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| alnepali | Posted
on 22-Dec-03 10:09 AM
Do you see something wrong with this picture? source: Picture Courtesy: www.kantipuronline.com Armyman about to kick an arrested student aligned with seven student unions, during a protest program at Amrit Science College near Thamel in Katmandu Monday. The students were protesting against the arrest of their leaders on charges of sedition. (Photo Courtsey: Narendra Shrestha) 
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| DeepBlue | Posted
on 22-Dec-03 10:51 AM
There is nothing wrong with the picture.It is all normal.I would be really surprised if the armyman was not about to kick the student. |
| alnepali | Posted
on 22-Dec-03 11:51 AM
DeepBlue: I wonder if your opinion would still be the same if YOU were under those boots only for the reason of taking part in a legitimate protest. |
| VincentBodega | Posted
on 22-Dec-03 12:15 PM
Do you seen anything right with this picture then? Not trying to support armymen kicking students, but if students take the uniform of rebels, do you still consider them students? The things that are being burnt are more that just chairs and tables. They represent the future of thousands of students that couldve used them, and also represent the past of thousands more that used them to attain that elite status. As a taxpayer of in Nepal, I paid for those tables and chair.Who the heck were these so called student politicians to burn MY property? They sure didnt ask me. I want army to protect my property, even if comes to kicking a few. Again I am not telling the students not to do what they do, but every action bears consequences. Thats all and thats my share on this topic. picture taken from -http://www.nepalnews.com 
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| alnepali | Posted
on 22-Dec-03 12:45 PM
VincentBodega: I don't see anything RIGHT about Political Partys using Government owned (People Taxed) Property at their own discretion, either. Accountability has to be taken into consideration. My concern is how our Jurisdiction system fails to make an arrest (process accountability) without questioning human rights? |
| VincentBodega | Posted
on 22-Dec-03 12:59 PM
"I don't see anything RIGHT about Political Partys using Government owned (People Taxed) Property at their own discretion, either. Accountability has to be taken into consideration." I agree, if the armymen goes and kicks the politicians who misuse the gov. vehicles, I will be applauding. And about Human rights? how do you incorporate human rights when people burn things out in the street that dont belong to them. Are they even humans? There are other means to get what they are looking for. Nepal Bar Association is not that far from where they burnt the campus properties. Why dont they go there? That would be more human wont it now? I dont go and spit on the politicians for misusing gov. property, and yell Human rights if I get kicked on my face as a consequence of that, do I now? |
| alnepali | Posted
on 22-Dec-03 01:15 PM
Human Rights issue is not a "scape goat". It is rather a civic action. Holding responsible people accountable by FINING them under arrest could resolve the issue. I am sure we can appropriate the punishment against the crime commited. |
| DeepBlue | Posted
on 22-Dec-03 02:28 PM
Alnepali: I didn't mean to say it was "right". What I meant to say was "this kind of behavior is very much expected from our security force(what else can you expect from the force that doesn't have respect for its citizen?).My opinion would still be the same,if I were standing in place of that boy.I would still expect that boot(trust me, I have been in that position). You took me all wrong.I was supporting your view, but in a satirical way.However, sorry for the misunderstanding. DeepBlue. |
| yOuNgBlOoDz | Posted
on 22-Dec-03 02:51 PM
ALL i have known is NOTHING IS RIGHT IN NEPAL>> POLITICS POLITICIANS CITIZENS POLICE MAOISTS none of them r right for nepal------------------ sum say KING ain't right for nepal either my personnal opinion ------------------------- he has got the guts... HE IS THE ONLY RIGHT THATS HAPPENING IN NEPAL... IF HE GETS FULL SUPPORT OF NEPALESE CITIZENS >>>>M SURE >>> HE WILL WITHOUT A SHADOW OF DOUBT BE SUCCESSFULL TO WIPE MAOISTS AND CURROUPTED POLITICIANS FROM THE FACE OF NEPAL-- yb |
| alnepali | Posted
on 22-Dec-03 03:58 PM
DeepBlue: Sorry I missed you satire. I was benched in a serious note :O) yOuNgBlOoDz: Biswo @ this thread http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/openThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=13516 quoted: "Why not he simply contests for election, allowing constitutional assembly, if he has such a faith on his popularity?" I believe THAT would be GUTSY and not waiting till ALL falls apart. |
| yOuNgBlOoDz | Posted
on 22-Dec-03 07:59 PM
