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| Arunima |
Posted
on 21-Dec-03 02:25 AM
Hi All,
I initiated a thread a few days back hoping that there would be some vibrant, thoughtful and intellectual inputs on what you all think of the american politics.There was only one response to it. I admire that person for responding the thread with his views.
Would the thread be read or reacted by only one if there was a picture of a girl? I bet there would have been a flood of criticisms and appreciation about who she is/her phone number, figures and blah blah..........
I am back into this page just to tell you all that you all are intellectually not capable of discussing american politics.I must have expected a lot from you guys! Even though I keep visiting this page from time to time, but at the same time laughing disdainfully over your deep ignorance of the very basic tenet of the society you are living in/and off.
I have seen some pundits write about big stuffs,showing superiority of their 'pundityai' to others, but that was all for a show off business I surmise!
I loathe this kind of pyrrhic loss of political perspectives among you 'regulars'.
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| dautari |
Posted
on 21-Dec-03 02:37 AM
Anamika, I am not an intellectual but just a regular like most of the people here. All of us cannot be like ashu dai or other serious intellectuals.
As far as american politics is concerned I don't know much about american politics. Had it been nepali politics I would have given my two cents opinion.
I apologize for beiing one of the many who have disappointed you.
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| dautari |
Posted
on 21-Dec-03 02:39 AM
One more apology, arunima, for misspelling your screen name.
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 21-Dec-03 02:45 AM
I am surprised you are disappointed, Arunima.
First of all, this is a NEPALI site. There could be many American politics experts here, but that does not mean you can expect what you call a "vibrant, thoughtful and intellectual inputs on what you all think of the american politics". As Dautari said, many people might have been interested in giving their inputs had your topic been on Nepali politics.
You are entitled to make your own conclusions for your satisfaction based on one or two anecdotal evidences of lack of response, but the fact that people did not respond to your thread does NOT mean, in any way, that they are "intellectually not capable of discussing american politics".
And if you "loathe" (I am surprised you used a word as strong as this!) what you call the lack of perspective on the "regulars", that's again your choice. But, personally, I am happy with the way these "regulars" have been contributing to this forum and in general, to the "collective capital" as Ashu would say.
Bhawadiye,
M.P.
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| anamika1 |
Posted
on 21-Dec-03 06:31 AM
Uh hm ...uh hum dautari. I am shocked how u responded to Arunima's thinking it was me. Tyo ta kuhire haru le....yeh the name starts with an A... so they must be all alike bhanya jasto bhayo.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 21-Dec-03 11:08 AM
Arunima,
Here's a primer on Sajhanomics.
Sajha postings are SUPPLY driven. People VOLUNTARILY supply their postings for all to read and comment on.
Sajha postings are NOT demand-led. Nobody here demands to read postings related
to certain topics. You can do so, of course. But then, you'll fall flat on your face, if suppliers of postings choose to ignore you.
One good news is that you can stimulate demand by FIRST consistently doing 'good work' and establishing some sort of reputation here. For instance, Deep's stories are very much in demand, so are Nepe's gazals and so are M.P.'s "Sinking Nepal" news dispatches . . . because most people here know that those stuff tend to be damn
good.
The topics related to women and so forth, BTW -- human nature being what it is --
are always IN DEMAND :-)
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Kalekrishna |
Posted
on 21-Dec-03 10:55 PM
Arunima that was rude of you to collectively single out those who did not respond to your topic of interest as being intellectualy inferior. Yes as Ashu dai had mentioned there is a wave and reader's choice of topic that guides the follow of replies and queeries. It was no suprise that even as a regular visitor to this site, I happen to miss your posting, so must have been the case of other friends.
Not to mention, lack of interest in the politics of a nation acting as police for the world, putsching around gaining pyrrhic victory over sovereign nations and adding to misery of mankind.
