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| ProudNepali |
Posted
on 04-Feb-04 10:53 PM
Is it MELO or King James??? The title of KING is pretty primitive-ain't it?? Lebron So far has been living up to his expectations. No doubt he is the next Big THing in the NBA. But hey Wacthout for Carmelio Anthony. Though neither of them made the NBA all-star Game, their achievements so far had been as good as those of any previous NBA Rookies. They are of the same class and are both in their teens. Their rivalry is going to last for long long time if they continue to paly for different teams. And this certainly is a Good thing for us NBA fans.
Now the time for the real talk!! Who is going to bag the ROOkie of the year CROWN?? Melo or James?? Each of them are having terrific seasons. So far, Anthony has the edge. Looking at their team records this is an easy choice. But hey, it's not just because Nuggets are doing better than the cavaliers but also that they are in a tougher Conference. They have not only the better record but also a better one on one record. Media has so much to do with the publicity of James but Anthony is definitely having a better impact in his team as compared to Jame's Cavaliers. And to add on to that just ONe day after Lebron James score his career high of 38 points Anthony bounces with his own carrer high of 39 points. Whether in a Head to head battle or indirect battle Anthony is having the edge. And to make the matter worse for Lebron James, Cavaliers is most likely to sit out of the playoff games. On the other hand the opposite is true for Nuggets. As a matter of fact, the Nuggets might record the best TURNAROUND Season in the League's History. So far, My heart goes with Anthony. Lebron is right there and will miss by very little in the ultimate CRown marathon.
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| Rusty |
Posted
on 05-Feb-04 05:35 AM
"Media has so much to do with the publicity of James but Anthony is definitely having a better impact in his team as compared to Jame's Cavaliers."
Very well said.
Definitely this race for the rookie of the year award is yet to be scrutinized throughout the season. LeBrown certainly puts on his show night in and night out, but we should realize that he's the main scorer in his team after Ricky Davis is traded. On the other hand, Melo has too many veteren players in his team; despite of that, he's been maintaining his stats. Western Conference is tougher than Eastern one, and this year Nuggets are better team mainly because of Melo's impact. LeBrown James is certainly versatile players and future of NBA, but from all other prospective, Melo will get that award.. or both of them share the award.
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| shirish |
Posted
on 05-Feb-04 06:50 AM
Lebron James certainly!
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| Rusty |
Posted
on 05-Feb-04 07:03 AM
Addition: Nuggets are better team this year mainly because of Melo's impact and Marcus Camby's healthiness.....
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| shirish |
Posted
on 05-Feb-04 07:06 AM
Lebron missed the last shot shot against the Lakers which would have broke the tie and won the game...
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| AX |
Posted
on 05-Feb-04 07:56 AM
Melo gets the nod. His team will be playing for the playoff. That says a lot. No doubt both players are very talented players and they will be playing for long time in NBA. It will take 2-3 years to be all star caliber players.
I would say CAVS has better players than the Nuggets. Ilgauskas or Boozer (especially him) should be selected to All Star game replacing Jamaal M from Hornets.
Coach Silas does not think James is a point guard. James plays better when ball is in his hand but is he really a true point guard?
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| yOuNgBlOoDz |
Posted
on 05-Feb-04 09:49 AM
like rusty n ax bro said up there.. melo's team have chances for playoff berth with the effort each player is givin toward a game.. while cavs still at the spot where they were last season.. no matter how much points james score.. mostly they end up losin game... well i still ain't gonna say one is better then the other.. i will probably vote em both.. n share the award.. co-rookie :=)
yb
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| aakash |
Posted
on 05-Feb-04 12:45 PM
It is nobody else but THE 'MELO !!! MELO is definetly the rookie of the year!!!
