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| sushil59 |
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on 27-Jan-04 08:10 AM
I have read King's Interview and I have noticed that his interview is one of the worst Interview given by Constitutional King. I also have ready many Interview given by other Constituional king in the Past. there are some statements and words he used in interview really wornder me that he was capable to give interview in English. One thing that bothers me is that he was keep mentioning " sorry" word in Interview. I don't think that sorry is diplomatic word to use against leaders of the parties.
He has mentionied that it is 21st century and Nepal lies in constitutional monarchy and multi-party democracy. It just wonders me that whether he knows the meaning of " Constitutional King and Multy-party Demorcracy. Where is Multi-party democracy where Party is not exercising their role and king is choosing primeminister as his wish( not by peaople's wish). I would like to suggest him to learn from other constisutional king like Japan and England.
Kings mentioned that"Much of the ill we have suffered is not because of the democratic political system, it's because of the actors in the system" . There are more than thousands politician in the country and he is saying all are bad, not his choices. Does he think surya bahadur and Lokendra bahadur are good among politician. Haven't all of us seen Nepal rruled by those Panchhas in the Past.
Kings said"All I'm saying is stop saying 'me.' Say 'us.' Stop saying 'party.' Say 'people'. It just wonders me that what did king said for thirty years( Panchayat system"
kings mentioned"But my government has advised me that these protests might be only pressure tactics [BRACKET {by political opponents}]. And anyway, the government has a job to uphold the law of the land. Does the law allow them to say things like this? "
This is 21st century and People like to enjoy their freedom and express their feelings. If you look at the Britain wheere People talked about royal scandal and other things, so why not only in Nepal, people can't talk about their royal family.
Kings said"Nepal has had 12 governments since the arrival of parliamentary democracy in 1990" . I think that is real democracy and People will choose best one indeed. It just wonders me that what part of democracy and multi-party system deosn't he understand"
King stated that "But I can tell you that I am very proud of the way our security forces are conducting themselves on the minimal [BRACKET {equipment}] they have". This statement shows that he classify moaist movement as terrorist movement, which is proven wrong in last ten years.
king said"What happened on the night of June 1, 2001?
Gyanendra: I wish I knew. I was not here. I can only tell you what I have been told by surviving members of my family. The report that came out of the commission that investigated this clearly indicated who was responsible" . If you even don't know what happened in that small place ( royal Palace) in one night, How could he know what's happening in the world. There are some witness still alive so if he wants, he could get what happened and what it happened.
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| sushil59 |
Posted
on 27-Jan-04 02:25 PM
I am looking more comments about article
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| mickthesick |
Posted
on 27-Jan-04 03:02 PM
.Sushil....
"There are more than thousands politician in the country and he is saying all are bad, not his choices."
my comment:
the king did not say that all the politicians are bad...he just said that the ill fate occuring right now in the country is due to poor politicians doing poor politics....not once in his interview has he accused all the leaders and politicians as being "bad"...his statements clearly give us a hint that he is referring to a handful of politicians.
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"Kings said"All I'm saying is stop saying 'me.' Say 'us.' Stop saying 'party.' Say 'people'. It just wonders me that what did king said for thirty years"
my comment:
don't accuse gyanendra for the panchayat system...panchayat system had nothing to do with gyanendra because he was not the creator and ruler during the panchayat system...
accusing gyanendra for the panchayat system is very wrong and ridiculous.
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"This is 21st century and People like to enjoy their freedom and express their feelings. If you look at the Britain wheere People talked about royal scandal and other things, so why not only in Nepal, people can't talk about their royal family. "
my comment:
this is the 21st century and yes we can definitely express our feelings for and against the monarchy....what do you think the students and political leaders are doing at present?? Aren't they expressing their feelings and using their freedom of speech and all. .....Like in Britain ..people in Nepal also talked about the Palace scandals. What do you think we were doing when we threw stones at the palace and army after the royal family massacre in 2001?? Wasn't that a freedom of expression.
We have always been free to express our feelings and discontent...so again...we cannot accuse the present monarch of not letting us utilise our freedom of speech and all.
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"Kings said"Nepal has had 12 governments since the arrival of parliamentary democracy in 1990" . I think that is real democracy and People will choose best one indeed. It just wonders me that what part of democracy and multi-party system deosn't he understand"
my comment:
now here i totally disagree with you.
changing 12 governments in 12 years is not what we should be calling the exercise of democracy....changing 12 governments in 12 years doesn't show that we are exercising democracy...it shows that we have "failed" to exercise democracy. It doesn't show that we have been choosing the best system. It shows that we have "failed" to choose the best system.
Choosing 12 governments in 12 years doesn't make us a great democracy exercising nation.....and this is NOT real democracy.
What you think as a good thing is a ridiculous failure in our part...and it's time to realise that.
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"This statement shows that he classify moaist movement as terrorist movement, which is proven wrong in last ten years. "
my comment:
NO...maoist movement has not been proven wrong as terrorist movement in the last ten years.
Maoist movement has been declared terrorist movement even by the biggest wuthority in the world ( the United Nations)....and the way in which the movement has been taking the life of people is a big threat to the peace in Nepal and the political stability in Nepal.
Do you know "Tamil Tigers" ...the popular "LTTE" of SriLanka?? They identify themselves as freedom fighters....Maoists also identify themselves as freedom fighters. But look at the number of casualties these groups have produced. The Maoists have killed many more people than LTTE....and you still have doubts about maoists being terrorists??