KK
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 22-Dec-03 12:10 AM
Arunima,
Welcome to Sajhaland! People indeed seeking here your intellectual input at a greater depth. However, I am not surprised with your concerns. Let me suggest followings:
1. You didn't get enough response due to the following reasons: a)wrong timings: most people are busy with end of americal school calender; b) destability in Sajha web, as people are feared of their postings might be disappear forever due to recent web maintence stuff; c)holidays like Chrismas and New Year, as many people might have already in vacation; d) threads posted on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday typically have low responses; e) wrong topic, as there might not be appropriate scholar to address the problem or they r too busy or not visiting Sajha.
2. You might have got some responses had the topic been like "Americal Politics from a Nepalese Perspective". Views about Americal Politics as itself is too vague, and you will get better information googling, if you really need to know of it. And, tons of texts, and journal articls in any lab....
3. You said "....Would the thread be read or reacted by only one if there was a picture of a girl? I bet there would have been a flood of criticisms and appreciation about who she is/her phone number, figures and blah blah..........". Hmm...Same also holds true if any guy's pic posted, but only difference is there would be many silent interested readers who may not be hooting like guys do.
4. When you said "...you all are intellectually not capable of discussing american politics.I must have expected a lot from you guys!....". So, you already knew the answer. But, i refrain using the phrase "intelectually not capable..." as it might disturb hornet's nest. In Sajha, you can find many people with hidden potential. They might just not participating in active discussion. As i indicated earlier, you might be the best authority to discuss or contribute on the topic.
5. Here you may find all sorts of people. But it would sound better by saying showing "Prativa" instead "Pandityain". Biggy Smally stuffs, Superior Inferior,etc. stuffs can be found everywhere albeit traces of them.
But, my suggestion is Sajha is a wonderful Nepali web site. btw, are you looking for a thesis topic?? Again, thanks...
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 22-Dec-03 12:46 AM
Arunima,
I applaud you initiative to start a discussion on American politics. This topic is important not only because some of us are living and working here (even if in a tandoori pit), also because US politics now shapes and orders the global politics! For example, the way US is engaged with Nepal determine the course of how the Maoist war pans out in Nepal.
In my opinion, there is not much of a political range within US politics; the two party system is not very different from an one-party system in terms of the political choices and options the two parties offer the citizens. The only real debate is on the tax rate and medical insurance and benefits.
When it comes to US policy towards the rest of the world, there is even less diversity of views in the mainstream US. Except for Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn, practically everyone else seems to believe that the US should continue to dominate and administer the rest of the world as if it were a ranch in Texas. It is the Empire, stupid!
My two cents,
SC, the pundit wannabe
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| Robert Frost |
Posted
on 22-Dec-03 08:39 AM
Ashu you wrote,
Sajha postings are NOT demand-led. Nobody here demands to read postings related
to certain topics. You can do so, of course. But then, you'll fall flat on your face, if suppliers of postings choose to ignore you.
Pardon me, I quite did not understand your stand. Do you mean this:
"I have well-established myself in Sajha and now everybody responds to my postings. I can write whatever and I get tons and tons of praises and tons and tons of replies, I can reach 300 and the next thread will start, wow! man this is awesome"
Arunima,
Why write here, when all the readers care more about the writers rather then the quality of postings?
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| ashu |
Posted
on 22-Dec-03 11:02 AM
Robert Frost,
To answer your question: No.
What you wrote is one road I did not take.
Other than that, I continue to be inspired by your namesake who wrote:
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference."
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| EdHunter |
Posted
on 22-Dec-03 10:03 PM
it seems like this arunima character seems he/she is so damned smart. y not try doing something else rather than posting in the sajha webpage? like maybe trying to cool the political system in Nepal or finding a cure to AIDS. u know.. sumthing MORE meaningful than posting in the web and ,sadly, not getting any response. treat it as a sort of rejection if u may. not all gals, or guys will respond 'Yes' if u said 'I love u' to em wil they? And besides, ur post was probably too 'intellectual' for 'small' people like us to take any notice of, let alone reply to it at all. No? Anyway, as u said, we all ore only intereseted in replying to posts feturing pictures ofgirls or guys. look around here.. do u c much, if not any, pics of guys or gals here? think it's time u bought some specs or update ur com man. cos u probably been connected to xxx.com or some other funny webpage everytime u wanna connect to sajha.com.
oh yah. take no note of my post though, it's too unintellectual for u to understand thoroughly cos of ur highly smart and quick thinking brain of urs which goes 'duh???' when u read stupid posts like mine.
