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| bhanja |
Posted
on 23-Dec-03 08:44 AM
Hi there to all the Nepalese all over the world,
I am writing this to understand how our fellows are treated in their adopted/work/study country.
For your information we "bhanjas n bhanjees' in Singapore are currently in a very, very dire situation, especially those of us who just finished study/fulfilled 3 years bond.Even those who want continue continue their tertiary education are not spared.
Many of my friends left for further studies as the SIR (Singapore Immigration N Registration or now known is ICA) refused thier PR application and employment pass renewal.
Having stayed in Singapore for almost all our life in Singapore (all their life for some),it really makes us angry when we are actually qualified for PR but are bypassed.It is not that we are less capable than citizen of other countries.In fact we Nepali excel in most field, in other word we are all rounder.
In recent years Singapore have been campaigning to be the regional hub for education and has tried hard to woo many students.
But............................................................
most Nepalese now has hard time getting student pass !!!!
Well, you all be the judge dear fellow Nepali Bros/Sis whats going on here. Hopefully you all will share your experiences.Hope to hear from you guys.
Regards
Bhanja (Singapore)
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 23-Dec-03 02:00 PM
Hey Bhanja,
At least, in USA and in China, Nepalese are not descriminated against. That's my experience.
Hope those Singaporeans mend their way. And here is a news for you.
You know the source of Singaporean wealth is its strategical location because it lies in a crucial straight for goods going from Eastern Asia (mainly Japan, and China) to western Asia, and Europe and Africa. Last year, when SARS affected Singapore, a Singapore minister claimed that it was due to Chinese population. Those days, students of China were so irate over the Singaporean remark that one student proposed in Qinghua BBS to make a panama-canal like canal in Thailand. If you look at the map, making such canal is not a crazy idea. It will benefit Thailand, and will completely ruin Singaporean advantage because then it will be a lot shorter for ships to go to Europe and Africa via Thailand's canal. And it won't be really costly. But will Thailand and China ever make such canal?
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| Hawaldaar_Kattu |
Posted
on 24-Dec-03 12:35 PM
Bhanjas and bhanjis of singapore are very very discriminated against then the bhanjas and bhanjis of Hong Kong .British gurkhas worked as army in hong kong and British gurkhas serve in singapore as policemen and thier childrens who were born in HK/Singapore are called Bhanjas and bhanjis .Singaporean bhanjas and bhanjis get to live all thie life in Singapore but once thier fathers get retired _____pack up and go home even though they were born in singapore and have received good education .this is nothing new because this has been happening for many many years .I think its about time bhanjas and bhanjis of singapore fought for thier PR rights atleast by thier birth rights .
Just look at us HK bhanjas and bhanjis .we were born in hong kong and most of us have spent most of our life in Nepal ,and educated in Nepal .we come back to hong kong and we have no problem getting permanent residence in HK .To claim the Permanent residency by birth is the universal right .we can vote ,we can study wherever we like ,we can apply for job wherever we like ,we can enjoy all government
services etc etc .. In short we are treated same as local chinese people .
But Bhanjas and bhanjis in singapore ??? what a pity .just pack up and go back to Nepal once thier dad gets retired .There are indians,pakis ,malaysians ,chinese etc etc in Singapore who are PR ..........but why are nepalese bhanjas and bhanjis being kicked out of singapore even though they were born and educated in singapore ...in some cases for more than 25 years ????? this is serious .
British Gurkhas have been already defending singapore as policemen and now that terrorism is so rare they are especially posted to defend sensitive power plants and business organisations and government offices .But when it comes to give PR to thier kids ,they give a damn .If they cannot facilitate gurkhas kids with Permanent residency then they should defend thier own country ..
Or if they cannot defend thier own country then they are not worth defending at all .
