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| Bhunte | Posted
on 06-Jan-04 03:42 PM
Illegal workers will be legalized.... - http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/elec04.prez.bush.immigration/index.html |
| llcoola | Posted
on 06-Jan-04 04:50 PM
Thanx for sharing this Bhunte |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 06-Jan-04 09:24 PM
I agree with this article posted at vdare.com: Bushýs Hispandering Hit On Social Security By Michelle Malkin [VDARE.COM note: Whatýs Hispandering? Click here!] My eight-week-old sonýs Social Security card recently arrived in the mail. On the back, thereýs a stern warning: ýImproper use of this card or number by anyone is punishable by fine, imprisonment or both.ý Welcome to the world of government theft and selective enforcement, my boy. While innocent babes who have yet to earn a penny are threatened with jail time for misusing Social Security cards, the Bush administration appears set this week to turn the ailing government pension program into an international relief fund for illegal alien workers who used counterfeit Social Security cards and stolen numbers to secure illegal jobs. Unlike the bedtime stories I tell at night, I am not making this up. This belated gift to the open-borders lobby and Mexican President Vicente Fox is part of a larger amnesty plan that has been in the works since before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. So, why exactly are we rewarding a country that has been obstinately opposed to the War on Terror? Go ask Mr. Brilliant, Karl Rove. This I do know: It couldnýt have come at a worse time from either a fiscal or national security standpoint. According to Rep. Clay Shaw (R-Fla.), chairman of House Ways and Means subcommittee on Social Security, benefits paid to retirees will exceed revenues in just 15 years. The pay-as-you-go system could go belly up as early as 2030. These projections donýt take into account the economic impact of the Bush proposal, which would allow untold millions of illegal aliens from Mexico to collect full cash benefits for themselves and their families from their home countryýwithout having to work the required number of years that law-abiding American citizens must work to be eligible for payouts. [See GAO report here.] Reporter Joel Mowbray, who first exposed this treachery a year ago, noted that this raw deal may well cost overburdened U.S. taxpayers $345 billion over the next 20 years. Probably much more. As we know from experience, Social Security projections are notoriously off the mark. The bureaucrats call this scheme ýtotalization.ý Try total prostration. The proposed agreement is nothing more than a transfer of wealth from those who play by the rules to those who willingly and knowingly mock our own immigration and tax laws. What are we doing promising lifetime Social Security paychecks to day laborers in Juarez when we canýt even guarantee those benefits to workers here at home? Unbelievably, the White House is trying to convince us to embrace this global ripoff because it ýrewards work.ý Noýit rewards criminal behavior. The plan will siphon off the hard-earned tax dollars of American workers who may never see a dime of their confiscated earnings and fork it over to foreigners guilty of at least four acts of federal law-breaking: crossing the border illegally, working illegally, engaging in tax fraud, and using bogus documents. Giving money to scam artists will simply result in more fraudýnot only by Mexican agricultural workers, but also by Middle Easterners such as Youssef Hmimssa, who provided fake Social Security numbers and fraudulent driversý licenses to members of an accused terrorist cell in Detroit. ýIf you have the right connection, you can get anything,ý he testified before the Senate last fall. The door is now open for all illegal aliens to collect retirement benefits using bogus Social Security cards. Whatýs next: survivorsý benefits for the families of the nineteen Sept. 11 hijackers? Michelle Malkin [email her] is author of Invasion: How America Still Welcomes Terrorists, Criminals, and Other Foreign Menaces to Our Shores. Click here for Peter Brimelowýs review. Click here for Michelle Malkin's website. |
| bhole_babaji | Posted
on 07-Jan-04 12:49 AM
In last 5 years this is the second time the illegal immigrants are getting amnesty. Clinton gave it and now Bush is giving it. It is all Election time baby. So what is the moral ? Stay in US illegally and you will get the green card within 5 years. how will legal immigrant get the green card ? Just keep one dreaming. you will get fingerprinted and photographed when you enter and leave USA... you might be a terroist What a shame Mr. Bush.... |
| EddieVedder | Posted
on 07-Jan-04 04:53 PM
Grrreat News...Now I can vote my illegal vote to President Bush on his re-election. We are not illegal aliens..as if we came from other illegal planet...we work as hard as any legal aliens or americans..we pay same amount of taxes and social security...why ppl who are legal or so called nepali-americans need to feel threatened or jealous about Bushy Prez' new immigration proposal, Just because us undocumented immigrants get a path to be legalized? Bhole_Babaji...this is not an amnesty..it is just a proposal to give a chance to undocumented workers a better treatment (more humane..so to speak in Bushy Prez' word)..they are not getting any so called "green card"..they can come forward from shadow of darkness of american society and apply for temporary workers' status. So that Uncle Sam can keep track of undocumented workers and where they are concentrated. It is better for both illegals and Uncle Sam. Khoi aru ta ke bhanne..tara ma jasto illegal nepali in amerika ko lagi ta khusi ko khabar ho yo..MOMO party garnu parla jasto chha...by the way..Nepali_angel and bhole babaji are both invited to my illegal Momo party......... |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 07-Jan-04 09:04 PM
Has anyone tried EB1 or EB2? If so, how it worked for you? Thx |
| qallu | Posted
on 07-Jan-04 09:31 PM
Bush said guest worker visas - not Amnesty!! I think its a great idea and if done right, in the long run will regulate immigration, weeding out illegals. It will protect the undocumented workers who are currently in the country and from uncrupulous employers, criminals, corrupt police and law enforcement officers. Smart move! And while it is also politically very savvy, considering the timing... the reaction from the Hispanics, many of whom have come out speaking against it, goes to show, that this move is hardly "hispandering"!! The Vdare article smacks of xenophobia and paranoia. |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 07-Jan-04 10:19 PM
Well, what are we promoting here, first of all, that it pays to break laws American laws, that if we somehow jump borders illegally, we might have a shot at working legally??? Yeah, if I could break into Wal Mart and steal things without the police noticing... The fine print basically is that crossing borders w/ no permission is CRIME. When Bush swore for presidency he promised to uphold American laws. Allowing illegals to seep in so easily is doing exactly the opposite. Tell you what, Bill O' Reilly today did a good job of explaining how this new program, or whatever you wanna call it, is amnesty in a way. When illegals have a shot at becoming an American citizen, it sure as hell is a toned down version of the '86 Amnesty BS that Reagan passed. Also, O' Reilly mentioned that illegals cost America 20 billion dollars every year, and even if all undocumented workers are legalised, the problem will be haunting America again, until and unless the borders are secured. That's the bottomline. Another thing is, 35% of legal Mexican Immigrants are not working. How about taking care of these unemployed Mexican workers first? And it's not just Mexican illegals I have a problem with, mind you, it's illegals of every background. "O'Reilly Factor Insider Briefing (1/07/04) BUSH PUSH Bill says this is a terrible idea - because it will simply encourage additional immigration to the USA, worsen the burden on U.S. social service programs, jack up our crime and poverty rates and reward illegal behavior (those who'd be receiving amnesty have broken the law by coming to the U.S. illegally already). "This is going to double or triple our immigration problems. Reagan said amnesty would work in '86 - and it didn't work because we have no one on the border. We are attracting Mexico's economic problems - 35% of LEGAL Mexican immigrants are on welfare! (Mexican President) Vincente Fox must be dancing over this. If I'm in Guatemala, or Mexico, and I'm poor - I'm on the next bus to the USA over this. It's insane. " " |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 07-Jan-04 10:22 PM
*shot at becoming American citizens. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 07-Jan-04 11:42 PM
More on the news from cnn - http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/immigration.congress/index.html |
| EddieVedder | Posted
on 08-Jan-04 12:34 AM
Boi oh boi..what a Joke..seems like somebody's folks got here in America illegally and got legal status somehow someway and now their offsprings doing poison vomit on fellow illegals.. Nepali-Angel: Well, what are we promoting here, first of all, that it pays to break laws American laws, that if we somehow jump borders illegally, we might have a shot at working legally??? Yeah, if I could break into Wal Mart and steal things without the police noticing... The fine print basically is that crossing borders w/ no permission is CRIME. Let me make clear first thing first. Granted..many mexicans and latinos do come here illegally risking thier lives and some do lose thier lives. But why ? It is all about American Dream. Everyone want to have a better life than they are having back home. And they do work hard no matter how underpaid and overworked they are. What kind of job they get? yes ma'am...your guess is good as mine. They work all those kind of jobs most americans won't do...have you ever seen workers working on road construction on interstates? you can count on your fingers the number of american working on those tough labor jobs. Have you ever went to any chicken plant? believe it or not, the chicken sandwich you bought in McDonald's drive thru would not have been possible if it were not for Mexican illegal worker who works 16 hrs a day in a stinky chicken plant everyday. Why the US business still allow them to work when they do not have any legal document to work? Deal with it folks ..no american or so called "legal" workers would put up that much of hardship. Furthermore , yours comparing illegal workers with stealing in walmart is not irrelevant..not even close. ..like you said 35% of legal mexican do not work..but how about illegal who really work..what about the taxes they pay..what about social security and medicare..have you ever bothered to calculate how much american government is making huge sum of "unaccounted" fund out of illegals? where does it all go? yes..they all go to "americans" when they get older or disabled ..so that they can draw out social security...is that legal..? Do you think ..those hardworking poor illegals really have any chance of claiming those benefits? Now who is breaking basic humane law? poor immigrant who works all the time or you so called legals and americans? Okay so much for the Unskilled labors.. Okay ..you said you have problem with illegals not only from mexico but also from other backgrounds as well.. unlike many mexicans, ppl from other part of the world come to US legally..may be through F-1 visa or as a tourist.But yeah ..if things do not work out for them they may overstay thier visa and become legal non- immigrants to undocumented immigrants. But so what..If a foreigner gets a degree from US college and if he gets a job but his employer is not willing to sponser him a H1B visa nevertheless let him work, don't you think corporate america is benefiing from thier knowledge they provide rather than losing anything? What's wrong with legalizing those people who are honest and hardworking and never did any felony..there are approx. 8 million undocumented workers in the US..lets' face it .."government can never deport them all ..if they do the whole counrty will collapse"(VP of US chamber of Commerce)..If the government give those undocumented workers some sort of legal status, it will help government to keep track of them and know exactly where they are for security reason. It will aslo helps government to assess how many foreign workers it would in future. Speaking of Bill O Rielly...that man is a knuckle head...he wont let anybody talk on his show and when they are actually talking he would cut them off in the middle..he is just anothe stupid "know it all" right wing white supremacist. Noone buys his views cuz he can not stomach anybody's. He gives a good comedy show anyways. He said 35% of legal mexicans are in welfare...has he ever bothered to calculate how many blacks are on welfare...has he ever bothered to go to a ghetto and see how pathetic life them brothers are living in da hood.. Anyways..it is really good decision by President Bush if his intention are not just to woo hispanicvotes in the election. If his intention are genuine and if it is really about welfare for undocumented workers, then it commendable. Adios |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 08-Jan-04 12:49 AM
EddieViddier, Illegal's offspring eventually go for pure nepali keta or keti when it is time for a marriage ni ta....he he |
| sankaa | Posted
on 08-Jan-04 12:27 PM
I agree with EddieViddier bro. Bill O' Reilly, is the most racist, most conservative fool, i've seen out there. I used to listen to his talk shows on radio and get so mad. I've broken about 2 radios just cuz he used to piss me off so bad with his racist views and baseless - redneck opinions. however, I kept listening to his shows for a little while cuz i wanted to hear such ppl's side of story too. So sad that you are using that kkk prick, O' Reilly as a to base your opinion Nepaliangle. |
| sankaa | Posted
on 08-Jan-04 12:34 PM
You made me your fan Eddie bro. America certainly needs smart and hardworking people like you rather than jelouse cry babies who don't work and can't see others working too. This is exactly what i've heard from some good professors too and i 100% agree to you; these following lines: ..what about social security and medicare..have you ever bothered to calculate how much american government is making huge sum of "unaccounted" fund out of illegals? where does it all go? yes..they all go to "americans" when they get older or disabled ..so that they can draw out social security...is that legal..? Do you think ..those hardworking poor illegals really have any chance of claiming those benefits? Now who is breaking basic humane law? poor immigrant who works all the time or you so called legals and americans? Okay so much for the Unskilled labors.. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 08-Jan-04 02:48 PM