Even the World's biggest terrorist threat- Al Qaeda hasn't killed as many people as the maoists...Now it's up to you to decide whether maoists are terrorists or not.
and remember: Al Qaeda also don't consider themselves as terrorists....they consider themselves freedom fighters....like Maoists.
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"If you even don't know what happened in that small place ( royal Palace) in one night, How could he know what's happening in the world. There are some witness still alive so if he wants, he could get what happened and what it happened. "
my comment:
the issue here is not whether he knows what happened that night or not. The issue is- should he tell the same story again to the reporter of Time magazine.
Everyone knows what happened that night in the palace. Because it has been said and written so many times by the eyewitnesses.....so the king should not be obliged to repeat the same story.
He also has the responsibility of being sensible to the feelings of outrage that his repeating of the story could have possibly caused in Nepal because everyone knows he wasn't among the eyewitnesses....so how could he possibly narrate what happened??
and also...aren't we the same people who suspect that what we have been told about the shootings are all false....then why do you expect the king to repeat the same so-called false informations about the shootings.
I think it's time for us to move on with the reality...and look forward to something good from this new king.
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| KaLaNkIsThAn |
Posted
on 27-Jan-04 03:21 PM
exactly mick!
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| Qqest |
Posted
on 27-Jan-04 03:33 PM
I think King's comment on "changing 12 governments in 12 years is not real democracy" theory holds no water. It is democracy regardless. It might not be as ideal as what we wanted to see like of Britain or Japan but abuse or overuse of our version of democracy was result of more than 30 years of panchayat system where no one had any right except for the king and his followers.It corrupted everyone's mind. Once that system failed, ppl used the freedom in the way they had it never before. Multi-party democracy takes it own course and a long time to perform. what is 12 years? It takes hundred years for it to be like more refined as one in Britain. The words of Gyanendra is almost identical that of his grandpa Mahendra when he dismissed the government of Late BP Koirala accusing his goverment for being inept. Yes, there are so called Maoist and granted the political parties did not do well to handle the situation but that does not give any right for a constitutional monarch to dismiss a government elected by people. That's the bottom line. If he is that concerned about democracy and all just give back the executive power back and reinstate the government of Deuba he wrongfully dismissed.
The maoist situation has gone worse to almost state of hopeless after this king assumed all the power on him. He is just trying to be a player by creating confusion between maoist situtation and telling ignorant ppl about how our democracy failed by having 12 govts in 12 years. what an asshole
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| nsshrestha |
Posted
on 27-Jan-04 03:42 PM
I think the last line of the paragraph suffices.
TIME: It's difficult to escape the impression of parties and the palace squabbling while the country folds around them.
Nepal: We do have a sense of urgency. Among the people there is a feeling that the king is not in favor of democracy, but wants to impose autocracy. And if the present situation continues, sentiment will turn against the king and the monarchy. The king is not popular. People do not give him any faith or respect. Only the parties can unite the nation. The parties might have made mistakes in the past, but who should punish them? The king, or the people?
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| Qqest |
Posted
on 27-Jan-04 03:56 PM
not gradpa..his father*
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| sushil59 |
Posted
on 27-Jan-04 04:13 PM
mickthesick,
You compared Moaist movent to LTTE or alqueda, if you look at the motives behind LTTE or alqueda is totally different than Maoist movement. Ltte is fighting for separate land or their own state and alqueda is giving religiour slogan in the sake of Islam but Moiast is giving slogan of democracy without King..... How do you comapre all three as same?
You have raised the questing about Gyanendra and other past king( birendra and mahendra and Thribhuban) but if you look and read about Nepal History, they are ideologically same. they were grew up in so called high class family and they used so called high class language. We all have at least read about all three Kings and everyone knows that Tribhuba flew to Indian in 2007 and later BP koiral and congress brought him back and declare him a king and Now his grandson is talking about Nationalism, where the hell was nationalism when his grandpapa flew to india for sake of his family.I bet you are educated person. what do you think about king doesn't shake hand with their own people? shame on him, Could you enlighten me what kind of culture is that? People had to use different royal word to address him, where in the freaking world you seen that but in Nepal.
Changing 12 government in 12 years is real democracy. Nepal has been practicing democracy for last 12 years and it is not long time compare to the other countries where there is democracy. could you tell me how many government changes happened in Japan in last 12 years. In multi-party democracy, as long as there is no faith of majority of parlimeatirian( won from vote of people), primeminister has to leave the position and all of us are aware that all the government changes because of that in nepal in last 12 years. so I would like to suggest you to read more about multi-party democracy.
Kings clearly stated that actor of democracy in last 12 years were bad. I still want to clear that in multi -party democracy, prime minister is the main actor and all the parties workers and parliamentirian is sub-actor...Does that mean all congress, commmunist leader were bad? Is that the reason he choose Surya bahadur Thapa as Prime minister and all other panchha as minister.
my comment:
don't accuse gyanendra for the panchayat system...panchayat system had nothing to do with gyanendra because he was not the creator and ruler during the panchayat system...
I found your statement very funny. King is blaming for actor in democracy? could you tell me who are actors? were primeminster only actors or all politician and minister? If you think only primeminister, then there are hundreds of other politician who never hold any public office in last 12 years. They could be good actor. If you think all included all poltician, then active monarchy includes whole royal family. and then people blamed for Gyannedra too..If you look at political dictionary about active monarchy, you will know whther people could blame Gyanendra for Panchhayat or Not?
