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| kgurung |
Posted
on 07-Nov-03 02:03 PM
Dear friends:
Political Asylum seems like the easiest route for Nepalis now, after having talked to some Nepali dais who have recently filed for it. Things seem really shady in the valley and I wouldn't be surprised if something major goes down soon.
However, my problem is that i haven't been back home since 1997, is there anyone who has filed for asylum after having stayed in the US for a few years. If so, please let me know, so i can get some words of advice from my Nepali brother/sister.
Your suggestions would be much appreciated.
KG
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| Chordaku420 |
Posted
on 07-Nov-03 06:33 PM
Don't do it Gurung Ji,
I have talked to one of my lawyer and he things you shouldn't file for asylum after staying in this country for such a long. I think we should wait till the next election and hopefully something comesout.
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| Arnico |
Posted
on 09-Nov-03 12:06 AM
kgurung, what the hell are you talking about?
Okay, if you had fled for your life because you were persecuted for your political views, while not having engaged in any criminal activities yourself, then perhaps you could apply for political asylum.
BUT you say that you have not been back in Nepal since 1997. That makes it sound unlikely that you personally have been persecuted... especially since you seem interested in the "easiest route".... easiest route to what? Cheating another nation into giving you what you don't deserve?
What gives you the right to clog up the system and delay the process for people who might legitimately deserve political asylum, in the US or wherever you happen to be now?
Meanwhile... as for things "seeming really shady" in the valley: why don't you come home and see, like I am doing right now...? Yes, someone got shot by a soldier two days ago (and that is not right!!!!) ... yes, there was a loud sound at Paras's gate the other day... BUT life still goes on as normal for most people, at least within the valley and other major cities.
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| kgurung |
Posted
on 09-Nov-03 12:48 PM
Arnico:
F me for being brutally honest. As for you, what right have you to judge whether i was persecuted, not persecuted? It's hypocrits like you that make me mad. I am simply brainstorming my options after completing college.
Maybe you are okay with paying lakhs to the so called "people's movement" for running a honest and legit business, but I am not. Moreover, I do not want to be a casualty in this bullshit people's war that has claimed lives of thousands of innocent people.
I don't know you and you don't know me, so don't try to judge me. Besides, my friend tells me two students from Boston recently returned to Kathmandu. Your Maoist compadres collected 10 lakhs from each of them. You think that is normal? You think that is fair? Believe me brother, I did not contemplate this option because I am fond of cloggins up the system, I have talked to people that used to run businesses in the valley, I have also talked to people that are contemplating life abroad because of the extortions. So don't feed me this bullshit about life being normal. Perhaps for you, my friend, but ask millions of others who have fled the country. Another friend of mine, who goes to a private school here in the US tells me that a recent survey showed that some 6 million + people are living outside Nepal, which is close to 25% fo the entire population. Now, are you going to tell me that life is still normal?
Yes, I haven't been back since 1997. But if u read the fine lines as to why one is granted asylum, there is another clause, which states asylee could be someone who fears future persecution. And that is what i was thinking... just thinking... i am still a valid foreign student here. If you still think I am a scandalous Nepali overstaying his visa, working in an Indian restaurant 12 hours a day, sending money home every month, then set a day and time and I will meet up with you and enlighten you with the reality on the ground here.
KG
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| kgurung |
Posted
on 09-Nov-03 12:51 PM
Chordaku420:
Thanks for your suggestion...i might go back to school for a master's...
k
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| Rastafariya |
Posted
on 09-Nov-03 01:27 PM
Yo Birader Kgurung! Dont them lisen to them peopal like Arnico. Him fine with his King and them comrades. It normal for he because him have protecsion from him King and them his Comrades.
It is simpal peopal like you and all da brothers that is suffering. Him not know nothing. Him probably not know that half da economy of Nepal is provided by poor peopal clogging da system of other country because peopal lik Arnico is takin all them money in Nepal.
I support you if you is file for asylum and you is have every right to file them.
I not unnerstand why peopal like Arnico have them probilam.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 09-Nov-03 01:39 PM
Kgurung,
You started you first posting by:
>Political Asylum seems like the easiest route for Nepalis now,
which amply demonstrates that you are looking forward to easiest route. Your claim that some two of your friends were asked 10 Lakhs each is equally ludicrous unless you provide specific names. I think Maoists are stupid, but not so stupid that they think a student can pay a million to them.