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| nepali13 |
Posted
on 06-Feb-04 06:16 AM
It's true that this year Nuggets is playing like a play off team in spite of THE TOUGH division and the conference. No question about MELO contribution in to the success of Nuggets having this year. However He is not the only piece of puzzle which fell on right place for the Nuggets. He has got plenty helps from other key players Camby and Miller. On the other hand, James is leading the team all by him selves. And he is doing everything, scoring, assists, rebounding night in and night out. In my view he is over all better than Melo. I guess he has lived up to the expectation and handle the media pressure better then any 18 year old kid would ever do. So I am rooting for the James. However both have the potential to grow and lead the league in the future. It would be heck of game to watch once both will hit the prime time of their career.
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| Rusty |
Posted
on 06-Feb-04 08:49 AM
Ufffffff!! Too many NBA threads going on.... What happened to GP last night?
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| nepali13 |
Posted
on 06-Feb-04 08:51 AM
GP got what he deserved. I am darn happy to see that AI kicked Shaq and Lakers lousy ass.
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| AX |
Posted
on 06-Feb-04 09:17 AM
Nepali13 says "Melo has got plenty helps from other key players Camby and Miller."
Let's not forget same Miller and Camby both were flop with their previous teams. James got better sidekick than Melo has. James got good players like of Boozer and Ilgauskas and newly acquired Jeff M. and what happened to another highly touted Cavaliers Dajuan Wagner? :)
Great one makes the best out of other players. That's what Melo is doing unlike James (who wants to lead on every category for his team) He leads the team with the TO too :)
May be Melo got something do with injury free season for Marcus Camby ;)
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| nepali13 |
Posted
on 06-Feb-04 10:33 AM
Ax, you should not forget that when Camby was playing in Knicks (Healthy Camby) they have reached to the final. Camby was the one who provided the most needed inside presence for the Knicks( because Ewing was out due to injury). And he is darn good at rebound and block. And Melo got the healthy (solid) Camby back up... And Miller is one of the best point/shooting guards in the league... Its Cavs lost that they traded him otherwise things would have been so different in Cleveland... James also surrounded by talents however he is leading them instead of learning from them as a rookie. On the other hand, Melo is just going out there and putting the show instead of worrying about being a leader of the team. That's the difference between Melo and James.
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| DWI |
Posted
on 06-Feb-04 10:40 PM
Good topic.
If you ask me who is gonna get the Rookie of the Year, I will agree with most of the folks here, Ax, Younga and Rusty, and say it probably might be Carmelo.
But if you ask me who is a better player, it has to be LeBron James. Players like Melo, have come in NBA, shine through and made a good career out of it. Players like James are very rare find. Michael Jordan, Hakeem, Magic, Duncan do not come all the time. LeBron is not there yet, but I bet he is better in this age, than any of the above mentioned players when they were 19. LeBron has shown every potential that he is gonna be better.
U decide.
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| ProudNepali |
Posted
on 01-Mar-04 02:07 AM
Is It still gonna be ANthony?? OR apparently JAmes has the edge??
Seems limt both of the rookies had picked up their games and are producing to their fullest. Both of them are averaging over 20 pppg which is more than 1ppg imporvement since the first posting of this thread. now the Cavaliers are in the outside looking in the Eastern conference. Their chances are as good as that of anyone else who are in the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th positions in the latest ranking.
SO the question now becomes (which was not so relevant last time.... mostly due to the standing of he Cavaliers) will James win the ROokie of the year honor if his team make up to the playoffs?? what if they do not??
at the meantime---Denver had lost several key games and had been hanging at the 8th place in the Western Conference. does that give James an edge over Anthony??
Anthony had his most productive MONTH of scoring this gone FEbruary averaging over 26 ppg. That is good for 4th best in this month in the whole of NBA. And this rookie looks ...ever improving. meanwhile his team is faltering.
Also shall we talk about the effect/support of BOOzer and Iglaskius (pardon his spelling) in Cleveland's team and hence Lebron with Camby/Miller in Denver's team?? Who got more support, Lebron or Carmelo??