No offence intended, but that's me... juz another idiot down the road...!!
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| confused |
Posted
on 23-Dec-03 01:14 AM
"Hi All,
I initiated a thread a few days back hoping that there would be some vibrant, thoughtful and intellectual inputs on what you all think of the american politics.There was only one response to it. I admire that person for responding the thread with his views."
"I am back into this page just to tell you all that you all are intellectually not capable of discussing american politics."
eeh who the fk u think u are??? seriously Geroge BUSH or CLINton....u are no one...no one even knows u ..so dont be writting whatever u feel like...fk u and ur thoughts who cares..what ever u wrote was crap..We dont have to prove u whate we are capable of or not...u r just a arrogant..person upset of not gaining attention....first please watch what u write and then tell me to watch my language....dont fkiiin tell me who i am and i am not..already told u ..dont have to prove u anything...first prove me who u are..to write things..like this...
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| bhunte |
Posted
on 23-Dec-03 02:36 PM
Confused, what crime Arunima has committed to deserve f* words?? healthy criticisms are always welcome here. Hope, you will retract those words against whoever Arunima is.....just a small suggestion
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| confused |
Posted
on 24-Dec-03 12:54 AM
BHUNTE, i dont know abt you ..but that didnt seem like a healthy critisim to me..it more likely seemed like rude and trying to say "regulars are idiots" critisim..
well if u say so ..i would like to to say sorry to ARUNIMA..but ya i also have some very healthy critisim against her..
Aronima you are very rude and very disrespectful person..u dont know how to appreciate stuff but you like gaining attention..Aronima..u should learn "What to say" and "what to not" in public places nor people like me will shove a 10 feet rod up your rear end...there was many other ways you could have said the stuff you did..but no being a, person with no sense..u say whatever you want..
OHH well..if u are thinking what makes me better than you...listen to this "I AM NOT" ..i am not better than...you..but i dont call people " intellectually not capable " of anything....let me just give you one single suggestion that might help you "LIVE AND LET LIVE" dont go around calling people idiots....
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| confused |
Posted
on 24-Dec-03 12:58 AM
"well if u say so ..i would like to to say sorry to ARUNIMA..but ya i also have some very healthy critisim against her.. "
it sud have been " him/her" instead of "Critsim against her"..HUGEE SORRY FOR THE TYPOOO
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| Bob Marley |
Posted
on 24-Dec-03 07:01 AM
Arunima Ji..
It was me who responded to your other thread. Thanks for your word and I think American politics is as important to our lives, esp if we're in the US, as Nepali politics.
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| Arunima |
Posted
on 24-Dec-03 05:40 PM
Thanks Bobby and all you who have given their responses to my thread.
Wasn't I right to state the hidden fact that there were some 'talent' people among us who are very good at 'healthy criticism'? As I had put up in the thread that I will be visiting this webpage....." ,doesn't it validate my proposition that you guys, not everyone included,are unable to carry on the kind of discussion according to the code of civility? As I went through this page, there are some Mahatmas ( So called),they actually bothered to reply, pointed towards me being an ignorant but didn't want to accept the very lack of abysmal depth of ignorance in themselves and acted like a child.
My intention, as u read again what I had written, is in no way to intimidate you fellow nepalese. But the great 'heads' have failed miserably to understand the importance in our lives how american politics affects us all especially when we live in this country. I asked people to focus their thoughts and discussion towards Bush Vs. the running democrats, that must have been the theme of the thread, not what I wrote. The crux of the debate is more important than who wrote it. I knew it coming at me,and the greatest of you have proved me right in my conviction that , some of u 'intellectuals' are easily intimidated, intimidation is a sibling of ignorance.
....anshu ji...is the anger demand -led or supply- led thing?
I am sure this particular thread may demand a removal from some, this would even prove my point...
Merry Christmas to you all, and Happy New Year 2004.
