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| south | Posted
on 13-Oct-03 05:35 PM
http://www.nepalipost.com/main.html#194 |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 13-Oct-03 06:04 PM
South, thanks for the link.... During my recent visit to Nepal, a close friend of him had also mentioned me about his presence in Harvard. Dr. Gautam has also interest in Nepali literature... |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 13-Oct-03 06:13 PM
Also, the link has featured aboout Sai Baini.... |
| Mr.Fogi | Posted
on 13-Oct-03 11:08 PM
nepali professor at harvard ?????? So what? But what counts is "what has he done for Nepal?" Does his education is helping Nepal a bit? If yes, that's good. If not, he is also one of the slave from Nepal who is enjoying States betraying own mother land. Dhikkar cha yasta Desh kaa kaput haru lai. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 14-Oct-03 02:14 AM
Fogi jyu, If you can read Nepali, all the details are in the link. Ani hajur kun muluk ko suput ni? |
| Arnico | Posted
on 14-Oct-03 06:04 AM
Congratulations, Dr. Gautam! |
| Biswo | Posted
on 14-Oct-03 06:42 AM
I think Dr Gautam's achievement is impressive. It demonstrates that even if you went to school somewhere in the village, you can still end up being Harvard's professor: as long as you persevere. Congratulation to Dr Gautam. |
| Deep | Posted
on 14-Oct-03 06:44 AM
Type gariranu satta Biswoji ki bhanai tannu paryo: "I think Dr Gautam's achievement is impressive. It demonstrates that even if you went to school somewhere in the village, you can still end up being Harvard's professor: as long as you persevere. Congratulation to Dr Gautam." Ditto. |
| Shiva Shiva!! | Posted
on 14-Oct-03 07:41 AM
Our Biswo ji is next in the line who went to school in village. Congrats to Dr. Gautam Ji! |
| Gokul | Posted
on 14-Oct-03 07:49 AM
Shiva dai, Congratulations. You are a role model to many aspiring Nepali. |
| DHANANJAYA | Posted
on 14-Oct-03 08:39 AM
Dear Gautam, Congratulation! you are inspiration of many. Dhananjaya |
| Biswo | Posted
on 14-Oct-03 10:21 AM
Shiva shiva, Just had one midterm exam: doesn't look like I am going to end up in Harvard as a professor:-) Anyway, thanks for your nice prognostication. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 14-Oct-03 11:09 AM
i have a mid term tomorrow.. and i am going to get a F..wowowowowowowo anyways, congratulations to gautam ji.. what is he teaching at harvard though? |
| chordaku420 | Posted
on 14-Oct-03 11:23 AM
Oye Ise, Kata chhas ta aajkaal ? Amrika ma ta pakkai chhainas hola ? |
| DHANANJAYA | Posted
on 14-Oct-03 11:26 AM
Sorry pal, There should be Dr. Gautam I am very shameful for my carelessness. Dhananjaya |
| peda | Posted
on 14-Oct-03 11:39 AM
It is really nice to see our Nepalese community gradually flourishing. Dr Gautam deserves special praise. If more of our countrymen try to emulate him both in and out of the country, I am sure our country will improve. I would be happy to congratulate Mr Fogi also for his contributions to our country. We will wait to hear more. |
| Himal NY | Posted
on 14-Oct-03 12:00 PM
Congratulations to Dr. Gautam. You have been a role model to all of us. All the bests, Himal |
| Deep | Posted
on 14-Oct-03 12:12 PM
I.F. Bro, "anyways, congratulations to gautam ji.. what is he teaching at harvard though?" Shiva Prasad Gautam, PH.D. Academic Title Instructor in Medicine Administrative Title (none) Department Medicine, Beth Israel-Deaconess Institution Beth Israel Deaconess Med Ctr Address Beth Israel Deaconess Med Ctr 330 Brookline Avenue Translation Research Div - GZ 807 Boston, MA 02215 Telephone Fax (none) E-Mail (none) Source: (accessed September 14, 2003). -http://whitepages.med.harvard.edu/WhitePagesPublic.asp?task=showperson&id=176271377171273372174274&a=hms&r=1&kw= |
| ashu | Posted
on 14-Oct-03 06:48 PM
I would like to congratulate Dr. Shiva Gautam. I also want to use this opportunity to CELEBRATE the dedication of ALL OTHER academics/professors and instructors of Nepali origins who are teaching and doing research at universities and colleges WORLDWIDE, whether at Harvard or at a community college in Montana. It does not matter whether they are teaching biostatistics or sociology or even Nepali language. Dr. Gautam and all of these other scholars deserve our highest respect because a career in academia, by definition, is always a labour of love: intensely long, lonely hours of work, relatively low pay (compared to careers in consulting, banking and others in the private sector), nail-biting uncertainties over tenure decisions, and so on and on. *********** Two GENERAL points: Though Harvard president Larry Summers is rightly trying to change the university byzantine tenure process (which has wronged a number of scholars in the past), Harvard has long been notorious for hiring promising people at the assistant professor level, using them like kamaiyas, and then mercilessly throwing them out in the cold in a few years' time. Until you have tenure, you are really nobody at Harvard. I hope Dr. Gautam -- like biologist Uttam Rajbhandari at MIT, another NRN who should be honored in coming years in Nepal --goes on to win a tenure, and that would be great, And second, anyone going through the faculty directory of the Harvard Medical School and related medical institutions will be struck by how THICK the directory is. The directory, I would say, is as thick as Kathmandu's phone directory. The implication being: There are simply thousands of instructors in the Longwood area. Let's hope that in coming years, Dr. Gautam stands out from this crowd, makes his niche in the biostat world, makes all of our "naak" all the more big at the success of a fellow Nepali. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| akela | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 05:26 PM