I know you guys are intellectual about the politics and perhaps smarter them i m.. but i ain't dumb either.. first look at them people of nepal... they doesn't know who represent what.. they don't care how well the person can do for their area or for the nation.. all they know is.. they belong to certain political party and no matter who is the candidate. the vote goes to him/her.. either s/he be a well educated or sum dumb fu(k frm the corner.. who doesn't even know if the KA is the first alphabet in nepali.. I belong to certain political party n my responsibility is to vote em no matter what... that kinda mentality our nepalese citizens have.. the day they get out of this illusion .. we need no government.. need no king.. coz them people can govern themselves.. and as long as that won't happen.. we need a dictatorship.. who would whop their arse to show em right track..... lemme go back to the period of mahendra.. though his PANCHYATA government was only for 30 yrs.. that govt. gave nepal .. the schools, hospitals, roads and many more thing.. history is the evidence of it.. what has our poilitical leaders has done.. all they know is how to grab money under the table.. IF THERE IS NO KING , THEN THERE IS NO NEPAL IN THE FACE OF GLOBAL MAP.. the fair of king will prevent all the curroption.. like aksthiar.. i believe. i have learned all my life.. don't just look at the wrongdoings of person.. but look at their bright side tooo.. n thats what i am doing.. if ya'll don't agree ain't my problem.. meh running my mouth here won't change nething... its just how i believe it is.. YB |
| Biswo | Posted
on 22-Dec-03 09:56 PM
What do I see here? I see that a frightened, and already subdued young student, probably in his teenage, being kicked by a rifle wielding jawaan. The student is frail, small, while all other jawaans are strong and can control him easily. The driver of the Isuzu truck seems to be unbothered and focussing on his steering, while his companion watches the kick approvingly. The man who is on the top of the truck is also watching approvingly while his companion delivers the kick.The jawaan on his feet on the road is acting like a brace, making sure that the student couldn't eschew the kick. Do I see something wrong? Principally, it is wrong to use army jawaan to subdue unarmed students in a state where police is supposed to do these jobs. Even then, it is wrong to kick a teenager , most likely in his mouth, such ferociously because the kid is already under the control of these strong army jawaans. Finally, is that rifle MI-16? How about sending this photo to newspapers like New York Times, Chicago Tribune, Baltimore Sun, LA Times, Houston Chronicle? Let Americans see how their assistant is being used in Nepal? As for use of Mi16, an old issue of Nepali Times once said that "One M-16 costs $900: enough to supply all medicine and maintain a VDC dispensary for one year, or immunise 900 children against deadly diseases." |
| handle_Neo | Posted
on 22-Dec-03 11:05 PM
Biswo, I have been reading your postings for sometime now. I have read enough of your leftist views about social, political and everything that comes in your way. And ofcourse, I also read your above article. My advice to you(if I may): stop bashing the right. The army man was just doing his job. Have you ever heard of the saying, "lata ko bhut bata la mandai na." You mean the army man should have sat down with the student (featured in the pic) and tried to convince him what he was doing was wrong? Explain to him (student) that burning school furnitures that not only belonged to him but a whole generation after him was wrong? You mean sit down with the maoist and try to explain to them that Maoism is DEAD (it may still be alive in history books) and in the mean time dodge their bullets? I believe that people like you (who hold your views) mismangaed, misused Nepal for last 12 years. They are soley responsible for the current state of Nepal. And it is about time that they SHUT UP!!!!!!! before they begin to sound irrelavent. Cheers! |
| Biswo | Posted
on 22-Dec-03 11:42 PM
leftist view ? I have hard time believing you actually read my postings.I am not a leftist. And, I didn't expect the army men to sit down and persuade him. He could arrest him if he wanted to. That's it. You don't physically abuse some kid in civilizations. I was a student in Amrit Campus. I don't approve taalaabandi, nor do I approve the destructions. But see the large cause, students have right to protest against the arrest of their leaders. What they were saying is , "look you arrested our leaders for chanting against Gyanendra, now do the same to us because we are chanting against Gyanendra again!" That's a big courage. For me, giving throne and palace and power to Gyanendra in the aftermath of royal massacre was a big mistake. A friend of mine in Missouri put it in a better way when I was talking to him about king : "kukurlaai maasu dinu ra Gyanendralaai sattaa dinu ustai ho." Will be very difficult to get back it unscathed. |
| KaleKrishna | Posted
on 23-Dec-03 12:51 AM
It is surprising that such clear picture of misuse of power is being debated for its pros and cons. Well, we may all be right in part of what we are saying, probably the picture itself is not speaking the whole situation pre and post the still moment. However, in a civilized society (at least upto now), there is no right for someone to meet out justice in a brute and barbarian way, and who ever is now appreciating the high handedness should be prepared to face more of it, if not restrained on time. Two wrongs does not make it right either, so if guilty there are agencies paid to meet out justice. Irony of the nation, everyone wants to be everybody rather than concentrating on becoming perfect somebody. KK |
| confused | Posted
on 23-Dec-03 01:06 AM
we NEPALIII.... WE KILL EACH OTHER BECAUSE HRITHIK ROSHAN SAID SOMETHING ABOUT US.. WE BURN TABLE AND CHAIR BECAUSE WE ARE IN A PROTEST( and we call our selves students) wE BOMB CINEMA HALLS BECAUSE OF POLITICAL REASONS we JUST WANT TO HAVE A PEACE FUL "BARTA" BUT NEVER DO.. eVERY onE WANTS POWER AND MONEY..BUT NO ONE WANTS TO CARE ABOUT THE COUNTRY.. WE SIT BACK COMMENT WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG.(chiaa LIERA EK CUP..).BUT NEVER GO UP DO ANYTHING... THAT IS US...NEPALI ..BIRR GORKHALI.... like YOUNG BLODZZ SIAD NOTHING IS RIGHT IN NEPAL..BUT i DONT THINK THERE SHOULD BE A KING...HE SHOULD LEAVE HIS POSSITION..AND HAVE An ELECTION.... |