HK bhanja
Hawakdar Kattu
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| EdHunter |
Posted
on 24-Dec-03 02:14 PM
I absolutely agree that the Singapore govt are totally biased against the bhanjas and bhanjis in S'pore. We apply for PR status and we ALWAYS get rejected. And when we ask em why, they juz say that they are forbidden to tell us anything about the so called selection process for PR status. But on the other hand, Malaysians, Burmese and other South East Asian students once they finish their tertiary education, a letter comes to their home stating that they are being offered PR status. What's this? Obvious discrimination against us Nepalese.
Even Dhotis and the Mainlander Chinese pass through the PR selection process with flying colours, and half of these Mainlanders can hardly speak English fluently (with English being the main language of S'pore).
I mean what do we bhanjas and bhanjis lack that the S'pore govt totally ignore us and choose the above mentioned. I dun really understand. None of us does. WE have been living there our whole lives basically. Some of us were even born there. An average bhanja and bhanjis residency life in S'pore ranges from 15-over 20 years. Now isn;t that enuff to warrant a PR status anywhere else in the world. Yeah... except in S'pore.
The other nationalities mentioned however, finish their Secondary education back at their own home and come to S'pore to complete their tertiary education. This is at most 3 years, and 'poof', they get a letter their door stating 'U r eligible for PR status. Please accept or decline this offer'. That easy.
I mean, gimme a break man. They stay here for only 3 years, and we for more than half or maybe even all of our lives and we get overlooked over them when it comes to being givem a PR. Iz that fair?
Furthermore, our education capability is not any worse than theirs. Most, if not all, of us have completed our tertiary education or are on the verge of doing so. But still, even after completing, that elusive letter never ever comes to our door. We have to trudge all the way to the SIR (or ICA now) to apply for one. And we do that knowing that it;s almost impossible to get one. I know that it;s kinda dumb of us, but we juz hope for the best.
And the funny thing is that these other nationalities who get the PR say that they are only getting the S'pore PR juz for fun and that they'll go back to M'sia or wherever they came from when they have had enough of S'pore (ie. made enough money) and their country is progressing. Contardicting huh? Yeah.
Howver,I'm sure that S'pore bhanjas and bhanjis won't do that. They've stayed there their whole life. They have loads of S'porean friends there. They know every nook and corner of S'pore. They know every tourist attraction u wanna go to. They know where the best types of foods are sold. They know all the places where they can have fun. Basically, they are juz like the typical S'poreans, excpet, with a Nepali heart. But what does the S'pore govt care.......
I could go on and on about it all but i think I'd better stop here. Let's c what others have to say. Maybe I'll add on more next time.........
Another S'pore Bhanja
NOT in S'pore right now.....
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| bobby_123 |
Posted
on 25-Dec-03 03:32 PM
hello all
I am a Singaporean, hindustani guy who spent his teenage life growing up around former GC bhanjas nd i can proudly say today that, these few Nepalese friends are one hell of the best friends i could ever have throughout my lifetime.
i have sadly watched one by one leave this country in the past 2 years. and yes, i perfectly understand all of your feelings and the mental battle that you GC bhanjas/bhanjis are going through. but frankly, I am already tired of cursing the Singapore immigration guys.
The thing is to understand that this country, the system, everything here is going to be this way in days to come. its NOT going to change. why? i realise that to compare fair treatment of people in other economically developed nations like USA & Britain or even developing countries is wrong now.
We have to realise that Singapore is a completely different nation after all. An extremely scarce land, packed with a population of 4 million, with no natural resources of its own and solely dependent on foreign markets to survive, it actually needs ONLY people who can help it grow. You can stay here for 50 years for all they care with a work permit, but if they see u arent of any value $$$ to the economy, they are not gonna grant u a PR, or more commonly, ask u to get out!