i know gautam very well. He has done zero for Nepal. Harvardma padhaye pani Tribhuvan Universityma padhaye pani deshko lagi garnelai matra respect hunchha. He is very ghamandi and proud for nothing. |
| DP | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 05:40 PM
At Harvard? So what? What is the big deal? |
| south | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 05:54 PM
for me his achievement is impressive as he is first nepali to become professor at harvard. as far as he will do something for nepal or he has nt done anyhting for nepal goes, it depends upon him. we could not force him to do something for nepal. if he thinks he should do something for nepal he will do and if he thinks why should i care about nepal then he might not. this attitude should come from inner heart, if one really wants to do something for his/her country he/she will do as much as he/she can from his/her level. we can nt only ask Dr. gautam to do something becuase he is there at harvard, I think everyone can contribute in his/her own way may be the amount will be less. I think we should think in a way like i also can do something rather than he/she is big name now ans shuld do something. well i agree they can do a lot more than average people like us but if they dont want then they dont want. it is that simple. i dont think we should remind such greater personality for this. they must be aware of al this and may be trying to do something from their side too. if he just proud because he is teacing at harvard and does nt care about anything else then that is also fine. i might say his thinking is different than mine that is it. |
| sparsha | Posted
on 08-Nov-03 08:06 PM
"I know gautam very well. He has done zero for Nepal. Harvardma padhaye pani Tribhuvan Universityma padhaye pani deshko lagi garnelai matra respect hunchha. He is very ghamandi and proud for nothing." Akela ji, so what if he has done zero for Nepal? [Let's suppose you know him well as you claim, and your claim of him doing zero to Nepal stands]. Read his background and see how far he has come. His accomplishments are impressive to me. Do you also have equal or better achievements? If so, would you consider sharing with us? I don't know about others but I would gladly celebrate and recognize your achievements. "Harvardma padhaye pani Tribhuvan Universityma padhaye pani deshko lagi garnelai matra respect hunchha."With this statement of yours, should we be respecting you or not? "He is very ghamandi and proud for nothing." He has enough to feel "gaurawanwit" or ghamandi, if that's the word for you. And you are saying, "he is proud for nothing"? What is nothing for you? You got something? Look Akela ji, I personally don't know Dr. Gautam. But I just didn't like the way you downplayed Dr. Gautam's achievements. May be you are better than him, but how do I know? |
| rbaral | Posted
on 09-Nov-03 04:04 AM
I am delighted to see Nepali representation in Harvard faculty. Dr. Gautam, what an accomplishment! You are praiseworthy. Namaste. Rishi |
| ashu | Posted
on 09-Nov-03 08:22 AM
>>At Harvard? So what? What is the big deal? If Dr. Gautam were a professor at Montana State University, perhaps few Nepalis would have cared as much, and I say this without meaning any offense to MSU. But because he, a Nepali just like most of us, teaches at Harvard -- America's best known university, for better or worse -- on a tenure-track position, his achievements are noteworthy to be discussed PUBLICLY on a Nepali site like this, though, in all fairness, not many of us may share his passion for biostatistics! I wish Dr. Gautam all the best. BTW, some of us in Nepal are trying to revive and revamp the Harvard Club of Nepal, and make it more inclusive, dynamic and relevant organisation here in Nepal . . . so as to ENCOURAGE more Nepalis, of all backgrounds, to apply to Harvard's various schools. We are happy to have some representation on the Harvard faculty by a fellow Nepali. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| VincentBodega | Posted
on 09-Nov-03 09:51 AM
>>"... Harvard -- America's best known university." Is this really true? There are other schools too you know Again Montana State Univ was brought up... I heard that Mr. Gautam has amazing qualifications. So if he had turned down Harvard or vice versa, would be have been any less exemplary to us all? kina yasto manche Harvard Harvard garcha? -- BV |
| Shiva Gautam | Posted
on 09-Nov-03 12:22 PM
I would like to express my sincere thanks all of you posted nice words about me. I do not believe 'Akela' knows me well as claimed. Those who know me well know about my different (though they may not be significant as Akela would have liked) activities related to Nepal - this is the clue that makes me sure that Akela not someone who knows me well. I must confess though I do things only I can afford to and for my inner satisfaction without hurting anybody. In that context it is not proper for me to list I am involved in this and that etc. If they have any tangible result they will be known sooner or later, if not they will remain unknown. I completely agree with VincentBodega- with or without Harvard I am the same person but some people may not believe until you prove it. However I am not here to prove anything)-it just happened. It certainly increases visibility and certain accessibility which some of my friends have suggest I should use for the good of Nepal. One of the main factors coming to Harvard is my five close families (two brothers, two cousins and a brother in-law live in the vicinity of Boston). It has been 18 years since I came to US and always lived at places where there was almost no Nepali community except for the last 4 years where there were 4 Nepali families). So I am also excited to hear that there is a large Nepal community around Boston area. Ashu ji, I have not only passion for Biostatistics but also for literature. My second book of poems is about to be published by Sajha. I also write stories (with a tilt towards psychology), and observational essays mixed with philosophy. In a sense, Biostatistics just earns my bread. Once again thank you Shiva Gautam |