And for your information, if you file for refugee thing one year after you arrive to USA, you are not likely to get refugee status, according to a immigration lawyer in Houston , Uma Mantravadi, whom a lot of Nepalese here know.
And finally, yes, please don't try to clog the system. There are a lot of legitimate people claiming for refugee status, from Nepal, China, North Korea, Venezuala, Turkey, Iran etc, who are in need of generous help from USA. By unfairly claiming 'refugee' status, you will delay their process, or ,worse, while your application is accepted, their would be turned down.
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| VincentBodega |
Posted
on 09-Nov-03 03:28 PM
KGji,
With the way the words flow in your writing, I wonder why arent you a writer?
I have been living the same life that you exemplify so well in your writing. But again time after time there comes a cold lonely evening and I cant run away from the perpetual question that asks "what the heck am I doing here." I probably have above average income and with that comes a life of ease and comfort. But theres also a bitter truth that no matter how hard I work and how well I do it, this country WILL NEVER SEE ME AS HER CITIZEN, nor will I be able to see in my heart that I belong to this country. No matter what color paper I carry tomorrow I will never find myself getting the resepect I deserve in this opportunist land. I have gained a lot since I have been here, again I have a lost a lot too. The math to determine which side of the balance is greater is yet to be done, but time after time I feel as if I am better off living where my forefathers breathed their last.
But again the reality check... what will I do? thats been the biggest hurdle thats been too high to just trot over. Again, I have to be responsible for my family. I have brought few lives in this world and they deserve the best of this world. Will I be able to give it to them in Nepal? The answer doesnt come that easy.
Arnicoji,
Your concern to clog up the system is very valid and it kinda surprized me when you said things are normal after having mentioned the killing of an innocent boy and the bomb blast outside the crown prince's residence. I guess I dont see the correlation between the events and your statement. I dont think Nepal is normal.
Oh well just thought I would just blabber on and waste few bytes ....
KGji, I think you should do as you please. If you can play the system and be happy then I would say its worth it. I wish you luck and hope you find yourself content in life, something thats been eluding me at this point in time.
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| garibmaila |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 03:25 AM
kgurung, F me for being brutally honest but u sound pathetic!
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| kgurung |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 11:05 AM
Rasta bro and Vincent:
Thanks a lot for your words of support for a ambivalent brother in times like these...it is much appreciated.
However, for Biswo and GaribMaila:
Here is what I have--Yes, i did mention asylum was the easiest route, because unlike you hypocrits or karodpatis, I worked my way through college here in the US. I could have asked my folks for money, but I know how hard they work for a dollar I spend here. How do you think more than 90 percent of the students work here? With the approval of the Bush Government? Yeah...right?
Rasta and those who are in the US know what I am talking about. For Biswo, we have to work under the table brother man, which you disapprove of I am sure. With Biswo and Arnico's trend of thought, we should not work, therefore, we should not go to school. Then do you also suggest we deport ourselves and rot in Nepal with the rest of the country? And if you support students working under the table, then why the double standard? Is one lie greater than the other? Is evading taxes, lying to American employers acceptable whereas stretching the truth to avoid Maoist extortion and possibly a frustrating business career unacceptable? Like I said to Arnico, who hasn't reponded back, I don't know why GaribMaila thnks my situation is pathetic. For I am an educated matwali brother, who frequently contributes to his community in Nepal.
And oh, about naming my friends who paid 10 lakhs in Kathmandu, are you crazy? For all I know, you could be a Maoist your damn self. Do you want me to give out names? specific names? Please...even Rumseld and Bush knows extortion is commonplace in your Brahmin run, Matwali oppressing, brutal feudalistic regime, where our tribal brothers are mere pawns for Baburam, Girija, et al. Need I say more?
KG
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 01:15 PM
KG,
I don't want to make this matter worse, because you invoke this "Matwaali" thing. However, you need to know that without any reason, you have invoked your 'matwaali' heritage here, to prove that lying to American government is ok, which I am sure a lot of matwaali wont' disapprove of.
If want to go ahead with your plan, good luck to you.And pls, never invoke such divisive you 'tagadhari' I 'matawaali' remark again. It hurts me.
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| DISCO |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 02:38 PM
Hey K G, (sorry to barge in Biswo)
You asked questions and you got answers, why get so angry and reactive?, either you give the whole scenerio so people dont presuppose or you clarify yourself, people do have different views, remeber, they are answering your questions either you like it or not and theyre not always there to be pleasing to your present condition damn it. Okey I give you three options:
1) you try your luck with Uncle Sam and his cousions Bush and Rumsfield and get to stay here.
or You go back home.