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 24-Dec-03 06:39 PM
Arunima,
It appears to me you are interested in immigration policies associated to new elected president, as you were much concerned by saying "....the great 'heads' have failed miserably to understand the importance in our lives how american politics affects us all especially when we live in this country...". I am dumbest of all dumbs when it comes to politics, but here are my two cents. As you all might have seen home securitiy has been a major issue in the recent past years. That has made new entrants from non-muslim countries harder as well. Unless you are in some illegal status in this country, the new president and his new policies should not affect you at all. If you feel discriminated in job by race, color, nationality, gender, etc., you can sue with a big compensation package. Some new foreign policies may emerge along with the new president, but that too won't affect your day-to-day bread and butter. To my understanding, majority of Americans are disinterested in politics. Then why should we be? Presidential elections have been primarily focused on employment creation, health care and tax policies, but not tiny winy stuffs that you or me face on day to day lives. Some other Mahatmas may better able to explain things you wanted to know.
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| LadyBug |
Posted
on 24-Dec-03 07:00 PM
hehehe !! namaste sabailai.
ra merry k k ho k ke pani ;-)
oho Bhunte dai. dherai pachhi dekhe, darshan hai.
i am jus' laughing at this thread and am still feeling compelled to reply i dont know why.
but feels like the gal who happened to start this thread has recently got rejected by something or someone....and is trying to challenge - well - nothing. her accusation is aimed at nothing because it was not aimed at anything (as ashu dai said no one is compelled to write to anyone's thread without interest) and hey posting pic of pretty girls is not a good thing to do but again like ashu dai said, guys feel compelled to do that by "nature" re...heeheh, btw i am a female (married one) and pls do NOT, said doNOT question anyones intellectual IQ here. esp Ashu dai. he is respected alright! Aru whatever - - build a name for yourself before bashing others. in goodwill (for females all around)~ oohi Lady.
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 24-Dec-03 07:28 PM
Lady baini, ho ta ni dherai din pachhi bhet bhayo feri. Khoi yeha bata kattai oodi jau bhane pwankh chhaina, goodi jaun bhane pangra chhaina, and poudi jaun bhane ma machha hoina. tesaile yetai sajha ko maya jal ma rumallirahechhu..Ani yespali ko Chrismas gift fone card pathai diun bhanne sochdai thiye baini sanga kurakani garna lai. thyakkai timi sanga bhet bhayo...eheh. Yeso, bela bakhat ma samjhidai garnu hai...
Sorry for veering the topic ....
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| LadyBug |
Posted
on 26-Dec-03 12:11 PM
Bhunte dai, you know the funny thing is -- i didnt even realize when i started calling you dai here, hope you didn't mind hai......my psychic power (if i have any) is telling me that i probably could agewise, pls correct me if i am wrong (with your intuition). Nice to know that you were at least "thinking" of getting me a phonecard...*harey* that would have been *So* nice. How come you missed the deadline ni ? now the gift giving season is over for a while ni haina......well no worry i have enough for now .....samjhinu bhayekoma dherai khusi lagyo at least! it's the thoughts that counts hainata. Ani how was your holidays? hope u had some good things to celebrate about......like i did. Wish you a happy new year! :) aru pacchi!
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| DP |
Posted
on 26-Dec-03 02:17 PM
Arunima:
Leaving all things aside, getting pissed off for not receiving enough responses was REALLY childish.Do you kno you are one of those "self-appointed, volunteer(unpaid) international political analysts".
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 26-Dec-03 04:23 PM
Lady baini, bhanna ta sabai le bhunte lai bhai nai bhanchhan kyare. tara ahile mero promotion bhaya jasto chha. Afu haru hal kaha chha bhanne kura tha napayera po tyme ma gift pathauna nasakeko ni. dherai reliable Phonecard payechhau, khusi lagyo. aba teej wa tihar ma kehi naya kura pathai dimla ...
