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| DWI |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 11:49 AM
Ultras gun down Maoist Victims’ Association president
If there was any slight of hint that Maoists were actually for a good cause, that hint has completely vanished now.
Even a terrorist groups carry some level of ethics. This is the worst organization mankind has ever seen, ethically. We're glad you don't have that much of power for world dominance.
My heartfelt condolences to Mr. Chilwal's survivors, his family. He was a brave man, a courageous one. There are leaders who can stand against the government, and there are the Great Ones who have the audacity to fight against even a greater threats. Mr. Chilwal was the Great One, Nepal should always remember as.
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 12:27 PM
DWI jyu,
I am in agreement here with you that this man Ganesh Chiluwal was perhaps the most courageous Nepali maybe after Bhakti Thapa. When even the most influential and powerful persons and parties have been cowed into silence by the Maoists or have willingly sided with the Maoists to serve their unethical interests, this poor Maoist victim had the guts to organize all the Maoist victims and even burn the effigies of Prachanda and Baburam in Kathmandu! Such acts of defiance against terror require moral courage of the highest order. And he paid the ultimate price for calling a terrorist a terrorist. I think his example and fate poses a great moral challenge to Kathmandu's chattering classes and all the human rights and civil society entrepreneurs.
Chilwal's dastardly murder also gives lie to the Maoists' recent claim that they are for multi-party republic. If they can not tolerate a peaceful, democratic criticism by poor on the street, how will they treat the citizens once they come to power?
And the killing also exposes the hypocrisy of the agitating political parties who have now officially/unofficially become the running mates of the Maoists. How can they claim to be fighting against "regression" while they become bedfellows with the Maoists? At this point, what can be more regressive than Maoists themselves who tolerate absolutely no criticism from the public? At least the King's government does not shoot those who burn the King's effigies or shout slogans in the streets, or pen scathing attacks in the media.
The parties appear to be foolishly strengthening a far greater evil in order to settle short term scores with a lesser evil. But when did our politicians and intellecutals have a sense of proportion or fairness?
At the end, May Chilwal's soul rest in peace and all the Maoist victims he was trying to help find justice!
SC, in mourning
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| DWI |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 12:54 PM
Very well said Suva Chintak jyu.
The sad part is the Nepalese are left with the worst of the choices. Imagine getting a ballot paper and having to select the following choices:
Who would you prefer for running the nation?
1. Multi-Party Government (and its inability to do anything decisive)
2. The UML (with its embracement of the killers, the Maoists)
3. The Congress (need we add anything here?)
4. The RPPs (hello Panchayat)
5. The King (we know what is in the future, Paras)
6. Good Old Panchayat (Nepal's version of GOP, only subdued version of suppression)
7. None of the above
I bet 90% will vote for no. 7 in the ballot. The rest 10% would be belonging to the parties listed above.
Mr. Chilwal was a brave man who stood against the most evil of the 6 above. He is a Martyr, a Rebel with a great cause.
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| Spark |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 03:14 PM
Very sad
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 04:12 PM
It is sad to see courageous people gunned down like this in Nepal. Hope Mr Chilwal's soul will rest in peace.
I hope people while condemning this killing will refrain from using it for their petty and senseless political cause of defending the brutal king whose fighters are doing exactly things like this in the villages and army camps and attacking the political parties who have nothing to do with this massacre.
It definitely doesn't behoove the supporters of those who fostered,publicly praised and probably even provided logistical support to the rebels to shed their crocodile tears here.
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| Spark |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 05:22 PM
biswa, FYI now five parties are shaking hand with maoist's blood bathed hand for the cause of republicanism in Nepal. We have to see yet what kind of tears five parties will be dripping.
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| failedstate |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 06:51 PM
Look at this statement: "...Maoists might have been behind..."
"Meanwhile, eight human rights organizations have demanded an investigation into the murder. They have also hinted that the Maoists might have been behind the murder in view of the burning of effigy of Maoists leaders on Friday.(rk/snn)"
Give me a f****** break.
What a bunch of brutal thugs!
Yet, no statement of strong condemnation form any political party leaders! That is sad too, and they are turning out to be bugger thugs.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 07:01 PM
To those whose reptilian anger is so vivid here:
If my message was not clear, then this is it: Don't do Laashko Raajniti here , ok? Pay your respect to the departed soul who died fighting against brutes. Don't use his murder to aim against political parties just because you don't like them. Attributing blame to some one who is not responsible for the crime is even more heinous crime, if you pinheads don't understand it.
You want to talk about politics, let's start another thread. Leave this thread for some good purpose, and let's not denigrate the memory of this man with your pointless anger and expletives.
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| mirador |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 07:10 PM
makes you wish you were as brave...hope he survives long in our collective memories of a nation in storm.
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 07:16 PM
Spark and Failedstate,
I agree with your here. Most probably the five party cartel will not issue any condemnation on Chilwal's murder. It has become clear by now that the top leadership of these parties are in consipiracy with the Maosts (even if the Maoists are killing their lower level party cadres; these bastards will even sacrifice their mothers if they think they will get their kurchi back.)