2) Fight against the MAOists
better yet,
3)take your angry self to some village in Nepal and start up a parallel movement against all of the "Brahmin run, Matwali oppressing, brutal feudalistic regime, where our tribal brothers are mere pawns for Baburam, Girija, et al."'s...thats exactly what Nepal needs out of the education you get (out of whatever means.)
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| kgurung |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 07:08 PM
Disco:
I am simply perplexed by your suggestions...
I don't care who you are when you insult someone's integrity. Support Biswo and insult me, that is fine. However, here is my reaction to you.
When I asked for suggestions, I did not want some smart ass comment like do't clog the system, so and and so forth...how about a simple suggestion like don't do it KG, it's not worth it or it would not be fair like some have done. To whom, if you have noticed, I have thanked and appreciated. It is people like you, with names like disco, who think they know it all. Hypocrits!!!
I don't know where you were educated or for that matter if you were educated, but people are not supposed to preassume. You mention i should clarify, tell my whole story so people won't judge? Which planet are you on? La-la land? Brother, I brought up the matwali thing because it is real and I am convinced assholes are judging because they see the gurung next to my username, u hear? We ain't dumb no more, we know always deserved better and we still do. Disco your way in sajhaland, but today you are going to hear what this gurung brother has to say...something he wasn't able to do in the largely Hinduized, ignorant cow piss drinking state?
Rasta, Vincent, and 420, I appreciate your suggestions yet again.
Sorry Rasta bro, but the Motha was insulting my intelligence...
KG
the warrior mountain poet
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 07:22 PM
Aba 21st century ma pani ko matawali ko tagadhari. Haven't we seen enough tagadhari around "momopasal"? And same number of vegetarian matawali around Pashupati....
Just a reminder that "Sampradayik danga" in Sajha is prohibited by Sajha policy...
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| rbaral |
Posted
on 11-Nov-03 05:35 AM
KGurung has his right to choose the easiest route to get to where he wants to be. As long as he does not violate the law, his rights are guaranteed.
I really wished I knew something for you in this regard to be able to suggest you. But, my sincerest good wishes are with you. Good luck in your pursuit.
Namaste, Rishi
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| Chordaku420 |
Posted
on 11-Nov-03 05:58 AM
Hey KG,
I think you have gone to far talking about TAGADHARI and MATWALI shit. I am a TAGADHARI and I am proud of it and yeah, I do drink cow's piss when I go to my home in Nepal, that is in our culture.
If you hate hindu this much then be a Xtian. If you are not Xtian yet and become now and they will get you greencard.
Tell those missionery try not to convert sojha sajha Nepali (mostly, Rai, Limbu and Tharus) of Nepal but tell them to go to Southern Sudan, Ruwanda, Congo and other sub saharan Africa where 1000 of 1000 Xtian are dying everyday.
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| Rastafariya |
Posted
on 11-Nov-03 08:26 AM
Yo Biradaer peopal! I is always Peace.
Birader K G please do not mind these peopal. Them is just being true Nepali and showing what runs in their Blood.
We is good at what these peopal do. Insult and hinder our own biraders. Cant you see that is why them in Nepal what is happening. This their leaders elected, selected appointed, chosen is just asking peopal like you and I to fight each other.
That is what I is not unnerstan birader KG why these peopal accuse I and I of clogging da system? While them Clogging da whole country and that too is our own country.
You is never been back to Nepal? When I and my biraders work hard here illegally or however and make few moneis and go back them peopal like these is waiting at da airport unclogging da system to take our hard earned money so them can send their chilluns legally to study in da USA. Can not you see birader Gurung?
These nice nice peopal do not want to Clog da system in USA because them have system to Clog in Nepal. So them is not likes when you and I clog da system here in USA. Because them biraders think that we is get to be like them.
Sorry Biraders I is just speak them truth.
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 11-Nov-03 01:47 PM
My my!
Our Gurung brother had just asked a simple and honest question to fellow Nepalis in complete trust about asylum. And what does he get? Self-righteous sermons on why he doesn't deserve even to think or try that option! Come on people, where is our generosity of spirit?