Police and Army is kidnappin and capturing hundreds of students everyday when they want to express their feeling. Where did you see or read in the news that all youth has wright to express his/ her opinion. could you tell me that is there anyone can say that royal mascred happened by paras( despite of mystery) ? I bet no, is that what you called freedom?
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| mickthesick |
Posted
on 27-Jan-04 05:30 PM
.Okay Sushil...here I go again:
"Ltte is fighting for separate land or their own state and alqueda is giving religiour slogan in the sake of Islam but Moiast is giving slogan of democracy without King..... How do you comapre all three as same?"
my comment:
You are right when you say that LTTE is fighting for different land, and Al Qaeda is fighting for religious beliefs. You said yourself that what the fights have been is for "beliefs"
BELIEFS....yes beliefs...they don't have to be the same for everyone....and the same is the case here in our argument too.
The beliefs of LTTE is in creating a separate land and that is what they are fighting for.
The belief of Al Qaeda is for IsLamic rule ( that is what we usually think).
The belief of Maoists is for a republican state.
Now they have different beliefs but thn they all have something in common: they have been branded terrorists by everyone...the home country...the world...the United Nations....and this is the main reason why I consider all these three groups in the same balance when I weigh them.
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"We all have at least read about all three Kings and everyone knows that Tribhuba flew to Indian in 2007 and later BP koiral and congress brought him back and declare him a king and Now his grandson is talking about Nationalism, where the hell was nationalism when his grandpapa flew to india for sake of his family."
my comment:
the royal family (at the reign of Tribhuvan) fled to India not for their own security but for the security of the Kingdom of Nepal.
remember that until 2007 B.S. Nepal had always been a Kingdom and had never seen and experienced democracy. So when there was revolution in 2007 there was only one way that the country could have saved its ruler and that is why the royal family fled to India.
also remember that not all the members fled to India. Only Tribhuvan and queen fled to India. And given the circumstance at that given period of time what they did was for the sake of the country.
If you really think that they fled to India to save their asses and their life then why do you think they left their sons and grandsons in Nepal. Why did they not take their whole family with them.
There's much more to that step of King Tribhuvan that just running scared. We should consider every aspect of that period's situation and the country's politics.
Just blaming Tribhuvan for flying to India is not a good approach.
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"People had to use different royal word to address him, where in the freaking world you seen that but in Nepal. "
my comment:
every high authority person in every country in the world demands some respect and we should give them the respect too...
You can call George Bush as "georgie" when he is not a president but when you are at white house or when you meet him at the time when he is president then you should respect his wuthority and call him "Mr President" or "Sir"
The same goes to the monarch and the royal family of Nepal.
By honoring them and by addressing the royal family honorarily doesn't make us small or make them great. We are only showing respect to the authority. By calling them with royal names we are not greeting the individual person but we are respecting the throne.
There's nothing wrong with that.
You have mentioned about the British Royal family....then you should also realise that people still call them royal highness prince and princess....the royal family members maybe bad or good but they deserve respect.
The same goes for Nepal's royal family.
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"...Does that mean all congress, commmunist leader were bad?"
my comment:
I already replied you before that when the king said actors he meant a handful of people who were ministers and primeministers during the democracy. He did not mean to point at all the elected leaders of the parties..He was obviously pointing to the ones who took their seats in Singha Durbar.
I think we should not argue any more in this point because we all know what and who the King wanted to pin-point when he said "actors"
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"If you look at political dictionary about active monarchy, you will know whther people could blame Gyanendra for Panchhayat or Not? "
my comment:
I don't have to look at any dictionary to find out who should be blamed and who should not. Common sense is what I need.
The whole generation cannot be blamed for the wrong doings of an individual of that generation. The whole political system cannot be blamed for the failure of a few leaders.
That is exactly what the King said in the interview. He did not say that the democracy has failed completely. Instead he said that until now the political leaders who have occupied Singha Durbar have failed. Not once did he say that "democracy" failed.
So he blamed only a few who were responsible.
Similarly there is no reason why we should be blaming Gyanendra for what Mahendra did (the Panchayat system). Panchayat system was entirely king mahendra's fault ( i would like to say that it was a fault..our country did progress in his rule). You cannot blame the son for what the father did.
If you think that blaming gyanendra for what mahendra did is justified then let me suggest you something...Since Junga Bahadur Rana was the reason why we had 103 years of rana regime rule....let's just start blaming that on the rana family that exist today....okay let's blame the 103 years of rana rule on Queen Aishwarya....or Pradeep Sumsher Rana....or other ranas.
It just doesn't work that way.
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| utopian |
Posted
on 27-Jan-04 09:00 PM
Sushil, Statements can be interpreted in a lot of different ways. I mean you can spend your whole life analyzing the king's interview. But the truth of the moment is that no matter how much you hate king, there is no other better option than king. Just look at any of the so called leaders, namely, Girija, Madhav K Nepal or Pashupati S JBR. Who would you trust if you would trust any of these jokers. Lets not even talk about Maos. I don't even think they deserve any kind of mention in big scheme of things. They have just destroyed the country, rather than doing anything good to the country. And coming back to the politicians, what better have they done? There have been numerous threads discussing all these issues. But you know what, no matter what you say,I would rather have a secure, peaceful and productive Panchayat era than any dangerous, chaotic and manipulated Democratic era.
I don't belong to any of the so-called parties and I don't agree with autocratic systems. But enough of the show put up by the political jokers. I would be happier if they are kicked out of the country.
