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| GP |
Posted
on 09-Nov-03 06:46 AM
To mark our dis-satisfaction over the way Mr. Rajiv was killed,
and to honor him being a innocent victim of RNA indiscriminatory
shooting, I would propose to black out Kathmandu. I also
make this open call to Rajiv's sympathizer to black out
their home for 15minute on the evening of 13th day of his
death i.e. end of Kriya Period.
The primary aim of this black out is to tell RNA that we are not
satisfied with them the way they kill innocent peoples just because
they have minor offensive or the people look on their eye to eye.
In order to achieve this "Let Rajiv's Soul rest on Peace"
we should Switch off all the Bulbs and Tubelight in Kathmandu valley.
Send an email to your friends requesting him/her to pass that message
and request to participate in the Mourning of Rajiv's untimely and
unfaithful merciless death. It should also act as an awareness
campaign against possible killing by RNA for those who may
pass unknowingly through minor offenses against RNA. Let us
protect another Rajiv via "Its already too much, no more shooting on Rajiv(s)".
Lets see how far we can go.
GP
Please send an improved version of this call or just forward this posting to antoher friend. Just add a new reader to this posting and ask him or her to add another one to this pyramid, and I am very much optimistic this message will reach to the peoples of Kathmandu and we can show our strength and make our message reach to RNA and their big Boss. We need to be united. Please remember that we are not part of Maoists,
and lets not forget that Maoists are not less than RNA in killing innocent peoples and its a kind of message to both RNA and Maoists.
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| GP |
Posted
on 09-Nov-03 06:48 AM
here we go another picture of reality: (from kantipur online or nepalnews.com)
A nepali version of Sholay's dialogue.
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 09-Nov-03 07:17 AM
GP
Please send an improved version of this call or just forward this posting to antoher friend. Just add a new reader to this posting and ask him or her to add another one to this pyramid, and I am very much optimistic this message will reach to the peoples of Kathmandu and we can show our strength and make our message reach to RNA and their big Boss. We need to be united. Please remember that we are not part of Maoists,
and lets not forget that Maoists are not less than RNA in killing innocent peoples and its a kind of message to both RNA and Maoists.
GP ,
Don't you think you are taking this further than it actually is necessary? Come on, the Army has already taken the culprit into custody and interrogation and investigation is underway. What happened was really tragic. I am as saddened as you but leaving all the anger and frustrations aside, don't you think if those kids do not stand in every corner of the valley with the SLRs, Kathmandu would be much much worse? So, we got to appreciate what those kids are doing to protect us and our properties.
I find it saddening that we don't appreciate what others are doing for us. Has anyone in sajha posted a obitury/eulogy to the Army personnel who died while fighting to save us? Those people from bomb diffusal who died while diffusing a bomb in the valley or elsewhere? Those kids who got shot when going home for dashain?
Also, where was all this nautanki karyakram when the other party was committing atrocities all over? When little kids were getting abducted? Just curious. Just ebcause, the Army belongs to the state and it doesn't posess a threat to you and your family even if you come up with all these nautanki and birodh karyakram doesn't mean that you have to be so critical of it all the time.
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 09-Nov-03 07:25 AM
Also,
What I find funny here is, how some people are using this rather "isolated" incident to promote their own political agendas/views.
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| Gokul |
Posted
on 09-Nov-03 11:01 AM
(1) It is very tragic, should not have happened.
(2) Does this prove that the whole RNA is demoniacal? No.
(3) Does this show that RNA need to be more prudent than what they have been at present? YES
(4) Does this show that RNA tries to cover up its mistakes by concocting stories? YES
(5) Is it necessary for RNA to understand that saving innocent lives is more important than killing maoists? YES
(6) Is there any words like "apology" and "sorry" in RNA's vocabulary? NO.
(6) RNA and Maoists are in two different businesses. However, incidents like this will convince people that the difference is only theoretical. That conviction will be very unfortunate.
(7) Should RNA be more janamukhi? YES
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 09-Nov-03 03:01 PM
>Has anyone in sajha posted a obitury/eulogy
>to the Army personnel who died while fighting
> to save us?