First of all, I don't believe that Nepal is all normal and honky dory shangrila anymore. At the last count, 8,000 people have been killed, 20,000 have been maimed and brutalized, over 200,000 have become internally displaced, and over 125,000 have been forced to leave the country as immigrants or refugees, and except for the privileged people living inside the ring road in Kantipuri nagari, the rest of Nepal lives in constant, mortal fear of random violence, deaths and brutalization. Now is that normal? I guess one man's normal is another's abnormal, depending where you live.
But by reckoning, I am suprised why there are not that many Nepali asylum seekers here. The country is going down the drain, you never know when or how you might meet a sudden death, when the comrade is going to visit you for his tax or other intimidation, or going to drag your near or dear ones into nearby bush and slaughter them.
So there is no clogging the system if another Nepali asks for asylum here. By accusing KGurung of doing so, I think we imply that somehow we are more deserving of this country's largess, that we are more entitled to its safety, than other Nepalis who are trying the escape the mayhem back home. One doesn't cheat to come to this country, it is a country of immigrants...if you look from the perspective of the Native Americans, everybody who came to this country might be a thief, robber, bandit, and a and grabber!
So I think it is rather pretentious for us to judge who is legitimate and illegitimate to come to his country...did anyone ask the Sioux or the Cherokees? So let us not speak for Uncle Sam...he is very capable of doing it for him self.
So let us not imply that we are more meritious and therefore deserving candidates from Nepal for the American pie than KGurung or any other Nepali who wants to come here. What ever means we employ to come here, we are all equal on this soil. It is almost like once you get in the life boat you don't want others to get in!
About the taghadhari, matwali distinction...Sure it is divisive, but why do people feel the need to bring it up? Have we ever thought of that? Maybe there is hundered of years of caste consciousness that is brought to the surface by our thoughtless and self-righteous holier-than-thou tone? The same way we some times vent our anger at shah/rana/bahun because of some past/present sense of justice.
On the main issue:
KGurung jyu, I have seen some people apply for asylum after they are already in the US. They usually claim that the political/security situation has for them or their families since they left Nepal...you have to provide documentation/evidence for this. They look for strong proof of the potential persecution.
So what ever you decide to do, good luck!
Nepalile maya maryo barai lai!!
SC
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| lonely1 |
Posted
on 11-Nov-03 02:17 PM
Gurung deserved better in this land unlike what some self-appointed spokespersons of tagadharis had. to give. I was born to tagadhari parents, but I am ashamed of some people who look at their history uncritically and feel "proud" of everything--even their stupidity!
Gurungjee, I know two people who applied and got it, but then heard about one who did not, and then went to court (because he could go as he did not agree with the decision) but lost the case and was deported rather ungracefully.
So my best wishes with you. Share your experience when you walk through that process.
Oohi, lonely # 1
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| sankaa |
Posted
on 11-Nov-03 02:26 PM
i totally agree with suva chintak bro.. Nepal is a mess , and it's not a joke.. my uncle was asked 6 lakh rs last month , my neighbor next door had to pay something too ray.. it's not stories anymore, it's a cold harsh truth and it's at your door..
our gurung broda just wanted to get some informations , and i don't think why he would clog up the system.. when hundres and thousands of somalians, chinese, and latin americans come and file asylum with fake reasons and live here and after few years becomes citizens too. Why can't our brothers file for an asylum for a valid reason...
All all these people who are teaching about big big morality and not clogging up the sysmte, are they all born here?i'm sure they must have done something to come to the point where they can look all clean...
i've seen people marrying for hario patta, i've seen people washing dishes in indian restaurants for years and filing for skilled labor, i've heard people lying for H1, i've seen big big moralaty people writing cheap cheap begger letters to pull out some scholorships.. i mean , who the heck goes to big big universities with bringing money from home.. i know how some people beg for schorships and show invalid reasons.. isn't that immoral too? isn't that like stealing from some one needy too?? at those people when thier life is little secure than another broda who is in the process they try to give big big lecutes about being leagal and and being moral.. what hypocrats.. what a shame...
don't try to make fun of anyone's struggle.. Gurung ji, my best wishes for you....
later,
sankaa
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| sankaa |
Posted
on 11-Nov-03 02:41 PM
La-la land? Brother, I brought up the matwali thing because it is real and I am convinced assholes are judging because they see the gurung next to my username, u hear? We ain't dumb no more, we know always deserved better and we still do. Disco your way in sajhaland, but today you are going to hear what this gurung brother has to say...something he wasn't able to do in the largely Hinduized, ignorant cow piss drinking state?