has anyone tried green card based on first preference extra ordinary ability category? |
| EddieVedder | Posted
on 08-Jan-04 03:07 PM
Bhunte ji, HAMI PANI SUNUM NA TAPAI KO EXTRAORDINRY ABILITIES.... I HOPE I AM TALKING TO THE NEXT SUPERMAN...:) |
| patale | Posted
on 08-Jan-04 03:30 PM
HATS OFF TO EDDIE VEDDER............ bitter yet very authentive, totally impressed Eddie ji........ Bhunteji...I have not tried greencard based on extra-ordinary ability category, however I do know someone who was given greencard , citizenship infact based on his extraordinary ability. FOR FURTHER DETAIL: CONTACT PATALI 1-800-PATALI |
| NIRVANA | Posted
on 08-Jan-04 04:33 PM
Hey EDDIE Bro and Folks- Let's not all praise Bush, be all happy and throwing party yet. Bush is an ass. He is not sympathetic to us. He did say he, and most of the Republicans are too, is against the Amnesty and I think they are. Let's understand this Bushy Immigration plan first. Eddie Bro you said"unlike many Mexicans, ppl from other part of the world come to US legally..may be through F-1 visa or as a tourist. But yeah ..if things do not work out for them they may overstay their visa and become legal non- immigrants to undocumented immigrants.ý The catch and confusion here is with word UNDOCUMENTED. I believe people who overstay their visa, either tourist, FI or whatever Visa are DOCUMENTED(came through Port of Entry and INS has record of you) but now illegal immigrant. UNDOCUMENTED illegal worker Bush meant are people who crossed the border, don't pass through Port of Entry and INS doesnýt have record of them. I was all happy when I first heard Bushýs plan but when he started talking more only about tightening the Borders and Hispanics I was kind of confused. Since yesterday, I have contacted few people who work on Immigration field regarding this and they are confused too. It is still unclear and It looks like this plan is now targeted only to make Mr. Vincent Fox, Mexicans and people who crossed broder happy. It is election time and Bush wants vote from CHICANOs. Letýs hope this plan gets modified or UNDOCUMENTED word meaning will include also all the worker who entered USA with legal visa but overstayed for some hardshipý. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 08-Jan-04 04:35 PM
EdVed ji, hoina ma ek sadharan musafir matra ho. Wish I'm gifted with those talents, and haven't thought to be a superman even in my dream either. However, I came across with the category i mentioned earlier while web browsing just yesterday. Ani yeha haru maddhe kohi hunu hunchha ki bhanera sodheko ni. Most of us here are talking about how to turn illegal immigrant status to legalizing it by various means including seeking a local fat lady 8 for the purpose.... he he. However, it is not a so bad idea to hear from others who have achieved it. Patale ji, patali ko patent right imfringment gareko ho?? |
| confused | Posted
on 08-Jan-04 04:43 PM
HMmmMM looking at all this..i am thinking of starting a company which will bring IMMIGRANTS FROm Nepal and give them the garantee that within next 5 yrs they will be automatically recieve a "HARIYO TAAS">..whatch u all think abt this..wanna..add some money to this bussiness..its profitable....:D jk i think bush did do a good job...but yah its ELECTION TIME BABBBaYYY.. |
| EddieVedder | Posted
on 08-Jan-04 04:46 PM
YEAH ..YOU ARE RIGHT ON NIRVANA BRO.. I HAVE EXACT SAME DOUBT ON BUSHY PREZ...WHY WOULD HE BE ALL SYMPATHETIC TO US NOW WHEN THIS IS HIS FINAL YEAR AS A PRESIDENT FOR THIS PERIOD... AND YEAH THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ONLY HISPANICS ONLY..LETS WAIT AND SEE HOW WOULD THEY DEFINE WORD "UNDOCUMENTED".EVERYTHING WILL BE CLEAR BY THE TIME HIS PROPOSAL GETS TO THE CONGRESS TO BECOME A LAW.. WE WILL SEE IF IT IS FOR REAL OR JUST A MERE HOGWASH. |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 08-Jan-04 05:42 PM
" Granted..many mexicans and latinos do come here illegally risking thier lives and some do lose thier lives. But why ? It is all about American Dream." In other words, the so-called American Dream itself has failed hardworking, law-abiding AMERICAN people. The thing is, an action that's good for one isn't good for another. In other words, illegal immigrants can justify their actions by relying on the pretext that theirs was a hard life back home where they came from, but they don't see the flipside. The flipside, the opinion that the MAJORITY of Americans hold, is that illegal immigration is wrong, against American LAWS, and also a bane to American society, as it can drastically change demographics of a certain area. America won't be what it used to be because of this. And also, it is NOT GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY! "They work all those kind of jobs most americans won't do..." Wrong! They do jobs that most Americans won't do for lower wages. Businesses are actually violating major American Laws by doing that, and also taking away jobs from Americans and giving it to people who don't pay taxes. There are millions of unemployed Americans floating around due to recession, looking for jobs. Are you telling me that these desperate people wouldn't want to work just because it's menial labor? Desperation is what leads to people taking risks. While illegal immigrants cross borders because of their desperation and travails back home, unemployed Americans will grab any job they can/could had there been job openings. But too bad, there are illegal leeches who are not allowing "Why the US business still allow them to work when they do not have any legal document to work?" I think this is a valid question. Businesses, in my opinion, don't think of people's rights or problems in society had their been no laws against abusing fellow humans. They function only for profit. Businesses would probably make use of and abuse any loopholes in American laws, or would look for ways to circumvent getting caught. Since the government hasn't tackled this problem head-on, they can safely break laws, abuse people like they're animals, etc, etc. "Furthermore , yours comparing illegal workers with stealing in walmart is not irrelevant..not even close. ..like you said 35% of legal mexican do not work..but how about illegal who really work..what about the taxes they pay..what about social security and medicare..have you ever bothered to calculate how much american government is making huge sum of "unaccounted" fund out of illegals?" Also take into account the fact that there are 25% illegals who do not work. And you are wrong, illegal immigrants do not PAY taxes. Medicare? Give me a break. They shouldn't even be treated as equals to Americans. Some quotes: "According to Harvard Professor George Borjas, immigration costs American workers $133 billion annually in wage depression and job loss.In the past ten years, 2.3 million low skill American workers were displaced from their jobs due to the heavy influx of foreign workers. Taxpayers paid $15 billion in public assistance, Medicaid, food stamps and unemployment compensation to Americans who had lost their jobs to illegal immigrants" "Even more frightening, illegal immigrants as well as legal immigrants send $55.5 billion dollars back to their home countries--$14.5 to Mexico, $25 billion to South America and $16 billion to Asia-thus draining currency out of America. " "Currently, illegal and legal immigrants make up 25% of the U.S. prison population at an annual cost of $1 billion." For more, just copy-paste this link: http://michnews.com/artman/publish/article_1879.shtml " But so what..If a foreigner gets a degree from US college and if he gets a job but his employer is not willing to sponser him a H1B visa nevertheless let him work, don't you think corporate america is benefiing from thier knowledge they provide rather than losing anything? " You are wrong, because by stealing jobs from Americans, they are actually hurting the economy. It might help corporate America, but it means the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Is that what we want, or do we want more equality. I pick the latter. Your move. "What's wrong with legalizing those people who are honest and hardworking and never did any felony..there are approx. 8 million undocumented workers in the US." As I quoted above, 25% of US prison population is made up of illegals. "government can never deport them all ..if they do the whole counrty will collapse"(VP of US chamber of Commerce)..If the government give those undocumented workers some sort of legal status, it will help government to keep track of them and know exactly where they are for security reason. " Of course the economy is going to suffer if they're all booted out at once. This is not feasable either, but if it is a gradual process, so that they are slowly replaced by Americans, then it is actually possible. There is more to be gained if they're booted out due to the fact that illegals cost America billions of dollars. |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 08-Jan-04 05:42 PM
"Speaking of Bill O Rielly...that man is a knuckle head...he wont let anybody talk on his show and when they are actually talking he would cut them off in the middle..he is just anothe stupid "know it all" right wing white supremacist." No, you are wrong, Bill O' Reilly is a moderate right winger. There are some points he puts forth that are right on the money, while others miss by a margin. The guy is pro-environment, pro-gay rights, but a religious fanatic and against immigration. He says he is not a republican, but anybody who has read Al Franken's "Lies and the lying liars" knows that O' Reilly used to be a registered republican. He, however, claims that it was a mistake, and that he is really an independent. He is not that bad, actually. There are some good points he makes. "He gives a good comedy show anyways. He said 35% of legal mexicans are in welfare...has he ever bothered to calculate how many blacks are on welfare...has he ever bothered to go to a ghetto and see how pathetic life them brothers are living in da hood.. " Mmmm, he actually points out the position of blacks in American society quite a lot. He thinks it has to do with degradation of family values, and because of hip-hop culture. Of course I don't agree with him when he starts attacking hip-hop, of which I am an avid listener. "Anyways..it is really good decision by President Bush if his intention are not just to woo hispanicvotes in the election. If his intention are genuine and if it is really about welfare for undocumented workers, then it commendable. Adios " It actually is his intention. About 35% of hispanics voted for Bush in the 2000 election. Now the number has plummeted. So this is just another ploy of his to grab some more votes from minorities. Oh, and just so that everybody knows, I will be voting for a democrat, whether it be Howard Dean or Wes Clark, or any other candidate. |
| Bob Marley | Posted
on 08-Jan-04 08:38 PM
Nepali brothers/sisters... Here's what I think. Recently the H1 visa and offshoring American jobs been on the news a lot and many are becoming aware of it. You know..cheap labor in India,China. Americans are furious over the corporations exporting jobs. Bush's new immigration policy is definetly targetting the Hispanic voters, but many do not realise that eventually the big companies are going to use it the same way H1 and the other(L1???) visas were used to attract skilled workers. So what it means, Bush gains the Hispanic votes but the fruits lie ahead for big companies. They're not going to Mexico to get a skilled tomato picker. Are they? And keep in mind that the new policy will very restricted. So skilled programmer from India or skilled tomato picker from Mexico?. Hipanis people will cross the border the same way it used to be. No doubt about it. What is most important is that Bush will still help the big corporation as always. It's what we say,,,killing two birds with the same stone. Don't be fooled that it's for Mexican only. Eventually, it'll be somebody using the privelage. What do you say? |
| EddieVedder | Posted
on 09-Jan-04 12:55 AM
Nepali_Angel.. Your comments are no different than that retarded Bill O' Rielly's. No wonder you like his shows. you know all I have to say about your comments is "I don't buy it"(Like in Reilly's word). "In other words, the so-called American Dream itself has failed hardworking, law-abiding AMERICAN people. The thing is, an action that's good for one isn't good for another. In other words, illegal immigrants can justify their actions by relying on the pretext that theirs was a hard life back home where they came from, but they don't see the flipside. The flipside, the opinion that the MAJORITY of Americans hold, is that illegal immigration is wrong, against American LAWS, and also a bane to American society, as it can drastically change demographics of a certain area. America won't be what it used to be because of this. And also, it is NOT GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY! " Girl, which flip side are you talking about, oh probably the Reilly thinking huh... major Americans don't even care where one is from because they themselves do not know where their origins were. People like you who has a major ego about being born American or turned American has problems with stomaching the fact that America was once built by fellow immigrants. Are you threatened or jealous.... i smell something burning already. Now let me tell you about demographics, more than 30 % of population in San Francisco or Seattle are Chinese or of oriental origins ... the demographics has definitely changed, but look how developed those cities are. This shows that if a society can embrace change then why canýt you? You may be fascinated with the KLU KLUX KLAN and their preaching and you and your folks may own a trailer in a shitty ass trailer park in downtown Greenbow, Alabama if not, your thoughts are no better than those ignorant rednecks and hicks. Immigrants are always hard workers than the natives. You may say because they have no other choice but they work hard out of desperation but do you not know that desperate are also those who have a family and who do not have governments paying for their rent or providing food stamps. You say Americans need the job, I will be happy to let my fellow immigrants teach you how to pick tomatoes or clean the chicken you eat every night. I am sure there are many vacancies at the Tyson chicken factory .. Why do you not send me some names of your desperate american friends who are unemployed; I would be glad to refer them starting at the sanitation department. Suck it up angel grl, The fact is many Americans are lazy, they would rather sit in the house watch TV, drink beer, get laid, produce babies and have the government pay their welfare. How sorry is thatý you cannot always blame Mexicans or any immigrants who do the same , do you know why because they get Americanized and learn the very way of sitting on their asses and make money. .American dream huhý I guess u can imagine who the leeches are now; if you canýt either you do not have any vision power or you must be dumb. |