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| tankahang |
Posted
on 27-Jan-04 09:31 PM
i went throught he posts today and sushil it is disgusting of you to say the king and the royal family as so called high class.as one of the friend pointed out that is a simple gesture of respect and for the matter of fact they are not so called high class they are high class cause the person we talking about here is the head of the state by birth from centuries and he has to be given respect for that.for the matter of fact,ok i use the term if,if you were the king of nepal and i said "oye raja ke cha?" do you think that would sound good obviously no.
another thing is that about democracy.yeah there is somrthing wrong going on within our constitution and democracy but still the right of nobody has been breached and you know that.people are shouting the slogan against the head of the satae on an open street and how can you say ones right is breached.
you have been talking about hte parties.and hence we talk about girija,nepal etc them being the leaders.girija has been the primeminister of nepal for like 4 times,i am not sure,but atleast 4 times and all the time he has failed the nation and that too when the king had nothing to do with the syastem and now how can anybody be believing that guy and above that a sensible guy like you talking his dialect.it doesnt suit nobody as that is the man who has failed the nation not once not twice and you should remeber that we are talking about nation our nation NEPAL.
maoist,ltte and al quaeda as one friend qouted have one specific thing in common and that is they are TERRORIST.staright up and if you call them revolutionary or whatever then you know it you aer wrong.a political thought cant be injected in ones mind with the barrel of the gun and thats what it is happening.and the mass maoist have is not because f their noble thoughts it is called capitalizng frustation and on a large extent using force.i would be compelled be a maoist if a gun is on my head or my family member is under a tthreat.and yes if you give a guy example here ,rukum,which always was a little ignored place a fake dream,a gun to shoot and a license to loot who would not.
i think you and all the ,now i use,so called democratic minds analyze this..
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| Garibjanata |
Posted
on 27-Jan-04 09:59 PM
Sushil, Just because Koirala came with Tribhuvan in the same plane does not mean that it was he who brought Tribhuvan back and put him on the throne. It was Nehru who decided not to do away with Monarchy. On the other hand,Vallabhbai Patel was kind of unsure - he is supposed to have told Nehru, " Jawahar, ye powder,lipstick lagane wala kaise raj karega".
nepal's recent political history should be rewritten. Nepali Congress and its leaders worth two penny (from B.P to G.P) have been given credit for everything that has happened in Nepal's political history (past fifty years). We also know that the 1990 democracy would not have occurred without Rajiv Gandhi and Chandrashekar. But again, we gave credit to Nepali Congress and made worthless people like Ganeshman, Girija and Krishna Prasad our leaders. Its a shame.Its unfair.
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| Garibjanata |
Posted
on 27-Jan-04 10:02 PM
Anyway, why bring Tribhuvan in the picture. He was a good man except that he had huge soft corner for Matrika prasad, a nincompoop. Curse Mahendra, Birendra,Gyanendra and Paras but not Tribhuvan.
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| Garibjanata |
Posted
on 27-Jan-04 10:18 PM
Sushil,
READ TODAy's Himalayan Times
Chandra Shekhar, who is regarded as a key figure in the success of 1990 movement, is in Kathmandu to attend the marriage ceremony of the daughter of NC leader, Chakra Prasad Bastola. After landing at Tribhuvan International Airport, Chandra Shekhar told reporters, "I am not happy about the situation in Nepal." Nepali Congress (NC) central level leaders, including party president Girija Prasad Koirala, were present to welcome the veteran politician.
Prior to the announcement of the mass revolution in 1990, the former Indian PM had addressed a gathering at the house of late Ganesh Man Singh in Chaksibari. Given the political deadlock due to the triangular conflict between the King, political parties and the Maoist "Chandra Shekhar's visit holds special significance," say observers. Photo on page 4
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 27-Jan-04 10:33 PM
I have long believed that HM Gyanendra is not responsible for the palace massacre. As a person who has grown up with six siblings, I also understand the pain of parting with them permanently. The first time I supported Gyanendra was because I tried to empathize with him. It is very painful to lose so many of one's family members. Specially the brothers and sisters with whom you grew up, shared food and shared lullaby. It is even more painful to be accused of their murder.
However, for the rest of the crimes HM Gyanendra has committed against Nepal, he should be punished. How could he say parties don't speak for people? This is a common threat every dictator has tried to exploit. Every dictator thinks that they are the uniting force. Why is so? Why was Saddam the only person in Iraq who could bond together fractious Kurd/Shiya/Sunni? Why is the Chinese Communist Party considers itself the only entity that could put together Tibetans/Xinjiangese/Mongolians? Why Daniel Arap Moi always claimed Kenya would no longer be an united Kenya once he was out of power? These dictators have played with their people by furtively fostering interethnic tension and trying to benefit from them. Most of the times such explanations are baseless. If Nepal has ethnic tension and the kings are the only persons who could glue these ethnic groups together, then what were they doing to improve such ethnic tension in the 200+ years of their rule? They are all the 'pressure tactics' of these dictators.
If king Gyanendra really so much loves his country, why doesn't he create an environment for his graceful exit? Why is he trying to suck in more money from national coffer? Why is he hobnobbing with the Jogi/Pandas/Mandales of the past whom people shooed away in 2046 and in subsequent elections? Doesn't he have any faith in election? If so, he should clearly spell that out.
It is good to see him talking candidly with, at least, a foreigner. Also, savant readers probably already noticed that Time pejoratively wrote Gyanendra in stead of King Gyanendra in the interview. But Perry has courageously asked some questions. He was also gracious to quote CK Lal. It is necessary to remember the spat between Lal and Perry last time when Time covered the Maoist movement.