| biraj | Posted
on 09-Nov-03 01:54 PM
See, Gautam's poem collection Shiva Gautams poem collection -Kamala Sarup ----------------------------------------------------- Dr. Shiva Gautams poetry collection "Sapanaka Rangharu" was published in 1999. He is able to encompass wide array of fields from personal happiness and love to nationalism and patriotism in his writings. In addition, he portraits the intricate human emotions and personal experiences in every phrases of his work. He is able to explain about persons life, memory, love and happiness successfully. Audiences feel as if their own emotional voices are reflected while reading his poems. Dr. Gautam was born in eastern hills of Nepal. He is an assistant Professor, Division of Biostatistics, Department of Preventive Medicine at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, TN. Despite his busy schedule, he has been continuously writing poetry, stories and article features. He has accomplished in penning down difficult matters clearly and fearlessly in his writing. He wrote the rare prospects of life, Loneliness and journey. He indicates the need of spiritual values for human happiness in his poem "Adhunikta ko paribesha ma ma ra meri Ama". He has seen his mothers death in different dimensions. In the "Amako Samjhanama" , he explains about his emotional suffering. According to him, mothers death is bad because it wounds the every living heart. Beside such suffering he has able to unveil the happiness and pleasant moment in his yet another poem Nepal Ko Khabar and Khusi ko Yek Chan." Poetry comes to him as a natural flow. In the poem, "My Iswar", the poet says about the god and life. Gautam starts his anthology by paying his respect to life and god. Most of his poems are devoted to the themes of life, love and present condition. For him, love is the only way to peace. In his view, where there is love there is god. He always voices messages of patriotism and love of Motherland in him many writing. Best of his poems include Dharti ko bet shristi Nindra Mero shrijana timi Krishna Mero Rath Pharkau Nimto, Puja, "Jo pani timrai khoji ma cha pat ra batash ko katha mero sansar kina timro jastai hunuparcha saphalta ko sataha pani, banphul, tasbir herera unai purana katha, "Itihash ko tashbir". To state in brief, written on diverse subjects and with purpose, his poems are simply melodious, poetic, interesting and beautiful. And the basic significances of his poems are fascinating portrayal of nature, symbolism, honesty in feelings and _expression, nostalgic and expressionism. Prakashak : Bharati Gautam, Brentwood, TN 37027, USA. Designer: Uttam Kharel Price: Rs. 69. Bani Offset, Pvt. Limited Katmandu, Nepal. |
| ashu | Posted
on 09-Nov-03 04:31 PM
Shiva-ji wrote: "Ashu ji, I have not only passion for Biostatistics but also for literature. My second book of poems is about to be published by Sajha. I also write stories (with a tilt towards psychology), and observational essays mixed with philosophy. In a sense, Biostatistics just earns my bread." Shiva-ji, Delighted to know this. Let us know where you poem ko book comes out. With interests in BOTH mathematics and literature (a relatively rare combination!), you'll greatly enjoy the greater Boston are, which, as always, must be teeming with some of the most amazing people with incredibly diverse interests. Again, my very best to you for your continued success. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 09-Nov-03 09:55 PM
akela, kina tetti saro frustated hunu bhayeko? |
| Puru Subedi | Posted
on 10-Nov-03 02:27 PM
First of all, on behalf of INLS ( http://www.inls.org ), I would like to join everyone in congratulating Gautam ji for his achievements. We are all proud of him. I had an opportunity to meet him a few times on ANA Convention and other Poetry Festivals. He has been helpful to INLS in promoting Nepali literature in the USA. He coordinated a very successful International Nepali Poetry Festival in Atlanta as some of you know and may have participated on it. Biswo ji was requesting INLS to conduct similar Poetry Festival again. We plan to turn to Gautam ji again when we organize similar Festival. By the way, if you are in the DC area and are interested in reading a poem, I invite you to a Poetry Recitation Night at Mt. Everest Restaurant on Thursday (13th), 7-9PM where you can meet/welcome/congratulate Gautam ji and hopefully listen to his poems. You can contact the organizers - Hemanta ji at (202) 462-3980 or Prem ji at (703) 356-3874 for more information. -PS |
| Qallu | Posted
on 10-Nov-03 08:32 PM
Gautam ji, Congratulations. Hamro aafnai Manil Suri?! :) Okay, but who the hell is Kamala Sarup. If that was supposed to be a "critical" or even just a "review" or even a "promotion" piece for the collection, she failed miserably. That has to be the most sorry "review," "critique," let alone an "ad" for any peice of writing. Sorry :) just my opinion. Yes, there are some who do this "Harvard Harvard" kura from time to time. I have to say this Ivy Leaguism has to be some of the the most absurd and elitist thing there is. So completely myopic. Its a great thing, Gautam ji is obviously smart and hard working and lucky and all that. It is great! But (no offence hai) he is no more special than someone else who does something else that does not have that "Harvard" currency or is not a "daktar" or is not making lotsa dollares. |