| EddieVedder | Posted
on 09-Jan-04 12:57 AM
ýI think this is a valid question. Businesses, in my opinion, don't think of people's rights or problems in society had their been no laws against abusing fellow humans. They function only for profit.ý I do not care if all businesses in your county function for profit. You said businesses take every advantage of the loopholesý. Then shut the damn holes. If you are making a humane cry about foreign nationals migrating to America, find a fault in yourself first than to point at others. No immigrant decides to leave a family behind knowing that there are no possible jobs in America. ýAlso take into account the fact that there are 25% illegals who do not work. And you are wrong, illegal immigrants do not PAY taxes. Medicare? Give me a break. They shouldn't even be treated as equals to Americansý. Seems like you have never seen a payroll check. Are you saying that all illegal immigrants get paid under the table (cash)? I am sure Wal-Mart didnýt. or any construction company didnýt nor did any chicken plant like Tyson. When a corporate company pays an employee it has to be a payroll check not cash or personal check. It is a basic labor law. If you get a chance to look at a payroll check stub, you will see there is a deduction section breaking down amounts for Medicare (yeah you really need to give me a break now), FICA , Federal Tax and State Tax. Medicare is withdrawn 2.1% of total income and Fica is 6.4% of total income and fed and state tax depends upon how many dependents you claim and also on single or married status you put on W-4 forms when you apply for the employment. Now if illegal immigrants are paying that every week why should they not be treated the same. Certain amount of taxes are withheld from everyoneýs paycheck whether they like it or not. Now donýt tell me that all illegal put ýexemptý on their taxes on W-4s. Yes Maýam illegal immigrantsý DO pay taxes. It is funny that you do not even know simple facts as such. You really did make a good joke out of yourself. "According to Harvard Professor George Borjas, immigration costs American workers $133 billion annually in wage depression and job loss.In the past ten years, 2.3 maillion low skill American workers were displaced from their jobs due to the heavy influx of foreign workers. Taxpayers paid $15 billion in public assistance, Medicaid, food stamps and unemployment compensation to Americans who had lost their jobs to illegal immigrants" You can do all the math; I do not care for the quotes. If I had the time to research and look for quotes you would probably be hiding under the table. Rather than cutting and pasting come up something thatýs original. Be a nepali sport and support what your own fellas are going throughý if you canýt be happy for them take your redneck podunck behind back to green bow Alabama. "As I quoted above, 25% of US prison population is made up of illegals.ý Well then we illegals are paying for 75 % of legal prison population. Again the burden are shared by all of us. So stop complaining about you all paying for the one fourth of criminal population. Of course the economy is going to suffer if they're all booted out at once. This is not feasable either, but if it is a gradual process, so that they are slowly replaced by Americans, then it is actually possible. There is more to be gained if they're booted out due to the fact that illegals cost America billions of dollars. Why on earth do you think that we illegals are going to be nice to you? If you want us out the country send all at onceý if you want us to suffer we want you to suffer as wellý but anyways why dun you dare to kick all of the aliens out at once and see how your economy does .. Chickened out already? ý Of course I don't agree with him when he starts attacking hip-hop, of which I am an avid listener.ý Look you and I agree to disagree that all he (bill O Reilly) says is true or could be taken into consideration so whatýs the point on arguing on that matter. He is a stupid republican anyways. ýOh, and just so that everybody knows, I will be voting for a democrat, whether it be Howard Dean or Wes Clark, or any other candidate. ý Too bad you are going to vote for Howard Dean. Read what he says following the title ýIf immigrants work & pay taxes, give them citizenshipý if you need more info please check out the following site www.issues2000.org/2004/Howard_Dean_Immigration.htm Peace Out, Eddie Vedder |
| EddieVedder | Posted
on 09-Jan-04 01:00 AM
ýI think this is a valid question. Businesses, in my opinion, don't think of people's rights or problems in society had their been no laws against abusing fellow humans. They function only for profit.ý I do not care if all businesses in your county function for profit. You said businesses take every advantage of the loopholesý. Then shut the damn holes. If you are making a humane cry about foreign nationals migrating to America, find a fault in yourself first than to point at others. No immigrant decides to leave a family behind knowing that there are no possible jobs in America. ýAlso take into account the fact that there are 25% illegals who do not work. And you are wrong, illegal immigrants do not PAY taxes. Medicare? Give me a break. They shouldn't even be treated as equals to Americansý. Seems like you have never seen a payroll check. Are you saying that all illegal immigrants get paid under the table (cash)? I am sure Wal-Mart didnýt. or any construction company didnýt nor did any chicken plant like Tyson. When a corporate company pays an employee it has to be a payroll check not cash or personal check. It is a basic labor law. If you get a chance to look at a payroll check stub, you will see there is a deduction section breaking down amounts for Medicare (yeah you really need to give me a break now), FICA , Federal Tax and State Tax. Medicare is withdrawn 2.1% of total income and Fica is 6.4% of total income and fed and state tax depends upon how many dependents you claim and also on single or married status you put on W-4 forms when you apply for the employment. Now if illegal immigrants are paying that every week why should they not be treated the same. Certain amount of taxes are withheld from everyoneýs paycheck whether they like it or not. Now donýt tell me that all illegal put ýexemptý on their taxes on W-4s. Yes Maýam illegal immigrantsý DO pay taxes. It is funny that you do not even know simple facts as such. You really did make a good joke out of yourself. |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 09-Jan-04 09:42 AM
"Yes Maýam illegal immigrantsý DO pay taxes" Then refute my quotes. Most don't. "If I had the time to research and look for quotes you would probably be hiding under the table. Rather than cutting and pasting come up something thatýs original" It takes me only a minute to find quotes to refute your silly rebuttals, really. If I can do it so easily, so should you, but I imagine you can't do so easily because you are on the wrong side. Also, we are talking about facts, and facts need to be backed up. Otherwise, I don't think it's worth arguing with you. "Well then we illegals are paying for 75 % of legal prison population. Again the burden are shared by all of us. So stop complaining about you all paying for the one fourth of criminal population. " Hah, don't lump all illegals together. Most illegals don't pay taxes. Americans are paying for these scums, not you. Read my link above regarding this. The 25% of prisoners illegals, which means that illegals make a big number there. So, this is another reason why illegals should be sent back to where they came from. "If you want us out the country send all at onceý if you want us to suffer we want you to suffer as wellý but anyways why dun you dare to kick all of the aliens out at once and see how your economy does " Hah, no, I care about the future and America's economic stability. I just described what I considered to be an ideal situation. "Too bad you are going to vote for Howard Dean. Read what he says following the title ýIf immigrants work & pay taxes, give them citizenshipý if you need more info please check out the following site" I am voting for Howard Dean anyway. Immigration issue is just a fish in a vast ocean. There are other problems that need to be dealt with. Also, my ideal candidate would be Wes Clark, not Dean. I know what Dean has to say about immigration, he is a democrat after all. |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 09-Jan-04 09:42 AM
"major Americans don't even care where one is from because they themselves do not know where their origins were" The majority of Americans DO KNOW their background, and only from their last names can they actually tell their ethnic backgrounds. For instance, someone with last name Pacino can only be Italian, but of course he could have Irish or any other admixture. It's not very hard to trace one's ancestry in America. Mormons are known to be very interested in geneology. When you make comments like these , I expect you to back it up with sources. " People like you who has a major ego about being born American or turned American has problems with stomaching the fact that America was once built by fellow immigrants" Just because America was built by immigrants doesn't mean that TODAY'S America doesn't have laws. It's a well known fact that in states like California and Texas, Hispanics have been living even before the Anglos came to these areas. And the crux of the matter is that these Hispanic Americans oppose illegal immigration, because WHAT MATTERS is their job security and stability. "more than 30 % of population in San Francisco or Seattle are Chinese or of oriental origins ... the demographics has definitely changed, but look how developed those cities are. This shows that if a society can embrace change then why canýt you?" When the dam is broken, and immigrants flood in, then of course there is a big problem. Somewhere in New Jersey, there was a flood of Somalian immigrants that completely destroyed the unique culture of that place, and the Mayor explicitly asked Somalian immigrants to stop allowing for more immigrants to enter. Most Americans do not want illegal immigration, and it's a fact. As I always like to back up my statements, here is a link for you: http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/Roperpoll_0303.html "Virtually All Americans Believe Illegal Immigration Is a ýSeriousý Problem; Majority Believes It Is ýVery Seriousý This is a typical poll, and a good reflection of what Americans think about this colossal problem, that doesn't seem to go away like some chronic disease one is afflicted with. Now if anybody says Americans don't care about immigration, (s)he has a knack for pulling things out of his backside, as simple as that. If you want to argue with me, be more objective. "Immigrants are always hard workers than the natives. " Hah, so what? When America has more than 10% citizens living under the poverty level, you're telling me that illegals are good for America? " Why do you not send me some names of your desperate american friends who are unemployed; I would be glad to refer them starting at the sanitation department." They humbly reject your offer, Mr illegal immigrant, because they want minimum wage, at least . Just coz your kinfolks wouldn't mind working for less than minimum wage, it doesn't mean Americans would. Most of you don't even pay taxes, for god's sakes. You leech off hardworking Americans. You cost American citizen billions of dollars. It's all the fault of illegal immigrants. "The fact is many Americans are lazy, they would rather sit in the house watch TV, drink beer, get laid, produce babies and have the government pay their welfare" That's called standards, unlike illegals, who don't mind living in clumped up apartments, shanties with doo doo and sewage seeping everywhere. This is also one of the causes of decadence in America, really. Americans are one of the hardest working people in the world. Americans are the most workaholic people in the entire world, and indeed the Japanese are a close second. Someone recently did a research regarding this, and this is what they came up with. Now the Japs used to work 10 hrs a day before, but nowadays they work fewer hours. Back up your statements please " It is a basic labor law. If you get a chance to look at a payroll check stub, you will see there is a deduction section breaking down amounts for Medicare (yeah you really need to give me a break now), FICA , Federal Tax and State Tax" The majority of illegals are working under the table without paying taxes. Those that do pay taxes might be booted, like it recently happened to Wal Mart undocumented employees. I already provided evidence regarding this. There shouldn't even be an argument, really. The fact is that the majority of illegals don't pay taxes as they are hired off the books, but they do get services like medicaid and such that are provided by the government. In other words, they are basically using our tax dollars for their needs. So, for all purposes, most journalists don't even bother to make the distinction between those that pay taxes and those don't because most don't pay taxes. They are paid cash. To quote: "Illegal immigrants don't pay taxes but do consume government services, especially medical care and education. By law, these services cannot be denied them. In fact, it's illegal for a hospital even to inquire about a patient's citizenship or immigration status" http://www.fortune.com/fortune/valuedriven/0,15704,565325,00.html |
| EddieVedder | Posted
on 09-Jan-04 11:22 AM
