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| GP |
Posted
on 23-Jul-01 08:01 PM
Kathmandu Post is a news paper run by some "THUGS" who manipulate this webpoll using Nepalnews.com's poll site. I remember for almost 5-6days of the poll the poll showed all in favor of Army use and suddenly they deleted all posts in strong favor with good logics. They are using this a trick to impose their believe as if internet user Nepali 's belief. This site is not trustable as long as they don't have a group of peoples who monitor the poll at least before deleting the postings and the polls themselves. Its not trustable any more.
KATHMANDU, July 23 - Maoist insurgency certainly seems to be pushing the country in doldrums. But after the recent use of the Royal Nepal Army to bring parts of western Nepal into order, people are still divided over the army action, says the results of the Kantipur Online poll.
Majority of those who took part in the Kantipur Online poll said they did not think it was right for the government to use the army to free 69 policemen abducted by the rebels from Holeri police post in Rolpa district.
Of the total 3780 who participated, 53.33 per cent or 2016 people, said they did not support the use of army. This figure is however, only about 7 per cent higher than those saying they thought is was right for the army to be used to free the hostages, indicating a split in the public opinion. Only 17 respondents said they were undecided. (sjs/rk)
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 23-Jul-01 08:08 PM
Hi GPji:
I disagree with your comment about Kathmandu Post.
However, I agree that the online polls are not scientific in their
nature, and they shouldn't be basis of any conclusion on popular
intention about the issue.
General such opinion polls are followed by cautionary "it is not
scientific poll..", but sadly, it didn't happen in case of this
news. So, the news seems to be misleading, and made to satisfy
the interest of one particular party.
Hope TKP people will heed this suggestion.Afterall, they are all
very smart people.
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| GP |
Posted
on 23-Jul-01 08:13 PM
In 2046, Surya Bahadur Thapa was clever enough to
to bring print the extra ballots and replace the
originals with duplicates using Army usually via
roof, back doors and windows. Whether you believe
it or not, Army was used to replace original boxes
with duplicates in all hilly areasy where boxes
have to be trasported on foot and 3 to 4 days.
Finally, the result was 6 in favor of Panchayat
and 5 in favor of Bahudal. This 6-5 win allowed
Panchayat to move antoher decade and loot mar
continued.
The same trick was used by TKP and on the final day
the Nepalnews.com made the result upside down
and deleted all postings that were in favor of
Army use. The result is now illustrated very
cleverly fashion.
Whether you believe or not Kantipur Publications
' journalists publish articles based on who pays
money to them, and in fact such paid articles
are called Advertisements, but, how many among
readers can distinguish such advertisements
and real reportings. Kathmandu Post and Nepali
human Rightists are both biased, and in fact
MUKUNDO DHARI.
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| Liar Liar |
Posted
on 23-Jul-01 08:53 PM
GP is right. The KTP did manipulate the numbers. For many days, the # of votes on the polling page indicated that most people wanted the army to be used against the Maoists. When the result was published, it was just the opposite.
Yubaraj Ghimire and Co. already indicated their leanings towards the Maoists when they published Baburam's article last month. So, why should we be surpised now that the KTP messed up the results in favour of the Maoists?
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| dumdum1 |
Posted
on 23-Jul-01 10:13 PM
Seek pro-girija gang creeping into this site,hum. Go to the den
of Govinda Raj Joshi, rather than spewing venum against
kantipuronline, dudes.
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| suman pradhan |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 01:58 AM
Well GP ji,
I suppose I am one of the "Thugs" of The Kathmandu Post. While I do not agree with your assertions about the Post and Kantipuronline, I also recognize your democratic right to freedom of opinion.
As someone who has been closely associated with Kantipuronline from the beginning, I know the very able journos there who man the website would never manipulate the web poll as you and others have asserted. They are journalists of unquestionable integrity with whom I have had the opportunity to work closely over the years. It is outrageous to level such charges against them without backing it up. You may be surprised by the number of polling that occurred in the site, but let me tell you that it is not at all surprising considering that the website gets more than 25,000 visits a day.
The only point I can agree with on this subject - and that again was a point made by Biswo, I think - is that the editors at Kantipuronline should have put in a disclaimer on the poll result and the news story that followed as "this is not a scientific poll."
By the way, kantipuronline, kantipur and kathmandu post may all belong to the same publishing group, but they are in no way run by the same editors. They have separate editorial teams, and work independent of each othe.
cheers
suman
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| mangal |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 02:31 AM
A small comment: I observed that the current polling setup requires us to vote everytime we like to check the results. Perhaps, you need to add one more key just for viewing the results.
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| mangal |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 02:33 AM
A small comment: I observed that the current polling setup requires us to vote everytime we like to check the results. Perhaps, you need to add one more key just for viewing the results.
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| mangal |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 02:36 AM
A small comment: I observed that the current polling setup requires us to vote everytime we like to check the results. Perhaps, you need to add one more key just for viewing the results.
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| GP |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 03:11 AM
Suman ji,
"You may be surprised by the number of polling that occurred in the site, but let me tell you that it is not at all surprising considering that the website gets more than 25,000 visits a day".