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| OZ Guy |
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on 27-Jan-04 11:33 PM
Royal family has not stood as an example in the past, but still I would trust the king MORE than any of the corrupt politicians. I would in no way trust MAKUNE, Thapa, Chucche Girije, Rabindre chature ghussya bahun, Bhude Govinde etc. These actors have really made our country a failed state. I think we should give Gyanendra a chance to experiment for at least next 2 years.After all we did give 12 years to all these inept politicians. ( Not like Panchayat system which was too autocratic though life was much better than it is now).
Bad news for the country is all the able, educated people are abroad, leaving the country to such losers as Girija (who I hear has bearly passed SLC). Isn't it our duty to give something back to our country? How about returning back to where you belong, if not now, may be somewhere down the line to contribute towards the betterment of the country.
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| Paagal |
Posted
on 28-Jan-04 04:24 AM
The truth is :
Gyanendra is taking advantage of the situation. A King can not be above constitution, this has happened nowhere else, except in Nepal. Do you guys think, he loves people and country to act like that?
The truth is that he saw Maoist uprising in the country and this was a real threat dangerto monarchy system.
Don't you ever even dream that the Kings have compassion for poor people of Nepal.
The POWER to rule the country is the only they are concerned. How can the royal family of Nepal know the pain of hunger when they only knew indulging in parties and spending national reserve for their minor checkups in UK?
I am sure and certain about one thing that those who support now will start hating him once he doesn't give up power to nepalese people.
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| nepali13 |
Posted
on 28-Jan-04 06:02 AM
Gyanendra has fired the prime minister Sher B Deuwa and took over the executive power stating that he is inept and couldn’t hold the election with in time frame. Oh well such things happen only in Nepal but where in the world. So called constitutional king can jump in to the politics and picks his pocket guys to run the country on name of nationality and suck up the national resources to his own benefits. Still some people think that he is the most trust worthy and symbol of unity?? I am still trying to find that symbol as he claimed which may change my views towards him until then he is just a freaking dictator who is trying to use all the methods to manipulate the people of Nepal and suck it up. And flee to UK or Switzerland to live happily ever after.
He should get fired because he couldn’t hold the election on time as Sher B Deuwa, either. And how long should we bear this white elephant?
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| OZ Guy |
Posted
on 28-Jan-04 06:07 AM
Time will show it eventually. But the politicians are so much stinky in front of the public, they haven't been able to really put pressure on the king. And for the same reaosn, the king has been able to get an upper hand all this time.
let's not forget these are the same politicians who bought M.P.s at a rate of one crore rupees during the vote of no confidence. They were so obssessed to be in power that even hookers were hired to indulge these so called leaders during the vote of no confidence so that no one crossed the floor. Now tell me how these bastards have the rights to stand in their luture feet and chant slogans and claim that they are the true force of Nepalese democracy. King has understood this very well and has risen to this opportunity to fully punish the politicians. I am not too sure about the true motive of the king. If it's the desire of the king to grab the power and rule like king Mahendra, it's very unfortunate and should be checked. However, some degree of control over these politicians are needed and at the moment that is what is happening. Remember how Pervez Musharef was condemned in the beginning, but now everyone has really understood the need of his interference in Pakistan.
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| sushil59 |
Posted
on 28-Jan-04 06:45 AM
We all have at least read about Panchhayat system. There were hundreds of bad things happened during Panchhayat. I want to highlight couple of them and I believe nepal is still under developed because of those things happned in Panchhayat.
King Mahendra sacked elected Bp Koirala. EVeryone should know that there were lot of new things had started in that 18 months. One of them was land reform revoultion( Bhumisudhar Kantri). Mahendra had personality crash with Bp koirala. At that time, Bp was vice president of world socialist Federation so he was renowned by more people and nation of the world than King Mahendra. I believe everyone knows that Mao( chinese communist leader) refused to meet king and met BP koirala. Our all kings had/ has big ego problem. That's the main reason behind 2017 so i think monarchy has problem.
mickthesick , In usa, People called Mr or Sir George for president. you are right on that but you won't get punished or arrested by calling only geroge or whatever but In nepal if you swear or make fun of him, you will get arrested. this is fundamental different between democracy and autocracy.
someone here raised the question about education of political leaders. if you look at Indian or american or Britain political history, there were good leaders who didn't have stong education background. I think there are two things needed to leader. Ideology and personalty. if you look at Gyanendra, he neither has ideology nor personality. once i showed his picure to some other people from other countries, they were wondering that we didn't have Gym or he is not concerning about his health.... look at the recent picture
Mickthich, Tribhuban flew to India with all his familly besides Gyannendra. Gyanendra was only couple years old and they couldn't take that aged boy in plane in that time. that's why he was in crown for couple months. How do you tell me that king flew to India to save Nation? how he can save country by going to India. He saw threat to his family...where do you read that jawarlal Nehru made him retrun and put him in crown..
My point here is not Gyanendra or Birendra or Mahendra. The whole Monarchy have Problem.
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| Garibjanata |
Posted
on 28-Jan-04 08:32 AM
Sushil, Don't write nonsense. I know B.P. koirala and his ilk intimately than most of you.I don't talk bull without solid proofs. Why Mahendra ousted him? - chief reason was he and his cronies started to act as if they were the king. Ditto did the koirala females. NC activists filled all the government posts- the system became corrupt.So Mahendra decided to do away with BP, unfortunately on the pretext of ousting him, he also ousted the fledgling democracy.