| Shiva Gautam | Posted
on 10-Nov-03 11:22 PM
Thank you Puru ji. See you in DC And Qallu ji -Thank you too. I truly believe I am no more special than anybody else. Things that make us what we are really the results of being at the right place at the right moment. You mentioned the word ''smart". I believe intelligence is universal - the same intelligence is in all living beings, just like it is the same water whether it is in the ocean, in the clouds, in the pond, or in the water dripping from a leaky faucet. The only difference is the container shaped and dented from various factors mostly beyond anybodys control. Intelligence (perhaps this is what ancient people meant by Sarasawti) is not a 'pewaa' of anybody. The thing behind Harvard ko kuraa is the rich environment and opportunity it provides to people interested in doing certain things. I think the psychology behind the thread is the not the name Shiva Gautam, otherwise there would be threads originated by people of other countries too. Nepal has to do something (everything actually) with it. So the thinking that the person is only a medium and hence ignoring him or making him only peripheral would not make it less interesting (a humble suggestion- although humility could be a subtle form of arrogance/show off but I am quite aware of what I am writing) Again thanks to everybody (even if I did not or will not respond individually) Shiva :-o) |
| decadence | Posted
on 10-Nov-03 11:40 PM
congratulations and best of luck shiva ji. it was quite intresting reading ur views on intelligence- that it is universal and not somebody's "pewa" or anything.i firmly believe that intelligence was bestowed on us impartially- and someone just claiming that h/she is intelligent is futile. but yes, some of us do know how to use it better than others; and u may serve as a good example of a from of it used well. And, i would love to read your poem collection, including your other works. once again, best of luck. always decadence |
| akela | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 01:09 AM
Let me tell you about him. Nepali governmentle USA ma governmentko paisama padhana pathayeko ho gautamlai. Yeha aaye pachhi, yetai bhasiyera afano ra afano family ko development baheko shiva gautamle ke gareko chha yo 20 barsama? Nepal governmentko paisale yeha padhe pachhi yetai bhasine ki Nepal farkera deshko sewa garne? Harvard oxford jaha padhaye pani desh prati bafadar nahune ko tarif garera ke tauko dukhaune? Shiva gautamle afanai family sabailai US bolayera familyko sewa bahek Deshko lagi kehi gareko chhaina. He has done nothing for our country. You can see him hypocracy in his face. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 01:31 AM
Akela ji, tapai le kati minus (negative) powerwala chasma layera lekhdai hunu hunchha han? I don't think Nepal government sent Shiva ji for his doctoral degree in USA (I may be wrong??). I believe he came on his own (probably graduate assistantship or USEF scholarship). If he had a governemnt allocated scholarship, usually one has to serve the country for at about 2-5 years. Otherwise he has to pay all the educational expenses. Usually government scholarship for US PhD is beyond the reach of ordinary people. I bet that you must be very close to very influential politician or be a bhitriya khandan to access that sort of scholarship. However, there are always opportunities for Nepali talents in Nepal like Fulbright, East West Center, World Bank, Asian Dev Bank, USAID, GTZ, ODI, etc fellowships to study overseas where you don't have to work in Nepal, but can serve the country from anywhere at different capacity. Hope that explains well. |
| Shiva Gautam | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 05:14 AM
I thought I will not post anymore but I am forced to do so just to set the record straight. I came to the US on my own- after getting a teaching assistantship. Nepal government has nothing to do with it. It is surprising that some who 'knows me well' does not know this. Furthermore, he does not know that out five families in the USA I helped only one rest of them themselves. (I might have inspired them). I also invited (for short period) a doctor from Nepal to be trained (at Vanderbilt Medical School) as the first renal pathologist. By the away he is a Nepal government employ. I also invited some world class professors (whose text books are used all over the world, whose has recieved international teaching award etc. You should see the smiles on faces of those students) to Nepal to teach at Kathmandu Medical School (for short period also). So I have been inviting people- but I do not see anything wrong with it. By the way, if the definition hypocrisy is thinking of your family and first, then I like the definition. Thanks Shiva :-o) |
| rbaral | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 05:25 AM
While I was talking to a seemingly bright young guy in Nepal during my last visit, he eventually asked me, " Do you remember how much Nepali Government has spent to make you what you are"? This is a typical question. Without slightest knowledge, people just seem to get a great satisfaction in asking this type of question. Namaste, Rishi |
| ashu | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 05:26 AM
