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| ashu | Posted
on 15-Oct-03 07:24 PM
Hi all, Have you all been noticing the needless attacks that this character who calls himself Deepak Bista, or Ashutoshchora, or Ranjit Rana, or Rendra Wasito has been launching against me on Sajha for the past few days? San, do you have any suggestions as to how I should deal with these sort of needless and UNPROVOKED attacks? I mean, I am not asking for sympathy here. In the rough and tumble of Internet debates, with a relatively thick skin, I can take this kind of shit up to a point, after which I, as a human being, start to feel, "What the hell . . . what have I done to this guy and why is this guy relentlessly after me for NO reason?" And I think, as a Sajha contributor, my this question is a legitimate one. For the record, I have never met, worked with or had any dealings whatsoever with this character. If he hates me from a distance, fine, I can live with that. He's free to hate me to his heart's content for whatever reason. But let's face it: Nobody needs to CONSTANTLY harassed the way he's been harrassing me in this PUBLIC forum. What do you guys think? Am I over-reacting, or do I have a legitimate point here? Look forward to hearing from you Sajha friends. And San, I want you to take a stand on this matter, please. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| Biswo | Posted
on 15-Oct-03 08:04 PM
Ashu, For your information, I don't read any posting of this person. I mean, the name 'ashutoshchora' in itself says a lot.I believe that he doesn't have any valid agenda, and I never believed sajha is an arena for launching personal vendetta. No one should do that. I think he should be warned against doing this. |
| Gokul | Posted
on 15-Oct-03 08:12 PM
Ashu, Yours is a very legitimate point. Thank god that you are still posting in Sajha with such enthusiasm and optimism. It is really commendable. Regarding this issue, I feel very sad and disappointed. I realize that sometimes it is impossible to become Jadbharat. I sympathize with you and hope that San would something. In the meantime, do not give up your faith because you have more admirers and friends than what you may have guessed. |
| Poonte | Posted
on 15-Oct-03 08:13 PM
Yeah! maile ta astinai dekhun pichha chhodna khojya haina tyo bajjiye ko...hae, parameshwor! euta Deepak_Bista naam ko kaalo khyaak aai laagya chha Sajha ma...beskana chun dalera seto banaideu bhanera prarthana ni garya ho! Parameshwor le prarthana sunena bhane aafai huttinchhu tyo Australia tira...aek doko chun bokera...euta roun pani kaalo chhodechhu bhanera dhobini ko chyaataa pettikot ko kassam, ma ni bau ko chhora haina! ****************** Seriously, San, so far I had been ignoring this nuisance thinking it's only occasional, and that it's not directed towards me. However, when such attacks become so persistent and more aggravated each time, like in the case of this lunatic Rana has, I think we should really be questioning if he really deserves a place in a relatively peaceFul Sajhapur. GALHATTI LAAYERA GHOKRYAUNE BELA BHO, SATHI HO, YO RENDRA WASITO...RANJIT RANA...DEEPAK BISTA LAI! JUTTA KO MALA LAAIDERA GAAM NIKALA GARNU PARYO!!! Normally, I would have advised Ashu to simply ignore this guy (kaag karaundai garchha, pinaa sukdai garchha); however, when it becomes attttttiiiiiiiii, I can surely relate to Ashu's concerns. |
| dautari | Posted
on 15-Oct-03 08:24 PM
Well ashu dai .. there is always a jerk or two wherever you go. Most of the times, it is best not to pay any attention to them, until you get pushed too far. |
| smsainju | Posted
on 15-Oct-03 08:26 PM
Ashu, A month or two back, in the middle of the afternoon I was working from my home office. I heard a loud knock on my door and I rushed to the door. I saw two gentlemen, one in suit (well dressed) and the other one very casual. Both were big guys. The man in black suit said, "We would like to speak with Mr. Sainju." To which I replied, "This is he." Then the guy opened up his wallet and showed me his ID. It turns out that he was an FBI agent. The other guy apparantely was this dude's protector (bouncer I guess). I said, "What can I help you with gentlemen?" The guy said, "Mr. sainju, you have been under our surveillance for about a month and you are under investigation." He further goes on to say that they would like to talk to me in more detail. I was like, man, what the hell!!! What have I done? So I invited them to my house. And here is the story. Apparantely, someone informed the FBI that I have been involved in planning to bomb a US Embassy in Dhaka, Bangladesh. The informer goes on to say that I have been dealing with Muslim extermists ( a particular group but I forgot the name) in Southeast Asia (Phillippines, Malaysia and indonesia). The story becomes even more interesting. A few months back I sent a gentleman who works for my company on a USAID task to Phillippines. I have been talking with him from my home phone at nite on the project. In light of these charges or whatever you call it, my calls to Phillippines was very alarming to FBI as a result I guess they tapped all my phone conversation in and out of my line. It turns out that the informer