It is really unfortunate that all my fellow friends had to end up growing up here in the first place. Singapore, like its people, is a country that cares for itself in times of need. not for those who might truly deserve it. my fellow friends, i am embarassed to call myself a Singaporean because I can see that I am one because of circumstances, not whether i might truly deserve it.
anyway, I hope all of you guys could try putting your anger, frustration aside by understanding, and look ahead.. try,make your own plans for your own futures abroad.
everyone is for himself now, no Singaporean is here for you.
tumhara saathi
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| kalebhut |
Posted
on 26-Dec-03 02:13 AM
its not only the bhanjas and bhanjis of singapore that are discriminated. But the legit residents of nepalese origin in Hongkong also has the same predicament when it comes to employment , equal opportunities , and higher studies. The only good part is that the nepalese ppl have the right of abode that qualifies them to certain govt subsidies such as social welfare assistance(dole)(on which i've been surviving for the past one year) etcetera and vocational training programs. almost all bhanjas and bhanjis who are dependent on drugs and could find no jobs rely on dole.The total number of nepalese ppl
that are jobless, answers for the diiscrimination,racism and nepotism prevalent in this especial autonomous administrative region. save for the lazybones,bludgers and the typical nepali stereotype who find it very hard a thing to even walk out of his or her room and see the world.. thus, i think its the same with the people here in Hongkong as nepalese on the rest of the world. We simply dont have that opportunities against all these obstacles that lay rock solid before us, to carry through our potential.
maternal uncle from hk
kalebhut.
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| Hawaldaar_Kattu |
Posted
on 26-Dec-03 03:17 AM
'almost all bhanjas and bhanjis who are dependent on drugs and could find no jobs rely on dole'
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I am HK born Bhanja .This is my 8th year in hongkong since i got back from Nepal .And I have never been unemployed nor have I ever applied for social welfare assistance .
Kalebhut uncle ,dont you feel shame on giving wrong infos to the nepalese around the world despite filling your useless, unemployed ,laapsaap bhudi with the the tax payers money in the form of social welfare assistance (dole )?
Racism is a disease which can never ever be eradicated in every part of the world be it in Hong Kong ,singapore or USA .It can only be controlled ,lowered .If you ask if rascism exists in America .White will say 'NO' but blacks and others will always say "YES ".Is our own motherland Nepal free of rascism >??? Would nepalese tolerate if chinese people from HK went to Nepal and start living on free "dal bhaat ' provided from government social welfare assistance like you are doing right now in Hong kong ? GET REAL uncle chips ....................
The reason why high number of nepalese population is unemployed in hong kong is simply because we are not competitive to the local people in this asia's world city .Another reason which you have mentioned yourself is 'drugs '.Believe me I would never employ drug addicts .Now if you complain about these drug addicts being unemployed then I have nothing more to say .
But uncle chips ,please dont mislead our fellow nepalese people around the world .And I dont say rascism does not exist in HK ,but yes I do say that rasicsm in HK is much much tolerable than in singapore when it comes to the cases of locally born bhanjas and bhanjis .
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| Hawaldaar_Kattu |
Posted
on 26-Dec-03 04:09 AM
bobby bhaiyya says :
'We have to realise that Singapore is a completely different nation after all. An extremely scarce land, packed with a population of 4 million, with no natural resources of its own and solely dependent on foreign markets to survive, it actually needs ONLY people who can help it grow.'
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bobby bhaiyya ,
In terms of geographical location singapore is no different than Hong kong with just 6 millions population .Hong kong also survives on foreign markets to survive .Now that HK is a part of china ,it could have kicked us all foreigners to fill itself with mainland chinese people but HK knows and follows the rights of people unlike singapore .With 95% local chinese people and lots more from across the border trying to enter it ,HK is successful in repelling illegal chinese from mainland and respecting the rights of non-chinese HK residents ,thus trying it best to make it multicultural state .When will Jhingapore ....I mean Singapore will learn to respect the rights of nepalese bhanjas and bhanjis when its already a multi-national state ?where is the fundamental human rights of these people ??? Singapore still has lots of rooms to improve thats why I think singapore cannot compete with Hong Kong in near future .
We see acts of terrorism all around the world these days because of unfair treatment .We see bomb explode all over because of unjust policies of the country .We see suicide attacks ,biological and chemical attacks and what not ..all due to mistreatment .I will not be surprised if in near future ,Singapore bhanjas and bhanjis start exploding bomb in singapore for unfair treatment.I dont want to see singapore in balls of fire and neither is this a threat to singaporeans ...but this is a possibility .if that actually happens who is to blame ??? not you bobby 123 ...its your government policies towards certain group of people ? Have you forgotton 9/11 ? who was to blame ?? it was mainly american government policies and american people had to suffer .