"Then refute my quotes. Most don't" They DO pay taxes. And i have already given you an example about payroll taxes. Do you know any business that do not issue payroll checks? Do you think they pay with cash. Just give me an example of any company who do not issue payroll checks. Your statement is dumb as of those rednecks. If you have never seen one then I will be happy to show you one Becuase I work as a Payroll Administrator myself and payroll is my bread and butter. Maybe I can help you with filing your tax return for year 2003. I know how to tweak system and I promise that you will get a lot in return as possible there is. "It takes me only a minute to find quotes to refute your silly rebuttals, really. If I can do it so easily, so should you, but I imagine you can't do so easily because you are on the wrong side. Also, we are talking about facts, and facts need to be backed up. Otherwise, I don't think it's worth arguing with." It is not a big a deal to copy and paste from someone else quotes. I can come up with thousands if you want to me to criticize your stupid "know it all" comments. But why should I? I think I can handle your idiotic remarks with my own originals with out quoting from here and there. yeah you are right it is not worth arguing with quotes cuz the problem with stupid people like you is first they bring you down to their level with their stupudity and beat with their experience. "Hah, don't lump all illegals together. Most illegals don't pay taxes. Americans are paying for these scums, not you. Read my link above regarding this. The 25% of prisoners illegals, which means that illegals make a big number there. So, this is another reason why illegals should be sent back to where they came from." Again talking about illegals not paying taxes. How many times do I have to show you examples. No wonder stupid is as stupid does. "Hah, no, I care about the future and America's economic stability. I just described what I considered to be an ideal situation. " "Double standard right there. You are re-enforcing my statement. Seems like you are taking things too personally and you are acting more conservative than the conservatives themselves. You are making that Senator of Colorado look like a stupid maggot. No No..I would say you are making that dumb Pat Buchanan look like a miniature conservative. No wonder that stupid redneck lost the presidential election. "I am voting for Howard Dean anyway. Immigration issue is just a fish in a vast ocean. There are other problems that need to be dealt with. Also, my ideal candidate would be Wes Clark, not Dean. I know what Dean has to say about immigration, he is a democrat after all." If immigration was just a fish in a vast ocean, your KKK thoughts would be not shouting your lungs out about how threatened you are and how jealous you are. If your ocean was so vast who cares about a fish whethere it is dead or alive. It's good that you know exatly what Dean has to say about immigrants and you do not have to hide your face in the sand. Speaking of Wes Clark, why don't you go and see this web link below: http://www.texasforclark.com/immigration.htm Yeah of course they both are democrats and you are gonna vote for thier policy and everything comes in the package. How iro Anyways.. Immigrants are here to stay. Cry me a river about it but they are not going anywhere..Last but not the least, I have only one thing to say "GET OVER IT" Immigrant_ Angel....ooops I meant to say Nepali_Angel. |
| EddieVedder | Posted
on 09-Jan-04 11:24 AM
* How ironic |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 09-Jan-04 11:51 AM
Iif you wanna argue with me, give me sources. I trust journalists who have spent time doing research, unlike your opinionated piece of crap that you don't seem to be able to back up. I have provided numerous examples whereby illegals can dupe the government off of taxes. Immigrants get paid in cash in order to avoid a paper trail that can inevitably lead them to getting booted. And eat your words now, Here is a good quote to refute your dumb argument: "Lee Martinez, ("Taxation without representation," Forum, Dec. 27) says that illegal immigrants pay taxes, but don't get to vote. Wrong on both counts. Here in California, the illegals form a huge underground economy that starves the very social services they use because they are paid in cash and thus escape both state and federal withholding taxes. " http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Dec/12302003/public_f/124455.asp I hope you understand, or if you still don't then you're just too thick. "If you have never seen one then I will be happy to show you one Becuase I work as a Payroll Administrator myself and payroll is my bread and butter" Looks like your third tier university that you graduated from didn't teach you squat. Read my source above, there are ways to avoid paying taxes. As can be read above, most immigrants don't pay taxes. Now Vedder can't find any citations to back himself up, so he is just whining like a kid. Is the only word you know "payroll"? What the hell is your point, that all illegals paid the same way? What a stupid comment. " think I can handle your idiotic remarks with my own originals with out quoting from here and there" Nope, you are just whining. You might be pulling things out of your behind w/o sources, so back up your silly remarks. You're an illegal immigrant, you're not welcome here. Get the hell out. " many times do I have to show you examples" Examples? Where are your examples? You haven't even given one example to back up your claim. You're just a whiner. I have quoted from so many sources to back up my statements, you on the other hand make inane comments like, "Oh, all illegals pay taxes". That is so dumb. You are dumb. "Seems like you are taking things too personally and you are acting more conservative than the conservatives themselves" Of course I take it personally when millions of Americans have lost their jobs and stupid leeches, your kinfolks, on the other hand, are enjoying life comfortably, when fact of the matter is, you are violating American laws and working illegally. If anybody here doesn't see anything wrong in that, he/she must be an illegal immigrant, or at least must have worked illegally in the past. "Cry me a river about it but they are not going anywhere..Last but not " Ah, don't be too sure. It's easy to boot you out, really. Just need a government who thinks for the American people. Another thing is pro-immigration doesn't mean pro illegal immigration. Get that through your thick skull, fool. Don't forget that it was Reagan the republican who granted amnesty the last time I checked, not Clinton. It is the Republican party that panders to corporate America, not the democratic party. |
| EddieVedder | Posted
on 09-Jan-04 01:43 PM
The majority of Americans DO KNOW their background, and only from their last names can they actually tell their ethnic backgrounds. For instance, someone with last name Pacino can only be Italian, but of course he could have Irish or any other admixture. It's not very hard to trace one's ancestry in America. Mormons are known to be very interested in geneology. When you make comments like these , I expect you to back it up with sources. It is good that you know where you or your folks came from and that is exactly what I do not undertsand is why so much of hatred on your own kind. Is it becuase you got 1.5 GPA in college degree and you could not compete with some "Rajiv" from India or "Ram" from Nepal while you tried to land on some executive type of Job and instead you ended up mopping the McDonalds' ladies restroom? "Just because America was built by immigrants doesn't mean that TODAY'S America doesn't have laws. It's a well known fact that in states like California and Texas, Hispanics have been living even before the Anglos came to these areas. And the crux of the matter is that these Hispanic Americans oppose illegal immigration, because WHAT MATTERS is their job security and stability" Of course no one here is denying Today's america does not have laws..Duh.... But there is already situation on hand to deal with all those illegals right now and in George Bush own words that law is not working and everyone knows about it... There has to be some compassionate and productive way to deal with it. You are just aggravating the situation with your stupid remarks about illegals and you are not being constructive about it. "When the dam is broken, and immigrants flood in, then of course there is a big problem. Somewhere in New Jersey, there was a flood of Somalian immigrants that completely destroyed the unique culture of that place, and the Mayor explicitly asked Somalian immigrants to stop allowing for more immigrants to enter. Most Americans do not want illegal immigration, and it's a fact." Yes the immigrants are already here now what you gonna do about it. You have to set up some feasible system to deal with it. Your genocidal thoughts is not helping the cause. Do you think they all should be put on concentration camp so that they won't destroy your so called "unique culture" ? Or should they be treated like Japs in second world war? so that they can not move freely and you can preserve your coveted culture with you whiny statements. There has always been wave of migration from all over the world to the US. That's how this country always has been. Few years later, you and your rehoteric will be forgotten and your thoughts will be as obsolete as that of KKK. Why don't you dare and talk like that in the china town of San Francisco.. yeah you are right..you will be lynched to your last breath. They humbly reject your offer, Mr illegal immigrant, because they want minimum wage, at least . Just coz your kinfolks wouldn't mind working for less than minimum wage, it doesn't mean Americans would. Most of you don't even pay taxes, for god's sakes. You leech off hardworking Americans. You cost American citizen billions of dollars. It's all the fault of illegal immigrants. Lazy they are. They would rather sit on their tail and collect all those welfare and live in projects rather than working and living an ethical life. But system has to work somehow someway. If it is not for illegal immigrants your chicken sandwich would cost $15 not $ 2. Everytime you eat at restaurant and gobble up your sanwich you better say a prayer for those illegal immigrants and praise your lord for providing food at reasonable price and yes ..Amen. .. Jesus..again talking about paying no taxes..I do not have to say anything about it cuz you are just repeating your same old statment and all you have to say is they do not pay taxes..it is getting old and boring. That's called standards, unlike illegals, who don't mind living in clumped up apartments, shanties with doo doo and sewage seeping everywhere. This is also one of the causes of decadence in America, really. Americans are one of the hardest working people in the world. Americans are the most workaholic people in the entire world, and indeed the Japanese are a close second. Someone recently did a research regarding this, and this is what they came up with. Now the Japs used to work 10 hrs a day before, but nowadays they work fewer hours. Back up your statements please What standard? that is not even standard. that is outright lousiness and you are proud of it. Is that American dream in according to you? Feeding yourself and your family through welfare and watch football every sunday drinking beer in your trailor? If that is your so called standard then I pity you. what a shame . Well why don't you tell me the name of your "someone" who did the research regarding the most workaholic people. like you said" you like to back up your statement with example" otherwise stop plagiarizing. "The majority of illegals are working under the table without paying taxes. Those that do pay taxes might be booted, like it recently happened to Wal Mart undocumented employees. I already provided evidence regarding this. There shouldn't even be an argument, really. The fact is that the majority of illegals don't pay taxes as they are hired off the books, but they do get services like medicaid and such that are provided by the government. In other words, they are basically using our tax dollars for their needs. So, for all purposes, most journalists don't even bother to make the distinction between those that pay taxes and those don't because most don't pay taxes. They are paid cash" Give me a break..unless they work for some private restaurants or Gas station by some South-Asian, everyone gets payroll checks. Let me tell you something.. there is not coordination between IRS and INS. They both are totally different governing body. There is no connection between paying taxes and them mexicans being booted out. How far-fetched your theory is. Why don't you give some stupid link that says that says those undocumented workers were detained by INS just because they paid the taxes. Actually they were not wal-mart employees they were contract workers hired by temp staff services. Your parroting about" them getting paid cash " theory holds no water. prove me wrong. Peace out Eddie Vedder |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 09-Jan-04 02:52 PM
"It is good that you know where you or your folks came from and that is exactly what I do not undertsand is why so much of hatred on your own kind." Oh, really now? You think it's hatred to hate a criminal? What are you implying here, that, for example, just b/c one is black, one has to support Michael Jackson? This is exactly the sort of twisted logic that has been keeping us behind. No, I follow my own logic and come up with my own conclusions. I don't support my own people blindly. That's BS logic. "there is already situation on hand to deal with all those illegals right now and in George Bush own words that law is not working and everyone knows about it" Two wrongs don't make one right. If we legalize undocumented workers again, it only will motivate more illegals to come here illegally, and to me, it appears the situation will exacerbate geometrically. Reagan granted amnesty once, and the problem didn't go away, as we have more undocumented workers here than before. Is that what we want, or do we want a safe, productive America? Hardly a solution what Bush has proposed. Blah. "Your genocidal thoughts is not helping the cause. Do you think they all should be put on concentration camp so that they won't destroy your so called "unique culture" My thoughts aren't genocidal, in fact it would save America. Illegals are invading America, literally. Invasion, do you understand? So when they are the culprits invading America, how would those on the defensive be the culprits? You don't make sense. Nobody's calling for genocide, they only need to be booted, albeit legally. That's all. "There has always been wave of migration from all over the world to the US. That's how this country always has been." Yes, but since the inception of America, the immigrants were mostly legal. They didn't break American Laws to get here, unlike modern immigrants. The new ones are just criminals. "Why don't you dare and talk like that in the china town of San Francisco.. yeah you are right..you will be lynched to your last breath. " Depends on what type of Asians you are talking to. It's called freedom of speech. Hell, here in DC, I even see neonazis holding talkshows once in a while, even though DC is a very diverse place. Everybody knows that after White Americans, Asian Americans are the most conservative group in the US. So, what's your point anyway?? "They would rather sit on their tail and collect all those welfare and live in projects rather than working and living an ethical life" You're pretty funny. Read this from: http://www.cis.org/topics/costs.html "Even though illegal aliens make little use of welfare, from which they are generally barred, the costs of illegal immigration in terms of government expenditures for education, criminal justice, and emergency medical care are significant. California has estimated that the net cost to the state of providing government services to illegal immigrants approached $3 billion during a single fiscal year. The fact that states must bear the cost of federal failure turns illegal immigration, in effect, into one of the largest unfunded federal mandates. " Maybe not welfare, but almost like it, now ain't it? "If it is not for illegal immigrants your chicken sandwich would cost $15 not $ 2. Everytime you eat at restaurant and gobble up your sanwich you better say a prayer for those illegal immigrants and praise your lord for providing food at reasonable price and yes ..Amen. .. " Yes, it does make a difference, but the difference isn't that big as the immigration advocates make it out to be. There have been numerous studies done on this issue. Furthermore, with no illegal immigration, the cost created by them will also tumble. So, there is more to gain than lose if this problem is taken care of. It's as simple as that. "Jesus..again talking about paying no taxes..I do not have to say anything about it cuz you are just repeating your same old statment and all you have to say is they do not pay taxes..it is getting old and boring" Checkmate. I have a quote above in my previous posting that is totally opposite the picture that you paint. Read it and you might learn something. "Well why don't you tell me the name of your "someone" who did the research regarding the most workaholic people" Sure, according to: http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/newsroom_releases_swa090102 "America remains the reigning workaholic nation, according to this year's edition. Not only does the U.S. economy employ a larger share of its working age people, the average worker worked 1,877 hours in 2000 - more than in any other rich, industrialized country. At the same time, Americans reap fewer benefits for these extra hours, whether in the form of more vacation or holiday time or paid leave time of the sort provided by almost every other advanced economy to care for their families." I have a European friend who has worked in Europe, and she clearly sees the difference. Why can't you? "unless they work for some private restaurants or Gas station by some South-Asian, everyone gets payroll checks" Just to irritate you, back it up with sources please. "Your parroting about" them getting paid cash " theory holds no water. prove me wrong. " I already proved you wrong. Read my previous post. |