| Bob Marley | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 07:03 AM
Hey Everbody... Vincent is Royal Family's CHAMCHA. Careful. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 08:13 AM
That's not a M16 A2 rifle. Its an old SLR. M16 A2s, for the most part have a single color, mostly black and about 40'' long. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 08:39 AM
And, I didn't expect the army men to sit down and persuade him. He could arrest him if he wanted to. That's it. You don't physically abuse some kid in civilizations. Read about how the KIDS were beaten up during the WTO protests in Seattle in the United States of America- one of the most civilized nations of the world! |
| Biswo | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 12:18 PM
>Read about how the KIDS were > beaten up during the WTO protests > in Seattle in the United States of > America- one of the most civilized >nations of the world! IF, In the aftermath of that protest, Seattle police chief Norm Stamper resigned. An enquiry followed. Trade talks broke down in response. How about that much respect to popular will in Nepal? Think before you make analogies. Al-Sahafism of all kinds can protect Shahs and Saddams only so far, as we saw in the events of last year. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 12:25 PM
Analogies: The basic thing, not the aftermath: in both stances, in Seattle and in Kathmnadu students protested and were beaten. This is the analogy. We are not talking about the aftermath. We are talking about the actual incident. So think before you write anything. Using your god given brain to think isn't that a bad idea, at least when you are arguing. 2nd: Comparing people whom you don't like to this and that and their principle to this and that to prove that what YOU think is the best, is quite a Hitlerian trend, which you and comrade in arms here seem to be following. Good luck! |
| Biswo | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 12:46 PM
IF, It seems like you are whining rather than arguing. As for using my god given brain, I don't think I need to persuade you on that. Whole world knows, and will know who is using their god given brain and who is using whatever he has in dissemination of falsehoods and ingratiations.I am talking about incidents, not aftermath? As if incidences don't have consequences. If you own up incident, you better have courage to own up the consequences too. And what you know about Hitler? Your admiration of both Chinese Communists and Gyanendraism should make your more qualified to idolize Hitler. How about a pilgrimmage to some of the concentration camps? |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 12:58 PM
Biswo, The problem with you is you never understand that you also are a human being and you too commit mistakes at times. We are discussing incidents here, not the aftremaths. So your view seems to come from, I don't know... About your other suggestion: there you go again with your Hitlerism. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 01:03 PM
This might help our extremely intelligent biswo ji with a gifted brain understand what we are discussing: There is a blast in a place called A. The substance used is RDX. A few people died. There was a blast in a place called B last year. The same explosive was used and a few people died then. This is what we are discussing. We are not discussing how A and B dealt with the explosions later on or their reconstruction process. |
| Biswo | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 01:09 PM
Well, anyway IF, what do you think about the release of 3 students? Your masters were damn afraid of the agitation, huh? I hurriedly followed the news in Kantipur, and found that no chairs etc were burn in my alma mater, Amrit Campus. The only incident of burning chairs etc [btw, I don't approve burning anything that consumes my tax. I also don't approve giving a single penny to this useless king and his drunkard wayward son too.] occured in Pradarshani Road(RR Campus's, and I don't know why they don't change the name of that campus. Even Mao's statues were removed from a lot of Chinese universities, though there are still some .) And it seems now the government itself is acknowledging that as long as Student unions don't have a declared policy against constitutional monarchy, they should be able to chant against the monarchy with impunity, i.e. chanting against the "hatyaaraa of Prawin Gurung" and "Nirankush Raja" is not unconstitutional. Why don't you go to Supreme Court and register a case against this government for constituting such a "precedence"? Your conscience must have been hurt, I presume. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 01:18 PM
Biswo, Your problem is you reach to conclusions too early. In our last communication, I told you to go through induction, deduction and verification phases to test your hypothesis. Then we will have a meaningful discussion, OK? Otherwise, you will be just writing your nonsensical lines and I'll be replying to those, and that's no fun for me. I neither have time nor intention to reply to all your nonsensical lines, which emerge from your deep rooted hatred which is neither justified nor acceptable. Now go on with your blabblings.. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 01:49 PM