I still believe Carmelo is better as far as the overall effect to their corresponding teams goes. THE statistics can lie often.... i Guess this is the case here (not a lot of exaggeration either). The ESPN people talks more about James but NEEd we take their words for granted??? Most of them don't even watch the whole games (they comment in response to the overall scores and the highlights (Trust me Lebron has been the Key figure in those highlights).
What do you guys think at this point of time??
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| Rusty |
Posted
on 01-Mar-04 07:50 AM
I still stick to my vote for both: James and Melo. I bet they both will share the rookie award; however, Melo has more overall impact in his team to race for the play-offs, for he's been the leading scorer of Nuggets. And most of you know, western conference is far tougher than the eastern conference. No 8 LA Clippers from the west can be tougher for #1 Pacers in east (just a humor)...
James, on the other hand, has been playing great even if he came straight coming from high school. Certainly he's the next big thing for NBA fans. There has been a competative race for the playoffs in the eastern conference for 5th to 8th seeds. Yes, Caveliers have a chance to sneak into it.... I don't think my favorate team Knickerbocker clinch a spot in the playoffs; I am, however, optimistic about them.
Anyways, no matter what... even if they don't go to the playoffs, James and Melo both will be rookie of the year.
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| DWI |
Posted
on 01-Mar-04 11:08 AM
No doubt, LeBron has the edge now.
LeBron James FOR SURE
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| yOuNgBlOoDz |
Posted
on 01-Mar-04 12:38 PM
DWI brotha not YET... since last couples of years the rookie race has been tough... last year everybody were sure yao will get the honor but....u know the story.... btwn melo and james.. whoeva carries their team to playoff will get the honor... n don't forget wayne wade frm miami has chances tooo..:-) ....yb
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| aakash |
Posted
on 01-Mar-04 03:57 PM
WADE is just amazing...but James n Melo' should share it!
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| DWI |
Posted
on 01-Mar-04 04:53 PM
That's a valid point Yongaa, but not many LeBron comes every year in NBA (I guess same could be said 'bout Yao). LeBron mania is too heavy to ignore.
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| AX |
Posted
on 01-Mar-04 05:09 PM
I still stick with MELO. I think Melo has more impact to his team than James has. James get more publicity coz he handles ball more than Melo..... following is the reason i think MELO should win.
1. Nuggets will be going to playoff......
2. Nuggets play in more competitive conference........
3. even with boozer and z man(???) have career nos, CAVS won't be playing in playoffs.....
I am sure David will let MELO and JAMES share the award.
I like Wade dude from down south. he is a versatile player and will be in NBA for long time to come. I think he will be out for few games now and he will end up distant 3rd.
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| Zzed |
Posted
on 01-Mar-04 07:48 PM
Carmelo Anthony is the front runner for rookie of the year. If Lebron James becomes rookie of the year, that will be an insult to the game. Melo has a kin approach to his game,crediting his team and the league before himself.
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| yOuNgBlOoDz |
Posted
on 01-Mar-04 08:25 PM
dwi broda.. i feel ya.. not many lebron comes to nba .. but u can't even overlook melo's impact for the denver team.. lebron has contributed what he's got to the team likewise melo.. but we need to look overall.. how far one carry their team... dats where the point is.. say now.. AI is leading league in two stats.. scoring n steal.. plus he's also leadin in minutes per game.. but if his team don't even makes to playoff we cant just give him the mvp.. know wut i mean.. people like TD or KG.. deserves it.. whose carryin the team along with their stats.. i hope i did make sum sense up there ehhehe
yb
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| ProudNepali |
Posted
on 02-Mar-04 12:40 PM
YOUNGBLOOdZ bro yeah Man I agree with you on that. None even talks about AI as MVP. His individual performance supports the MVP nominnation however it will fall short off the title.Still AI IS a great player and he will be credited with what he got.