| Newtien | Posted
on 09-Jan-04 05:20 PM
I think both Angel and Eddie should take it easy. The postings, casting aspersions on immigrants and americans are a clear manifestation of hatred, implicit racism and low life of the authors. These ignominious postings will only defame this lively website and that is a bother. Any Alien, who is willing to earn his living and co-exist, should be embraced. Even if he is from MARS. BTW, the latest pictures from Mars were great. I hope they find life, 'accomodating people' and kewl chicks there. That is my next dream - to spend my retirement in Mars. Ofcourse, as an Illegal Immigrant. Any objections... |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 09-Jan-04 08:36 PM
Nepali Angel and EdVed, healthy discussion get going.........Nepali angel sounds more like Constitutional Lawyer or Demographer and EdVed like Immigration Lawyer...ehehe Beside election time policy hopes or hoaxes, Americans indeed prefer varieties in their menu. And those already in the country may be a better option than to invite influx of new waves of foreign aliens in the country. The other reasons could be driving down wage rate to a lower level, and avoiding flight of american $$ from the country. For example, if an illegal alien has saved $10,000 per person per year, that will also save a total of 80 billion dollar per year that will remain in the country..... |
| EddieVedder | Posted
on 09-Jan-04 10:43 PM
Seems like I really hit upon your nerve badly,you are taking this way too personally. wait till you hear this: As an illegal i have $250,000 house, 2 cars and guess what i am illegal and i love every part of it. I have a succesful career; and guess what I am already married to a blonde. (soon in the path to be a citizen haha) Even she is laughing at your stupidity. I would rather spend my time with my family than to discuss with your podunk redneck ideas anyway. Unlike your theory, I PAY taxes and guess what i challenge you to deport me. if you can't stop shouting on top of your lungs about immigrants then go start your own rallies on why and how to stop immigrants. You and your views should be banned from this site and by the way this is saja not central park.If you feel that you are superior by being supposedly born here get your ass and your comments in your freaking bill o reilly show and your stinky behind is not welcome here. so you get the hell out of here. Oh are you saying that hell is full so you came back? If your barking is not finished...let me tell you this sajha belongs to nepali community who feel for each other not to someone so callous.By the way, If you want your voice to be heard, go to Homeland security and tell your biblical epic about immigrants to them. May be they will listen to you with out arguing. Maybe they will even love you for your views. Cheers to you but I am saying openly I am an illegal and I challenge you to boot me outta here, like i said earlier. Lets see who's side is stronger. And yes get a life! you seem to do nothing but wait for replies. Are you on welfare by the way ... do you not have to work? and even if you do, seems like u work at a drive thru nearby Mcdonalds working at minimum wage . you must be working shifts don't you poor lil grl chuk chuk. And yes if you do not work at one... go get a job!!!! Peace out Eddie Veddar P.S . There she goes there she goes again.. with her blah blah blah and its falling upon deaf ears and she is still shouting....and *yawn* it is old and boring. But you gave a good laugh to everyone here in sajha, if you want you keep your "nautanki" please continue your solo kukkur bhukai .. but it is time for Ed Ved to move on and make some illegal babies..mera santan harule america dhakos..Jai Nepal :) |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 10-Jan-04 07:18 AM
"As an illegal i have $250,000 house, 2 cars and guess what i am illegal and i love every part of it" Guess what, you could be my gatekeeper if you want. I am a billionaire with have 9 cars and 4 trucks, 13 boats and 12 jets. You're just a pauper in front of me. You're a nobody. I would probably be able to pimp your grimy derriere for 300k/year if I wanted to. $250,000 house, so what? Is that a lot? Every Tom, Dick and Harry has a house. But fact is you're an illegal and don't have as much right as I do. You're a scum to society. No American wants you. You're shunned upon. "and guess what I am already married to a blonde. (soon in the path to be a citizen haha" Hahaha, you're so stupid. It's pretty funny how a fresh off the boat Nepali illegal has managed to lose his identity and marry a blonde. Now if it were a Nepali born in the US, then I would probably understand it, but who would fall for someone with thick curry accent and smells like spices? Yeah, I imagine your blonde is a fat bloke of a couch potato who watches TV 24/7, munching on some chips and licking her fingers every once in a while, while at the same time fingering her puntang with another. Dang, she sounds like a nasty fatso. I have never met a single NEPALI male who has ended up with a goodlooking American, because goodlooking Americans tend to stay with their own kind. As simple as that. "Unlike your theory, I PAY taxes and guess what i challenge you to deport me" Sure, I will deport you if you give me your home address. Give it to me right now, if you're not a chickenshit of a fresh off the boat of an ugly sombrero wearing piece of shiznit. But I know you won't. So. Buck buck buck buck buck buck buck. Hahahaha. "You and your views should be banned from this site and by the way this is saja not central park" If I am banned, it must be the work of an illegal immigrant riled up b/c of my attitude towards illegal immigration. So trust me, I am not going to be banned. Just because you can't argue with me doesn't mean someone else can't. I bitchslapped you like I bitchslapped my ex-husband during my divorce hearing. "let me tell you this sajha belongs to nepali community who feel for each other not to someone so callous" Just a sentence. Only illegal Nepali immigrants would find me callous. " you seem to do nothing but wait for replies" I was going to say the same about you. I can work any time I want to. I have my own successful business, and I don't hire, to use the euphemism, "undocumented workers" like yourself. So, how does that make you feel? I am a businesswoman making good $$$, and proud to be one. "even if you do, seems like u work at a drive thru nearby Mcdonalds working at minimum wage" As someone(you of course!) said earlier you and your illegal friends would be a better candidate for working at McDondald's. You're an illegal after all, and they'll hire you in a jiffy probably. Awwww. Whoops I just spilled my drink. Come clean it up. "it is time for Ed Ved to move on and make some illegal babies" I spanked you, now didn't I? I owned you. You can't even argue. I hope you don't reply. If you do, you're angered with this posting of mine. |
| Jhilke | Posted
on 10-Jan-04 08:47 AM
Nepali Angel and Ed VED I have been following this thread for a couple of days. It was very interesting but i am kind of sad that its ending. And just to let you know that I am full time student at a University of UTH. But I am going to point out that angel has put her own foot in the mouth when she described Ed Veds wife, It always good to be an imaginative person but angel took it too far. I think you brought major americans on lime lite which was ved's comments in one of the threads anyway americans being the ones that are lazy. And also. Ed Ved was defending his point on your comment about illegals living in a shitty apartments I bet noone here in sajha cares how much one makes. BTW, Why isn't there a hoholla about a nepali woman being a billionaire , that means your picture could be found in the Fortune's 500? Way to go angel. Nepal should have entrepreneurs like you back home. but again if you r american born who gives a shit right? I think it is given that ED VEd is not going to spoon feed you on his name and address, by reading on ur thoughts on immigrants and yes illegal ones you might have to contac FBI or immigration official to track him down. I also have heard that if u marry a khaireni u are given a greencard.... could the government touch him after that? |
| maiiya | Posted
on 12-Jan-04 01:29 PM
Hi Nepali Angel, Stop blowing your own trumphet for nothing! Deep down in your heart you know you are LYING. A BIG FAT LIAR! If you are a billionare then you must be doingbusiness in drugs/prostitute otherwise if your business is legal..why aren't you famous by now? I am really surprised. STOP bull shitting and get out of sajha. You are more like a devil than angel.Hush your mouth! I get tired of reading your comments.Each time you go..I am this and I am that. If you claim to be who ever you are..then I don't know HOW you have the time to still Bit**ed about people here in sajha.Get the hell out!! Peace Girl. |
| bhole_babaji | Posted
on 12-Jan-04 03:11 PM
Nepali angel is difficult to stand. He/she is just a bullshit arrogant piece of shit. Everyone in US becomes legal after a while. They all get amnesty after 5/10 years. But WHITE wannabe nepali angel doesn't understand that. I once heard that when a begger finds 1 rupee he thinks he is the king and starts hating other beggers. Isn't angel sounding same ? |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 12-Jan-04 04:32 PM
Dear bhole babaji the illegal immigrant, please don't be mad that I don't like your illegal ass clogging and destroying our good country. Idiot, if you can't defend yourself, then shut the hell up, moron. I'll rip you apart like I ripped the other moron apart on immigration issues. So all you are left with is your dumb prattlings. Bugger! Maiiya, why don't you marry bhole babaji? You two illegals seem to have much in common, after all. Alright idiots, don't address me if you don't wanna defend yourself. Morons. |
| bhole_babaji | Posted
on 12-Jan-04 05:14 PM
I don't want to goto the cheap talking with you ( nepali_angel ) For your information, I am not illegal in US and I am happily married. So thanks for the suggestion of marrying Maiyaa. Everyone on this forum knows that you are the moron so it is rediculous to call me what you are. I haven't seen even one posting supporting you. The reson behind it is obvious, you are a big moron and your claim of being a billionaire is rediculous. In last two months I have seen two Nepali morons claiming to be billionaires.. Does anyoone remember Dr. Bhattarai ? |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 12-Jan-04 06:44 PM
Cool down fellow nepali origins.....ehehe The debate on the issue was going on in the channel CSPAN. Worthwhile to watch when you can manage time.... |
| ally74 | Posted
on 12-Jan-04 07:24 PM
Nepali Angel. You are the biggest CLOWN here in sajha. Seems like your ego got bruised up big time by Eddie Vedder and fellow nepalese. No one supports you here and like vedder said "why don't you take your podunk(what that means?) redneck ideas to central Park" not here. You are stinking big time and everyone here are covering their nose and you are the only one who is not aware about your sorry state of affair. Ohh, did I read somewhere that you bitchslapped your ex? No wonder you are bitter maybe someone needs a whole lotta love. Guys give her some love and rescue poor woman from this misery. She needs to be saved by I guess LORD JESUS? How ironic her name is NEPALI ANGEL .... May be Bholebabaji can give her some sanity!!! |
| ALLY74 | Posted
on 12-Jan-04 07:30 PM
By the way looking at your anger towards illegal immigrants; was ur ex husband one as well? No wonder he got all the bitch slapping from a real big bitch. Poor guy!!! |
| nell | Posted
on 12-Jan-04 11:25 PM
It's a nice soapbox oratory, but Congress will never pass this in its current form. Mr Bush has a long record of making bountiful promises which never quite arrive and this sounds like one of them. It might win him a few votes from the Latino community, but only those whose memories do not stretch back to the promises he made to win Mexican votes in the run up to the last election. |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 13-Jan-04 02:22 PM
Nell, absolutely correct, they won't pass the bill. If they do, Bush's presidency goes down the window. Ally the illegal immigrant, of course most Nepalis won't support me, well some do, but those are legal residents. I got no problem with people on H1B visa, or green card holders. In fact I opine that it'd be better if America eased immigration laws to allow more immigrants to come here, LEGALLY THOUGH. Illegals deserved to be chased by a shotgun toting redneck from 'bama and killed like they're subhumans. So, if you're an illegal( and I am assuming you are) you should be shot, ONLY for luxury. There are times when deer can be hunted in Maryland. I say, why limit it to deer only? How about hunting illegals for leisure eh? |