Its an awfully wrong statement to make that Koirala brought the King back and installed him on the throne. It was Nehru and only Nehru. And now don't tell me that the B P Koirala was bigger than Nehru in stature.
YOU WROTE:
King Mahendra sacked elected Bp Koirala. EVeryone should know that there were lot of new things had started in that 18 months. One of them was land reform revoultion( Bhumisudhar Kantri). Mahendra had personality crash with Bp koirala. At that time, Bp was vice president of world socialist Federation so he was renowned by more people and nation of the world than King Mahendra. I believe everyone knows that Mao( chinese communist leader) refused to meet king and met BP koirala. Our all kings had/ has big ego problem. That's the main reason behind 2017 so i think monarchy has problem.
MY ANSWER: NEPALI CONGRESS PROPOGANDA. We saw the same thing being rehashed after the 1990 democracy.Making giants out of lilliputs.Ganesh man, Krishna Prasad and Girija, the NC trioka- were treated as demi-gods. And now see what your demi-gods did to us.
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| sushil59 |
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on 28-Jan-04 08:40 AM
I don't believe in demi gods. Proably you are the one who praise King as god in this 21st century. i don't blieve in god bs. what is that felicitaion by hindu to gyanendra for Hindu's king?
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| askme |
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on 28-Jan-04 09:11 AM
It All SUCKS!!!!
How can someone (King ) be of public or for country when he cannot be of His BROTHER!!!
Just Think!!!!
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| KoHoTyo? |
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on 28-Jan-04 09:11 AM
Sushil ! You're DA MAN !!!!
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| TANKAHANG |
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on 28-Jan-04 12:55 PM
the king is to be blamed for every thing and the democratic partiue s are right as you see it .let me take you take you to sometime back
there was a huge strike going against girija when then this lauda case was there.a huge strike.and i personally almost became a victim of that strike when i had nothing to do with it and i just happened to be at a wrong place at a wrong time.anycase that strike was justifiable to some extent.and then after what happened you know it it just cooled down.NOW you see cpn uml and nepali congress going on had to hand against the king.now what credibility should i and you find in this coalition(that tooo for a wrong and silly cause) now can cpn uml say girija was not involved in the lauda case and didnt he do a fraudlent to the nation.was that not a case of cheating and corruption.
I BRING this incident to light just to say that how oppurtunist these parties are.the king is a threat to them as he has thw power to whoop their ass.
I WOULD also like to ask that what democratic right has anyone lost to blame the king.cant a student go to school,has anybody forced to serve the army compulsary,cant you talk you r mind ,cant you walk on the streets freely.......what is a democratic right i think this is it and everybody is free to practice this in nepal.the only fear is of the parties.their riots makes us affected they destroy things and they do the monkey business which has direct effect in our lives.
now parties are talking with maoists who are terrorist as all we know.and you seee thwm bigger and loyal than the king it is funnny and it is sad.THE SOLUTION FOR OUR COUNTRY IS KING AND HE SHOULD BE GIVEN THE POWER TO WHOOP THE ASS OF THESE PARTIES IF THEY DO ANYTHING WRONG.
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| sushil59 |
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on 28-Jan-04 01:40 PM
TANKAHANG ,
You know what happened in 2046. King and his loyalists were saying that one party panchayat system was the only one non-alternative system for Nepal and nepali but what happened in 2046. King knee down in front of politician. he agreed to give his power to Parties. if you look at world history, you don't find any king who gives up his power without revolution.
You should know that there are neither any permanent enemy nor friends in politics so politics flows its way as people needed. As all of us know, couple years back girija and cpn uml fighting for each other and now it just seems like it has stopped but i don't think it has permanently stopped. they ( UML and congress) just put those agenda in a side and fighting against autocracy.... that's how politics cs goes... I bet if things will go worsened in future, UMl , congress and Maoist will unite together against autocracy and you will see what happened......
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| pipaldanda |
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on 28-Jan-04 07:00 PM
Whether we talk about king or no king one thing for sure these so called leaders of political partys have totally destroyed not only security and prosperity of nepal but also educational system of the country. All the potical partys wear the mask of student today and tomorrow mask of party worker. Most of the protestors are not the students but the party workers themselves. It is a shame to see this kind of low grade politicians preaching democracy. And do you think these party leaders are true democrates? At least we have peace before and can travel anywhere in the country freely. All these Girija and nepal etc introduced hooliganism in the country. Where is our "shanti-chetra nepal now?
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| nepali13 |
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on 29-Jan-04 06:07 AM
I agreed that political parties have committed numerous mistakes in the past. And Leaders have totally failed to rise and lead us to the prosperity and stability. However that's the process of politics and its course. It’s the part of the democratic exercise which would take time to fully develop. People should be the one to hold accountable to leaders and political parties of its wrongdoing. Not a King who lives in the palace and has no clue what’s going around in the country? We shouldn't forget that 30 years of Panche Raj has destroyed the social(moral) structure and trust between Nepalese. Royal family and its CHAMCHE have inherited the conspiracy theory and turn people against each others in order to divide them and rule the country. It has been going on since Prithivi Narayan Shah has died. Always Darbar was active in politics and looking for an opportunity to grab the power. They never wanted to prosper stable political situation and democratic process in the country. They couldn't swallow easily that people of Nepal are electing to the public office and running the country. If palace wouldn't have the ill will towards democracy system, they could have shown the patience to follow the constitution and respect it. Instead of taking over the power in middle of the night and pushing country towards the turmoil.