-------BRODA why did you have to make it a jaat paat issue.. i'm a chhetry and i have lots of gurungs friends.. and i never looked at them down or they never looked at me diferent for being a chherty.. you're making an ass of yourself bro.. i don't agree with people telling you to not to clogg up the system , but i do not agree with you on your extra sesentiveness about the caste issue..Yes, Nepal is largely hinduized and i will drink the piss of cow if i have to in Nepal..
I'm very dissapointed that educated people like you are such ignorant and possess such hatered for other people.. :(
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| Rastafariya |
Posted
on 11-Nov-03 05:51 PM
Looks like him birader Arnico and Biswo go to tell them his King, Prime Minister or him Prachanda that birader K gurung is trying to clog da system.
Them biraders busy probably telling them President Bush. Maybe them tell da king and him king Gyan will call him President Bush. So be carefully birader K gurung.
Them is busy making plans and making sure you is not clog da system in USA. So birader K Gurung you is better go back to Nepal and join them biraders.
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| kgurung |
Posted
on 11-Nov-03 06:38 PM
First of all,
I would like to apologize to Biswo for goin' off like that. In retrospect, I should not have brought up the Matwali thing. Although that shit is true to some degree, I am totally wrong for making an absolute statement like that, which is never true. There are many brahmin people, including some of my good friends, who are not like that.
However, frankly speaking, the "race card", or in our case, the caste card is so easy to come to your mind, especially when you are extremely mad.
Everyone else, thanks much for your support and suggestions...
KG
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 11-Nov-03 07:39 PM
KG,
Thanks for the apology. I was not looking forward to apology, it was not even necessary, an expression of regret would have sufficed. As you can understand, getting into this caste issue wouldn't have helped any of us in this matter.
You asked for opinion, I gave my honest opinion. May be my opinion was too harsh, but it was not like that because of your caste. I didn't even notice your caste before, believe me. I still wish you goodluck, though I think it is morally wrong to ask for refugee status if you are not directly threatened by the armed forces back home. Unlike Rastafaria's implication, I didn't go anywhere to warn people about you either.
And for others, I didn't come here in government's quota or anything. Nor were my parents government officials. Being grown up in Chitwan, I am not aware of these caste related descrimination, and my classmates were pretty much from ecletic background.
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| sweetP |
Posted
on 11-Nov-03 09:24 PM
Just for knowledge sake, could anybody give a brief description on matwaali and tagadhari, please? I probably have heard them before but I have no idea what they mean. It sounds like discriminatory, but I would just like to know the meaning behind it.
thanks,
sweetP
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| L-a-x |
Posted
on 11-Nov-03 10:00 PM
I agree with subhachintak dai( I hope he is a dai and does not mind me calling a dai, if you mind, I will call you Sc ji or even a bhai if you want to). I read half the thread, but had to go for my exam and could not write then.
I am also not familiar with matwaali and tagadhari...can someone enlight me plz...
kgurung, I know some people who took asylum, who were not here because they were threatned but because they choose to stay here after coming here on a short term visa.
Anyway, wish you all the best for whatever you do.
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| Gunaraj |
Posted
on 11-Nov-03 10:23 PM
La:
Tagadhari = Janai lagaune barga
Brahman and Chhetri are tagadhari. Brahman le 6 sara (# of threads) ko janai lagaunchhan, Chhetri le 3 sara (# of threads) ko janai lagaunchha..... so they are Tagadhari
Matuwali = Madhyapan garne barga
Gurung, Magar, Rai, Limbu (thuprai chhan) caste ko lagi madhya (alcohol) chainchha.... even for pooja aajako lagi. They are matuwali.
Disclaimer: It's just kind of definition. I don't differentiate people based on their caste.
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| DISCO |
Posted
on 12-Nov-03 08:04 AM
KG Ji,
I first clicked onto this site because I thought I could be some help, I know someone who is going through with the P.A. status, I got sidetracted so I did not post, but seems like all is well now. As far as I know they have gathered eveidence of direct threat and coersion from MAO, it has been two years with the lawyers and all and they have said (I'm not entirely sure where they are coming from with this one), but if they can linger in the court for one more year (tatal 3) withought being kicked out, they will get some kind of visa by default. And also it does not matter when you apply as long as your stay here has been legit and you have proof (MAO's are knocking at your door back home etc.).Hope this helps...Allright bro, time to go drink cow piss.. (Just Kidding! :))
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