KG and TD are the two contenders right now. NO doubt about it. (what about Indiana Players?? Don;t they share the Best records in the league?)
The Nugget' schedule is more difficult than the Cavaliers' mostly because they are in the Western Conference. IF you check the statistics at this point of time the team (jazz) with winning record (jazz 31-30) is not in the playoff picture in the Western Conference whereas the team with a losing records (NY 26-35, Toronto 25-34, Boston 26-36 and Miami 25-35) are all in the playoff pictures. Cavaliers are just one game behind in the same race along with Philly (76ers). If the Nuggets were to put in the Eastern Conference they will be the 3rd best team.
So the statistics speaks for themselves. I believe The 19 year old rookie out of Syraccuse has the better shot at the ROokie of the year honor if things were to be made clear. Of course Lebron James is a gret player and we will all witness it in the years to come. Since we are talking about this situation even though both the Cavs and Nuggets make it to the playoffs MElo should recieve the honor. Their team is the most improved of all this year (Cavs are also much improved but far less in that category if we compare them with the Nuggets).
Still THe cards are ON The table. Sometimes the stats lie too. Often the Media influeces the outcome drastically. There are still around 25 rounds of games to be played. ANyone can step up even more to make their statements.
The rookie in MIami Dwayne Wade (I might have had misspelled his name) can also make his own claims. Miami has a better record than Cavs at this juncture. BUt he is not the best player in theri rooster.
Let's see.
ChaOO
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 02-Mar-04 01:55 PM
मेरो विचारमा पनि, जेम्स र मेलो दुवै सक्षम खेलाडी हुन् । तर हातले खेल्ने भकुण्डो चाहिं अन्तमा लेकर्सले नै लान्छ भनेर ठोकुवा गर्न सक्छु ! जोसले सुकै पाओस् एम् भी पी!
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| ProudNepali |
Posted
on 02-Mar-04 08:29 PM
Tyesko Lagi All the BIg-4 not just two or three should Be healthy. Male man is expected to be healthy soon so TIMRO bicharma ma pani sahamat chhu. ma aru kehi teams haruko pani chance DEkhdachhu.
Jai Nepal
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| ProudNepali |
Posted
on 21-Mar-04 09:30 PM
The NBA 2004 season has taken a very strange turn here.
While the Nuggets are doing worse and worse, the Cavaliers appear to be doing better.
Similarly, the Nuggets are just weakening thier playoff hopes hanging barely to the 8th spot whereas the Cavaliers are making statements for the playoff berth as somewhere between 5-8th seed.
But the question now becomes.... is Carmelo still the favorite for the ROOKIE of the year HONOR?? OR is it stillll Lebron according so many Lebron faithfuls?
It's kinda interesting. Their stats. are close.
You guys tell me.
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| aakash |
Posted
on 22-Mar-04 03:49 AM
i would say it is fair if they both share it!
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| ProudNepali |
Posted
on 28-Mar-04 12:32 PM
oH MAN GOD SAVE the NUGGets and the CAvAlIERs..............
Which one of these two (or maybe both) teams do you think is more likey to make it to the playoffs??
any thoughts@#$@
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| k_loaded |
Posted
on 28-Mar-04 01:47 PM
cleveland......their schedule favors them.
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| proudnepali |
Posted
on 31-Mar-04 02:54 PM
HOW ABOUT THAT??
Only the third time in the history of the NBA when two rookies scores in 40s. And more interestingly, how about that?? After Lebron James scores 41, Carmelo scores 41.
Before the All-Star BReak... Lebron Scored 37 and a night after Carmel0 scores 39.
I can only say that each of them are making their statements to as who is the ROOKie Of the year?? It's a ROLL of DIce anyone can...
I favor Anthony for few reasons:
1. Playing in the Western Conference and hence against the teams with better records.
2. The winnig PCT. of Nuggets which is far more impressive than that of the CAVAliers.
3. Comparably with the help of little support from others. (Boozer and Iglauskus had better numbers than those of MIller and NENE.)
