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| GP |
Posted
on 19-Jul-01 03:03 AM
Hi! I get puzzled when I read the articles in Gorkha Patra
(state run Newspaper in Tax payers money) and Kathmandu Post
or Kantipur so called nation's number one news papers. Read
the following one. Who says its an article written by
an intellectual Nepali journalist or writer. This is called
"intellectual prostitution", and This guy named Manoj
Rijal was writing this article to satisfy those bised
readers as pointed out by Ashu last week in his reivew
of Nepali journalism as an "unbiased" reader. Kati
Ghati chha yo article you just read it with cool mind.
I am not supporter of Deuba, but, article is so bad,
I feel ashamed of being citizen of country whose number
one newspaper publishes such shameful news or articles.
TKP is not alone in publishing such articles. Gorkha Patra
, int its yesterday issue, it had similar article written
to blashfamy Former DPM Ram Chandra Poudel. The Gorkha Patra
is used (Tax payers money) to "khoiro khanna" or for some
good thoughts? I could not understand. GP Koirala needs to
resign as early as possible before all national media and
govt. offices are full occupied by Girija Chamcha. Now, I
have started feeling that Girija would love to make Nepal
part of India like Sikkim if he gets enough chances. He
is real idiot and his whole Koirala family too. BP 's
name is sold in such a low price we can not even imagine.
Enjoy the following article, "how ghatiya can be our
journalists and writers. They are competiting who can
escalate fast and lower". Do not forget to read the
article in Gorkha Patra written by Shiva Adhikari.
What a great peace in national daily. Promote the
intellectual prostitution. If you hate "Vandalism
and Intellectual prostitution (VIP)", then, join MIP
Group and say BIG "NO" TO These Nepali VIPs (Vandalizers
and Intellectual Prostitutes = VIP)" @ http://www.nepalicongress.org/ Thanks.
Ambitious Deuba sailing down
By Manoj Rijal
Of late stars do not seem to be in favour of the Deuba couple. Madam Deuba was doing a business of Pyramid plan, in which a person has to make three persons efoolf. Oh sorry! I mean ememberf and each member will have to make three persons the new members, individually. Each new guy pays certain money which later on, is returned after being collected from three members under him or her.
In addition, the member will get multiple amount of money on the ratio of increased membership under him or her. But, Madam Deubafs business seems to be engaged in great trouble since some people complained at the office of Company Registrar that itfs a fraudulent scheme.
Letfs talk about miserable husband Mr Deuba. He was supposed to be the No 1 successor of septuagenarian G P Koirala, the incumbent powerful prime minister of Nepal. (Powerful, because no one from UML to RPP, and from Ganeshman to Bhattarai, could oust the lanky PM. In his niece Shailajafs own words, the PM alone is Maika lal in the nation ).
In the fast moving political scenario, Deuba ,at this moment, has tumbled to No 3 in the successorsf list. He had been accustomed to the day dream that he is the only successor in the Nepali Congress and hence the future PM. And the dream was not built solely on quicksands. It must be recalled here that he was the first in Nepali Congress to be crowned as PM after G P Koirala and Bhattarai.
It was bearable for him if there was only one competitor. But now there are two ! One, the old rival or migrane headache Former Deputy Prime Minister. Two, Mr Koirala the Junior, the newly declared successor! So what, if Surya Bahadur Thapa nicknames the bearded Koirala- Likhure in parliament? In fact, Sushil dada failed to deliver an impressive speech in the ongoing summer session. And it was not bearable for, at least, Mr Thapa who himself does not speak but blows the trumpet.
Even Thapafs comments will not relieve Deubafs anxiety, since likhures are also supposed to be competent for premiership. Worse, Senior Koirala is also backing Koirala, the Junior.
Nobody seems sympathetic towards Mr former PMfs anxiety that in each and every debate concerning Girija Babufs succession, there are only names, and certainly not of Deubafs. Be alert and hold your patience Mr and Mrs Deuba!- things are not right for you these days.
Dear Deubas, your luck once glowed radiantly after you tied the nuptial knot in your fifties and gave birth to a child. Ifm not gonna suggest you to do the same auspicious thing again or have another child to get back your fortune, as everything is so expensive these days. But why not you give your last try and please your political guru - Koirala, the Senior ! Maybe he will fall for you.
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| Rekha |
Posted
on 19-Jul-01 09:56 AM
I am shocked and disgusted by reading this article!!!
Surprised is another word!! How could this man be called a journalist???
Did formal training make this man a journalist? Does ANYONE edit anything that goes on paper or does a Nepali paper publish just about ANYTHING??
I worked with Arzu once upon a time and "knew" her. I am not a personal friend nor am I a relative but she certainly did NOT seem what this guy is painting her out to be. I don't know what organizations/businesses she is associated with. One thing I know for sure is this Manoj Rijal should be fired for making GorkhaPatra look like the National Enquirer!!