I am in sajha since long, and I remember that whenever the Maoists killed an innocent teacher , an innocent journalist and others, we have strongly condemned such incidents. The community here was always conscious to condemn those who killed innocent, unarmed civilians.
And I still remember that whenever there were these huge massacres of police jawaans by the Maoists, we always mourned the jawaans and vented our anger against the cruel Maoists.
So, I reject this nonsense from IF, that we are only one-sided mourners. We are not. What is true,however, is IFji is an one-sided mourner. I haven't seen a word of condolence to this young man's bereaved family from him. That alone should tell a lot.
>Those people from bomb diffusal who died while
>diffusing a bomb in the valley or elsewhere?
Can you name me the person or the incident in which a person from bomb diffusal squad died while diffusing a bomb in valley? I am serious. I think you are creating a scene that probably never existed. Frankly, if someone died while diffusing a bomb, he is my hero, and yes, I had talked with quite a few of those police officers who trained in USA to diffuse the bomb, so I know some of them personally, and they told me while the job is obviously fraught with danger, the casualty rate worldwide is not as high as people assume. The standard practice in real world(as opposed to movie) is: no one diffuses bomb knowing that it could blast soon.
No one should try to dilute the quest for justice by invoking incidents that never occurred. If you are not capable of sympathizing with others who have sufferred, I can understand that. But throwing a bunch of inane statements to justify your position only undermines it.
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| KALANKISTHAN |
Posted
on 09-Nov-03 03:11 PM
>Has anyone in sajha posted a obitury/eulogy
>to the Army personnel who died while fighting
> to save us?
LOL! Has anyone ever gone through each and every thread and remembered all the contents?
You have? You should seek help! :D
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| U_2 |
Posted
on 09-Nov-03 04:03 PM
> don't you think if those kids do not stand in every corner of the valley with the SLRs, Kathmandu would be much much worse?
That was not the point of the thread, I guess. The point is army men killed innocent man for a small accident! The point is, with this incident, people feel no more safe with armies around!
>So, we got to appreciate what those kids are doing to protect us and our properties.
Yes, if they do the job, that is protecting people. Why are you so upset, when some one criticise army for their stupidity, i.e. killing and threating innocent people.
> Has anyone in sajha posted a obitury/eulogy to the Army personnel who died while fighting to save us? Those people from bomb diffusal who died while diffusing a bomb in the valley or elsewhere?
That is their job and duty. And people do get sad when army men get killed too!
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| GP |
Posted
on 09-Nov-03 05:38 PM
IF san,
you fail to understand the impact of the death Rajiv. RNA is run by
tax payers money, not from looted money (well, I am not going to
talk how tax is collected). RNA needs to be more responsible if they
want to have respect. But, now, what I understand is that whether
RNA is for Country and Citizens first ? Now, it seems to me, that
we citizens are slaves and RNA might be thinking that way, and if
you try to look at their eyes, you will be either threatened or killed.
RNA is for only Royals and RNA is trying to save country for Royals
and it seems they are not going to save country for the citizens, because
citizens are not citizens in their views, but are slaves. You talk and
look at the face of a RNA jawan that you don't him or he don't know you
personally, the answer you will get will be terrific.
If such incidents continue, then, RNA will face the hate they suffered
in Baglung long time back, when they killed a local contractor. Peoples
hated them (voluntarily) so much that the army did not have porters
to carry RASAN to Baglung and have to transfer by helicopter. It
continued for years. I am sure if there are going to be more Rajivs,
RNA will have similar fates to suffer.
RNA should be preapred not to suffer hate and social boycott as it
happened in Baglung long time back. I wonder whether you know
the Baglung incidents.
I am just wondering whether RNA is trying to announce sucide
of the guy who killed Rajiv in order save the face within public.
This is how RNA operates, sometime.
They should stop lying. How they lied in the past lets see:
1. One RNA jawan killed a restaurant owner in Pokhara because
he had affairs with a local woman, and RNA officers told to public
that guy never went out of RNA barrack. It happened in Rani Pouwa
Pokhara.