4. As of CUrrent standing Nuggets are tied at 8th spot whereas Cavaliers are 2 games behing (MY) Celtics.
After having said that.... the season hadn't ended today.
Nuggets and Cavaliers both have tough schedules. THe NUggets have worse.
GO NBA GO>
Jai NEpal
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| AX |
Posted
on 31-Mar-04 03:05 PM
Finally Proud bro got it..... I have been saying that for long long time now MELO should wint he award.
How about new McDonald Slam Dunk Champion C. Parker for next year rookie of the year ;)
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| yOuNgBlOoDz |
Posted
on 31-Mar-04 03:15 PM
yo AX bro lai ke bhan kunniiii
tehi parker ko khub kura bhai ra cha...
chat kat ta thik choina hai
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| lakshmi |
Posted
on 31-Mar-04 10:34 PM
Who cares about Rookie of the Year....I miss short shorts....Bring Johnny Stockton back....He had a mean crossover, and a tight butt...What more could you ask for??
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| ProudNepali |
Posted
on 14-Apr-04 02:01 PM
One more time!!!
The rookies had evenly unbelievable season. They both rose to the occassions and accomplished lot more than what they were expected of.
Here is a breakdown of some of the comparable stats. for both the players. These stats. are to be edited for they didn't include the games played after April 11th. That means THe Nuggets were still in hunt for the playoff berth.
Carmelo Anthony Lebron James
Stats. NBA Rankings Stats NBA Rankings
PPG 21.2 12 20.9 13
RPG 6.10 49 5.50 Not Ranked
APG 2.8 Not Ranked 5.9 13
SPG 1.20 35 1.62 15
Free Throws 404 4 338 21
Free Ts Attempt 520 5 448 15
Free T Pct. .777 Not Ranked .754 Not Ranked
Ms Played PG 36.6 38 39.5 10
Field Goals Made 612 6 605.0 8
Field Goals Attempt1425 5 1455 4
Field Goal Pct. .429 Not Ranked .416 Not Ranked
Total Points 1696 6 1,610 8
TTO (turn over) 244 4 267 3
TOPG 3.05 10 3.47 5
EFFiciency PG 17.18 30 18.71 44
Team Record 42-38 33-47
And
Jerseys Sold 2 1
Now they have both added 1 win to each of their team tallis. Yet, the most important thing to notice is that the Nuggets had broken the record of not going to the playoffs for 9 consecutive seasons. does that make any difference to "who is the ROOKie of the year?" It did last season. Yao Ming didn't win the Rookie honor--- it was Stoudamire (or who??) who stole it. ...............Mostly because of his team's making it to the playoffs.
But this year the team records are very different, and the conferences are different also. But there is more than those stats.
What do you people think??
Jai Nepal
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| ProudNepali |
Posted
on 14-Apr-04 02:04 PM
OOOppsss the stats came out to be little complicated when posted. Let me know if it is readable.
jai Nepal
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| yOuNgBlOoDz |
Posted
on 14-Apr-04 02:23 PM
proud nepali.... if MELO doesn't get the ROOKIE for this year....
then the commissoner of NBA should steal the trophy from amure and give it YAO...
yb
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| ProudNepali |
Posted
on 14-Apr-04 02:32 PM
Haha YB... bro.. Yao will certainly like that idea.
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| AX |
Posted
on 14-Apr-04 02:38 PM
YB, stop whining, will ya?
btw check the stat for this year. You will be surprised !!!
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| yOuNgBlOoDz |
Posted
on 14-Apr-04 03:07 PM
AX bro i ain't whinnin..
if u dont' mind.. check the stats frm last year... u would be surprised...
its melo........................ all the way
yb
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| ProudNepali |
Posted
on 15-Apr-04 01:01 PM
AX bro---------------------------> James...
it's a close one. James wins in Assists only. Anthony leads in every other departments. James have been the Media Favorite.... as he is PRO out of high school and the #1 Draftee.