Shiva-ji, I would think that learning to accept anonymous and gratuitous personal criticisms and "gaali" should also be a minor hallmark of a successful Nepali anywhere in any discipline :-) The fact that you are personally attacked -- for plainly silly reasons -- proves, to me anyway, that you are too succesful to be ignored by some of our Nepali daju-bhai and didi-bahini. That's a by-product of success, ke garne? :-) It's one thing to criticize your ideas with reason, but it's completely another to criticise you for personal stuff. Please carry on with your research, and please don't mind what anonymous snipers say about you here. It's fair to say that most people here on Sajha are quite reasonabvle people, and read these attacks for "amusement value" and do NOT mistake them for the truth. It's great to have you participate in this forum. oohi "tired and hungry at work" ashu ktm,nepal |
| Chordaku420 | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 05:45 AM
Congrats to Shiva Ji first. I have seen 50 or so peeps here in USA, who came here for some government funded tranining and never went back. I have met few of them who went to Australia, Japan, Norway and UK to study with scholarships given to Nepal and came to USA and vinished here. Shame on these folks but no to Shiva Gautam Ji. In USA, you get RA or TA from the big research schools. |
| Puru Subedi | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 06:31 AM
Qallu ji, Here is the info on Kamala ji: http://www.paradesh.com/All_By_Author.php?AuthId=4 Her views: http://www.freenepal.com/6int_kams.htm She must have written that in a hurry. Anyway, she writes way too many articles for the internet and other newspapers in Nepal in addition to volunteering for INLS. -PS |
| saunak | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 08:11 AM
Congratulations Shiva-ji! Shiva-ji, remember kukur bhukdai garchha, hatti hidai garchha. Don't pay much attention to peoples' negetive remarks. Positive thinking is a rare commodity for a lot of Nepalis, anyway. I had said this before as well in Sajha. I, for one, tend to treat negetive remarks as some source of energy. That doesn't mean I like getting them. But what can you do? Let them run out of words. I look forward to reading your poems when it comes out. I really enjoyed reading sapanaka rangaharu. Lutieko Nirdoshpan is one of the poems I really liked in that collection, I encourage you to go back to that poem and reread the last two lines. Congratulations again! We are proud of you. Look forward to seeing you at the poetry recital that the Academy of Nepali Poets and Writers has organized in your honor in Washington. |
| Gokul | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 01:45 PM
(1) We are congratulating Dr. Gautam for his achievements and not for being a sadhu devoid of kama, krodh, lobh, moha. So it does not matter whether he is ghamandi (as someone claims) or not (although I doubt it because knowledge always begets humility and he is a knowledgeable person.). The question is whether his achievements are really praiseworthy or not. In my opinion, they certainly are. As long as Harvard is considered the (or a) centre of excellence and as long as we consider excellence as something to strive for, then achievements like Dr. Gautam's are absolutely commendable. Being the first Nepali to reach in that position only reinforces its significance. Furthermore, Dr. Gautam came had a very humble beginning. So he is also a source of inspiration to many underprivileged Nepali who may consider themselves unlucky and make no effort to rise. Seeing him in this position today may inspire them. (2)Someday asked him "what has he done for Nepal?". Again, we are not congratulating him for his exemplary service to Nepal although he seems to have done many things for the betterment of the country from his sector already . If you are jealous of somebody and have nothing to say against that person, then either you engage in personal vendetta or ask this million dollar question, "What have you done for Nepal?", which I would like to euphemize as the eternal, omnipotent boomerang that never misses its target. We take it for granted and fail to ask whether the person asking this GREAT question has in fact done anything or by simply asking this question, is he relieved from the burden of serving his country? Dr. Gautam has got this opportunity now and we can hope that he will utilize his position to serve Nepal in the future (He has already mentioned about it somewhere). He has already made some contribution to the Nepali literature despite his busy schedule and I believe he will do so more in the days to come. Let us give him 5-10 years and see what he will do. Only by then, we can assess his contribution to Nepal, if necessary. (3)Somebody again said that he invited his brothers to the US. That to me is a sign of caring and love to one's family and not selfishness. One must love himself, his family, his society, his country, and the whole world, although not necessarily in that order. Sometimes we are in the position to help our family but not the whole society. As long as we help somebody (even if it is our own relative), I think that would be called helping. We don't have to neglect our relatives and talk BIG about serving the country, in order to justify one's greatness. Let us all do what is practical and possible and not become unreasonably cynical. (4) Finally about Sajha itself. Dr. Gautam, Sajha is a wonderful community where you will find many interesting, talented and diverse people. In this sense, GBNC should stand for Globally Bideshiyeka Nepali Communities. Since you are a person interested in Nepali literature, I suggest you not to miss Nepe's ghazals. You will find them far superior to what are generally published in Madhupark and Garima. And I request you to participate in Sajha on topics of your interest, time permitting of course. Although there are a few who like to slander others, majority are (as Ashu said) rational. |