2. Namita Sunita kanda. The perperators were staying RNA barrack
in RAni Pouwa and raped and killed Namita and Sunita Parajuli after
rape. Do you want to know how a guy was called from India, Delhi
when he told to his friends that he might have seen the girls and
the guys in the bus? He was almost killed. He was not allowed to meet
relatives for 15days and ......... I know that poor fellow who
was trapped from Delhi to Pokhara, through a telex that his
father is sick and when he arrived in Bhairahawa he was caught
and sent to Pokhara to find whether he had seen those perperators
in bus traveling with Namita and Sunita, so that he can be stopped
from telling the guys face and outlook in public. That Banpale who
saw the rape died by the bullet of RNA. Lets not forget it.
I have seen .......
Bye for now.
GP
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| aludai |
Posted
on 09-Nov-03 11:04 PM
My condolences to Shrestha family and all others killed, kidnapped in our 'previous' zone of peace.
This present problems are results of a new type of culture we are embracing as a direct result of armed insurgency. Here everybody is suspicious of each other and resorts to gun to sort out conflict. One group comes to you and says that you have to give them
donation as they are fighting for you. Remember it is your hard earned money( I am not talking about the corrupt politicians who probably have some sort of understanding with the insurgents anyway). If you don't pay them they will kidnap you even if you are 80 or so. The army probably cannot distinguish friend from foes and resort to gun to help themselves. They too are following the Maoist saying, ''power comes from the barrel of gun.''
So what is the solution?
Probably all of us know that we should look for peaceful way out and restore civil rule. Once the army goes back to barrack, the problems will start to decrease to a large extent.(Easy to say, difficult to achieve)
We need to have some sort of constitution- whether new or old and a mechanism whereby people get to elect those who rule them (even if they are corrupt).
The most difficult part is to convince the maoist to follow a non violent path and disarm. It is against their ideology as they believe that power comes from the barrel of a gun. Also there are now pockets of insurgents who are basically like robbers. It is an easy way of making money. Traditionally our society has respected money- we do not ask how it was earned.
The bottom line is '' We do need change in our social order'' but violence and gun is not the solution. We should not be going towards a gun culture.
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| garibmaila |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 02:12 AM
-"........Army personnel who died while fighting to save us?"
us??? does rna protect me and my family?? never knew that!! and if it does, it protects me from what/whom?
the word royal in RNA makes it clear whom it protects and whom it belongs to!!!
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| krishna |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 03:17 AM
GP ji and Biswo ji,
I understand your sentiments and its very understandable. I would like to provide my deepest sympathies to the family of Mr. Rajiv. This is a tremendously tragic incident and we should all condemn the attack to the fullest.
However, such kind of tragedy occurs in a daily basis on the RNA side personnels who are guarding more vulnerable places across the remote areas. You don't know and I don't know the exact numbers of deaths but we can all guess that the numbers are higher. Those service-men have given their life to protect our own innocent brethrens, let us not forget them. If you say things like that, aren't you then voicing your disprespects towards those army men??
Because of those soldiers patrolling the capital, people there are more safe, without whom the attack would have been more dangerous and lethal.
Let us also not forget the kind of war the RNA is fighting. I personally think that they find it hard to differentiate between the enemy and their own. This does not however mean that they can fire wherever they like and do whatever they want. This would be simply undesirable.
Ok, lets say that there has not been any deaths from bomb diffusals by the army men. But is there any one here who doesn't agree with me that, you have to put your life on the line to do such kind of thing??
I support the point of view of both sides. We are all Nepali.....
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| GP |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 04:44 AM
RNA should correct their behavior before they get hated and isolated from public. If such incidents occure repeatedly in KTM or in remote areas, it will not be long that
RNA will be hated by public and they will be isolated from public. Isolation is arleady
there thats why they can not catch a single top level Maoists ? The killing of low
level Maoists surely includes more innocent peoples, under the assumption
of Deepak Gurung's style of justification "if that guy has gun or bomb". If they
were working with public like water and milk, they would have surely caught
top level maoists, but, RNA is already facing a repulsive isolation like oil and water,
can not mix with public, because peoples are gradually getting isolated from
RNA as if public is water and RNA is oil, not the milk. RNA should prove that
they are milk to public "water". The oil like RNA is so hot that any water bubble
approaches will be fire out to vapor............... This is gradually developing.
So, they should change their strategy and prove that they are milk and can
mix with people as if water and milk.