Interesting, interesting, if somewhat fiery! But what better way to warm up these dreary winter days!! I find it so fascinating to observe the "What is White gotta be right" attitude among some of our black and brown brethren. For them, the White Angel can do no wrong, he is the saviour of our souls and bodies; he is the embodiment of justice and fairness; he is the righteous and the rule. So our enslaved minds must judge everthing in reference to the White norm, any difference there is a sign of degeneration. We are so brainwashed into believing that Black is bad that we are incapable of seeing the mess the White often maketh. For example, the above picture of a Nepali soldier was contrasted unfavorably with the civilization and civilty of the US. IF jyu raised the example of Seattle beatings. But what do we say to the dozens of shootings of blacks by the US cops across US cities? There were a couple in Cincinati alone? Do these cops ever do jail time? Never. Moreover, what do we say to the illegal dententions of hundreds of people in the past years without trial, evidence, or rule of law...people just picked up from their homes and put in incarceration? What about the hundreds kept in isolation, without charges or recourse to law in Guantanamo bay? How does that compare with the picture of a raised foot of a Nepali soldier? And what about the thousands crammed into jails in Iraq and Afghanistan and British prisions in England...without rights, charges? Or how about the most sophisticated weapons and bombs being dropped into civilian homes in Baghdad, Afghanistan, or Palestinian refugee camps? How many times have we seen dead children explained away in the cold logic of the "collateral damage." How do we compare these acts with the outrage of the Nepali armyman's raised leg? In my opinion, there is no righteous Angel to which you can compare the soldier's act. So, when we make these facile comparisions, let us be more critical, more realistic. The dichotomy between saints and sinners is not as easy as a B/W picture...the world is too complex, too blurred...simplistic, rhetorical chest-thumping never works. As to the picture itself, I am against the physical beatings, intimidations, assaults of any kind. So I censure the soldier for trying to kick the student. At the same time, I also object to the wanton destruction of property, vandalizaton of college campus, and forceful closures of educational institutions by students. What purpose does burning down a vehicle sever for a student? Violence only begets violence. The security forces must become more restrained in the use of force, and the students must eschew violence. How else would the US security forces have reacted here in the US if a mob of students had gone around the city burning cars, smashing windows, destroying college property, and pelting the cops with rocks? Let us just imagine for a second. SC |
| Biswo | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 02:04 PM
IF, >Your problem is you reach to conclusions too early. Your problem is you reach to conclusions even without reading properly any incident that happened. You have made yourself incapable of thinking. > In our last communication, I told you > to go through induction, deduction and > verification phases to test your hypothesis. IF, what are you talking about? Do you actually know what this means? I remember you as a person who talk about a book without even actually reading the book. I think you are doing same here. If you said something to me in the last communication, I didn't care, because frankly, there were rarely any instances where you said anything worthy. Intelligence is not flaunted and lectured the way you do. Anyway, show me where you have implemented your statement. I am free to test your "three phases" and I hope to have some example given by the proposer. Graduate students in US universities are taught one major thing: be steeped in the field you are going to major in. Learn everything that everybody did in the field before you set your eyes on that field. But do your thing on your own way. If you want to be heretic, you first need to learn what others have actually done. A graduate student is not asked to follow blindly. IF, when you try to preach me on theoretical matter, be sure that you have some examples to present, something that you created. Otherwise, you need to provide me the link of who first presented such hypothesis. Now,you are a graduate student. It is time you actually create something substantial rather than ingratiate yourself in the service of the kings and dictators of the world. As it happens, dictators of the world used to die in guillotine, in basement, in noose. Seems like time has changed, they are arrested in spider hole, infested with lice. It will be tough time persuading people dictators are actually good. >Then we will have a meaningful discussion, OK? > Otherwise, you will be just writing your > nonsensical lines and I'll be replying to > those, and that's no fun for me. I don't care.I don't think you are capable of any meaningful discussion anyway. And frankly, it is you who jumped to discuss with me in this thread too. Drop by as long as you think you have some venom to spit to those who follow the codes of civilized world. Run away when you think you are out of venom.A democrat wishes goodluck to the fading luck of an anachronistic aberrant. As for the socalled Shuvachintak's question of what would US police do if ... were done here in USA, let me start first what would American populace have done if Paras like murder had happened in USA, and Gyanendra like usurpation had happened here. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 03:03 PM
