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| deepak_bista | Posted
on 11-Oct-03 08:39 PM
Yes, Bhunteji that I am all those things you have smartly deduced. The 20th-century Chinese scholar Lin Yu Tang said, "We are, in the end, loyal to the food of our youth: perhaps this is what patrotrism means." If that is so I am not certainly patriotic, even to the extent of hoping that this resume/recipe will breed many traitors among non-Nepalese for the true creation of a creative gastronomy of Nepal and lead forward for a tourism in the discourse itself, who may come to love Nepali food with its own signature soups and sauces and brand dishes like Ghiu and Chau Baje Kukhura. It is my hope that this proposition of mine will excite an emerging scene of Nepali Himalayan Tantric Gastronomy, where asparagus will synbolise the male sexual linga part and oysters the female vugna sexual part. All those who love the socialising and sexualising of the Nepalese food through senses of the feast to be the true orgy lovers of the new emerging Nepalese Gastronomy. One cannot understand a cuisine and its development without seeing it in relation to the history of nepal in question. The cooking of Nepal is based on the Hindu and Maha Chinia civilisation (not Sherpa and Tibetean Bhot khalaks). India had its influences from the Greek, Persian, Mogul, and Turkish civilisations (the latter three through the Islamic invasion of India). Now days a lot of Sherpas, Tamang and other Bhote khalaks are going to India as Tibetean refugees and thengetting to do tandoori in big hotels and then declaring as 5 star chefs of India with low pay and working in low grade Malayu Indian restaurants all over UK, canada, USA and Australia. We have three Nepalese restaurants in Adelaide. Mine is the first and best obviously then Namaste opened by my former male partner and chef. The third one is Himalaya Kitchen opened by a Dangal character. We all have time to time Sherpa cooks or as Ausssie's call then tucker f**kers. I mean currently Nepalese seem to be tasting with sea foods like prawns are called Sherpali Ghinge Mancha (it is bizarre that smelly Sherpas suddenly know about sea prawns and Cuttlefish). One dish my Sherpa friend wants to call it Sherpa Chasa Tibetean festival Octopus maha bhuteko ring. They want to introduce Yak butter salty and lumpy high himalaya chia. They even want to try from a Chinese cooking guru formerly of Nediz tu kangaroo pe**s green pea dal soup for publicity in promoting Nepalese legendary Bhote chefs. It seems these former trekking cooks and cannon fodders may have earnt some tourism related certificates. In checking with http://www.austlii.edu.au site and searching just Nepalese migration racker cases, then it is abundantly clear that with such certificates to cook momo dumplings, sanitarily salad making courses they have come to Australia to be great nepali frontline chefs. I am not saying all these attempts are to go in vain...rather they are being a disgrace to the development of our emerging Gastronomy. My dream of our Gastronomy should include all things Nepalese produce in the land and the rivers (minus seas) and the Himalayas. Thus, we should not be ashamed of ourselves for not having sea and olive oil. We could look for the best and orgaic games and thrive it out for sustainable development that is my vision and mission. The chief role of the Indian Kanchamas in Nepal under Jung bahadur rana was to develop and let the bajais improve those recipes, rather than to create something new. I do not agree at all with the poofy explanation of gautam (G2) Rana of Babar Mahal Revisited. He is scared stiff for being targeted by the Communists. Then who told him to be crazy and make his workers dress as the slaves under his Budu grandpa Babar Shumsher Jung Bhadur Rana. I think Kanak mani Dixit's advice was equally poofish too in this subject matter. The man cannot even trek and breaks his spine. What abhagya is happening in Nepal. don't blame the nepalese and blame yourselves. The muslims under Jung Bahadur Rana and his concubine Chand Bibi Kaur of Punjab enriched Nepal in agricultural knowledge about raising of animals and birds, about fish and about graeter Asian cuisine. Thus, Nepal moved away from Bhote khalak dark ages in food. Bir Shamsher Nepal was such a rich ground for Nepalese game cuisine from Kharao ko bari and sekuwa, poleko haans, tareko kallej, bafaeko bande and mujur ko navaratna pulao, luchi puri and much much more. All these sound negative. however, profound the effects of Nepalese political events, which occured over a century and half ago, it has not resulted in the Gastronomic unification of Nepal I must say. In summary, Nepal is just pockets of micro Gastronomic regions and they remain primitive. They are not presentable to the world as they lack occupational health and safety standards. These ranges from Chulesi mark primitive butchery to unsanitary Nepalese kitchen habits and much much more. You see the source that sustains the variety, the appeal and above all the quality of Italian cooking must surely be the intense concern the Italians have from early childhood, with what they eat and how it should be cooked. I certainly have a passionate interest in the subject, and it is my hpe that this discourse I may sahre the fruits of this passion with the readers. As I crave only the best in every thing. |
| eNigma_too | Posted
on 12-Oct-03 02:47 PM
Your racist remark was a shock to me as this is the first time I came across one here in sajha. I thought we are over it. Being in a distant land, getting to know cultures from around the world and the experience it comes with we ought to know better then throw disparaging remarks on people based on their race or culture. I am sure everybody stands by me when I say that sajha has no place for people with racial prejudice. You wrote: >it is bizarre that smelly Sherpas suddenly know about sea prawns and Cuttlefish >It seems these former trekking cooks and cannon fodders may have earnt some >tourism related certificates >with such certificates to cook momo dumplings, sanitarily salad making courses they >have come to Australia to be great nepali frontline chefs. I am not saying all these > attempts are to go in vain...rather they are being a disgrace to the development of > our emerging Gastronomy >Thus, Nepal moved away from Bhote khalak dark ages in food. |
| boston_dude | Posted
on 12-Oct-03 04:09 PM