is no other than my best buddy "DEEPAK BISTA, RANJIT RANA, DHALKE TOPI PYUTHANE." Man, where did he get this name from? I just feel like laughing. So, to make the long story short, the FBI questioned me for almost like 5 hours on that day. What a nightmare!! But I guess, I persevered. In the aftermath of 9/11, I don't blame the FBI doing what it thought was necessary as a precautionary measure to avoid any calamity. At the end, they dropped the charge. Infact, I have two new freinds at FBI that I could talk to if I need to now. To this date, I am speechless. I don't know what I could do with this situation. This guy apparantely went to Flinder's University in South Australia. I did speak with his the then Dean (forgot his name) in abuse case of a computer system. He did mentioned that this guys has some mental problem and had rough time with real Deepak Bista, who seems to be a real nice gentleman from Nepal. Unfortunately or fortunately, this moron is also from Nepal. The Dean would not reveal his name to me for privacy/security purpose. I thought I'd share this with you and every one else. He goes on to call me all kinds of names on many occasions. To the rest: If there is any Nepali living in that area in South Australia near by Flinders University, Please help us track this gentleman. This guy maybe in serious need of treatment. Well, I have been away from SAJHA for quite a while. And I take this opportunity to announce that I gave up my executive position in my former company British Maratime Technology and became an Entrepreneur. check out the site: DataNetwork Management Systems, Inc We are also looking to hire few folks in our DC office. Job requirements are posted on the website. Thanks. SMSainju |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 15-Oct-03 08:27 PM
There are some others without multiple aliases also deserve attention. Such personality who thinks himself as "sajha supremo" but roams like 'chhada sandhe' in p2p to abuse people unjustifiably; and reveals his hidden agenda as a "yon pipasu". For example, in one fine day there was a guy yelling at me in sajha chat room . He was requesting me to for an introduction with that gal, but i couldn't introduce him when the she was there as i was in hurry. After few hours later i met the guy in the chatroom and told him that i would introduce next time if both you guys are here. In turn what this guy replied me was that "malai hanne keti chahinchha" "ma testo ma matra interest chha'. I felt very strange to the guy with his hidden agenda. What do you think of? Am I kind enough for not revealing this guy? I know it is like let the raper go uncomplained. As a warning to the guy, next time he won't tslk and behave like that with me. |
| SITARA | Posted
on 15-Oct-03 08:50 PM
Ashu: I have watched Mr. Deepak Bista hound you (and others too). I have raised this issue with him in the past but to no avail. His agression seems to have been triggered off by the St. Xavier's topic that GP put out a long time ago. Ashu, so far you have been very civil in that you have side-stepped his attacks with tact and grace. However, I agree with you that it is high time that San intervene on your behalf and implement the RED SCRIPT. SMS ji: My sympathies on your traumatic experience and best wishes on your ventures. |
| deepak_bista | Posted
on 15-Oct-03 08:51 PM
All DC area related cliques, who cannot have a vigorous debate outside this little parochial geographical horizon. This is a pity as they cannot handle the discourses in strategic management, international business, economics, Nepali affairs and much more. I am the only one Deepak Bista and trying to link me with others are the classical hallmarks of gatekeeping by a bunch of school yard bullies. This they can do by saying who is in in and who is out. Thus, the principles of exclusion here would be name calling others as mad or lunatic and this is Foucault's dimension of the Panopticon view that this bullies are trying to stigmatise me. Other ways they can do exclusion will be by calling wome as non-virgin and thus it is sexualising them as the deviants. Further, dimensions are marginalising the outsider as they may not be from DC area or other version is racialising by saying as Bhotes.... I will not be intimidated by you immature types....Ican debate and discuss and track you where ever you might be.... |
| KaleKrishna | Posted
on 15-Oct-03 09:29 PM
Dhanna Prabhu, maile asli Depak bistaji lai man mana sarapdai theye, sorry for that sin. I was also amazed by the unmasking and downgrading of comments from the same name, I was wondering if it was the effect of the unmasking of Nepe. Sorry and me dude thought Ashuchora was another ailas for ashu. The name calling and attack on personal character was getting pretty annoying and I was just avoiding his comments. Let not one rotten apple spoil the others, so isolate him, qurantine him, despose, de-spice him, or let us just collectively request him to stop his maniac activities that is bringing all of us a bad name. Feri pane namane, kehi garnu parcha. A. Tato pane de maile nuhaunu cha, natra thik hune chaina, B. Natra ke garne, ha ke garne?? A. Ke garne ne natra Chiso pane le nai nuhauchu. |