| Qqest | Posted
on 13-Jan-04 03:09 PM
How about putting Nepali Angel butt-naked in the middle of woods and we all shoot her like a turkey. Maybe we will have a ThanksGiving dinner."gobble..gobble..gobble..nepali-angel don't like no thanksgiving day" yeah..that's what I thought Nepali Angel. Before you go and say "you illegal immigrant, you are this and you are that and you should be treated like crap", I am a US citizen but I was born in Nepal. I am proud to be a Nepali-American but you are just degrading all of us in the name of being an American ( I doubt you are one, who knows you are illegal yourself). So called Billionaire from Maryland, could you put your profile in the net so that we can learn something from your "oh so successful" path to affluency. Hah, who am I kidding. |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 13-Jan-04 03:40 PM
Or, how about we torcher you with a beef buffet huh moron? You don't sound legal to me, so stfu about your Nepricanness. You're an illegal border jumping Nepali gadha kukur bhate. I have 1 billion paisa stashed somewhere in my coffer, in a secret place that even I am not aware of. Ready for a beef buffet yet??? LOL. Man, I am enjoying this. How I have managed to unite our fellow Nepali illegals. In unity is strength, they say, so when we boot y'all together, make a commotion and our INS ko security guards will blow that thing you have between your chicken-legs. |
| maiiya | Posted
on 13-Jan-04 03:45 PM
Nepali angel...I have not seen anyone more ignorant that ur shitty ass. I have green card sweety unlike you who married a white trash & proclaim to be a trashy billionare(in your dreams maybe). I was asking that question for my relatives back home and hoping someone wise and knowledgable would answe unlike a dumb moron ass like you. You do have a low mentality, your thoughts & expressions are so pathetic.Why don't you just GET THE HELL OUT OF SAJHA. I see nobody likes you here and you meddle ith everyone and anyone. You are one hell of a ghatiya woman/man(don't know what you are really). SHUT UP & GET LOST! |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 13-Jan-04 04:03 PM
Are you sure maiiya the illegal immigrant? Because the other thread you started proves otherwise, that you're a no good illegal LEECH. Can anybody guess which illegal immigrant said this: "I see life in Nepal is Never going to be normal.I don't want to jeopadize my life & my future" Anybody who can guess correctly will get my adulation. Let the game BEGIN. Hahaha, relatives huh? |
| Qqest | Posted
on 13-Jan-04 04:04 PM
Seems like Nepali Angel lost her mind now and she is getting all delirious. May be she is having brain aneurism. She is spitting all jibberish and no one knows what the hell she is talking about. "nepali gadha kukur bhate" re . Very funny. Who is having fun at who's expense it is clear as day light. Beef Buffet? is that the side dish we made out of your shattered ego besides having roasted turkey? PPl, Keep on harrassaing this low life Twat until she stops this immgration shit. LOL.. |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 13-Jan-04 04:30 PM
Qquest, firstly, you sound like a nitwit because you don't seem to really argue with me about immigration issues aside from your banal ramblings that even dogs would yawn at were they able to read. LOL. Seriously dude, get a brain and if you have the guts, argue with me. Don't forget to back it up with facts. I rely on objected sources to buttress my claim. Keep dissing, qqest the nitwit, since you have nothing objective to say. Tell us, which third tier shithole of a school did you graduate from? My rejoinder was clear, yet he didn't understand me. Thickskinned huh? |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 13-Jan-04 04:41 PM
LOL, the nitwit doesn't comprehend even a few simple sentences, I wonder which third tier sucky university the qqest graduated from. Qqest the illegal immigrant, do you have anything objective to say, or are you here only to diss? Because frankly, you seem mentally challenged. At least Ed Ved challenged me somehow, but you just seem to prattle like a dumb illegal with a brain problem. Are you dumb? Dumb, dumb dumb, dumb, dumb. Ever heard of a word called "retort"? Did I say you're dumb? LOL. If anybody wants to challenge me, do so objectively. Back yourself up. I have a new definition for a word everyone: qqest: noun. 1. Someone of a retarded demeanor. A fool: Don't be a qqest. Everybody knows the answer . 2. An internet troll 3. A eunuch. Check that qqest out. He got no penis. Come to think of it, I might even decide to add this new word to the urbandictionary.com archive. LOL. |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 13-Jan-04 04:57 PM
*objective |
| salakjith | Posted
on 13-Jan-04 07:29 PM
nepali_angel if illegals are coming to US, it's as much or more a fault of US not being able to control (or may be not willing) as the illegal people themselves. I cannot imagine US not being able to control illegals if they really wanted to, IMHO. And before you accuse me of being an illegal too, I am neither illegal nor in USA. |
| AskMe | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 01:12 AM
There may be another hidden agenda behind it. American never do anything, which is not in their interest, so how come this one. They are they strict in even giving students visa, how come they are making life easier for illegal immigrants, all these sound funny and doubtful!!! |
| Real_McCoy | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 09:46 AM
Hey..Nepali_Angel(Oops.. I mean Nepali_Arrogant) I smell some "Crackers" on you, you Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh loving MORON. Freaking DittoHead. A Nepali.... wanna be White American? How funny. Dude, try looking your face in the mirror quiet often. If you are so concerned about illegals , this just might be your day. Iam an Illegal , come and get my ass. I challenge you. PROUD NEPALI(unlike you) |
| maiiya | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 10:07 AM
Nepali_Devi l(aka angel), I was thinking of going back for good but wanted to see if my relatives could come here then I would stay here.I don't have to tell you my whole history. At least some of us do speak the truth unlike some liars like yourself. You've built up a wall of lies and you seem to feel secured about it. Billionare ...my ass! |
| rbaral | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 11:03 AM
Anyone who has overstayed visa, if paroled, is not illegal. Analogy - Does speeding beyond posted limit make you a criminal? Overspeeding is a violation of law. If caught, you MAY be fined, imprisoned, or put on probation. I have been caught once, and paroled. Although I speed beyond the posted limits, I wholeheartedly consider to be a law abiding citizen, so does everyone around me. I have only seen one person so far who confessed to me of not speeding. He is in his seventies! He frequently sped until he was sixty-some. What's the point? |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 11:18 AM
rbaral ji, i believe why do people do what they do is their informed rational decision...... |
| Qqest | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 11:20 AM
LOL Angel..you are really fun to get picked on. I knew this low life no brain small town redneck ass would spit something stupid which does not make any sense. Poor girl is having hard time replying back to everyone here in sajha. She is getting to the point where is out of words. That's why she is using only one word over and over -"illegal immigrants". I mean that is the only word she can retrieve from her "shitfull" brain. This twat is really fun to mess around with. Guys keep up the good work. LOL.. |
| Qqest | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 11:22 AM
she* |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 02:12 PM
Qqest the illegal immigrant, looks like it took you hours and hours to come up with only 8 sentences. LOL. Why would someone so prolific like me waste my precious time on someone who doesn't even understand my simple simple sentences? Don't act like a qqest, alright. Do you still not understand me??? A typical third tier school graduate. " I cannot imagine US not being able to control illegals if they really wanted to, IMHO. " It's called Hispandering. The government does not think for Americans' wants, they just wanna get reelected. Maiiya, you're an illegal immigrant. Go back. We don't want you here. You're pathetic. You're a reject. You're a filthy illegal immigrant. If you didn't understand me, which qqest almost always doesn't seem to, all I am saying is, go back. "Iam an Illegal , come and get my ass" Sure, I will. Give me your address. |
| Qqest | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 02:58 PM
Nepali Angel(TWAT)the illegal immigrant, . What's the proof you are legal yourself? And can you prove me I am illegal. yeah..your are assuming..punkhead. Sure you do have plenty of time to puke here in Sajha This is what you do for living working(illegally) at min wage per hour. Seems like you graduated from some long distance online unaccredited college that you are repeating your parody of illegal immigrant like them scumbags at FOX. Prolific? hahaha, you are making me LMAO. what a joke. By the way, have you read somewhere about "naked emperor". Seems like you didn't get me dumbo..did you hear me dumbo dumbo dumbo..i guess you got it now...oh not yet? you will eventually..Illegal piece of TWAT. |
| bhole_babaji | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 03:03 PM
Nepali_angel if you are legal in US, can you post your name address and phone number at this post ? of you are scared ? |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 03:05 PM
Oohhh, looks like qqest graduated from some "accredited" college like, oh, I don't know, Bob Jones university, you know the school where interracial dating is banned. Looks like qqest the illegal immigrant can understand me after all. Of course you are an illegal slimeball, otherwise why would you be so ticked off when I am attacking border hoppers, huh? Tell me tell me tell me. |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 03:06 PM
bhole babaji, no, I won't post my name, address and phone number. But tell you what, if you give me yours, I'll send the INS boys to greet you when you come home from work. What say you? |
| bhole_babaji | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 03:17 PM
Nepali angel , I already told you I am not illegal. I have work permit to work in USA and I work in a high tech company in the silicon valley. if I can suggest you something , you shouldn't be saying bad things about Nepalese in this forum. Even illegal , they are Nepalese and they are here because of the Nepal's bad political and economic situation. Nepalese should help Nepalese and not try to kick their ass. |
| Qqest | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 03:23 PM
So the illegal Twat, did your dad graduated from Bob Jones Uni? or are you attending one? did you manage to get in-state tuition fees too by vouching fake resident card of Maryland? ehehehe. Of course you are illegal big time everyone knows it. Or else why don't your liitle hiney so scared to prove that you are legal? Back your statement with sources..ahem ..why bother, huh when you are already illegal. Get your illegal ass to INS and get your self a good booting in your booty by agent uncles. ehehe am i seeing your twat face blushing ..? Illegal Twat that you are. |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 04:04 PM
Bhole babaji the illegal immigrant, I am sorry, but illegal immigrants are criminals, so that makes you one too. Do not try to lie, coz I can see right through you. Yeah, right through buddy. Qqest the illegal immigrant, ie a CRIMINAL, in-state tuition fees would be predominantly for public schools, fool. This tells me you're an ILLEGAL immigrant. Poor kid, did I touch a raw nerve by attacking your oogly illegal gadunk gadunk dunk? If you're so concerned about Nepal's status, why don't you go back, else learn to assimilate in Amreeka. I bet all your friends are brownsters I bet! |
| steve20 | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 04:37 PM
Hello everybody, First of all I am not here to diss anybody neither am I here to look arrogant or superior. I would like to say that whoever we are, whatever our status is, I believe we all are human beings. This world is full of hypocrisy and lies. I strongly believe that if US wanted to stop the flow of illegal immigrants it would do it in a second. Having said that US definitely wants some cheap labour and people to do low level jobs. On the other hand the people who illegally stay in US have their own story to tell. I am sure most of them would like to be in the comfort of their country but its not always possible. We all have problems and circumstances and when options run out people take hard measures just to survive. For all those people who degrade illegal immigrants all I have to say is sometimes the rules and regulations mean nothing in life. You have to understand why those kinda people are there in the first place and try to see it from their perspective. Until then you will be naive of the situation and your thinking won't be the same. Regarding the Bush situation, I think he doing a good thing by making all the illegal immigrants legal. I guess this will generate lot of tax money from lot of hardworking immigrants so there is greed in everything. At the end I would like to say that we shouldnt be hating each other as it doesnt cost a thing to respect and love each other. Please stop dissing each other as we all are Nepalis trying to survive this mean,racist world. |
| bhole_babaji | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 06:27 PM
Steve , your comments are thoughtful and nice. nepali_boksi aka nepali_angel takes so much pride in her university. Let me know which university is your Alma Mater ? yale, stanford or MIT ? And once again I am in legal status in USA and got my graduate degree from a reputed Tier 1 univ in 2000 and am working in the Silicon valley since then... |
| ally74 | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 07:13 PM
Nepali angel is nothinh but shit!!! Nowondershe is divorced.. i bet her husband found love between the legs of an illegal girl....i guess thats why she is so bitter about illegal immigrants...and what are the chances that we nepalese would come in the US through the mexico...she is nothing but a hard core bitch,... she needs to be banned from sajha... Nepali angel u and urthoughts need to be banned from sajha.. if u are so fond with ur white frns do something constructive with ur so called white frens(as if we don't have any).. do not waste ur time comming here in sajha... and yak yak yak.... bitch.... u are hated here and u need to be with ur so called wanna be white assholes,,,, get ur wanna be white assholes outta here bitch |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 07:25 PM