If anyone claims that he/she is unites but not divider and wants to call him selves a symbol of national unity ( as some people has said) then he/she wouldn't violate the continuation and push aside national parties and isolate from the main stream politics. One should rise and be an exemplary to show how to respect the law and order of the country. But Gyanendra has broken the law and doing (saying) everything to justify his illegal move and at the same time asking others to respect it? How that could be possible? And what we have got so far from Kings Autocracy? It has been over 200 years. How Gyanendra dare to say that nothing has happened within 12 years of democratic process? What was he expecting and how he would compare between 200 years of autocracy and 12 years of democracy?
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| tankahang |
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on 29-Jan-04 09:27 PM
dissolving the parliament in the middle of the night or in the broad day light had to be done was not it.a pm comes and ask some time to make his failure go right and the king permits and then again he pops up and says he couldnt do it and hence he needs more time.now how is it possible to allow more time for that,you say it.
you talk about democracy can do this and do that well yeah it is the most effective system of ruling in the country,but everything doesnt apply everywhere(i dont mean we have to have an autocratic rule).here we are in nepal where a vote of all the member of fmaily go to that party whom the head of the family puts his vote on.swasni chora chori all of them do.another example i can relate is the place where PRAKASH koirala won the election and you can say that just because of manisha koirala where she said she would go on picnic should they make her father win.and that was a place where cpn uml was winning the election till the previous election.now you think what kind of mass we have.
girija a failure total failure who has failed the country time and again always wins now doesnt it show what kind of voters we have.
2046 bs,the multiparty system was announced yes good.now tell me if there was anybody except of some few in kathmandu,biratnagar,dharan etc the major cities going on protest.my grandfather who lives in village tells me that he didnt even know what was going on then.my villagers tell me that they heard "democracy was on" just on radio all of a sudden.that was not the king going down on this knees rather the king mistaking on thinking that it was the appropriate time to give the democracy.
king gyanendra,what has he done.he kicked the ass of the failed primeminister,had he not then again it would be said that the king acted in an unconstitutional way by the rest of the politicians.the king has not even ruled our country.do you see these bastards allowing the king to rule if he has any intentions of ruling.its all the baseless sentiments of the people about hte royal massacre coming into play in the peoples mind to see the king the wrong way and nothing more.
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| shaiva |
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on 01-Feb-04 06:21 AM
"girija a failure total failure who has failed the country time and again always wins now doesnt it show what kind of voters we have."
Shaha-Rana total failure for over 200 years. They still rule the country. Shows what kind of people we are. Hare Shiva, how do you argue with such deranged minds?
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| acharya |
Posted
on 01-Feb-04 01:16 PM
Just make me the damn PM, I know how to rule Nepal...
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| tankahang |
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on 01-Feb-04 03:06 PM
yeah tell me how has the king failed us on what ground can you say that.ranas were wrong the history proves it and they failed.now king or say the shah regime how has it failed us.king is a human being tooo so there should have beeen some mistakes true but over all say how he failed.
panchayat regime was autocratic welll yeah but you had everything developing the industry the tourism education everything was going up.now these last 10 12 years what have you seeen new except for cybercafes and clubs.where is the industrializaton,educational improvement economic growth where are all these.12 years is a long time in this modern economy.llok at rnac now what it was and what it is...........
the king did that is not it.... the mills of biratnagar ,the king that ....... and the voilence thats going on the king did that..... and 60 dasy of protests and strikes in a year of 365 days that too is the king whos responsible.the office and vehicles destroyed what else more you dont know or whatevr bad thats happening or happened thats the king to be blamed is it.
DERANGED MINDS. you need a fighetr jet in the times of prithivi naarayan shah and a company like ibm in the times of surendra raja wellll that didnt happen so the shah regime is a failure.uml maobadi congress all are right theyll save the nation and everything will be goood once girija becomes the prime minister or madhav nepal.
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| pipaldanda |
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on 01-Feb-04 06:19 PM
Last 12 years of democracy what we have seen:
(1) small danda wala police changed into rifle wala
(2)Sleeping army confined to army barrack has been woken up and now they are patroling the street.
(3) Looting and arson is common
(4) There is no sense of security and freedom to travel in any place in the country
(5) Military budget has been sky rocketed
(6)What the party leaders promised before democracy turned out to be mearly a Hoax during democracy.
(7)All important corporations like"National Trading Corporation" etc has been sold at low price to party friendly businessman.
(8)Previousely we know exactly whom to give bribe to make the thing work. Now it is worse . we have to give bribe to several partys but still things doesn't work.
(9) Worst of all, lean and thin political leaders before democracy became Chillo and moto and their mahal started to appear in the midsts of Kathmandu valley.
(10) Educated students will never burn tires in the streets of Kathmandu. Because they should know it is a health hazzard and it is slow poisening our own people. But the party leaders are directing party workers to do this disguised as students.
In real democracy all these should never happened. As a matter of fact it was much much better before 12 years of democracy.
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| buddu |
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on 01-Feb-04 09:34 PM
After a darkest night comes out the sunlight in the morning. In the same way, gold is produced by several processes of refinements. We can't ecpect better results immediately after democracy, in a country like ours. Is it wise to be under dictatorship because last 12 years were bad? I do understand that people who are wealthy and rich want King Gyanendra to rule because for them Kathmandu is Nepal.
