me some link, or source for that. I am not his fan, but I like some of the things he says. Well, he is better than Rush Limbaugh, I guess.
Anyway, here is my point: people who are joyful about this body-count provided by RNA needs to think before erupting in gusto. It is not the number of corpses laid around that ensures safety and peace. The day I know RNA guys 'saved' lives of innocents from the thugs, then I will erupt in happiness. The day I know RNA guys helped people overcome natural calamity, made it possible to hold election, etc. etc. I will be happy. That's it. To hear that they killed 50 people doesn't make me happy. That fifty, as evidences have suggested, could include, have traditionally included, the lives of innocents, and that is not a good news, and that is defeating the very purpose of deploying army.
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