ally the illegal immigrant, if your ramblings are enough to get me banned, then I should be banned, but I know I won't, because I bet the moderator of this forum, unlike yourself, can judge for himself/herself whether I am just putting forth my argument or am acting like a troll. This is how I feel about illegal immigration. They are a menace to society. Another thing ally the illegal immigrant, you should be sent to jail and torchered till you're only bones. And then they need to send you back to Nepal, where people will think you're a KHATE because of your emaciated frail physique. bhole babaji the illegal immigrant, none of the above. Looks to me like you only know names of three good schools. That tells me you graduated from a third tier university that most illegals like to flood. Sorry, but they should expel you out of California since you don't have proper legal documents. All right illegals, enough for today, hope you illegals manage to evade the po-pos, at least for a day! |
| ally74 | Posted
on 14-Jan-04 07:39 PM
Nepali-angel the illegal immigrant, Why enough for the day angel the clown? We all know you are illegal immigrant yourself and you calling other folks illegal is not only laughable but also shows your dumbness. C'mon you are not done for the day, we know this is your full time job. So bring it on. We will bust your brown ass all night long as long as you want. Like somebody said, you should be put bucket-naked in the middle woods and shoot your "wannabe white" brown ass till the smelly spice comes outta your body. By the way, think something original all night to come back tomorrow to write. Don't worry you will be paid in overtime provided if you clean my toilet. |
| Steve20 | Posted
on 15-Jan-04 07:15 AM
This is to Nepali_Angel We all have our own thoughts about the complexity of immigration situation in US. But it doesn't neccessaraily mean that we have to hate people whose status " by law" means that they are illegal. Don't you think it is little cruel to hate people just because they have inevitable problems in their life and are just trying to do good to themselves and their family. Maybe I am wrong or enlighten me but if I was suffering like hell in my original country then I would definitely take a chance to go to foreign country and see what its like. If you think all the immigrants should be sent to jail then you are completely wrong. The history of US has seen lots of immigrants. Matter of fact except the Native Indians the entire other population dont even belong here. At some point or the other they have come here..sooner or later.. I don't think you are mean Angel as it would be extremly ironic to your username. I just think you are naive of the situation and maybe not exposed to the complications that people go through. I dont blame you for your outburst and hatred towards immigrants as if you did know about the real fact you wouldn't be taking about it. Once again please DONT HATE APPRECIATE. To BABAJI: Thanks for your comment man. So you are working in silicon valley eh?? I am also involved in computer/telecomm field but I am little skeptical about the job availability when I graduate( I am a sophmore now). Whats your say on this? |
| salakjith | Posted
on 15-Jan-04 08:07 AM
for that matter, even the native americans (indians) came from Asia! and the asians came from africans and the africans came from monkeys... oh well |
| SITARA | Posted
on 15-Jan-04 09:11 AM
And we are all stardust!!! Has anyone watched "Greencard Fever", from the makers of "American Desi"????!!! Very entertaining and pertaining to this issue. |
| bhole_babaji | Posted
on 15-Jan-04 09:40 AM
Hey Steve, job market in the valley very bad. The unemployment rate is very high and they are moving the jobs offshore. So the situation is not improving for the last 2.5 years. I don't know how it is going to work and I feel very unsecured all the time. Hopefully by the time you graduate, the job market will pick up. Let's keep our fingers crossed. |
| Steve20 | Posted
on 15-Jan-04 09:42 AM
I see man...I hope they big companies wont move to India or something..cuz it would suck for people like us...oh well we will see.. |
| Nirvana | Posted
on 15-Jan-04 09:58 AM
Hi Sitar, You are right, that movie "Greencard Fever" is interesting...I am thinking, if we make nepali version of this movie, we should choose Nepali_Angel as it's main actress who changes her mind eventually...he he he he |
| SITARA | Posted
on 15-Jan-04 10:29 AM
Hi (again! :) Nirvana ji: I have read your views on Bush's policy and I agree with you. This may be one of the more effective ploys of his to harness Latino people's support. Yes, it is also money-motivated for the US Govt: to make accessible the X amount of dollars that slip taxation. Ironically, the Latino people are more skeptical about this move than the "legal" non-Americans. As for Nepali Angel's arguments: Strip away the harshness and offensive language and you will find that there is merit to some of HIS/her arguments. There are people who do think like HIM/her because their thinking/s fit "the book". Reminds me of the ongoing arguments in Nepal about King G's breaking the constitution. All a matter of opinions. Another example is of many Nepali's tendency to harass teraibasis( fruit vendors, khali shishi bottlers....) "Ye Madishe, ta Nepal kina aais"? Logically, who is taking whose job is a matter of supply and demand. If there is noone to take on the jobs that "illegals" do, there will always be jobs for them. As long as US looks toward low wages, sweat shops, outsourcing for nursing, teaching, banking, IT (to name a few), the immigration situation will not change; policies or no policy. US has created this situation and blaming illegal immigrants for the mire is like blaming the Axis of Evil for a snowstorm that DC can't clear!!! |
| Nirvana | Posted
on 15-Jan-04 02:46 PM
Ditto Sitara Ji. And my view about Nepali_Angel’s is same as yours. I know this immigration policy of US Govt. is not clear at all. Every president twists and turns the immigration policy whenever they get elected or on election time. I was little excited about Bush’s proposal at the beginning but when I hear it is only for UNDOCUMMENTED, I feel bad for one of my good friend and also for lots of fellow Nepali people who are on same situation. Friend of mine and I, both started applications for Residency same time, only three days apart. We were on same professional field; he even has more experience on the field than me. I got lucky, my application got approved and his not. According to some people now I am legal resident but his is criminal. Is that fear? We were working on same field, same town, and applied through same company attorney. Now, according to Nepali_Angel type-thinking people my friend has become illegal criminal who deseves booted out of this country. Give me a break…… |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 15-Jan-04 03:09 PM
Does anyone have a recollection of migrating to neighbor district or from hill to terai for new opportunities and fate? Let me put what i observed in my child days. you can add more: 1. Gaun ko mukhiya baje jumps to gobble the landed properties of the imminent immigrant in the village or he helps to sell the property to an another villager or to a lahure who has cash in hand....first preference is given to dajubhai by the law of land... 2. whatever not sellable like cows, bhainsi, gagri, taula, and utensils are taken with them....The migrant's family prepare whatever belongings in Kumlo jhiti jhamta or stuff cloths in "kath ko sandus" or smokey tin ko bakas, doki or thumchi 3. tika on forehead, drops of tears in eyes, and saying "la chithi patra hal khabar samchar pathamdai garam" are typically we see ...relatives cf them all the way to Chautari and wave hands with tears and grim faces 4. Since most of the family members haven't travelled outside the district, the one familiar to road to new destination leads the path... 5. Old and sicks are carred in doko cushoned by dry rice straws. 6. Bigger kids walk like a calf, and small kids either carried in back or neck or in "kokri" 7. It is amusing sound of cow's bell ringing like "kanglan kanglan" when they move downhill to a new destine, with aiimaii and keta keti haru 8. After several days and nights of walks, they reach to new home....New neighbors greet, and become a talk of the village for few days.... However, let me share the following Road Map to America! I believe everyone (including Nepali Angel) behind the flag was once the last in the row...eheheh 
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| nepali_angel | Posted
on 15-Jan-04 03:43 PM
Absolutely has to do with his plummeting support among Latino voters. During the 2000 election, approximately 35% voted for Bush, but now the number is much lower than that. Another thing to note is that this new policy is not going to work perfectly because the immigrants are gonna be documented temporarily. The keyword is temporary. God knows what's gonna happen to them after that. So, there's that danger of being repatriated that will always be haunting illegals who have heard of this policy. This could just be a ruse for collecting info on illegal immigrants to expel them once the visa expires. If that's the case, then I am all for it. However, keep in mind though that these illegals will be eligible to apply for green card---> citizenship if they're documented. I am not talking about who's creating the situation and who's not, I am basically giving you all an American's viewpoint. As I stated before(the poll I had linked to) almost 90% Americans think this immigration issue has to be dealt with. While it might be that this ploy will allow Bush to gain support among latino voters, it will have an opposite effect among White American voters who make up 70%+ of the population. Also who says Congress will back up Bush this time? Can't be sure about that. There are approximately 30 million Americans below the poverty line. Wouldn't it be better if the government acted to give better jobs to the poverty-stricken and the unemployed instead of pandering to big corporations whose sole objective, because they don't care about Americans, is to make money? Certainly, this unemployment problem will hardly ever be solved completely. Remember that there are almost 16 million unemployed Americans. Illegals are about 10 million in America, out of which 25% are unemployed. Then there also are legal residents on temporary work permit who also are taking away jobs from Americans. If you boot these two groups that are the causes, America's problems will subside dramatically. Bush's problem is that he focuses on building other countries instead of making America a better place to live. Nirvana, is your friend an undocumented alien now? If so, then he is breaking American laws. Just because he is experienced doesn't mean he has the right to stay here. Abide American laws when you're in America. As simple as that. Ally7 the illegal alien, get out of Amreeka. If you wanna stay here come clean my toilet. It's about improving standards of living. Illegals don't help the cause. I want to see a clean, safe neighborhood. 1/4th of prison population are illegals. Keep this in mind. It doesn't matter who came here first or who came here last, the issue is that the country has its own set of RULES now. Past means squat. |
| Steve20 | Posted
on 15-Jan-04 05:13 PM
Nepali_Angel, You bring all the stats and it doesn't even support you. Yes, you are right the umemloyment rate in US is really increasing. But again if those 75% ( as u said) illegal aliens can find job then so can those 16 million americans who are unemployed. What they need to do is get their lazy ass from couch and do the damn work. |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 15-Jan-04 05:50 PM
Uh no, you're wrong, the unemployment rate isn't increasing right now. the economy is not good, that's true. What we need to do is take action against corporations who hire illegal immigrants. The illegals don't count as Americans, so I could care less whether they find a job or not. You think Americans aren't looking for jobs? You have no idea how frustrated people are these days. If kicking out an illegal can give one new job to an American, then so be it. Understand? |
| Steve20 | Posted
on 15-Jan-04 10:38 PM
Nepali_Angel So you think the United States hasn't been able to remove all the illegal immigrants until now. umm amazing..guess why...They are using those poor immigrants..making them work like dogs and sucking the juice out of them...I wonder why those big corporations you are taling about hire illegal immigrants rather than Americans...cuz they get to use them..abuse them..dont u get it? Americans ..cant go nowhere wihtout those immigrants.......plus all the money...the immigrants have made so far .will go out if they are kicked out so...u know..it makes sense to let them stay here..and invest there money here....in the mean time....they can also serve them...American policy is amazing.. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 16-Jan-04 12:27 AM
Steve, a crude estimate of about 80 billion dollar per year of net savings will fly from the country |
| Real_McCoy | Posted
on 19-Jan-04 12:00 AM
Nepali Angel..... Nepal ma bhayeko bhyaye saasu ko pitaai khayera taha laagthis.. Ahiley uchhittiyera America aayepachhi furti lagauchhes...! |
| guest_nepal | Posted
on 19-Jan-04 11:53 AM
Hiya everyone, Dunno how I bumped into this website and this particular discussion, but seeing the interesting debate, I wanted to post my opinion. Before I start, I'm not an American but hold a passport that entitles me visa free travel to America though I've never been to America and have no plans to visit it in near future. Well, whatever nepali_angel has to say, if America decides to deport all illegal immigrants and implements it (to be precise), Americans would be the first to be affected. The prices will hike, services will downgrade and the economy will suffer. Be realistic. I don't know much about America, so I'll give a few examples of Britain to highlight my point. 1. According to the economic thinktanks in London, all construction around London would come to a halt if all illegals were deported. That would, on the long run, have a negative impact on the growth of London economically. 2. Dirty and dangerous jobs are all done by illegal immigrants. They toil hard to make life luxarious for us. 3. I think in this country, they pay tax and national contribution (though they are not previleged to receive any benefit from state) and they do get pay slips. The employer will definately want to keep the record of the money they spent in the books. 4. If the citizens did the job, I admit illegal immigrants should not be given proprity over bonafide immigrnats or citizens. But well, if you get my point, none of the white people are going to work in an indian restaurent as a chef or a kitchen porter. They work hard in jobs which we don't do, get paid much lower than the minimum wage and after all their efforts, all they get is crumbs from our slice of bread. Why the fuss about it??? They deserve more......even if not financial benefits, a word of praise perhaps. Nepali_angle's post looks like that of a stereotype, man against mankind. What if you were in Nepal now?? You'd be clamouring to fulfil your american dreams. Try to think from others' prespective too. 5. None of the illegal immigrants are going to take jobs of graduates. I think nepali_angel has a skeptical view towards all immigrants (legal and illegal) I would assume that the situation in America is similar to that in Europe, please correct me if I'm wrong. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 20-Jan-04 01:37 AM