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| Nepali Kanchi |
Posted
on 02-Feb-04 08:32 AM
If the Indian Congress party wins the upcoming elections, (now that Rahul Gandhi is running), will India- Nepal relations change ? I know the BJP(as Hindu nationalists) is a supporter of the King. Isnt Indian Congress and Nepal Congress close (the Spring Awakening et at. ) ?
If the Indian Congress wins this election, will it help our parties regain control of the Nepali government? Furthermore, since the Gandhis are "socialist" following Nehru's platform, will they support a Republican government?
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| spark |
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on 02-Feb-04 01:37 PM
Why is so important for India to preserve Gandhi blood in Indian politics? It appears that there is no able leader in a nation of one billion people to manage its people. Congress I's winning in Indian cabinet was a misshap to patriotic king Birendra then. Not sure what will happen to present Nepali monarch.
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| jivman |
Posted
on 02-Feb-04 02:31 PM
Politicians are the real asshole in Nepal. Students should be protesting them, not the otherway. They side with anyone when they have to like a whore. I dount if anyone realizes that because of their attitude the younger generation cannot get proper education in Nepal because of strikes and chakkajam.
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| spark |
Posted
on 02-Feb-04 02:41 PM
pipaldanda, well said!
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| nsshrestha |
Posted
on 02-Feb-04 04:06 PM
Pipaldanda, On 12 years of democracy what you could not comprehend:
1. small danda wala police changed into rifle wala
– To protect thula thapa, sana thapa, dhyake lohani and your company.
2. Sleeping army confined to army barrack has been woken up and now they are patroling the street
– To protect your over-lord.
2. Looting and arson is common
- Left it unanswered so you can set your head on fire and contemplate why all this is happening.
4. There is no sense of security and freedom to travel in any place in the country
- For common people there was nothing to secure neither then nor now.
5. Military budget has been sky rocketed
– Again to protect your over-lord. So glued to the thrown, sara janata ko jyan jaos tara kursi najaos.
6. What the party leaders promised before democracy turned out to be mearly a Hoax during democracy.
- You are a fool again, you should have checked the genuineness of what they have said. And you have the stick to punish them, in democrary, it is called ballot.
7. All important corporations like"National Trading Corporation" etc has been sold at low price to party friendly businessman.
- At least sold. Not given on dowry to some bhyanti princess.
8. Previousely we know exactly whom to give bribe to make the thing work. Now it is worse . we have to give bribe to several partys but still things doesn't work.
- It must have been really worse for you not knowing whom to bribe.
9. Worst of all, lean and thin political leaders before democracy became Chillo and moto and their mahal started to appear in the midsts of Kathmandu valley.
- Still King and his cronies are chillo and moto and they have biger and larger mahal in kathmandu.
10. Educated students will never burn tires in the streets of Kathmandu. Because they should know it is a health hazzard and it is slow poisening our own people. But the party leaders are directing party workers to do this disguised as students.
In real democracy all these should never happened. As a matter of fact it was much much better before 12 years of democracy.
- Finally we need a lecture from on what is right and what not.
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| pipaldanda |
Posted
on 02-Feb-04 04:18 PM
I thought Panchayat era was the darkest era in Nepal. But now we know Political partys brought the worst era in Nepal history. How darkest era have we to go before our country turn into a failed state? My opinion (just mine!) it has to be rescued! Oh no !not by Girija , Nepal and bunch of other thug party leaders. We can't trust them anymore. Enough is enough! We have to wake up. It has to be rescued by some one else . Our country had suffered enough! Girija is more dictator like when he ruled the country than autocratic panchayat system. I think autocratic party system is also not a democratic system. In short Nepal never had a democratic system. We still don't have a system where peace and prosperity would prevail.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 02-Feb-04 04:19 PM
nsshrestha, a new master of one liners! :-)
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| spark |
Posted
on 02-Feb-04 04:26 PM
Who cares Girija's crocodily tears now! His aaure baure dhupaure ooshe and poshe?? He is the same person who miserably trashed Bir Ganesh and Kishun ji.
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| yOuNgBlOoDz |
Posted
on 02-Feb-04 08:41 PM
king should n must be appoint the PM until makune/girija/kisun ji r wiped out frm the face of nepal... coz if we held any election while they r aline.. its for sure .. no one else will be PM except those.. coz.. our nepalese janta are like.. bheda... they will keep on doing mistakes over n over.. n followin grandpa's clause
yb
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| decadence |
Posted
on 03-Feb-04 10:12 AM
ludicrous! how can perry only question him about his being the living god and the supremo of nepal? why weren't there more questions put to political leaders. deuba is questioned once, but no one else. i think TIME should have been more prudent and presented a whole picture of the political fiasco here in nepal by taking opinions of the important players in the present conflict. and i would liked to have seen the king being questioned about his future plans. talking as he was, like the embelm of authority, he could have been cornered- but i am in no way suggesting that it is the job of a scribe to look for skeletons in the cupboard- and a HUGE one at that.
i am just thinking about the picture of nepal presented to the international community by the last article. reading that piece, one can't help but portray Nepal as a failed state. i hope common sense prevails among international journalists what to put forward for the world to see, especially when the person concerned is a non-residential correspondent.
in his last article about nepal, alex perry presents kathmanu as Sarajevo,literally- i don't remember the exact words but it went something like: BEWARE THE MAOISTS ARE COMING!- and he was talking particularly about the valley! now whrere in kathmandu has anyone heard such forebodings?
all in all: i am very disappointed with the article, and the subsequent interview with the king published in TIME. TIME certainly could have presented a far more ballenced view.
cheers
decadence
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