Happy New Year for you as well. I had a wonderful and remarkably memorable holiday this time....:)
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| dautari |
Posted
on 26-Dec-03 04:23 PM
Why do many of the postings in Sajha ultimately end up being a mud-slinging competitions between two or more individuals? I don't know why one individual sees another's posting as "nihu-khojing" (to quote Bhunte)? And why are some people so jealous of / irritated by Ashu dai? Why can't we just advocate and practise "shantipurna saha-astitwa"?
Mero limited "buddhi" le bujhna nasakeko kura maile prashnako roopma yaha tersyayeko matra hoon. Malai lagchha yee prashna haru ka kunai thos jawaaf chhainan. Tara pani mann ma na'atayera yaha lekhne dhristata garekoma maaphi chahanchhu.
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| LadyBug |
Posted
on 27-Dec-03 09:13 AM
Bhuntedai,
I feel like I am one of the immature, nai've, childish one here among all you intellectuals (esp the ones that like to proclaim themselves so), and it'd be interesting to think of me as an "older" and call everyone bhai baini....nah i think i am too young and sanotino for that. so i opted for dai.with respect actually. so after calling that, i'd definitely look forward to tihar or teej even before that, for a maitighar gift hai....:-)
dautari, i am impressed by your nepali use yaha....hajur bhabya nepali sahitya class liyibaksheko jasto chha ni.....hahaah. "saha-astitwa" -- that's a really neat word!
lol,
LB
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| ashu |
Posted
on 27-Dec-03 11:30 AM
Ladybug wrote:
"and pls do NOT, said doNOT question anyones intellectual IQ here. esp Ashu dai. he is respected alright!"
ON THE CONTRARY, I would say that please feel free to challenge my thoughts and ideas anytime anywhere. I truly do NOT mind, nor do I hold grudges against people
who question me with better evidence and superior ideas. In fact, I would welcome counter-arguments and conter-points -- and that's because the give-and-take of
such conversations is so much more enjoyable.
The only way to learn more is to EXPOSE one's ideas/thoughts so that one's peers
can analyse, comment on, criticize and evaluate them on their own merits.
If everyone agreed with me everyday, I would find that a boring day indeed.
oohi
"everybody should be questioned and challenged in terms of ideas -- for the sake of the truth"
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 27-Dec-03 11:47 PM
LadyBug bahini,
Indeed I would characterize the qualities in you as "lataramma phaleka brikchhe ka hanga sadhai nihurinchha". You are not alone who perceive like immature, young, naive and childish. But, personalities are generally evaluated by others. I'm very glad in finding shil sobhav ki saral ra buddimani bahini like you. I heartly take it as God's gift. Bahini ko lagi season ra chadbad anusar ko maitighar gifts ko kunai fikkar nagarnu. Palpali Dhaka ko nyano pachheura, Tihar ma Japani chiffon ko sari, maitighar ma call garna phonecard,etc. ani list goes on...herdai janu hai. baru astii nai pathayeko patra ko jabaf ayena ni. baini katai ghumna gako thiyo ki ke ho. sancho bisancho ke thiyo bhanera lekhya thiye...he he
oohi daji,
bhunte
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| KaleKrishna |
Posted
on 28-Dec-03 12:31 AM
Dai ra bahini ko maya dekhera mero pane akha bata asu jharna jharna thaleko, bal garera roke. Ane Bhunte jasto daju paunu sabai bahini ko sapana banos.
Ashu was honest and bold to express the need for crtics to sharpen oneself, as a sword gets sharper by rubbing on the granite not the pulp. But as the thread progressed those who had responded had only one request "attack the ideas and views not the person".
Grief for the end of another year, which is soon comming to the end, with every passing year, time is running out for everyone of us.
KK
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| LadyBug |
Posted
on 29-Dec-03 06:43 PM
Bhunte dai,
yaha jasto dai payera mata makha pareko chhu. KK is right....muri muri dhanyabaad!
Which patra....maile payeko chaina ta....email ma? Ani AShu dai tapai malai hasaying...
you are the sterotypical intellectual hehehe....no offense. in jest.
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| Bhunte |
Posted
on 29-Dec-03 09:32 PM
LadyBug bahini,
Yes, that was sometime ago. Check the mail box (s) including Junk folder, as I am sending one now...
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