An intellectual journalist?? Are we so short as a nation of good and ethical people?
Commenting on their marriage and children?? No-one of calibre and decree would stoop to that!
Shame on that paper and people associated with writing/editing/publishing such a tuccho article!!!
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 19-Jul-01 08:51 PM
Dear Rekhaji:
Are you sure Arju Deuba is not working in this pyramid scheme? I
have heard about it before also. FYI, pyramid scheme can be
potentially explosive issue for even Mr Deuba.
China banned it in 1998 after millions,yes Millions, of middle
class people were swindled by such schemes.You know, things are
not quite rosy in Nepal, and you can't be so sure about any body,
esp politicians.
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| Puskar |
Posted
on 20-Jul-01 07:54 AM
There has been many great strides in Nepal's journalism. It is clearly seen that the media has been as outspoken as ever. Yet, I see there are other accomplishments to be made in this area. There are very few TRAINED journalists in Nepal. First, we need more trained journalists. Second, the untrained but educated ones who succumb to journalism for bread and better need to understand the fundamentals of journalism. There is a difference between 'writing' and 'journalism.' For example, I have noticed reporters adding their 'opinion' in reported news. A line should be drawn between reporting and opinion. Here are some examples:
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> From February 1 KTM Post:
Kathmandu, Feb.1: In an effort to placate rivals in the ruling Nepali Congress party, Prime Minister Girija Prasad Koirala Thursday night appointed rival young Turk Sher Bahadur Deuba to the powerful central committee, a party announcement said Thursday night.
Referring Deuba as a 'young turk' is merely an opinion which should not have been a part of this report.
> From February 4 KTM Post:
Kathmandu, 4 February: A complete 2500 year-old skeleton, supposedly of a Buddha disciple, was unearthed along with some coins, earthernware, and a major portion of a wall of a house, from a site in Nawalparasi district, archeologists said. The skeleton was found at a site near Ramgram Stupa where the relics of the Buddha are preserved. Laboratory tests will be conducted to determine its exact age, officials if the Lumbini Development Trust said.
In this report, first, the reporter says the skeleton is 2500 years old. A little later, he adds "Laboratory tests will be conducted to determine its exact age." The reporter does not specify that 2500 is an approximate age in the first line.
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I think we have built a strong foundation for the future of Nepal's future. Now it needs to be refined. The quality will certain come as we learn the lessons.
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| Rekha |
Posted
on 20-Jul-01 09:03 AM
Biswo,
"I worked with Arzu once upon a time and "knew" her. I am not a personal friend nor am I a relative but she certainly did NOT seem what this guy is painting her out to be. I don't know what organizations/businesses she is associated with"
This is what I wrote. And I'm still sticking by it as I have not kept in touch with Arzu over the (many) years. She seemed to be a woman of high principles, extremely intelligent and a caring person therefore, I have my own PERSONAL doubts that she would ever have gotten into anything disasterous. However, this is not about supporting Arzu. I am outraged that people in the name of journalism could write something as ghatiya as that!
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| suman pradhan |
Posted
on 20-Jul-01 09:19 AM
Hi all,
Thanks again for taking time to comment on The Kathmandu Post. We hope you understand that we value your criticisms/suggestions.
Here I would like to clarify a bit about the said article by Manoj Rijal. The write-up was an opinion peice published in the satire forum (Post Platform) of the newspaper. It is difficult to distiguish from the internet version of the Post whether any given article is a news story or an opinion peice, and we understand that. The comments in that article was of Mr Rijal alone and does not reflect the views of the Kathmandu Post. I do agree however that the points he made in the article could have been made in a more tasteful, professional way.
I also agree with Ashutosh Tiwari's question. What makes you all so sure that Arju Deuba is not involved in such a "pyramid scheme"? Mr Rijal in fact based his peice on various published reports in the local media accusing Mrs Deuba of exactly that.
Now I would like to reply to Mr Puskar. He wrote -
"> From February 1 KTM Post:
Kathmandu, Feb.1: In an effort to placate rivals in the ruling Nepali Congress party, Prime Minister Girija Prasad Koirala Thursday night appointed rival young Turk Sher Bahadur Deuba to the powerful central committee, a party announcement said Thursday night.
Referring Deuba as a 'young turk' is merely an opinion which should not have been a part of this report."
What is wrong in referring to Deuba as "young turk"? It is not opinion, but merely an adjective which writers all over the world use to spice of thier peices lest it gets boring to readers. US journalists sometimes use "leader of the free world" to describe the US president. And in India, journalists routinely used "young turk" to describe ex-Indian PM Chandrashekhar in the early years of his career. If adjectives were to be banned from journalistic writing, then let me assure you my friend that not many readers would bother to read otherwise boring stories.