Bista, You got issues man. You are a racist and there should be no place for a racist mind like yours in a civilized world. B_D. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 12-Oct-03 07:21 PM
Deepak ji saying ".....My dream of our Gastronomy should include all things Nepalese produce in the land and the rivers (minus seas) and the Himalayas. Thus, we should not be ashamed of ourselves for not having sea and olive oil. We could look for the best and orgaic games and thrive it out for sustainable development that is my vision and mission. ..." I don't think he is racist or so. Instead he is promoting/capitalizing what we have scattered. If one visit his restura, one may see Sherpa, bahun, newar, chhetri, tamangs look like faces there as his staff. I am still wondering how he got so wonderful idea to name as sherpali jhinge machha, while there is no jhinge machha in sagarmatha... |
| sewak | Posted
on 12-Oct-03 08:48 PM
That's what Bista is all about: racist. He can't stand the popularism and economic progress being made by people like Sherpa, gurung, manage and many others. May be that is his way of saying to others he is still the boss racially in his restaurent. May be we should start a campaign to boycott his restaurent in aussie or wherever it is. Count on me to throw this racist dude from not only this website but from every nepali community. |
| czar | Posted
on 12-Oct-03 08:55 PM
I support the notion that the writings reek of racism and hostile intolerance of different ethnicities. In describing the transition from northern influenced cuisine to the ones introduced from the south, the writer chooses to present it thus "moved away from Bhote khalak dark ages in food." Seemingly innocuous, yet subsequent and previous passages reinforce the image of thinly veiled distaste of different ethnic groups. The writer is more interested in denigrating the efforts of others than finding common ground. We are possesed of gastronomic traditions that encompass creations from China to Persia. Instead, would it not be to our advantage to celebrate culinary (and ethnic) diversity and use it to advance our profile in the world at large? |
| czar | Posted
on 12-Oct-03 08:58 PM
And why in the world do the writings strike me as reminiscent of the unlamented Rendra Wasito ? |
| bhunte | Posted
on 12-Oct-03 09:37 PM
Deepak ji, Pls reread what you have posted. If you smell racism there then you may want to amend or defend. In an analogous situation why a soap like "Sherpa sabun" was not bycotted and why that was not taken as a a racist issue? I attended a class in Sankar Dev Campus. The business professor named DrGRAgrawal lectured to his students why the name "sherpa sabun"? His reasoning for the brand was to popularize it giving the message that the sabun is powerful enough to clean up sherpa's mayal. But, no students (all MBA) there protested against that. Yes, it is humiliating, but I don't hear any protests from the directly affected community either. Any thoughts on it is appreciated. |
| eNigma_too | Posted
on 12-Oct-03 11:05 PM
"Sherpa Sabun" remark by your professor wasn't protested probably because there weren't any sherpa student in the class. What does that say about those student present ? ... Another poignant remainder of how bias and racially inclined society we are. As about the name "sherpa sabun" , jumping to conclusion based on vague assumption is not a trait found in us. Corporation all over the world are cashing on the name "sherpa" as a brand, because of the popularity of the name and the attributes associated with it i.e sturdiness, durability, ruggedness etc..Reminds me of the "Ganga Sabun" add in India and the controversy sorrounding it. It most probably wasn't meant to imply that it would wash away your sin or it would be like taking a dip in the river Ganga. Ganga is associated with purity, sanctity and hence the effort to cash in on the name by who else but a soap company. Its all in how you interpret and how broadly you can think, but when somebody comes up with remarks like, "it is bizarre that smelly Sherpas suddenly know about sea prawns and Cuttlefish" there is no other explanation, just the racial superiority complex of him peeking out and as such should be strongly denounced. |
| Poonte | Posted
on 13-Oct-03 12:21 AM
And Mr. Bista's point is???? Ke ho ke...his posting was so full of raciallly biased filth that it ghuma-oed my khopadi fan-fani and I failed to grasp his message. Perhaps re-writing the entire post sans pointedly racial comments would help readers in the comprehension of what his actual message is, for the title sounded very intriguing. Or was the sole purpose of Mr. Superior to denegrate some of the valued members of our rangi-changi Nepali society? Oh, I almost forgot! Is this protected by the freedom of expression and/or of opinion? Taat-taato rankeko falaam ko paniu le daamna napugeko...eheheh |
| simply the best | Posted
on 15-Oct-03 08:59 PM
Deepk_Biste how could ya expect fruits of the passion with the readers with your negative racist view. Read your article therolly & all I can say is that you have had a very challenging moments in life with Sherpas & always got defeated in Business or else in life. You are a LOSER!!!!!LOSER!!!!! LOSER!!!. History is witness for Sherpa's Honesty & Bravery that contributed and is still contributing to keep Nepal in International fame. Sherpas & Mongolian friends are the ethnic background of Nepal that never got support from Government bcoz of racist politicians who are zus like u, yet Sherpas build their life with struggle in home or overseas whereas people like u abuse other race coz u are a Loser!!! like I said b4. Hey if u don't like the Sherpa Cook or food then screw yourself man. Keep your spicy shit up to yourself coz today people take Himalayan food to b healthy rather than your greasy food shit. Hey Loser!! c u someday in New York, visit some Sherpa frens & you'll steam u up with hot momos and add some achar too. You'll never 4 get, hey n boiling soup for your skin. |
| BMW | Posted
on 15-Oct-03 09:57 PM
who the hell eats titaura in the western society? they think soup is spicy enough. |
| ssny | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 11:35 AM
Let's call it what it is... RACIST. But, again, we have them everywhere. Thanks to this Bista guy, we get to know that there are people like him and if we looked within ourselves, may be - just may be, we may find bista in us? In addition to pointing fingers and giving Bista what he deserves - we should also try to minimize those feelings within us. Cheerio! |