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 06:00 AM
Biswo,
I never post anything without having all my bases covered. I think uasing high GRE vocab has made you totally misunderstand or willinglynot-understand rather simple plain English because I did write " I am as saddened as you but leaving all the anger and frustrations aside..." Now, do you expect me to write an epic?
So, I reject this nonsense from IF, that we are only one-sided mourners
Fine. Well, you and I have two different ways of looking at things. What I post is nonsense for you and what you post here do not make any sense to me either. Just as you are guided by your own agenda, I am guided by my own. So there's no reason to waste time trying to persuade each otehr because we both know its just a sheer waste of time and resources.
Anyways, as I stated at the begining, I only post things when I have all my bases covered. Since you asked for it, here's it:
http://www.vic-info.org/regionstop.nsf/0/3884c32435700ba60a256c2500039b19?OpenDocument
Nepal - Kathmandu Bombings: A Special Press Summary
Executive Summary
1. Assessment: Nepal's government has blamed Maoist insurgents for 3 explosions in Kathmandu over the last 48 hours. Although there is precedent for Maoist involvement (and this is the most likely explanation), the incidents could also be a result of political violence or criminal activity unrelated to the insurgency. Nepal faces considerable uncertainty in the run up to November's scheduled general elections, and Maoist attacks as well as other political unrest probably will increase throughout the country. So far, Americans and other foreigners face no direct threats, but an inadvertent risk of violence threat exists (being in the wrong place at the wrong time). The Nepalese government, which lifted the state of emergency 29 Aug, may argue for its re-imposition, ostensibly to control Maoist violence prior to elections.
2. Summary: Nepal's capital, Kathmandu, experienced three bomb blasts in the last 48 hours resulting in 1 death and extensive property damage. The first blast took place at a shopping center in Kathmandu on 28 Aug. The explosion, which reportedly occurred about an hour before shops opened for business, damaged approximately a dozen stores but caused no injuries. The second bomb blast occurred on the morning of 29 Aug; it went off as a soldier tried to defuse it. He was killed, but the bomb caused no other casualties . On 30 Aug, a bomb exploded at a city council office in the suburbs of Kathmandu, causing property damage but no injuries. No one has claimed responsibility for the 3 attacks, but police hold Maoist insurgents responsible for planting the explosives. There is a precedent for Maoist involvement, the insurgents have used crude [and often very small] improvised explosive devices (IEDs) in attacks in Kathmandu since at least 2000. Meanwhile, the Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba's government lifted a state of emergency, imposed in November 2001, on 29 Aug. The government had initially declared the state of emergency in response to a series of lethal Maoist attacks against the Army and police in western Nepal. Prime Minister Deuba has cancelled a trip to South Africa to attend the Earth Summit, in order to return to Kathmandu to address the question of whether the state of emergency should be re-imposed to facilitate Army counter-insurgency (COIN) operations. Political parties oppose re-imposing the state of emergency, saying it would interfere with the campaigning process prior to the general elections. Opponents argue that the emergency would allow the government to harass politicians, curb rallies, and strictly censor the press. Some officials argue that emergency laws would allow the government to prosecute a successful COIN campaign and curb Maoist attempts to disrupt the upcoming elections. Government officials cite recent Maoist threats to retaliate against individuals that participate in elections.
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 06:02 AM
Here's more:
RNA soldier dies while diffusing bomb
Post Report
KATHMANDU, Aug 29: A Royal Nepal Army soldier, who sustained serious head injuries while diffusing a bomb planted by suspected Maoist rebels at Patan early today, succumbed to his injuries later while undergoing treatment at the hospital.
The Defence Ministry has identified him as Sergeant Prem Bahadur Khadka. He was part of a RNA bomb disposal squad that was rushed to Mangalbazaar, Patan, early Thursday.
The bomb was wrapped in an effigy that also had a hand-written message which, the locals said they could not read. It was put below a cement-made electricity pole at Mangalbazaar junction, and was first detected by early morning-goers.
"I could not move ahead after I saw the bomb wrapped in red clothes," Manjo Shakya, a young man of Okbahal, who claims he went for a morning walk and was among the first to detect the explosive said. "Then many neighbours came to know about it. Everyone started to panic and were scared to go near it."