As for your contention that news should not include opinion, I agree, but upto a point. In US journalism schools and newsrooms, news and opinion is strictly separated for the sake of objectivity, sometimes to the point of absurdity. As a colleague of mine once said, the challenge rather should be for journalists to strive to impart "subjectivity with an objective mind."
cheers
suman
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| suman pradhan |
Posted
on 20-Jul-01 09:24 AM
"I also agree with Ashutosh Tiwari's question. What makes you all so sure that Arju Deuba is not involved in such a "pyramid scheme"?"
Sorry folks, the credit for the above question goes to Biswo and not Ashutosh Tiwari as I erroneously mentioned. Sorry again.
cheers
suman
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| Rekha |
Posted
on 20-Jul-01 09:44 AM
Suman,
Before I get lost in all your flattery and defense. I have to comment on something about calling someone a "young turk". I am neither a journalist nor am I acquainted with the term "young turk" BUT I would like to bring to your attention an article that I read some time back in "Life" (correct me please if Im wrong on this) where this journalist covering the royal marriage of the then Crown Prince and Princess of Japan and while describing her features said something to the effect of her nose being flat or something like that of a Nepali!!!
Therefore, if what you say is merely SPICING UP your words for the benefit of the readers by calling Deuba "young turk" and means nothing BEYOND that, I wonder how a turk would feel reading that.
I would love to also know what the term "young turk" means. ENGLISH MAJORS help out!!
I will get to your other fumbling points later on as I, myself, sort out the clarity of your message.
Thanks
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| Rekha |
Posted
on 20-Jul-01 10:35 AM
"Here I would like to clarify a bit about the said article by Manoj Rijal. The write-up was an opinion peice published in the satire forum (Post Platform) of the newspaper. It is difficult to distiguish from the internet version of the Post whether any given article is a news story or an opinion peice, and we understand that. The comments in that article was of Mr Rijal alone and does not reflect the views of the Kathmandu Post. I do agree however that the points he made in the article could have been made in a more tasteful, professional way."
1. Whether that article was a news story or an opinion piece is really irrelevant. We are talking about the quality of one's writing. And Suman, I hate to point out so strongly that when someone publishes an article IN a newspaper/magazine of any kind, the article is associated with the ENTIRE publishing. If this were not the case, then could I submit something I wrote for my class to you? Would you not like to maintain any kind of credibility you have as a publishing house? Or don't you have any??
2. I have read tasteful satires of Mr. Kunda Dixit and one can always find humour in those. At least, the ones I've read so far have been and bear no private malice of ANY kind.
" the points he made in the article could have been made in a more tasteful, professional way."
"Dear Deubas, your luck once glowed radiantly after you tied the nuptial knot in your fifties and gave birth to a child. Ifm not gonna suggest you to do the same auspicious thing again or have another child to get back your fortune, as everything is so expensive these days. But why not you give your last try and please your political guru - Koirala, the Senior ! Maybe he will fall for you."
I would definitely like to see you draw up a more tasteful and professional sample of the above paragraph.
Rekha
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| Puskar |
Posted
on 20-Jul-01 12:33 PM
I think Suman Pradhan brought up a good point.
> "US journalism...news and opinion is strictly separated for the sake of objectivity...
Now, shouldn't this also apply to Nepal? Journalism seems to be pushing the objectivity for political and social understanding among the people. If we are to emphasize on objectivity, it could certainly delegate and disseminate the understanding and actualization of what the objectivity is for our political and, perhaps, also the social settings. Unlike now, there would be less chaos in this way.
>"...sometimes to the point of absurdity."
A good point to ponder. I certainly agree that sometimes objectivity drives to a point of absurdity. In Nepal's case absurdity is driving objectivity. Think logically why we have never gained political stability. Maybe objectivity will flush out some absurdity before absurdity itself reigns over objectivity. A distinction should be made between apples and oranges. Unlike US, this is critical for Nepal because we are struggling to make that distinction.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 20-Jul-01 02:09 PM
Rekhaji:
I don't think we should restrict people about what they write. I
don't believe any politician or his wife so much that I want any
(budding) journalist to execercise restraint on writing about
him/her.
I personally hope Arju is as benevolent as she was when you left
her some years ago. But given the moral decadency of our
politicians, it is difficult to say when someone is changed.
Probably, You know about Mr Chataut, who is now supposedly the
most corrupt minister. Mr Chataut was considered to be clean MP in
Girija gang before.
Young Turk means the dissenting young leader which has influence
in the party. Use of young turk is very common in journalism, to
refer to some one like Deuba.Also, I don't favor this or that guy
in this power politics in Nepali Congress, but Deuba had his own
shares of mistakes too. He, fyi, was the first prime minister who
sent five of his ministers to Bangkok in the pretext of medical
check-up(probably using national treasury to finance their trip)
when he was facing no-confidence motion.So, I welcome any
journalist who wants to remind that past to him continuously even
when he ascends to prime ministership.