Come on Bisow jyu, cool down, take a deep breath!! For God's sake, this the time of the year when you are expected to show some generosity of spirit! Let us not turn into Old Scrooge during this special holiday season, shall we? And what was that swipe about "So called Suva Chintak"? Man, what have I done to deserve this degree of animosity and hostility from you? I am really scared of you now, really, especially with your gleeful talk of the gillotine and the gallows. I hope you don't plan to put me into one of those when you get your glorious republic of Nepal. I had no idea some of us could be so vindicative and unforgiving. However, since you have posed a counter question without bothering to answer my question in the first place, I will try to satisfy your curiosity to the best of my ability. However, I am not a learned graduate student like you, so you will have to make allowance for the ignorance of an old tandoori hand. You ask :"What would the American populace have done if Paras like murder had happened in USA." Ans: First of all, it was not an "murder" in the legal sense, accidental killing is more accurate. So let us be careful with the use of superlatives...it ought to be the first thing any self-respecting school teaches its graduates. Now, if he was an average Joe, he might have gotton a sentencing for involuntary manslaughter at the worst for traffic accident But if he was a rich guy like OJ Simpson, he would have hired the best legal team in the country and walked away free. But if you want a famous example of celebrity killing and getting away with it in the US: just do a quick google search on Senator Kennedy. Big people everywhere need a break every now and then, not only in bad Nepal but even in this swargapuri of yours. Not too long ago the "American populace" used to pounce on dark skinned people like you and me and string them up from trees, to produce the strange fruit. That is what the "American populace" can do. "What would the American populace have done if Gyanendra like usurpation had happened here?" Ans: Again, legally speaking, you are misinterpreting the King's October 4 move. To count as usurpation, he would have had to do something that was not given to him by the constitution. He exercised his constitutional powers according to Article 127...a provision that allows the King to act in times of extraordinary crisis. You could say that there was no situation for the 127 to be applied, but others could say the Maoist war had created such a situation. So in short, this is not usurpation, but a constitutional exercise of authority which some people don't agree to. But to say that is unsconstitutional is stretching the truth a little to far. By the way, don't you think what Bush Maharaj did was an American version of usurpation in 2002? Where in the world would you have the president handpicked by the Supreme Court that your father appointed? So Dear Bisow jyu, I am really amazed by the naive, nay, innocent faith and trust you have on the absolute goodness of America...a country that can not do any bad thing. I don't see this kind of patriotic fervor even in some of the reddest of the red necks. If you keep it up you they might nominate you for the Silver Heart next year. By the way, if you have time, do answer my question. Better still, try to replicate a Nepali student demonstration in your campus with burnings, vandalism, forced closure of the campus, and vulguar/indecent slogans against the head of state and his family. After that if you say you were treated better than students back in Nepal I will willingly convert to your brand of republicanism. Merry Christmas, SC |
| Biswo | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 04:03 PM
SC, Having seen numerous times how you ducked questions and ran away, my initial reaction is it is futile for me to go into deep conversation with you. I know your ossified version of evilness of democracy. But let me try to address briefly what you are asking now as you seem to be in a mood of relatively civil discourse finally. Guess graduate study in USA at least taught something other than publicly and childishly posting where you are going to attend what! Since your real name is not Shuva Chintak, I said so called Shuva Chintak. Because I don't think you are shuva chintak of those who endorse and embrace democratic system of governances. From the veil of anonymity, you swipe at people with fortitude to assail dictators at home at your convenience often with the same Mahendra-Following-Panche-like mentality. So, I disagree with your implication of your "virtual" character by using that "virtual" name. Now about Paras'killing and Gyanendra usurpation, your repetitive argument is something that most of the Nepalese definitely disagree with. Paras was a man with penchant to do criminal stuff, something like his ancestor Surendra Shah, and when he killed Prawin Gurung, it was due to a recidivism to criminal activities. If it had been accidental, he would have shown repentance, but he didn't show any. He went back and beat the police inspector who followed him. He threatened him not to disclose the accident to outsiders. His father created a bogus person to assume responsibilities. Some accounts said it was not even accidental killing, since the singer had had a brawl in the restaurant with the prince before the accident. Had a police investigation been allowed, a lot of other things would have been unearthed. In America, I don't think Kennedy cousin got away with his crime, he is convicted if I remember it correctly. Congressman Janklow of North Dakota was just convicted for similar reckless driving. Here, we have legal system that most of the Americans are happy with. Don't even compare America with our Kings-ruled-and-ruined country. Ditto is comparison between Gyanendra's usurpation and Bush's. And ok, Bush usurped, but Americans have plenty of chance to get rid of him next November, how about Gyanendra? Does he have courage to face any election? Now to give you an answer about student violence, there was no car burning in front of Amrit Campus. No furniture burning either as far as I understand. Correct me if I am wrong in this. The major question was what was wrong in the picture? And Shuva Chintak, When Dick Cheney came to Rice University last November, there were really harsh protests, there were no slogans students didn't chant, but I didn't see any 'flying kick' from an army officer in the mouth of an already subdued teenager boy. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 04:39 PM
So we are even going after the names, are we? Man, you are looking awfully pitiful here as you begin to go lower and lower to expose not your wisdom and understanding but your pituful ego! How is your own name Bisow more justified on you, a person who is the most narrow minded bigot if there ever was one? Do you seriously think you deserve this better than I deserve SC? Why can't you ever just discuss and engage with the ideas people bring to the table rather than attacking the name or the person behind the ideas? Because you can't deal with the ideas and the evidence? You look so pathetic when you go into these childish name calling tantrums. Grow up and learn to paly like a man for God's sake. Mr. pompous "who endorse and embrace democratic system of governances", what is democracy? You have any idea? What defines democracy for you? Could you care to enlighten us dumb and childish people? The problem with democracy is precisely because it is endorsed and embraced by Govinde, Girije, Khume, characters like you. You of all people, assailing dictatorship?! My foot! You, who pay obesience to Prachanda and Baburam, standing up to dictatorship? What a joke. You, who is willing to lick Whiteman's boot as it tramples the world, standing up to dictatorship for democracy? Please, spare us that ridiculous claim. At best, you can aspire to be Uncle Tom!! Rice University, holy cow! Were the students burning the campus? Were they throwing rocks at the motorcade? Pelting the cops? I am sure you were at the head of those revolutionary students smashing the cars and school furniture and yet the US police let you do all that as your democratic right to destroy, right? I was not talking about Kenney cousin, I was talking about Senator Ted Kennedy! He caused the death of a woman many years ago, but he got away because he is Kennedy! That must be very hard for an imperialistic/capitalistic zealot like you, but you can't pick and choose, it comes with the whole package. But I expect you to deny that ever happened. As such a loyal subject of the US empire, how do rationalize the systematic extermination of the natives or the slavery of the black people? How does your mantra of US civilization and democracy match up? How does that compare with what Mahendra and Panches did in Nepal? Lastly, do ask me what you have in mind...I never run away from the likes of you. I would actually love to expose the hypocrisy and shallowness and pettiness. Do ask me. |
| Biswo | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 04:58 PM
OK, sc. There you go again, with reptilian anger, it seems like froth is coming out of your mouth as you are writing these vacuous remarks.I've seen reactions like this here before a lot of times, so my suggestion to you is write whatever you like. But, hey, before giving me lecture about insulting your name, try to write my name correctly. Ted case is not something I know rightnow. I am imperialist/capitalist re? OK, that tells me the volume of your knowledge. What kind of discourse I can have with your position? Do you think I will try to persuade likes of you that democracy is better than Gyanendrism? No, I won't. There is no point in doing that. If you want to prove anything, my suggestion is this: try to excel in your field, do a lot of publication in refereed journals, and then even if you have outlandish ideas, I will take you seriously for the hardwork you have put in your field. In sajha.com, no one can really prove one's intelligence or superiority, and talking loudly or writing furiously is not a way to prove your intellectual superiority. Lastly, I dont' have anything to ask you but one question. Did you really go to Inner Mongolia? After all those propaganda here, I am curious to know that one thing.I hope you don't run away from this question. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 05:40 PM
Terribly sorry to have misspelt your name, how did I dare to write the name of such a mighty person wrong...I know Biswo jyu's gallows awaits me. But if you can, do make an exception for a poor tandoori walla. But it is okay for you to make snide remarks about our names, we low lives. Yes, I did make it to Inner Mongolia. Got as far as Baotou. Had a great time. Hmm, I realized that you were quite a popular figure there, especially with the girls at the Quingshan Guesthouse. They fondly remember your intellectual as well as lascivious prowess. Man, what on earth did you teach them? They were hounding me to do the 'kaamasuuta' position all the time, shame on you!! They were happy to give me a discount when I told them that I was your cyber acquaintance. I am happy to report that you are sorely missed there. As to other things... That is so