| sankaa | Posted
on 15-Oct-03 10:33 PM
omg,looks like Ranjit Rana from Nepal news is here. dyammmnnnnn... |
| KaLaNkIsThAn | Posted
on 15-Oct-03 10:34 PM
Ashu, I'd say, don't take it inside your head dude... (I know I don't have to tell you that) Too many jealous shitheads constantly engaged on corrupting others peaceful mind... And they freakin' brag about morality!! |
| phateko_kattu | Posted
on 15-Oct-03 10:58 PM
Ranjit Rana ji urf Ngarkote , I like to bully people too .To be perfectly honest with you ,I learned to bully people from you .The way you bully is exceptionally exciting and I have watched you bully people for the past 6 years in different websites starting from www.nepalsearch.com .You attend court in Australia every week for your misconduct in real life and you still squeeze out time to bully people online .I must salute your stamina to hurt people .:o) Ashu is one of the heavyweight think tank of sajhapur so I can understand why you picked on him .You are intelligent too and I have enoyed you bully Mr.ashu but enough is enough .lets put a fullstop to it .Too much of one thing is good for nothing.If you dont refrain from bullying him again I will have no choice but disclose your real identity ,your present location (both in australia and nepal ),even your phone numbers etc etc Its pointless to tell you to grow up because this december you will be 37 .Have you ever realised that ?I swear to god I am gonna clap for you if you go and try bullying Pauline Hanson ;) By the way ,Happy birthday in advance Yours truly dangerous fan phateko kattu urf Charikote ;) |
| tantrikebhairab | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 12:03 AM
Namaste to you all, This is my first posting and please allow me to make some comments about your Website. I have been watching this site for more than three years. It is very remarkable to see that objective and merit based debate and discussion is not the hallmark of Nepalese people, whereever they are, and where ever, they might have been educated from. This is a sad saga of the typical Nepalese culture. There is too much subjective and arbitartional emotionalism going on based on too much touchy and feely issues. I think this points towards immaturity and bullying against newcomers with diffrent view than those we have been in the Website from the time of its inception. They are the silverback head hunchos in the pecking order, they should be left alone and with utmost reverence as this is age based ascription of a typical Asian traditional society. I must say this is good enough in a Nepalese imagined community. However, it is not good enough in the virtual Nepali imagined comminity. Gnaging up and marginalising is not the darn thing to do in a civil society. This is mob lynching metality of a primitive village agarian society. If you want to learn about democracy then respect the due processes of the rule of law. If you want to kick someone out then, give them a right of reply and then you all have given him equlaity before law and have not denied him his rihgts to natural law. Grow up and thgis is my blessing to you all. I am not interested in the rallying hooko calls of Mr. Ashutosh Tiwari, Bishwo, Dautar, Bhunte, Sitara, Phateko Patoo or whoever they might be. Good luck and participate in civilised good debate and discussions. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 12:37 AM
Deepak ji, I haven't seen Rendro Washito for about eight weeks in Sajha. I am not sure if Reneto is Ranjit Rana or so called Ashutoshchhora. However, Ashu has been serially being attacked by so called names. Moreover, the forensic analysis appear to be a same person. We only need DNA test should we have tooth brush of each of them. The mess here recently around do not appear so nice. No one here are perfect by any standard, and we are here to learn from each other by sharing ideas and info. Isn't that called pareto efficiency in microeconomics? Consider Sajha as a budding flower where we all need to nurture it to flower it perfect like Orchid or any flower one may want to dream. It will always in his best interest of Rendro or Ranjit or Ashutoshchhora to be friendly in Sajha. Let's put upfront whatever differences one may have and solve them amicably. Let's such undesirable things wont happen for everyone's shake here. Thanks. |
| paad ka | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 12:42 AM
I know this character, Deepak Bista....We had met several times in Melbourne...The last of these encounters was in 1999 at a NANZA (Nepalese of Austrailia and New Zealand) conference...I was bemused by this character's arrogance...He had the nerve to tell me to put the shrimp on the barbie...According to one of my uncle's, Mr. Bista was at that time employed as a contracted kangaroo killer...Furthermore, I became aware that Mr. Bista used to be a significant figure in Nepal politics...So it is before all of you, I feel a need to reveal the identity of the culprit due to his incessant name-calling on these forums.....So with no further ado, I'd like to say I do not know the identity of this man, nor have I ever met him once. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 03:02 AM
SMSainju, that's interesting.... |