HK bhanja ]
Hawaldar kattu
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| Hawaldaar_Kattu |
Posted
on 26-Dec-03 04:16 AM
bobby bhaiyya also says
'my fellow friends, i am embarassed to call myself a Singaporean because I can see that I am one because of circumstances, not whether i might truly deserve it. '
Bobby bhaiyya ,
If bhanjas and bhanjis start bombing singapore for mistreatment ,the status which singapore is holding as a global financial centre will blow away with your homes and future .Then you will be one of the singaporeans there to suffer because of circumstances ,not because you truly deserve it . Think about it.
No matter how much we talk ,on conclusion bhanjas and bhanjis in singapore are mistreated .Cleanest city in the world has the dirtiest policy towards our fellow bhanjas and bhanjis in singapore .How long are we gonna tolerate this nonsense ??
HK bhanja
Halwadaar kattu
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| kalebhut |
Posted
on 26-Dec-03 11:23 AM
Kalebhut uncle ,dont you feel shame on giving wrong infos to the nepalese around the world despite filling your useless, unemployed ,laapsaap bhudi with the the tax payers money in the form of social welfare assistance (dole )?
funny retort uh huh..hawaldar kattu bhanja..
would you u take on a job that requires standing up 12 hours a day and six days a week and pays u 6,000 a month rather than stay idle 30 days a month and get 3,000 a month deposited in ur bank a/c?? Or perhaps you have a job that pays u more than that what i get from a social welfare dept. The fact i'm trying to disclose here is that people who is employed in hongkong had nothing to do with what he or she'd have been doing in nepal with the same wit and potential he or she has. Except for the pay that he or she gets in return. otherwise every part of the world would be a better place to live with ppl like us having to face no discrimination and do dirty and dangerous jobs.ki ke ho?
kalebhut mama
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| EdHunter |
Posted
on 26-Dec-03 03:01 PM
Hawaldaar_Kattu, i'd beg yah not to put us in the same context as terrorists or some sickos who bombs everything in sight juz cos he's rejected a lousy PR status. True; we r frustrated; but not to the extent that we'd go around bombing everything within sight man. It's not like it's gonna b the end of the world izzit. We could always go back to Nepal and start over again, though that's not such an exciting prospect. At least we won't end up like the refugees in Bhutan. But I'd like to thank yah for understanding the plight of the S'pore bhanjas and bhanjis.
As for bobby_123, i really appreciate u saying that us pple are a great bunch of friends to have. But dun really agree with ur view that we, can;t help the S'pore economy grow. What's the difference between us and the rest of the S'poreans? Or rather, the so called loyal PRs. What do we lack that they excel in? For ur info, juz read up my last msg i posted on this discussion. We have the education, the skills and the mentality to do something for S'pore. But the S'pore govt thinks that juz cos we r from juz another third world country, we're useles and juz meant to be used and thrown away. juz like tissue. Basically speaking, they look down on us and have probably one of the worst human rights policy in the world. Sorry for saying this but it's probably a fact which even U, a typical S'porean agrees with. Anyway, i think i know who u r......
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| Hawaldaar_Kattu |
Posted
on 27-Dec-03 01:53 AM
kalebhut uncle chips says '
'would you u take on a job that requires standing up 12 hours a day and six days a week and pays u 6,000 a month rather than stay idle 30 days a month and get 3,000 a month deposited in ur bank a/c?? '
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Your question really made me sad uncle .I would rather take up a job that requires standing up 12 hours a day ,six days a week ,get 6,000 a month ,pay for my own food and be proud rather than be burden to the government .Its just the matter of honour and dignity .If you dont have both of them then you are gone case .Stay idle survive on government's welfare assistance and yet keep complaining of being racist .If you know how to fill your lazy stomach with with govt's money then learn to be thankful to them as well .if you try to find out ....there are more chinese people jobless and in pitiful state than us nepalese .