Well, if the poll fluctuates everyday as you said here, then,
the poll result published in Kathmandu Poll again does not
tell the truth and extrapolation based on the poll has
no meaning to tell that its what peoples think. Either
sampling is wrong or your software or program is some loop
holes that is misused by some group of peoples who want
to get things in their favor. I still believe that if
honestly allowed (one person one vote) the probability of getting fair sampling is very high, as more sample means better
results towards mean value. Its what I preach here everyday.
I do not believe that on last day alone the result will get
upside down with such excessive differences. Its just an
attempt to get pre-designed and biased results. I suggest
you to debug your software before making such highly sluggish
result in so called great news paper of Nepal. Finally,
I do believe that Kantipur do have some good journalists
and reporters, but, I know personally some who publish
advertisments and biased news, and one guy that can be named
is the Kantipur's Pokhara agent. In any case, Kantipur
Publication is not a neutral publication house that believes
fully in BISHUDDHA journalism, but, occupied by a lot of
prejudiced journalists and reporters. Kantipur is still better
than others because of the rare good guys inside it. Kudos to them.
BTW, if you are programmer, I suggest you to make your
weekly poll posting readable : I mean the pages after 10th page
are not readable at once. e.g. If there are 250 postings, and
I want to read 240th postings then, I have to down load
atleast 7-10pages unnecessarily. When I am on the last page,
why should I open 10th page, then, 14th ... then 18th ...
to read 24th page. Thats one of difficult part of your
site. Well, this is not my first time request, but, I wonder
whether you listen to any feed backs.
Keep it up.
GP
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| the real ashu |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 04:01 AM
GP has broached upon an interesting topic.
I have always taken the Kathmandu Post ko polls as a weekly
joke that is to be laughed at. Nothing more.
Not only is the whole thing procedurally unscientific and therefore thoroughly discreditable, the questions asked often
use loaded language. Obviously, not much thought has gone into TKP's devising and conducting the polls. And that's OK, as long
as TKP also puts out a disclaimer (which it doesn't do!).
But thinking seriously, it's time Kantipur Publishers teamed up with, say, ORG-MARG or with Keystone Research (these two are Kathmandu franchises of internationally-known market research firms ), and started conducting the polls that use appropriate professional rigor and are bias-free. I am sure mutually
agreeable deals between Kantipur and Market Research firms
could be struck so that the TRUE voices of people can be
understood better. (Disclosure: I have NO stake in any market
research firm in Nepal or anywhere!)
In the West, we see CNN and New York Times, to cite two examples, often teaming up with organizations such as Gallup and others
to do their polls. Using the similar logic, why can't Kantipur Publishers too start something similiar?
That said, I have also found the Post's publishing (every Saturday on its editorial page, no less) stuff from their
random Internet posters another joke. It does TKP no good
to publish random postings from anonymous posters on its
editorial page, thereby lowering the value of that
editorial 'real estate'.
oohi
TKP ko subha-chintak
ashu
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| KOKO |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 09:58 AM
It is sort of oxymoron to be even having this disscussion. How many people own computers in Nepal ??? The intillects participating in this disscussion tend to forget that Nepal is not ready for the wired generation. For a gaunle what the hell is online poll ??? And who cares.... Its like reading the National Enquirer.
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| GP |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 08:32 PM
Dear Brother/Sister KOKO,
People did not reach to moon or very soon will
be reaching to other Mars too, in one day. They
did start from the stone age, they initially
even did not think that Earth is like ball, they,
thought its flat and Sun revolves Earth. So,
it came step by step. Yes, peoples in Nepal
can not even read and write, that does not
mean we crush others who know it. Probably we
use them to teach others. Its matter of gradual
developments, "evolution". Well, Internet started
with peoples who even did not know where is
"any key" type of questions. In 1984, when NTV started
peoples had the same question as you are raising here,
now wherever there is electricity there is atleast one
TV in whole village and people gather to watch it.
Same will be true. Its matter of time, well,
technology transfer in Nepal move on walking pace
while in Developed world its on Bullet train or
Air Bus. So, lets not be passimistic, lets believe
in EVOLUTION, well, REVOLUTION is very costly,
compared to EVOLUTION. I am a cold blooded person who
rely and believe more on EVOLUTION than on REVOLUTION.
What about you?
GP
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| Koko |
Posted
on 25-Jul-01 10:10 AM
I believe in evolution too. I believe in the theory of adaptation as well. But bulding a Modern civilization during the Dinosaur age is not practical. Need to speak in a language everyone understands not just the elite few at the top of the social hierarchy. Teach how read and write first before you jump to computers. Besides most of these polls in Nepal are rigged anyways, so why even bother.
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| EastSideBoy |
Posted
on 25-Jul-01 12:04 PM
The Weekly Poll in TKP is the stupidest Internet poll anyone can come across. Anybody can walk into it any number of time and cast his vote.
While the majority of the Internet voters are for the use of the army against the Maoists, the TKP poll shows otherwise.
I have my suspicion that Yuwaraj Ghimire is secretly a Maoist and in the pretext of independent and unbiased journalism, he has made TKP a tool of Maoist propaganda. This man and the newspaper he runs should be censored.
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| Mani |
Posted
on 26-Jul-01 01:42 PM
In a country where you can buy witness' at will, a newspaper statement has no value. The is no proof that anything coming out of any Nepali newpaper is true unless supported by foreign press. It sure is like reading the National Inquirer, use the info. at your own risk.
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