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SaiBaba_exposed Posted on 27-Jan-04 11:07 AM

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An Indian Skeptic's explanation of miracles

By "Anti-Guru" B. Premanand

Q: Explain "Miracle" shortly and surely state the related specific social incidents of following miracles:

b) Making Vibhuti (holy ash) from air and coin.

c) Vibhuti produced from Satya Sai Baba's photographs.

A: Miracle is something done by supernatural powers. Mysteires are "natural phenomena" about which we do not know anything. But we have been believing "Mysteries" as miracles as we did not know what was behind them.


b) Making Vibhuti (holy ash) from air and coin : No one can create any matter from nothing or from air except by physical and chemical reactions of a matter which can only transform one matter into another. This phenomena of creating anything from nothing is against the theory of conservation, "That matter and energy are two sides of the same coin and they can neither be created nor destroyed." This theory is taught to us in the High School Classes. To get ash one has to burn firewood, or cowdung or paper. The ash so made has no smell unless perfume is added to it. The godmen like Satya Sai Baba claim to create anything from nothing. When they produce vibhuti or some other thing, it has to be hidden in their hands or the body, as they make the same movements of the hands and the body like a magician. No godman so far in the history of Mankind has created anything without the movements of hands and body and by clearly showing their hands empty and then create something without any movement. The godman's devotees argue as to how vibhuti which is in powder form can be hidden in the palms when the palm is kept down and moved in circles. They think that when the hands are kept palms down, the ash being powder would fall down and come to a wrong conclusion that the godman has really created vibhuti. What the godmen do is, that they mix perfume in the ash or purchase perfumed ash and make a dow by adding starch solution (Kanji water is the best) and then make small balls and dry them. These balls are hidden between the thumb and the pointing finger and after circling the hand palms down and while raising the hand to produce vibhuti, bring the vibhuti ball to the finger tips, powder the same and give it to the devotee.

The vibhuti from coin is produced by chemical reaction. One Vilas Baba of Phelton Village in Maharashtra challenged me through newspapers in 1982 when I was touring Maharashtra, that if I prove that his miracle of producing vibhuti from coins is a trick he is prepared to pay me Rs.5 lakhs. I accepted the challenge and agreed to meet him on the last day of my tour, as my lecture programmes were already arranged at the rate of four programmes a day and in between we had to travel more than 200 km. every day and the schedule was so tight. But the godman replied saying that his soul is going to Himalayas for penance and will be back only the next day of the date fixed by me. As it was a matter of Rs.5 lakhs, I agreed to the next day by extending my stay in Maharashtra by another day. I went to Phelton on the day and time fixed, but the godman was missing. He had left the place bag and baggage and has not so far returned back.

One can produce ash like matter only from alluminium coins. You ask someone to give you 5, 10 or twenty paise coins and as if you are reciting mantra rub the coin with mercuric chloride solution and blowing on the coin. Then handover the coin to the person asking him to keep the hand closed with the coin. Send mental power to the hand and the coin would be hot (by chemical reaction). Then when he opens his fist, grey matter is seen appearing on the coin which has been produced by chemical reaction of mercuric chloride an alluminium and water. People believe that it is holy ash. The grey powder continuously forms on the coin for hours together according to the quantity of mercuric chloride used on the coin. Even when one removes the grey matter, still it start forming again.

c) Vibhuti produced from Satya Sai Baba's photographs.: Actually vibhuti does not fall constantly from the framed photographs of Satya Sai Baba. To know if really vibhuti forms on the glass, unless one removes a portion sticking to the glass it cannot be known. What is done is, ash is mixed in starch solution and sprayed on the glass except the face. The man in whose house vibhuti is forming on the photos does not permit any one to go near them or touch them. They say that if any one touches them with an intention to verify the truth the vibhuti stops forming! What is done is the top of the photo frame is hollow and is filled with vibhuti, while the glass is fitted loose. When the ceiling fan is switched on, the ash stored in the photo frame top flies and people think that really vibhuti is falling from the photos. This could be exposed by removing a part of the vibhuti pasted on the glass and see if it again forms there and by stopping the fan. In one house of an advocate at R.S.Puram, Coimbatore where this claim was made, I had to wait for more than two hours as there was power cut and only when power came, I was taken to the prayer room to see the vibhuti falling from the photos of the godman. When I came out the fan was put off, but I suddenly turned around to see if vibhuti was still comming from the photos, it had stopped!



sushil59 Posted on 27-Jan-04 02:38 PM

This religious crap is nothing but BS. I don't think there are any god in this Universe. Millions of people are dying in India everyday but what the hell sai baba is doing to them.I have heard abut that Bivuti from sai baba's picture a long time back when I was in Nepal but whoever told me that incident, they were either devotee or follower of sai baba. I am just wondering why these kind of so called god exist in india where illetracy is high and why they don't exist in developed country like united states and Europe. No offense to Sai devotee though but I would like to suggest to sai baba follower to spend your time for something human kind rather than worshiping him......
MapleTree Posted on 28-Jan-04 10:15 AM

There is one SaiBaba house in Maharajganj, Chakrapath where I have seen bhivuti falling from Sai's picuture few years back. I didn't know what to make out of it. I think the house belong to Mr. Ramesh Nepali and he used to be executive on Nepal Telecom. corporation. The last I heard is his house is almost like a Sai temple with millions of donation pouring in. I think in last four years the amount of bhivuti has also increased. Have anyone visited that place or could visit that place and post their experience on this fourm. That would be really appreciated.

(The said house lies on the road that connects chakrapath and Mandikhatar)...

Thanks,
Bilbo Baggins Posted on 28-Jan-04 10:31 AM

Bhakti cannot be explained by physical scientific theories. Bhakti is within you! It is to be felt and not explained. I can worship a stone as god and if I believe that to be GOD and I am happy about it ... that's all that should matter.

There are a lot of things in this world that cannot be explained by Physical Science so just because something cannot be explained by science ... let's not disreggard it!

From what I understand within Sai Baba's followers are highly educated people ... even people from western countries are devottees of Saibaba ... there is something there ... but I don't know what!!
Paagal Posted on 28-Jan-04 10:58 AM

The more knowledge one has, the more expert he/she becomes debating.

Logic never ends. There are half who support and half who don't. So noone is winner.

Sai Baba has helped thousands, but I haven't helped anybody. Not even myself.

What's the use of that knowledge which doesn't accept others good deed?

What's the use of that knowledge which makes one expert in chasing for more money?

What's the use of that knowledge which makes us more miserable?

What's the use of that knowledge which makes us more greedy?

I understand, in this world there are people who want to promote their ego by showing others' fault. Like me, for instance.

But unfortunately, his/her criticism is just like a dog barking in the streets. Not a single leaf in a tree is going to move. Great mystics have never been disturbed at all however one may try because they are in a different world where no fear exists.

All Religions are Very Good. But the so called religious people are devil.