But after 6 a.m. the bomb disposal squad arrived. Then members of the squad told all the neighbours to shut their windows and doors after which preparations were made to diffuse the explosive, according to the locals.
"Suddenly we heard a loud explosion, and later we saw a soldier lying down, the earth painted with blood," said Bishnu Lama, a shopkeeper who had to shut his doors at the time.
The type of the explosive was not known, but security officials suspect that it was a handiwork of Maoist rebels.
At the site, the point the electricity pole was stained with the soldiers blood, and there were splinters of the cemented pole everywhere. The pole continues to stand upright, although its foundation has been partly damaged.
This was the second such bomb put by the underground rebels in public place. On Wednesday morning, a pressure cooker bomb went off at the third floor of the Bishal Bazaar shopping complex at New Road, in the capital city. No one was injured, but most of the window-panes were shattered by the impact. The rebels have called a nation-wide shutdown popularly called Nepal bandh on Monday, September 16, to protest against what they call atrocities perpetrated by the government forces, among other things.
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| DWI |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 06:29 AM
I am with Isolated_Freak on this one, as with all my past postings to support RNA (but not their latest deed).
What RNA did wasn't, by any stretch of imagination, a commendable job. Heck, they should take this material even more seriously and punish the culprit rigorously as a justice to Mr. Rajeev's family and to make a statement.
But what we are missing here, again, is our priority. As I said earlier, RNA is not our enemy, just because few irresponsible personnel took advantage of their power. I just cannot believe that we can remain silent(well, basically) on all the things that Maoists have bestowed upon us and as soon as an Army personnel, Armed Police or general Cop does anytihng wrong, we unite together to go for a called blackout or whatever not.
Sure, Armies have a designated responsibility, unlike the maoists, and thus we should remind them of it. But the feelings I am getting right now is that of an utter disapproval of even an existence of the RNA (may be the word Royal is giving some kind of bad vibes too). What kind of message are we giving to the Maoists by pulling our supports of these braves whose primary function deals with exchange of bullets (with maoists), while we are exchaning mere words here, in the comfort of our home.
In a nutshelll, I think we shouldn't let go of this incident easily and remind the RNA of their responsibility. But, we also should make a clear difference between the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. We should prioratize our opinion.
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| Gokul |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 07:26 AM
Asato ma sadgamaya, Tamaso ma jyotirgamaya, Mrityor ma amritam gamaya.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 08:38 AM
IF,
I allow you that fact about bomb diffusal squad guy's death. As I said, he is then my hero, though having talked to the bomb diffusal guys, a junior of mine in Ascol from Chitwan just trained for Nepal Police, he is an inspector, in Louisiana, and I came to know a lot about those people who trained here in my brief talk to them. Again, I didn't say they didn' t exist. I said they probably don't exist, because that was what I was told by Nepal Police guys, because they become very careful while doing such things.
Now, I don't allow you to chuckle by saying you actually delivered condolences. I saw again in the thread concerned with Rajiv's death, and you are like throwing a stone at the mourners there. Yes, "What happened was really tragic. I am as saddened as you.." was what you wrote HERE, but that doesn't mean you were giving condolences to the victim's family. May be you were saddened because army got whipped for its conduct here.May be you are now saddened because Kamal Thapa said he was saddened, and because Kamal Thapa sound saddened, you thought it makes sense to act like saddened. And what you wrote in that condolence thread was shocking: you were in fact trivializing the whole thread.
And yes, don't refer to these words as GRE vocab. Grow up ,dude, as a graduate student, I am already past that GRE phase. Now, what I use is English vocabulary.
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 08:44 AM
hahaha Biswo,
"I am serious. I think you are creating a scene that probably never existed"
"No one should try to dilute the quest for justice by invoking incidents that never occurred. If you are not capable of sympathizing with others who have sufferred, I can understand that. But throwing a bunch of inane statements to justify your position only undermines it. "
Now, you after having written this, and after you having read the FACTS that says my statement was not coming out of my head, and having seen you never admit your mistakes, instead take them as a challenege to your academics, I expeced the exact SAME reply that you posted.
Namaste
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 08:51 AM
May be you are now saddened because Kamal Thapa said he was saddened, and because Kamal Thapa sound saddened, you thought it makes sense to act like saddened. And what you wrote in that condolence thread was shocking: you were in fact trivializing the whole thread.