| Arnico | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 04:00 AM
Quick responses: Ashu, no, you are not over-reacting. You've put up with too much already. San, it's your website. If you don't clean it up you will lose valuable contributors. These particular attacks are not attacks on Ashu, they are attacks on sajha.com, and on the Sajhapur community. |
| RBaral | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 05:20 AM
Ashu's points are perfectly legitimate. I opine that this issue needs to be resolved. |
| San | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 07:02 AM
Dear Ashu and all, Few years back, we had seen this guy surface in sajha. Due to his personal attacks on individuals, and after many personal exchanges between him and myself, in few of which he even went as far as to threaten me, I blocked him for almost a year so that noone from his domain could even access sajha. During this time, I was tracking the activity from those domains that he used to access and there were always some activity from these domains every day (ie. they would try to access the site, but get nowhere) which made me wonder if I was blocking other visitors from Australia who could have made some positive contributions to sajha. In any event, after a year of blocking, I removed the block, hoping that maybe this guy has learned something. Few months back Rendra Wasito, which is one of his pseudonyms resurfaced on sajha. After keeping an eye on his posting, I found it best to BAN this username since he was not showing the simple etiquette of respect that is essential for this virtual community. When a Username is banned, he is asked to contact the Admin to resolve any issues, before he is allowed to post, and the user is asked to NOT register new Usernames to start posting again. In his case, he went ahead and registered various usernames as pointed out by Ashu. That is a breach of a sajha rule to begin with - it is not a good idea to try to sidestep such rules that are put in place to promote a healthier virtual community. In addition, we have seen his behaviour of constantly showing contempt and disrespect towards individuals and certain group of people. His being able to post freely is not productive for sajha. Sajha aims to bring together people not to take them apart. The behaviour of this guy is promoting anxiety and negative feedback to our regular posters who deserve a common sense etiquette, which includes thier right to not be slandered or constantly pestered with contempt and disrespect, because of someone's poor taste, misgivings, vanity, mental problems or just plain disregard for others. In another thread, he has mentioned that heis never coming back to this site. I really hope he means it, and I will try to help him keep his word. Best Regards, San |
| Arnico | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 08:05 AM
Thanks San. |
| kokahakina | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 09:20 AM
1) This is what I found when I did a google-search on Deepak Bista Australia : A) He is the President of Nepal-Australia Friendship Association (South Australia) Inc. B) He is also affiliated with Sagarmatha Nepali Restaurant (http://www.sagarmatha.com.au) After going through some links, the real Deepak Bista seemed like a real nice person. Also, if you read his writing-style, you will come to the conclusions that deepak_bista from Sajha is not the real Deepak bista from south australia. (http://www.gimpysoft.com/mtblog/archives/000984.html). From smsainjus posting it is clear that Sajhas deepak_bista had/have some beef against the real Deepak Bista. 2) Then I did another search on ranjit rana. I came across the following webposting: http://www.webenter.com.au/fms/judge/rana2003.pdf I posted this link on the following sajha kurakarni: BACKGROUND FORCES IN THE BUSINESS WORLD which was originated by Ashutoshchora. Then deepak_bista wrote back. It got interesting here. The first part of the posting suggested that ranjit rana is a lunatic, etc. etc. But towards the end, the posting took a dramatic turn and started to tell how SMSAINJU and ASHUTOSH were accusing deepak thapa of being rajit rana and how rajit rana took action against them. Also how THE FLINDERS UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH AUSTRALIA tried to frame him. It got more and more pro rajit rana. Then it became apparent that it was ranjit rana, who was writing using the other name. If you look at the style of writings, you can easily come to the conclusion that Ashutoshchora, deepak_bista, Ranjit Rana, or Rendra Wasito is the same person. It is Ranjit Rana. He had this distinct style of writing. It gets very personal and hateful. He also has a unique way of choosing words on his writing. You cant miss it. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 10:39 AM
Alright here's my view on this: I agree with SM Sainjy that this guy seriously needs some help. ashu dai, is this anything new for you? Come on, there are always these people who come with different names and try to defame/discourage/insult whatever you for no reason whatsoever..Given that you have been active in the web since 96-97, I think you understand what I mean. Let the barking dogs bark! He will probably register new names and bombard sajha with his nonsensical posts. anwyay, I hope all is well in Nepal. So, are you excited about the kathmandu-gathering? |