'Arkako bharma baachnu parcha haatai nahuney ley ... yekdin bhokai marnu parcha pourakh nahuneley '.Where is your pourakh ??? people like you are making life harder for all the nepalese in HK if you realise .some work thier ass off to maintain dignity and swabhimaan and some scratch thier balls all day and night and get free food and shelter .People like you and these bloddy drug addicts should be sent back to Nepal .Now I realise why we have lost 1 month visa-free access to Hong Kong from Nepal .Now I realise why immigration policy towards us are getting more and more tight .
Binti cha uncle find one job ,I am sure you will get one .Afno pashina ko kamai khanu ko swaad nai arko huncha .
Dole payment baata ayeko 3000 ma pani 1000 ta horse racing ma jancha hola ,arko 1000 dantini ma ....ki ke ho ?
uhi bhanja
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| kalebhut |
Posted
on 27-Dec-03 03:54 AM
Your question really made me sad uncle .I would rather take up a job that requires standing up 12 hours a day ,six days a week ,get 6,000 a month ,pay for my own food and be proud rather than be burden to the government .Its just the matter of honour and dignity .If you dont have both of them then you are gone case .Stay idle survive on government's welfare assistance and yet keep complaining of being racist .If you know how to fill your lazy stomach with with govt's money then learn to be thankful to them as well .if you try to find out ....there are more chinese people jobless and in pitiful state than us nepalese .
Dear bhanja babu.. taking up a job that requires a donkey's equivalent of an intellect when one is capable of sth better is not a very good decision, is it? How would one realize his true potential if he/she is focused on just getting a job that only pays for his lodging and fooding? this is because of the mentality we have, that holds us back to develop, succeed and reach higher heights of prosperity as a dignified human entity.And i'd not in anyway call myself a dignified and honored human being if that job necissitate and demands drudgery, misery,dissatisfaction, frustration , poorpay, oppression and discrimination. and pls dont take these ideas of mine for my ego or arrogance. just my thoughts. lets just not carried away with these minor issues and stop discussing from here on. There would have existed an utopian world or place if we'd had no such problems and issues. and one thing i'm not a maoist. and i dont spend my govt money on horseracing and danteni la.
so moral of the thread: work smart but not hard.
timromaya garne mama kalebhut.
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| bhanja |
Posted
on 27-Dec-03 03:52 PM
Thank you very much for your repsonds guys !!!!
I am very greatful for your feedback.
I am thinking of bringing this PR and student visa issue to Nepal government's attenttion and also to the media in Singapore.I know that bringing this matter to the media's attention will generate a lot of attention in Singapore and hopefully somehow the authority concern would give a proper explanation as to why this biasness has been going on.Though the process or the effect of such action may take time, I will be more than happy to see my "junuior" enjoy the status which rightfully belong them.
To cement my arguemnt,I hope Nepal government would play its part and do her citizen justice by probing this matter with the Singapore government.I know Nepal's givernemnt is currently at disemmble but I still hope...
LAst but not least, I want to appeal to those ex-Singapore bhanja and bhanjees to bombard SIR (ICA) for an explantion for thier unjustfiable move against the Nepalese.It would be even better if you could send letter to "Straits Times" a local newspaper which has a reach about few millions in Singapore.
straitstimes.asia1.com.sg (Straits TImes)
http://app.ica.gov.sg/index.asp (ICAor SIR)
Regarda
BHanja (Singapore)
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| bobby_123 |
Posted
on 09-Jan-04 09:54 AM
hello folks. back for some comments.
Firstly to comment on the feedback by
hawaldaar kattu:
1. despite slightly similar geographical similarities of hong Kong and Singapore, Singapore owns other specific advantages compared to Hong Kong. HK has a much different political, economic and socio structure to Singapore overall. Under the current one-country two systems policy, hong Kong exercises more democratic policies as compared to the part-socialist, part democratic policies like Singapore. Unlike the free-market based economy of HK, the Singapore state exercises great power in interfering in the labour market for the benefit of its more-favoured residents. That is how i see this fundamental difference eventually results in unfair treatment of Nepali bhanjas n bhanjis in S'pore. There is another issue of HK nd s'pore economy u mentioned that i disagree but i shall leave it for now.