Now, this is a baseless comparison-relation that you are trying to draw. I said, I am as saddened and angered by the tragic incident. I mean, that was my way of saying, "hey what happened was not right, and I am as angry and sad as everybody else'. Now my statement and use of words are different than the majority of posters, does not mean I wasn't as saddened as you. So, stop demonizing everyone who doesn't agree with you. That's rather childish on your part, and we expect a graduate student to be more mature.
Anyway Biswo, nice to know that you are past that GRE vocab list.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 10-Nov-03 10:29 AM
IFji,
It is nice to know that a reply can be formulated with "HAHA" so as to punctuate a silly base of one's argument. I don't think I was wrong in judging you. I don't think that I was wrong in saying that your quest was to dilute the quest for justice. I don't think I was wrong in saying that your motive was to throw stone at the mourners.
Now, I had used the word "probably" to mention your claim about the death of bomb squad. I ask you to go back and check it." I think you are creating a scene that probably never existed". And I allowed your claim later. But the death of one bomb diffusion squad jawan doesn't allow one to insert senseless arguments to justify one's eggregious position, especially I am sure the dead jawan's soul won't rest in peace if he knows that his death is used to justify a silly argument that essentially tries to thwart the effort to mourn an innocent soul's death. Yea, you are saddened and angered,what are you sad about in that death? Do you think it was wrong for RNA to shoot at the army or do you think it was ok to shoot, but the death shouldn't have occured? Your position is so vague: Why were not you capable of expressing your condolence at the first place? And how come you were not sad when the army was not sad and was distorting incident, and how come you suddenly became sad when the government's minister expressed his sadness? How come you sound irritated when GP is asking to turn off the light as a token of respect to the death and protest against a wanton killing in the daylight on the 13th day of that unfortunate killing?
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 11-Nov-03 07:09 AM
Biswo,
You are still in the induction phase. To reach to an informed conclusion, you have to move on to deduction and verification phase. Induction doesn't necessarily prove your hypothesis.
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 11-Nov-03 07:09 AM
phase=phases
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 11-Nov-03 02:30 PM
Shanti, Shanti!!
The death of the young man was absolutely reprehensible, and the person responsible for this should be brought to book as soon as possible. Although the loss of a person can be never replaced, the family of the victim deserve a proper consolation and compensation from the government.
As far as one can see from the news report, it was the action of a lone soldier who went out to shoot the driver. I don't think it serves the purpose of justice or truth to blame the whole RNA for the action of one soldier, he acted alone without any order from his superior or his collegues.
There is a very nasty war going on and the army has at times harmed innocent civilians. But it is also a sad reality of war that civilians do become casualties in war...whether it is in Nepal, Iraq, Vietnam, Algeria, or Japan. Despite its heavy-handed approach at times, the RNA must be given credit for punishing two officers and five jawans of various ranks couple of months ago when serious charges were brought against them. They were dishonorably discharged and are serving jail time now.
Can we name any other army that has gone to punish its serving officers? Thousands of civilians and prisioners of war have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan under very murky circumstances, have we heard of any actions against US or British officers? Indian troops regularly commit gross human rights violations in Kashmir and the North East, has anyone brought to book yet? A US soldier today shot dead the US appointed mayor of Siad City in Baghdad in the parking lot of the municipality office. Nobody in blaming the whole US army, or saying that this is George Bush's army. I wish they would bring the GI to book though!
Because RNA is a much smaller army, its actions are under much greater scrutiny by both internal and external observers. The Amnesty, Asia Watch, Human Right Watch and host of NGO/Civil Society walls are constantly breathing down its neck, so it has to be more accountable. Can the Amnesty of Human Right Watch do the same with the US or Indian armes? Never!
So, if we want to make the RNA more professional and accountable, we need to make a issue when they mess up (like Rajiv Shrestha's death), but also learn to commend them when they do a good job. That way they will have a incentive to perform better. But if we lump them together and blame them all the time, they just have no incentive to reform. Whether we like it or not, it is the RNA which is keeping the wolves at bay from Kathmandu and other urban areas.
May his soul rest in peace,
SC
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