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| kancha |
Posted
on 13-Jul-01 10:04 AM
Now you so called "non-pakhes" realize how it feels to deprive education to your loved ones. We pakhes lived without education for years and no-one was even bothered. When school closed for few days in the valley, maoist movement suddenly became everyones problem. If the society fails to look at certain group of people then no wonder they would rebel. Maoism is a result of years of ignorace by the ruling class of people. And to those who think that maoism is out dated and can't exist in Nepal, only the movement by which maoist are trying to overthrow the government is mao's style. But the way Babu Ram and Prachanda are trying to run the country is more like socio-capitalist. We nepalese tend draw conclusion by listening to what we hear in dobatos(no wonder Bhupi Sherchan called it hallai halla ko desh).
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| bhupi |
Posted
on 13-Jul-01 11:01 AM
I should have said "halai hala ko world instead of just desh".
Because that is true everywhere, people tend to believe in it when they here about it day in and day out.
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| Mahesh |
Posted
on 13-Jul-01 11:22 AM
How the hell on earth are we going to convert into socio-capitalism ?? In order to do that we would have really high taxes, and general population is already crying foul on current Taxes. Most socio-capital countries are self sufficient(Scandanavia). Whereas Nepal is heavily dependent on foreign aid. Any form of socialism is not going to work. Basic human nature has always been Survival of the fittest. We can accomodate,but its up to the citizens. Besides who is going to give us aid if the country changes into Maoism???
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| whoever |
Posted
on 13-Jul-01 01:04 PM
Mahesh,
I would not disregard what the Maoist propose that easily. We have to recognize that Nepal is a country of haves and have-nots. And, it is about time that the poor and deprived speak up and demand what they rightfully deserve. Maoists may not be best solution, but hell it is a lot better than what is out there right now. Besides, who else and what else is there in Nepal fighting for what they believe in? I personally would not like to see communism in Nepal but, given the choices, Moaists don't look so bad to me.
And, what would we do without foreign aid? Well, just this: welfare does good to nobody in the long run. We have to learn to be self dependent. We cannot keep coming up with these economic models that depend heavily on foreign aid. So, I would not worry about foreign aid drying up. It may be a bitter pill to swallow in the beginning, but that may exactly be the kind of lesson a welfare dependent country like Nepal needs.
All I am saying is let's not disregard Maoists proposal that easily.
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| Wamitaksar |
Posted
on 13-Jul-01 01:10 PM
Maoists solve this by taking the road which appears to be moral, and saying they would not be accepting foreign aid, because it is imperialistic. It is smart for them to say this, because they would never recive aid any way. Governments rise and fall by economy. We see this in USA as well. Maoists are popular due to poor economy. And if they would form a government they would fail due to poor economy. However, I am afraid it will take many years and much suffering for the people to learn this. People feel so much despair and disillusioned by democracy, they think they have nothing to lose.
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| Mahesh |
Posted
on 13-Jul-01 02:00 PM
The only problem I have is that all them leaders that came into power in the past had all the right intentions in the begining. As soon as they take the seat they seem to suffer from amnesia. I just hope that this is not the case here. It was the same thing before democracy came. Once in power those bastards forgot why they were here in the first place. They were more interested in filling their pockets than people that elected them.
In the current situation, without aid I don't think we can survive. Thanks to the insurgence, we have no revenue. How the hell are we to survive ??? These old farts and their corrupt old ways have go to go. We need to bring in fresh faces....the new generation... the new ways. There are people who are willing to do so but the old farts wouldn't let them.... calling them too westernized or reminding them that this Nepal not America or Europe. Those SOB's wouldn't do it themselves and wouldn't let others do it as well(typical Nepali).
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| Tai Chi |
Posted
on 13-Jul-01 02:40 PM
Who is worried about foreign aid? The paranoid maoists will want to severe all ties even with India. Close the borders for good, they would - well, maybe leave a small back door open for its cronies in Bihar. As much as the Nepali ego despises anything Indian, just imagine what this would do to 23 million Nepalis. How does Baburam plan to meet all of Nepal's needs? Great way to turn Nepal into another Somalia.
And come on, besides Baburam and a couple of others, how many educated and powerful people are there in the Maoist movement? You think a bunch of rag tag, uneducated villagers can lead a nation? These idiots are randomly appointing ministers and prime ministers among themselves already. The Congressi mantris are hopeless, but do you think Ram Bahadur Kami from Rukum would be any better?
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| whoever |
Posted
on 13-Jul-01 02:55 PM
Tai Chi,
I don't know about "Ram Bahadur Kami" (and I sense some stereotyping there already), but look at what the Maoists have done for women? In a country where women are discriminated against so much, Maoists have welcomed them. They have given them a voice, given them hope. I look at this as a sign of what they intend to do for the poor and the underpreviledged. True, many in Kathmandu and other elites elsewhere will suffer, but if that benfits the poor majority. Then, so be it.
I'd much rather have good intentioned, though they may be uneducated people in power than have well educated but ill intentioned ones.
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| Mahesh |
Posted
on 13-Jul-01 03:20 PM
Fighting for power is different from running a govt. If these people come to power, we would be just like Afganisthan. If you look at them they have actually gone back into the timewarp. Knowing that Mao ways don't work(look at China). It would be really stupid of us to have a Mao govt rule the country. As long as we get those corrupt people without balls out of power. I think we should be ok.
As far as women's rights are concerned, we have come a long way. But still have long ways to go. We have a lot of working women today compare to a decade ago. Its a gradual process, I don't think Mao's are doing a huge favor to that particular cause. People are joining them due to unemployment, and cash incentive. Just like the missionaries converting innocent villagers into christianity.
As their intetions are concerned we really can't tell. The country really has had bad luck in this dept. They all come with good intentions but end up rotten while in power.
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| Non_pahke1 |
Posted
on 14-Jul-01 11:28 PM
You must a pathetic loser to think that Nepal does not try to provide basic opportunity to educate its children. You are even more pathetic to believe that the Maoist will be able to provide better standard of living for the poor people of Nepal. As beautiful as it may be, Nepal just does not have the resources and strategic location to be rich. The only things going for us were peace and stability.
In this world you have to struggle to win or you have to be lucky. But that does not include killing people to get what you want. Only animals do that (or people that think like animals). If the Maoist leaders were real leaders they would win the hearts of the people and win democratically. They may be too stupid to notice but the country is being set back 25 years by causing mayhem and chaos in the country. All the education that the Pakhe and non-Pakhe children deserve is going to be served in their next life.
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| Rolpali |
Posted
on 15-Jul-01 12:58 AM
Tai Chi:
I wonder what is the highest level of education (college degree) you have. My knowledge of people involved in Maoism is that the party has pretty darn educated people and even the cream of the crop students in college campus in Nepal for many years. I know few people who gave up government scholarship and went school in Nepal with the hope of knowing the nepalese people better.
So I do not really know to what extent you know about this movement. While the fight and every thing look terrible, I have to agree that they have given hope to lot of poor under-privileged nepalese people, how ever false that hope may be in a long run. In the short run, it looks like they have won pretty good support around the nation.
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