Let's watch what Bush offers on the issue in his State of Union address tomorrow nite... |
| bhan0001 | Posted
on 20-Jan-04 05:17 AM
Nepali angle How dare you called yourself nepali angle.Do you think you deserver this name.You r kalanka for Nepalit.You r one hell of Witch.... Before you want to kick illegal immigrants out of US , first get your big fat ass out of America because one way or other your root doesn't belong here.Talking leaglly, your parents didn't legally belong here so you don't either. Your thought are very stereotype. Like everybody said you should be kicked out of this place. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 20-Jan-04 07:35 PM
Bush calls for changes on illegal workers New system 'more compassionate' Thursday, January 8, 2004 Posted: 8:45 AM EST (1345 GMT) President Bush outlines his immigration proposal Wednesday. President Bush's immigration plans are met with both criticism and favor. President Bush outlines 'rational and humane' reforms to immigration. CNN's Kathleen Koch on the Bush proposal to make illegal immigrants 'guest workers.' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KEY POINTS OF THE BUSH IMMIGRATION PROPOSAL • Workers in the United States illegally can join a temporary labor program. • Those workers then can apply for permanent U.S. residency, but they will receive no preferential consideration. • Employers hiring these workers must show they cannot find U.S. laborers to fill the jobs. • These undocumented workers get guaranteed wage and employment rights. • These workers receive a temporary three-year visa, renewable once. They are expected to return to their countries once their visas expire. • Congress will be urged to increase the current annual limit of 140,000 green cards. • The U.S. Department of Homeland Security will administer the program. WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Saying the United States needs an immigration system "that serves the American economy and reflects the American dream," President Bush Wednesday outlined an plan to revamp the nation's immigration laws and allow some eight million illegal immigrants to obtain legal status as temporary workers. "Over the generations, we have received energetic, ambitious optimistic people from every part of the world. By tradition and conviction, our country is a welcoming society," he said. "Every generation of immigrants has reaffirmed the wisdom of remaining open to the talents and dreams of the world." "As a nation that values immigration and depends on immigration, we should have immigration laws that work and make us proud," he said. "Yet, today, we do not." Bush said the reform confronts "a basic fact of life and economics -- some of the jobs being generated in America's growing economy are jobs American citizens are not filling." "These jobs represent a tremendous opportunity for workers from abroad who want to work and to fulfill their duties as a husband or a wife, a son or a daughter," he said. Bush also touted his immigration proposals as a national security measure, saying it will help the United States exert more control over its borders. "Our homeland will be more secure when we can better account for those who enter our country," he said. "Instead of the current situation, in which millions of people are unknown ... law enforcement will face few problems with undocumented workers and will be better able to focus on the true threats to our nation from criminals and terrorists," he said. But while temporary workers will have the opportunity to try to stay in the United States permanently, they will be encouraged to return to their home countries with financial incentives and, if they do decide to stay, will have to compete with migrants outside the country for the limited number of immigration slots, the president said. "I oppose amnesty -- placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship," he said. "Granting amnesty encourages the violation of our laws and perpetuates illegal immigration. America's a welcoming country. But citizenship must not be the automatic reward for violating the laws of America." Currently, about 140,000 "green cards" are issued each year to people wanting to migrate to the United States. Bush said Wednesday that number is too low, and he called on Congress to raise it, although he did not give a specific number. Illegal immigrants already in the United States can only apply for the temporary worker program if they already have a job. The special status would last for three years and could be renewed once, for a total stay of six years. If temporary workers failed to stay employed or broke the law, they would be sent home, Bush said. Bush said the new legal status would allow illegal immigrants to travel back to their home countries, without the fear they would not be allowed to return to the United States, and he said it would also help keep immigrants from being abused or exploited. (Border residents question immigration proposal) "This new system will be more compassionate. Decent, hardworking people will now be protected by labor laws, with the right to change jobs, earn fair wages and enjoy the same working conditions that the law requires for American workers," he said. "Temporary workers will be able to establish their identities by obtaining the legal documents that we all take for granted. And they will be able to talk openly to authorities to report crimes when they're harmed without the fear of being deported," he said. People outside the country will also be able to obtain temporary worker status if they have a job offer from an American employer. Bush said employers would have to prove that they cannot fill the job with an American worker before they would be allowed to hire a non-citizen as a temporary worker. And if the worker quit, the employer would have to notify the government. The U.S. Department of Homeland Security, in coordination with the Labor Department and other agencies, would administer the new program, as it does with other temporary visa programs. The immigration proposal, unveiled by Bush in a speech in the East Room of the White House, is his first major new policy initiative of the 2004 election year. He outlined his idea in broad strokes, rather than providing specific legislation. Administration officials said many of the details would be worked out in consultation with Congress. The White House initiative is modeled after several proposals pending in Congress. For example, U.S. Rep. Jim Kolbe, R-Arizona, has called for a temporary worker program if employers initially post jobs on the Internet for 14 days to give Americans a first crack. |
| Bhunte | Posted
on 20-Jan-04 07:35 PM
Politically motivated? The Bush plan also tracks many proposals advocated by Democrats, some of whom have voiced suspicion that the administration is seeking to increase the president's appeal to Latinos as the 2004 campaign gets under way. "I certainly hope the administration's long-awaited reinvolvement in this fundamental debate is genuine and not because of election-year conversion," said U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, in a statement Tuesday. "The immigration status quo is outdated, unjust and unacceptable. "At any time in recent months, a nod from the administration could have brought immediate enactment of two important long-stalled immigration bills with broad bipartisan support in Congress -- the AgJobs bill, to reach a fair resolution of the controversy and work conditions over jobs in the agriculture industry, and the bill granting permanent residence to undocumented immigrant children who complete high school and go to college or join the military." (Democrats: Bush immigration plan not enough) The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is among the president's allies in the debate, agreeing with the White House position about an economic need for new workers. Randel Johnson, a chamber vice president who deals with immigration issues, said Tuesday that a resolution of the problem is necessary. "The reality of it is we are not going to deport all these people," Johnson said. "So we have to come up with something to deal with the situation. Or we can continue to put our head in the sand." But U.S. Rep. Thomas Tancredo, R-Colorado, is among the congressional conservatives who promise to fight provisions they view as rewarding lawbreakers. "People who are here illegally -- they need to be deported," Tancredo said. "People who hire them need to be fined. If they keep doing it, they need to be sent to jail. It's against the law." (Schneider: Immigration plan may anger conservatives) Latino community split The Latino community also appears split over Bush's proposal. The president was joined in the East Room by representatives from several Latino groups, including Hector Flores, president of the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), which bills itself as the nation's oldest and largest Hispanic organization. But Raul Yzaguirre, president of the National Council of La Raza, which claims to be the nation's largest Latino civil rights organization, issued a statement saying Bush's proposal was a "bitter disappointment" that would relegate immigrants to "second-class status." Yzaguirre said the plan "appears to offer the business community full access to the immigrant workers it needs, while providing very little to the workers themselves." "This is at best an empty promise and, at worst, a political ploy aimed a vulnerable immigrants and those of us who care deeply about them," he said. --CNN Senior White House Correspondent John King and Congressional Producers Ted Barrett and Steve Turnham contributed to this report. |
| login | Posted
on 21-Jan-04 08:31 PM
Nepali_Angel, Howdyyyy!!! You stress about laws/rules all the time but laws can be revised and new laws can be made,hoina ta? The civil rights law passed in the 1960's (remember)-many "American Citizens" were against it, so, if you were from that time then you woudl be saying, NO IT'S THE LAW-and Law is Law and Law and Law!! Anyways, I don't think you are going to step back after this long discussions, so carry on. It's fun reading your posts. Sometimes you're from the West coast and all of a sudden you are from the DC area? Keep it going Gal/Guy (?) In Peace Sister, -LoGiN |
| sunanda | Posted
on 21-Jan-04 08:33 PM
is this land your land? is this land my land--really is it? Immigration. Foreign. Illegal. Is it legal to be illegal? Is it an issue of morality or legality? My "two worlds" clash--the legal and the moral--when I try to develop my perspective on the issue. The Moral "World" This is your land and this my land--the legal and the illegal. It may be safe to say America's soil "belongs" to no one and to everyone. As a fellow member stated before, "the history of the US has seen lots of immigrants." Everyone in the United States, immigrants, citizens, and illegal individuals, has "foreign roots" in American soil. If an illegal individual contributes to the American economy and upholds the values of America, shouldn't that person remain in America? What if an illegal individual comes to America to escape famine, war, and anarchy? Wouldn't any American flee if anarchy, famine and war were constantly in America? Imagine an "illegal" individual who flees to America to escape a country full of turmoil. In America, the individual contributes to America by working seven days a week and takes half of his or her salary to help homeless American "citizens." If this illegal person is illlegal, is it "morally right" to deny America to an individual who helps homeless Americans? On the other hand, imagine a homeless American citizen who flees from jail to be free from solitary confinement. This homeless person is a career "robber" who steals food to survive and has a permanent address called cardboard box and / or "jailhouse." If a homeless citizen commits a crime as mentioned above, it is legal to fine or arrest that person. Is it moral? What is legal is not always morally correct. Maybe this is why Thoreau believed in the seperation of church--the moral--and state--the legal. The Legal "World" Laws were made to establish order, but laws were also made to be broken. As in the eloquent words in "Civil Disobedience," American citizens fight for justice if there is unjust treatment or an unjust law. Slavery was legal, but blacks AND whites fought against it. And won. It was not legal for women to vote, but women fought against it. And won. Illegal people are not legal, but can't they also fight? Will they win? Of course, laws are necessary to establish order. In case of illegal individuals, they are made to prevent overpopulation and to maintain security. But should American citizenship be the same requirement for people from all foriegn coutries? Would it reduce the amount of illegal people if the same immigration regulations applied to all foriegn countries? As a naturalized citizen of America, I have come to the conclusion that there is no simple answer about illegal individuals in America. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to express my concerns as a first-time visitor to your message board. I have seen some very positive and engaging discussions on this site. I hope to continue responding to your message board and hope my message will further open a professional and positive discussion of this issue. ***excuse the typos and errors; give me a break--it is late at night :) |
| AskMe | Posted
on 30-Jan-04 02:16 AM
Its all doubtful, May be they are making the list to kick those they don't want.... |
| AskMe | Posted
on 30-Jan-04 03:02 AM
Hey 'Nirvana" How is the "Greencard Fever" on what story it is Based on and what they wanna teach you.... I have got some pic from movied got from Internet site.... http://www.indiafm.com/stills/03/greencardfever/index1.shtml Will I be working as BABY sitter if I come in US as a engineer...am I right?? 
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| sunanda | Posted
on 01-Feb-04 06:09 PM
Hi Ask Me: What can I ask you? :) I don't think you will be a baby sitter if you come to US as engineer. But hey, who knows... |