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| Rekha |
Posted
on 20-Jul-01 02:58 PM
Biswo
I don't know where you deduct your idea(s) from but it seems you did not read my posting properly.
I am not saying the publishing house should restrict anyone - GOD FORBID! I am merely stating that any good/reputable publishing house should be able to retain their standards by having a good editor who would look into such matters. If editors are a thing of past for Nepalese papers then Im totally out of context here.
Once again, Im not interested in Deuba/Arzu nor in their political lives. I don't care if Arzu is the same person that I knew or not. I care about how low down this person was!
Please read my previous postings where I have continously tried to point out that I don't know Arzu from a close perspective.
Let me ask you a question - Do you agree with the way Arzu/Deuba were attacked in the last paragraph?
No budding journalist should do that nor be given the right to publish anything as low as that.
Thats all.
I enjoy reading your postings/views and therefore, would not like to get into a tug-of-war here. You have your thoughts about Deuba/Arzu and I have my views on ethical points. People should learn NOT to cross that point on ANYBODY!!!!
Rekha
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 20-Jul-01 03:51 PM
Rekhaji:
First of all, I don't know who this man (Manoj) is, but it makes
sense to publish this article if Manoj is somebody from Girija
Camp. This article is low, and I don't agree with the comments
made against the children or spouse of Mr Deuba, and the specific
one comment in the last paragraph also.This article backfires on
the writer, as it can be seen here in this site also.
I didn't want to concentrate on the article of this man, because
I really don't know who Mr Rijal is.A Girija sycophant,a KTM based
elitist, a political hack, a journalist, I don't know. He seems
an obscure person to me.We are all free to ignore such article,
rather than raising a hullaballoo against that (if the writer is
an individual who lacks significant intellectual or professional
standing ).
All that matters to me is whether the involvement of Mrs Deuba
in pyramid scheme is true or not.And, if people are swindled or
not by the alleged scheme in Nepal.So,that's the only point I
raised after reading the article.Also, I am respectful to your
opinion, and your replies and I consider you to be an intellectual
person, so I didn't deduct from your paragraph that a person
should be restricted on writing his opinion.It was only a way I
started my comment.
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| GP |
Posted
on 25-Jul-01 04:19 AM
Dudha KO Sachi Biralo. = Cat being Guard of Milk ?
Afno Ang ma Bhaishi hideko nadekhne aruko angma . .. dekhne
bhanya Kantipur Publication and Gorkha Patra + Nepali
Mass Media.
If you don't believe, the following URL is one example.
http://www.geocities.www/greatavatars/KantiPDGorkhaPatraWar20010725.gif
PS. Appology, the part was copied and pasted and the header
of URL clearly acknowledges the source, this is for public
comments and educational purposes, hopefully, this does not
violate copy right law.
GP
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| GP |
Posted
on 25-Jul-01 04:21 AM
Corrected RUL: Dudha KO Sachi Biralo. = Cat being Guard of Milk ?
Afno Ang ma Bhaishi hideko nadekhne aruko angma . .. dekhne
bhanya Kantipur Publication and Gorkha Patra + Nepali
Mass Media.
If you don't believe, the following URL is one example.
http://www.geocities.com/greatavatars/KantiPDGorkhaPatraWar20010725.gif
PS. Appology, the part was copied and pasted and the header
of URL clearly acknowledges the source, this is for public
comments and educational purposes, hopefully, this does not
violate copy right law.
GP
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| Kapil |
Posted
on 28-Jul-01 12:33 PM
See nepalnews today...
Visiting US sec of state is mentioned as Christina Rebecca, Chritina Rocco, Christina Rocca in three different news reports. Now what are the editors doing?
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| GP |
Posted
on 31-Jul-01 09:54 AM
Basanta Lohani Wrote: (TKP, 30,July):
This is precisely, to begin with, what the Maoists worked so hard all these years to secure, intimidating the government and the constituency bound politicians to accept them as a force to be reckoned with outside the political boundary. In this legitimacy gaining exercise, they have thoroughly succeeded.
By going through 6years of anarchism and killing innocent peoples,
Basant Lohani calls it as a Hard Work. How many of us believe? on
this particulate paragraphs. Its a success on their side and thier
sympathizer "Kantipur Publication Ltd. and its writers" but,
surely its not to those who lost their lives for nothing. Its a shame
on Mr. Lohani. TKP and Kantipur Pub's writers, reporters and
so called human Rightists are all directly or indirectly Mukundo Dhari
peoples, they hardly perform their profession in unbiased way,
thus, don't have professionalism. Well, it will take many more
years to get professional journalists and writers.
Say No to so called Nepali VIPs (Vandalizers and Intellectual Prostitutes).
GP
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