| Kamala Sarup | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 03:06 PM
Dear Qalluji, Namaskar I must thank you for your kind words. Indeed, I am an ordinary person writing something that I feel is good for me. You seem to be talented. You are so wonderful in expression. I know person's qualities with some expressions and writings. You have compassion and potential future. Your major strength is that you are open. I sometimes feel so good that my emotions, my capacity for empathy, my enthusiasm for beauty teaches me literature is an about experience. Good and bad so all experience is good.To accept what literature is and to live it well with plenty of good stuff in between. I am proud of Dr. Shiva Gautam. Dr Gautam deserves special praise. For many years he served in education boards of numerous universities in Nepal and the US. Dr. Gautam is a great teacher, educationalist and writer, as well as caring for his own people. He encouraged Nepali literature. He is also carrying with his Nepali image, civilization and culture of Nepal and introducing them in the US. I look forward to receive your continuous comments in the future. I can guess from your comment will encourage a person like me to work more then before which will definitely help to promote on the respective field. By working together we can spread the word that literature is one of the fundamental components to a better world.we have to continue on our journey, even in the darkness. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 03:14 PM
This thread is triggering popping up of real people like Dr. Shiva Gautam, Puru Suvedi, Kamala Sarup, etc. Now who the hell are Quallu or Akela?....ahahah |
| lonely1 | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 04:34 PM
Bhunte, you wrote, This thread is triggering popping up of real people like Dr. Shiva Gautam, Puru Suvedi, Kamala Sarup, etc. Now who the hell are Quallu or Akela?....ahahah BUT THEN, Who is Bhunte? HHHHEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 04:42 PM
Lonely1, I was just curious of Qallu when he/she was curious of Kamala, and just wanted to know of Akela how much she/he was involved in "ratra" serving activities. Bhunte is just a very small creature representing scattered and lonely suppressed voices.. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 04:43 PM
ratra=rastra |
| dipeshb | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 05:11 PM
Dr Gautam: Congratulations for your success. It has become a norm in this forum to play down somebody else's success and achievements by some vocal minorities. And the postings directed against you are just the normal rituals of the forum, there is no need to take them seriously. I hope you already know all this by now. You are an inspiration for many people. And keep up the good work - undistracted by these fringe matters. Dipesh |
| qallu | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 05:35 PM
Thank you Puru Subedi for the link. And Kamala ji, such kind words and so earnest. Hatteri! Were I not totally shameless, I would feel shamed for my earlier judgement and harsh words. I read your bio in one of the sites that Puru ji gave, obviously you are quite prolific and dedicated. A writer for Asmita! Even without having read anything else by you, I am humbled. Glad you did not take my quip above too negatively (thank god! I would otherwise feel really guilty.). Wish you the best. Bhunte, you obviously don't know what a rhetorical question is. I was NOT curious about Kamala ji. When Puru ji put the link above, I was actually surprised that someone bothered. But hey, I checked it out and now that I know more, well, thats great. No harm and no hard feelings. But what is this about "real" people ? Am I unreal because I choose to use a psudonym? And you? |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 05:48 PM
Qallu, of course we are all "real" here, but many in psudonym. No hard feeling hai! |
| SITARA | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 08:02 PM
Kamala ji: To be fair to Quallu's and Puru Subedi's comments on your review of Dr. Gautam's prowess in emotive Literature, I confess, I do find it wanting. This, not because you lack mastery of the English language but more so because the writeup seems generic, written in haste and without much thought. Since your review was posted for public consumption, I doubt it would require compassion to critique your writing; you must be aware that when a reader reads a review, he/she would like an insight to the person reviewed. This, I find lacking in the write-up, for neither did it whet my appetite nor rouse my interest in the person reviewed. Perhaps, you have not done justice to Dr. Gautam's sentiments. Perhaps, steeping into the nuances of his writing and dwelling upon the moment of creation would have helped in giving a different flavour to the review; a flavour that would nudge the reader to cry for more. Just an opinion of a humble fan of Literature . ***************************** Dr. Gautam: First, congratulations! Not for having the Harvard plume in your cap but for holding your own as an intellectual, emotive and expressive writer and scholar. Second, I do not think you owe it to anybody to give the nitty gritties of your personal life. The choices you have made are yours alone and no-one else's business. I wish you all the best in all your endeavors! |
| Soleil | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 08:21 PM
Hatteli sitala dyu, hajul le nalekhya dhelai bhayo. Your readers are crying for your new creation bhanya. Kehi lekhi baksyos na. Kata gaayeb bhai baksya hajul? |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 08:26 PM