But keep it up. It's anybody's ................
..uh... Maybe Melp deserves more??11
jai Nepal
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| ProudNepali |
Posted
on 15-Apr-04 01:04 PM
I am just brainstorming AX bro.... it seems like you prefer James over Melo.. yet you think Melo is the fav..
Am I correct?? or just blushing??
Jai Nepal
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| AX |
Posted
on 15-Apr-04 01:57 PM
Melo all the way. James and Melo have almost identical stats. I be very sad if James wins
Giving award to James would be bad precedent. It's like encouraging kids from high school to join straight to NBA. Kids from high school should go to college before jumping to NBA. for every Kobe Bryant there is Leon Smith.
I have faith on Nuggets. I still remember young Dikembe Mutmbo lying on the floor with the ball after upsetting the almighty #1 seed Sonics in 1994 playoff. I expect the same from this young and feisty group. Melo, it's for your time to shine. Show the CAVS organization, what they missed out :)
Good luck to Melo and the company, you got tough job ahead......
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| DWI |
Posted
on 17-Apr-04 06:41 PM
LeBron James get the Rookie of the year NOD.
Good choice, as I said earlier; players like James don't come every year in NBA. He is exceptional and should be treated as such. Not to take anything away from Melo, LeBron deserved it.
Was in East Rutherford today, AX, and saw about 40% Knicks fans there. Too bad we lost.
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| lakshmi |
Posted
on 17-Apr-04 11:11 PM
Yao over Stoudamire? Stoudamire had better stats than Yao as rookies...And he was on a playoff bound team....I dont see an argument you can make for Yao being the rookie of the year last year....Either you live in Houston, love chinese people, or dont know a great deal about basketball if you think Yao should have been Rookie of the Year over stoudamire..
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| ProudNepali |
Posted
on 19-Apr-04 02:29 PM
The Rumor IS:::
James TO BE announced the ROOKIE of the YEar!!
IS that fair in part of Anthony?? Is this a controversy??
I think so.
make others hear you..
jai Nepal
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| Rusty |
Posted
on 20-Apr-04 09:00 AM
Certainly Melo did great job, and he deserved that award too. I was expecting they would share the award. For me, only advantage of LeBrown over Melo was that LeBrown was directly jumped from high school --with no college experience. Both have same age... same size... My personal award goes to both:)
Congrats James:)
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| AX |
Posted
on 20-Apr-04 10:05 AM
I never knew jumping straight from high school to NBA is an advantage. Shame on you, Duncan. You should have jumped straight to NBA and you could make some extra bucks like "new KING of the NBA". You wasted four years for the college degree for nothing ....
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| Rusty |
Posted
on 20-Apr-04 11:07 AM
AX,
Duncan was offered from NBA when he was in high school, but he denied and finished college before he went to NBA. Yeah, he could have made little more million bucks in his career. If we not talk about age, there have been so many tough rookies in NBA history, such as MJ, O'Neal, Iversion, David Robinson (one of the best rookies). I am only talkin about Modern era of NBA.
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| Rusty |
Posted
on 20-Apr-04 11:08 AM
If LeBrown cannot take his team to the playoff in next couple of years, he ain't worthy as he's hyped now. I don't count him for next season also.
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| ProudNepali |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 10:18 PM
Next season Can be totaly different.
I forsee the breakdown of the LA organization. SHaq and Malone are gonna be free agents by the end of this season. We all know about the rumours surrounding Bryant.
So.. let's not talk about the next season yet.
IT is bit too early.
Just an Observation.
Jai Nepal
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| AX |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 01:02 AM
proud. you got wrong info.
Bryant is a unrestricted free agent and Mailman and the Globe can opt out from their contract. Shaq's contract expires in 05. I could be wrong though.
Coach Jackson's contract expires this year as well.
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