like you..when others come up with examples that shatter your argument, you always make the ignorance plea. How convenient...come on, what are you waiting for... do a google search on Ted Kennedy's life...and see if some thing with a funny spelling Chhepaddicqick or something to that effect comes up. If you are going to slap everyone with a blanket label of Mahendra-Pancha- Gynendra dictator supporter, don't you think you yourself deserve a similarly befitting epithet, especially given your penchant for the worship of all things American? Come on man, be a proud Yankee, or a Texan for that matter. And again, why don't you dare define your notion of democracy? Or is it a secret mantra like the gaitri mumbo jumbo that you are not supposed to share with others? >>"If you want to prove anything, my suggestion is this: try to excel in your field, do a lot of publication in refereed journals, and then even if you have outlandish ideas, I will take you seriously for the hardwork you have put in your field. In sajha.com, no one can really prove one's intelligence or superiority, and talking loudly or writing furiously is not a way to prove your intellectual superiority." As I have told you so many times, I am just a simple tantoori guy. I have no aspirations or brains for that kind of publications. But you, the great learned wise man, how much have you published? Do give us the citations so we too might hope for some intellectual enlightenment. And if Sajha is such not the place for your "intelligence and superiority", why do you spend so much of your academic time here? Shouldn't you be at the Faculty Club? Hello? Bisow hazur, you did not ask me the questions you accused of running away from. Please do ask them, so that I might answer them today while I still retain my wits about me. So don't run away, do ask the questions now, because tomorrow I might be to scared to you. Don't disappoint me. Hope to hear from you soon! |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 06:49 PM
Biswo jyu, I hope you haven't deserted the computer...I was expecting your "questions" so that I could try answering them. Cheers, Saubhagya |
| Biswo | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 07:33 PM
Ok, Shuva Chintak aka saubhagya, Since you write all nonsenses here about Mongolia, wish you goodluck. What is shame on me? Shame should be on you.I definitely don't have time for you. Will definitely be in a faculty club/ |
| KaleKrishna | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 08:16 PM
WHAT IS GYANENDRISM? WHAT ARE ITS BASIC PRINCIPLES, IF IT HAVE ANY OR IS IT A HYPOTHETICAL CREATION OF SOMEONES MIND WHO SEES CONSPIRICY IN EVERYTHING. WHO CAN BE BRANDED AS FOLLOWERS OF THIS NEW SO CALLED ...., WHEN WILL THIS MA BHANDA TA BADE JANNE HUNE ATTITUDE GO AWAY FROM ORDINARY NEPALESE TO ITS INTELLEGESIAS. LET US KEEP AWAY THE ANIMOSITY BEHIND AND WALK WITH FORGIVEN AND FORGOTON HEARTS INTO THE NEW YEAR, PRAYING FOR PEACE AND HAPPINESS TO FLOURISH IN THE MIND, BODY AND SURROUNDINGS OF EVERY INDIVIDUALS. ACCEPT MY HUMBLE GREETINGS FOR THE X-MAS DAY AND COMMING HAPPY NEW YEAR 2004. KK |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 24-Dec-03 09:22 PM
Yes, something wrong in both pictures. Booting the teenager or burning college furnitures are not acceptable by any standard. Both gives images of what kind of lawless society we are in! |
| failedstate | Posted
on 25-Dec-03 02:09 AM
Bhunte: I agree wth you. I saw a few postings ago, someone saying how great the American democracy is. It is utterly unfair to compare this to the Nepali situation. This great American democracy was not born in 12 years. Actually, when it was conceived 200 years ago, only 1.6 % of the population was allowed to vote, and it was not until 1921 (or so) the women were considered worthy of making right decision. The scores of black americans were, what can I say, just treated like slaves. Hundreds of immigrants are imprisioned without any due process (9/11 factor). Not that I am a big fan of Mr Saddam, but the attack on Iraq was a product of a fabricated scheme. Don't get me wrong, this great democracy does good deeds too --WW I and WW II, but the Vietnam policy was nothing but an example of its hegemony. It is a wonderful country and far from perfect. But it has taken them 200 years to come to this stage, where a bystander carrying a playcard (not burning tyre) does not get a boot when the VP Cheney visits the great State of Texas. Nepal is not unique in police brutality. Just go around the Asian maps and you will find several examples: Bhuta (brutality against the Nepali origin Bhutanese), India, Pakistan, China and the list goes on.. Many police departments in the good old US of A pay out millions of $$$$ every year to its citizens for beating, planting false charges, and all sorts of police brutality and misconducts. My city just agreed to pay out $1.7mil to a brutality victim. In Nepal, the King is not perfect and has stepped out of the constitutional boundary, but the party leaders have done much worse and the last 12 years is a testimonyt to it. They were elected and trusted to uphold the faith and hope of the millions of Nepalis. The Maoists would just be disasterous. Just read Prachand's statements and go to their sites and have a glimpses. The key is to unite and fight the larger menace, and the menace is the totalitarian communist regime in our case. |
| KaleKrishna | Posted
on 25-Dec-03 02:43 AM