Sitara ji, did you read a book review article by Kamala on Parijat's Biography? Nice one... |
| Shiva Gautam | Posted
on 11-Nov-03 09:25 PM
Sitara ji, What a lucid, terse, succinct and intoxicating way of expression you have. English is not my forte, but the expressions like yours often just surrender their secrets if they find a lover to caress them. I wish I had your mastery over the words and the artistry to set those words into a slow but controlled dance whenever I wanted. Please keep writing. I think Kamala ji was simply introducing my book of poems. Your advice is well taken. I thought - just for once - let me speak someone else's language. People tend to understand better if you speak to them in their own language. That's all, it won't happen again. Thanks Shiva :-o) |
| SITARA | Posted
on 12-Nov-03 07:38 AM
Shiva ji: Surely, you flatter me! English not my forte either but you are correct, I have a love of words and wordplay. The mastery of language, you have expressed through your use of deliberate action words which titliate the otherwise stagnant senses. "...the artistry to set those words into a slow but controlled dance whenever I wanted" as I quote you, I remember a thread I had started last year "End of Hibernation": "Dance with me in slow motion, So, I may capture your gaze, hold my breath, feel your aura, just a little longer..." The rest, I have forgotten... :) *************************** Soliel, what a pleasure ! I notice your fingers are lisping, being chatting up bacchas are we? ;) Would like to write again, when I "replenish the source"! Gotta go drink H2O! :) **************************** Bhunte ji: No, I have not read Kamala ji's review of Parijaat (would like to though). Undoubtedly, she can be a thoughtful reviewer. |
| SITARA | Posted
on 12-Nov-03 07:40 AM
English is* |
| akela | Posted
on 12-Nov-03 11:54 AM
Ke ko Harvard? Hamro villageko teacherko secrifice hernu parchha. US ma basera jatisukai pragati gare pani Nepalka teacher jati mahan huna garo chha. Nepalko maya garnele Nepalnai janu parchha. Puru le ke gareko chha Nepalko lagi? America bhasiyera? Shiva gautam ra kamalako tarif garna laz lagdaina? |
| Biswo | Posted
on 12-Nov-03 01:21 PM
Akela, Don't you think you are making a fool out of yourself? Do you know what are you talking about? What is it all? Plain jealousy? Calm down, man. For your information, a lot of works that acadamicians do, it is not only directed for their home country. It is for mankind.Grow up, and think outside of the box. |
| Chordaku420 | Posted
on 12-Nov-03 01:33 PM
Oye Akela, You are none but Foo man. I do not know that well about others but I appriciate what Puru and his while family has done in this community. I have been living in USA for last 12 years and I haven't even seen Puru in my life but this guy and his dad is all about Nepali Culture and all. Do you know anything else besides critisizing nice folks. |
| kamala sarup | Posted
on 12-Nov-03 02:52 PM
Akelaji, Namaskar You are not so wonderful in expression. You seem to be talented, but you need to shape your talent in a permanent and long term phenomena. I am really happy to introduce Puru Subedi as a talented scholar and social right activist from Nepal. Because of his role and responsibility in the INLS, he is also trying to perform both the roles. literature is very independent and infinite area of working and person talent, tactfulness and behavior are the major elements on which one can express own performance in this area. So, Puru Subedi is carrying on this carrier where at least he can contribute for such humanitarian cause. As a president of the INLS which is fully committed to seek different ways and channels of literary empowerment and advancement, he always thinks and talks literature as way to contribute for enhancing and strengthening the development process in the country; it supports for the development of civic society. I hope you will give me positive response.May God bless you! I wish you a success. If you would like to read about Puru Subedi, then you can simply use the following link: http://www.paradesh.com/readArt.php?artId=308 Puru Subedi's views. http://www.yomari.com/p-review/2003/09/04092003/nepali.html Kamala |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 12-Nov-03 03:10 PM
akela--he or she? |
| Puru Subedi | Posted
on 12-Nov-03 05:23 PM
Exactly Biswo ji. Thanks CD420 ji and Kamala ji. CD420 ji, if you are coming to poetry recital in DC tomorrow, we will have a chance to meet. I also plan to bring the NRN special issue of INSIGHT magaine. Nepe ji, are you coming? I attend two of your ghazal workshops in Bhanu Jayanti and Devkota Jayanti and have started writing it myself. I plan to share a few if you come. Thanks for presenting on the workshops. I hope, other participants have picked up the techniques. -PS |
| lonely1 | Posted
on 12-Nov-03 05:43 PM
Congrats to Shivajee. There is no reason not to be happy or proud of that, although it is not the most important thing we ever needed. |
| lonely1 | Posted
on 12-Nov-03 05:47 PM
I just pity those that can't stand a fellow Nepali succeed on his own and those that don't spare any opportunity for self-glorification (sometimes mutual!). Heeee got to balance by taking into the pros and cons and that we need to understand all the variables before passing a harsh judgment on anything, right guys? (Oh, yea, girls can be guys too in the postmodern context!) |
| Nepe | Posted
on 12-Nov-03 09:19 PM