| tabasco | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 10:43 AM
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| czar | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 11:00 AM
The series of attacks on Ashu has been going on for several months now, and it needed to stop. Dissent is normal in debate, but hounding any particuarly individual is bad form, to say the least. Perhaps this sends out a positive indication to the rash and heedless that decency is required here. During my forays into sajhapur, San has consistently made good calls. I can almost sense the smile in "I will help him keep his word.' |
| DWI | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 12:52 PM
irst of all, my hats off to SAN for making the logically sound decisions and giving the unbiased replies. I guess that is why Sajha continues to thrive. About what is happening with Ashu here, I unison my voice with most of his shuvachintaks. No person should be subjected to such nonseniscal howling whether it is in a live dialogue or living threads. I guess the only dilemma for SAN is to decide how to revoke this 'stalker's access to posting such threads. Free speech is everybody's right, but there should be a porovision in this website to block such personalities. When a person complains about such things, he is granting SAN a right to take action on his behalf. I am 100% sure whatever justification San comes with will be logical one. Meanwhile, here is hoping that Ashu's request will be diligently processed |
| dautari | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 01:00 PM
This guy whoever he is must be suffering from acute "ashu-ile envy". |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 01:02 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, I am against all forms of attacks that hurt people. So I see Ashujyu's point on this. But I am still unsure if total censure is the answer, as far as expression in a public forum is concerned. I took the same position during the Rastafaria incident. Maybe I am too much enamoured with the second amendment, but I feel that the right to expression should not be curtailed unless it is absolutely necessary. Except when Deepak_Bistajyu and his various incarnations are making personal attacks on Ashu, I think this gentleman brings interesting comments, albeit eccentric. So would it be possible to ban his postings when they have anything relating to Ashu, but let him through when he is talking about Nepali cuisine or international marketing? SC |
| ashu | Posted
on 16-Oct-03 06:42 PM
San and Sajha friends, Thank you all for your kind words. They mean a lot to me. SMSainju, Whew!! What a story!! I am glad that you are around to tell it, with a good cheer. Some guys are simply sick. My best wishes with your foray into entrepreneurship. San, I think you have taken a right stand on this. Thanks. Finally, as a long-time advocate of free speech, I am hesitant myself to tell others or supervise them on matters related to what to post and what not to post, even when some of the postings may not be to my personal liking. And I also have no problem with the fact that the price one pays for being relatively more visible is that one becomes an easy target for stupid attacks. That said, I hope my 'repeat attacker' draws lessons from what San has to say above. On a larger note, I don't mind my ideas being attacked, even brutally, in this public forum as long as I have chance to explain/modify or defend my ideas. I try NOT to be the kind of narrow person who holds grudges against others for attacking my ideas publicly. That's because my attitude is that: ONLY by being exposed to criticisms of my ideas and thoughts, and only by NOT taking such criticisms personally, am I ever going to learn from others who hold different perspectives. Else, why bother coming to Sajha? And the only reason I VOLUNTARILY stick around Sajha is that I am here to learn from you all, especially those of you whose views are DIFFERENT from mine and who challenge me to think harder, while allowing me to share news and views from Nepal. Finally, I appealed to San because this site, after all, is NOT a publicly-supported site. This is a private site, owned and paid for by San with little contributions from others, for public-benefit purposes. As such, as the owner of this "property", so to speak, only San like a one-judge supreme court, can decide what belongs here and what does not. Thanks all. oohi "feeling much better this morning, after the second cup of Muna Gold Premium chiya with milk" :-) ashu ktm,nepal |
| peda | Posted
on 17-Oct-03 01:40 AM
Hi, It looks like the problem is already sorted. If somebody comes after you like that, that means you have become successful in life. People don't become jealous of a lay streetperson like me. This is one of the ways of looking at things and being happy with yourself, I suppose. I fullu agree that any defamatory remark against anybody should be filtered out. Good luck for the future success! |