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TWO DIFFERENT IN DIMENSION BUT BARBARIAN IN NATURE MISTAKES IN THOSE TWO ABOVE POSTED PICTURES? THE BRAIN WASHED SOLDIER, DOING HIS DUTY WITH NO SENTIMENTS ATTACHED THE SUPPOSEDLY FUTURE OF THE NATION-IN FRUSTRATION AND ANGER DESTROYING THEIRS AND OTHERS FUTURE. WHO IS TO BE BLAMED? HOW MUCH WE ARE RESPONSIBLE, HOW CAN IT BE RESOLVED, IS THERE ANY SIGN IT WILL FADE AWAY FROM OUR UNCIVILIZED WAY OF BEHAVING? kk |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 25-Dec-03 08:31 AM
Your problem is you reach to conclusions even without reading properly any incident that happened. You have made yourself incapable of thinking Biswo, You are no better. How can we forget you labeling Kunda a traitor without even understanding or reading what he really meant? There are probably other instances too in which you made strong statements about things and issues and never admitted your mistake nor apologized to the concerned parties. So, its you who needs a lesson on thinking, not me. Since you don't seem to know anything about induction deduction and verification, let me teach you: Induction is when you include all things in your thoinking process that you think will help you in proving your hypothesis. Then you deduct- keep only those that are relevant. Then based on your relevant proof/evidence you either prove or refute your initial hypothesis. This is research 101 for you. As for quorting Fareed Zakaria's book, I quoted the review published on the Economist. I didn't claim to read the book then. Now,you are a graduate student. It is time you actually create something substantial rather than ingratiate yourself in the service of the kings and dictators of the world. As it happens, dictators of the world used to die in guillotine, in basement, in noose. Seems like time has changed, they are arrested in spider hole, infested with lice. It will be tough time persuading people dictators are actually good. Keep yoiur suggestions to yourself. I do not someone like you- a narow minded I am always right person- teach me what to do. I don't care.I don't think you are capable of any meaningful discussion anyway. And frankly, it is you who jumped to discuss with me in this thread too. Drop by as long as you think you have some venom to spit to those who follow the codes of civilized world. Run away when you think you are out of venom.A democrat wishes goodluck to the fading luck of an anachronistic aberrant. Biswo, having corrected your distorted vision of Chinese history and other things quite a few times here in Sajha, and amzed by your stubburnness and narrow mindednesss that only sees things the way you deem fit, I think you are not only incapable of discussing without getting personal, you seem to have no idea whatsoever about debates and discussions. You are a graduate student, learn how to debate. This will help you defend your thesis when you submit one later on. Your narrow mindedness is evident by the way you replied to SC. Do I need to say/write more? No. All you have to do is learn to acceopt that there are many people in the world that do not necessariluy think the way you do, and that they are proibably more smart than you and that you have no rights whatsoever to label people this and that just because they don't agree with your views. When you realize this, and when you come to understand the real meaning of being a democrat is not just preaching republicanism but agreeing that there are many ways of looking at things and that what you believe in might need some corrections, then you will be worthy of talking to. Note, talking to. Then you can develop discussion/debate skills. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 25-Dec-03 08:37 AM
Your masters were damn afraid of the agitation, huh? Look at the way you talk? What makes Surya Bahadur Thapa my master? This shows how narrow minded and incapable of debate you are. Just because I support the institution of monarchy does not mean Surya Bahadur Thapa is my master. You support Republicans, does this mean your masters are Prachanda and Baburam? First, you failed to undertsand that incidents and the aftermaths are tow totally different things. Then you go on labeling me incapable of thinking. and when all fails, you start doing a little self promotion. and when that too fails, you start typing everything that comes to your head. IS this how a graduate stduent in the US forms arguments? No. |
| Biswo | Posted
on 25-Dec-03 09:51 AM
IF, OK, here you go again. Going back to Kunda thing , ingratiating with SC thing: I understand why you do these things. I don't need to go back and prove your insanity at least here in sajha. Readers are fairly aware of your stuffs. In fact, few even consider you worthy of any discussion. Start a decent discussion by yourself and I will see.Ditto to SC. I have seen enough of you two patting each others. It behooves two supporters of fascist regime standing hand in hand to kiss blood-stained hands of a dictator. I will be out for a week. Will see you guys back later. |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 25-Dec-03 09:57 AM
It behooves two supporters of fascist regime standing hand in hand to kiss blood-stained hands of a dictator. There you go again! What a proof of sanity. namaste |
| DP | Posted
on 26-Dec-03 11:38 AM
Biswo, Subha Chintak, and Isolated Freak: Looks like you guys have some mental problems.You all are extremists--blind(let's not use the word "stupid") followers of anything(not even something).You are not open-minded.To be open-minded,one at least needs a mind.I am enjoying your game.It reminds me of "goru judhai"(bull fight)-- a meaningless battle fought for one and only one reason -- ego. Thanks for this free entertainment show. DP. |