2. as for frustrated bhanjas nd bhanjis bombing s'pore and me becoming a victim of it, my view has been that no civillian deserves to die in an act of terrorism. unfavourable political actions do cause deep resentment and hence violence. but my friend, those who choose arms to wreck lives of innocent, government-favoured civilians to demand their way deserve to die. to blame deaths out of terrorism because of unfavoured government policies is ethically not right.
EdHunter:
3. You must have misinterpreted what i wrote. i expressed the view of how the Singapore government sees Nepalese, not mine. There is absolutely no lack in bhanjas n bhanjis to the average Singaporean in terms of education, skill, talent and capability. do not forget that my best friends are in fact Nepalese bhanjas. Singapore sees that all nepalese r of no value $$$, no matter whatever quality they possess just like an average Singaporean, simply because Nepal is a least-developed country. THIS IS NOT MY VIEW.
folks, The driving intention of my former message was hopefully for all to instead of reacting in anger, to resolve this issue by understanding the bigger picture, and just let things be the way they are. my intention was derived from words of the wise, "To forgive and forget". Easy words, but really wise and hard to practice even for the toughest man.
guess i failed. best wishes to 'Bhanja' who is attempting to voice out this frustration on behalf of other affected GC bhanjas n bhanjis.
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| bhanja |
Posted
on 09-Jan-04 11:06 AM
Hi there to all the Nepali Bros who responded to my postings, I am extremely happy to see so many feedbacks.I have read all the postings few times and I hope that more people will discuss about this issue and hopefully come up with asolution to end this discrimination against the Nepalese.
Regards
Bhanja(Singpore)
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| EdHunter |
Posted
on 09-Jan-04 06:21 PM
ok bobby bhaiya... maybe i have misinterpreted what u were trying to explain about how the Singapore government sees the Nepalese as. But why is it that they constantly never fail to consider us as the so called 'foreign talents' that S'pore so openly says it wants. Why's that? As i said, the S'poreans ain't any better than us and neither are those Indian dhothis and Mainlander Chinese who probably dun even know the difference bet the alphabets A and Z. We have the talent and the passion to do something for S'pore, but, ur govt constantly overlooks us in favour of the above mentioned. Why? Isn't S'pore supposed to be a multiracial country where one race is not discriminated against another, where everything is fair regardeles of race, language or religion. In denying us sumthing which I think we have full right to claim, they are totally going against the multiracial country policy sysyem. All i can say is that it;s a load of BS.
The only 'talent' they want from the Nepalese is protection of their asses from foreign bodies and terrorsits. Risking OUR people's life juz so that their butts can be protected and they can go about doing their stuffs for the good of their OWN people. What a bunch of heartless people... I say, if there was a war in S'pore, the Gurkhas, fighting for S'pore, may juz turn their backs on themn, say 'F**k this s**t' and start shooting the S'poreans instead. Yeah they are considered to be the most loyal, brave... blah blah blah... troops in the world, that's what the S'pore govt keeps saying too... but with the way S'pore is treating them and their kids, as i say, U never know... hawaldaar saab simply put it as 'Don't wake the tigers'. Maybe u should warn Goh at this....
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| bobby_123 |
Posted
on 10-Jan-04 12:25 AM
Hawaldaar kattu,
your responses to my comments seem too young and disrespectful.
and i suggest you revise your vocabulary when trying good english to justify your points.
1. pussillaminous is spelt as pussillanimous.
2. there is no barometer used in S'pore to measure ethnic backgrounds.
3. i have no particular words like ethics in my shirt pockets for my protection.
4. why don't you give your "sleeping tiger" dhamkis to Mr Goh yourself? In case you were dreaming, you have no Singaporean as your servant.
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