In my childhood, I used to be the most shy kid among dozens of my cousins and sathi-sangi. I still have to struggle occasionally to overcome it. Golkul ji le Gautam ji laai ramro ghazalkar bhanera mero parichaya dinu ta bhayo, but it also brought back my childhood disease to me. Sankat ma chhu, Puru ji. I will call you. |
| akela | Posted
on 13-Nov-03 03:34 PM
Kamalaji, sweet words ko lagi thank you. Aafno study sakiye pachhi yetai bhasiyera Shiva gautam ra Puru subedile jasto sabai family US mai tanne kosis nagarnu hola. Nepal pharkiyera nepali amako sewa garnu hola. I hate hypocracy. Bhunteji, mero bihe bhai sakeko chha. 2 wata lala bala chhan. Kina chinta gareko? |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 13-Nov-03 03:47 PM
akela ji, i m not worried at all ke. i was just confused as i thought you as a woman contrary to some others. kuro tetti matra ho, aru khasai kehi hoina. no offense for asking la. glad that u have 2 lala bala...iswor ka ti dui bardan lai USA ma padhayera jagir khuwaune rahar hola ni hajur ko pani, kaso akela ji? |
| akela | Posted
on 13-Nov-03 03:56 PM
Bhunteji, Mera lala bala Nepalmai padhachhan. Nepal kai sewa garchhan. Aafno lagi matra haina sabai nepalka lagi kam garchhan. Maile ramro talim diyeko chhu. Mero chinta nagarnu. Ma Nepal amako sewa gari raheko chhu. Aafnai khet bechera aayeko paisale 3 wata prathamik bidhalaya kholeko chhu. Yeuta kathmandu ma aru dui wata Nawal parasima. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 13-Nov-03 04:15 PM
Kyarnu ra akela ji, kahile kahi chhora chhori haru "afu takchha mudho, banchharo takchha ghundo" bhanya jasto hunchhan ra po . ekdam khusi lagyo tapai ko pragati dekhera...kunai din tapai ko prathamik pathsala le harvard ko pathsala ko roop liyos bhanera kamana gardachhu. It is interesting that we have guru and guruma from Harvard Univ to a primary school in Nawalparasi in this forum. |
| akela | Posted
on 13-Nov-03 04:22 PM
tapailai swagat chha. Kunai din Nepal aaune man bhayema mero prathamik bidhalayama tapaile padhaunu hune chha. Harvard matra kina Oxford ma pani hamra nepali jana sakchhan. Tara aafhu matra banne haina desh banaunu prayo ni. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 13-Nov-03 04:28 PM
Akela ji, thanks! I definitely love to mingle with the bhantang bhuntungs in your prathamik pathsala in Nepal some day... |
| dipeshb | Posted
on 13-Nov-03 04:32 PM
Akela ji: Good for you. But never try to judge everybody from your standard. As Biswo above said "something are done for" human-being, not for one country. Get "out of the box", start thinking in universal terms. Through collaborative personal achievements only we can lift our country up. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 13-Nov-03 04:33 PM
again it reminds me reading a piece of news from Rato Bangala school where one of my distinguished alumni volunteered lecturing in the Rato Bangala skool. But, i would also rather visit, lecture, and inspire bhantang bhuntungs of a pathsala in Nawalparasi or Nuwakot in future. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 13-Nov-03 04:35 PM
dineshb, i think all participants here are converging to universality, don't we? |
| akela | Posted
on 13-Nov-03 05:07 PM
dibeshji, aafnai deshko maya nagarnele ke global kura garne ho ra? |
| dipeshb | Posted
on 13-Nov-03 08:39 PM
First of all, I am neither "Dineshb" nor "Dibesh". Just call me Dipesh. I had to add 'b' at the end, because "Dipesh" was already taken. Bhunte, I think so. Akela, Patriotism is subject to multitudes of differing interpretations depending upon the person defining it. For you, simply staying back in Nepal is patriotism. For me, doing whatever is necessary to lift the country up in the long run is patriotism, and that may include getting out of the country, studying whole night without any sleep, collaborating with like-minded people, or simply keeping a positive attitude towards everything. I want to be happy by looking at the things that has been accomplished and do not want to panic by looking at the things that need to be fixed. Just look at Dr Gautam, who, from a humble beginning, has reached a position that many people just dream of, and there are many people, our people, out there who are moving towards their individual goal one 'A' at a time. Downplaying accomplishments won't do any good to them. You are free to have your own opinion about patriotism. Just don't try to down play someone else's accomplishment. |
| Biswo | Posted
on 13-Nov-03 09:01 PM
Dipesh, Good points there:-) |
| VincentBodega | Posted
on 13-Nov-03 09:06 PM
Akelaji, I think we have walked this path before, tai pani I will ask you again why is there an expectation that we all should contribute to the development of the country. I dont think its an obligation that I have to commit to. Ki kaso? |
| dcmetroadmin@sajha.com | Posted
on 14-Nov-03 12:41 PM
Here is the news of welcome program in DC published by Nepalipost.com: http://www.nepalipost.com/main.html#219 And couple of poems read at the program: http://www.nepalipost.com/literature.html#174 http://www.nepalipost.com/literature.html#173 Enjoy! |
| dcmetroadmin@sajha.com | Posted
on 17-Nov-03 11:36 AM
Views of US based Dr. Gautam and Mr. Thapa published in People' Review: Nepal's education makes one more uneducated By Kamala Sarup Everyone has the right to education... Education shall be directed to the full development of human personality and to the strengthening of respect for ............................... http://www.yomari.com/p-review/2003/11/13112003/kam1.html Freelance consultant for US-based businesses By Kamala Sarup Freelance consultant for US-based businesses and the founder member of the Association of Nepalis in Midwest America, Sharda J Thapa opines that the NRN .............................. http://www.yomari.com/p-review/2003/11/13112003/kam.html |