But if they are forced to issue a statement just for the sake of PR, they will try to shift the focus from the Maoists back to the government in the following manner:
"Our party strongly condemns the acts of violence by the security forces and the Maoists. The RNA is killing and abducting people, we ask the government to respect human rights. The government must take the responsibility for the death of Mr. Chiluwal; it is the government's task to protect every citizen. We ask the human rights agencies and the UN to condemn the regressive government for Mr. Chiluwal's death."
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| Intruder |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 07:57 PM
I am sick and tired of this lunatic Biswa fella preaching his haywire politics in sajha and trying to brainwash the rest of us. As one can clearly tell, this pinhead has ablolutely no remorse for this murder, instead, this is another great opportunity for his to blame everything on the king. And oh look, he threatens everyone who doesn't agree with him. He might as well go join the rest of his maoist squad and come with a gun.
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| DWI |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 08:10 PM
I agree with Biswo, in that the postings should be for Mr. Chiluwal's soul only.No one has any rights to spray graffiti on his grave.
But to defend those, who have voiced their opinion; it is clear they are delivering Mr. Chiluwal's thought and standing for his values. Mr. Chiluwal is dead, not his thought, his morale and his audacity. To respect and unison his idea is to pay a homage to his soul. Now, we certainly don't have rights to decide which party he favored, so lets not get carried away.
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| Spark |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 08:10 PM
laash ko rajniti! wow, what a great assertion! isn't this the same person who don't give a dam to those who died in the past 8 years? instead the guy was once preaching people here that the corpses far less than who dies of epidemics and other natural mortality annually? how many more people you want to get sacrificed? don't you think political party's biodata stained with blood when you keep thinking that way?
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| Spark |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 08:20 PM
Further, i will salute to five party leaders if they went to pay homage for the departed soul.
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| failedstate |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 08:27 PM
Last time I checked, there was still no notable condemnation of this murder from any leader. Shame on you!
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 08:37 PM
It must be the first time some of you have shed your , though crocodile, tears for a man who was a staunch NC supporter, and a brave man who was also a regular at the protest programs organized by the five parties.
Didn't want to label him to any party. He was just a brave man who died for what he believed. But some of you forced me to do so. But I am sure I shared a lot of his dreams and only a fraction of his courage.
And some of you, please don't flatter yourself by thinking I am trying to convert you guys.You have to improve yourself a lot before joining my camp:-)
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| failedstate |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 08:43 PM
hmmmm!!!!!!!!
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| failedstate |
Posted
on 15-Feb-04 08:46 PM
This chat room has become too heavy for me. I better get off my ass to "improve."
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| spark |
Posted
on 16-Feb-04 12:02 AM
biswo, you have been acting like Mullah and asking for jehads for rebublicanism. Do we believe on the tears of Mullah Omar who has been hungry for human "bali"? Do we want to preside Mullah Omar to be our next president?
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| bardan |
Posted
on 16-Feb-04 07:00 AM
a huge price to pay for burning prachanda and baburam's effigies.
the people who turned up today for his funeral,included girija and his coteries,should,if they have any conscience do the same thing this man died for,burn the effigies of prachanda and his gang of thugs.
remember this guy left the nepali congress,and set up his own organization to fight the maoists.there are plenty of people like that,this is also the same reason why the political parties are totally disconnected with the people.
shame on the maoists.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 16-Feb-04 07:44 AM
When there was Nazism in Germany, there was one man in England who "had a clear, determined vision that there was no solution to Nazism, either in Germany or in Europe, other than absolute resistance by Great Britain and complete destruction of Hitler."
That man did not have an "inclination to seek compromises".
That man was Sir Winston Churchill.
In Nepal too, let's be realistic.
Yes, our political netas are khattam; yes, the King's direct rule has not brought us
more relief; yes, the Royal Nepal Army's record on human rights record is an embarassment.
But the greatest threat to ALL Nepalis come NOT from those three elements, but
from the Maoists who -- true to their character -- crush dissent, kill their enemies, engage in counter accusations when challenged with evidence of wrongdoing, and
who have no respect whatsoever for individal rights and liberties . . . all in the name
of some revolution.
Desperate times throw up great leaders.
And so, let's hope and pray that Chilwal's death -- like that of Krishna Mohan and his wife last year, and that of many others -- was not in vain, and that we in Nepal too will find our own Churchill from among the netas we have today.
May Mr. Chilwal's soul rest in peace.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| bardan |
Posted
on 16-Feb-04 08:14 AM
well said ashujee
the maoists are the worst of all the evils in nepal.
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| dipeshb |
Posted
on 16-Feb-04 09:23 AM
Let Mr. Chilwals soul rest in peace. Let his body get cold. And think about what he died for. Even after that, if you think, you have right to play 'laash ko rajniti' over his dead body, then say whatever you want to say. He also had a lot of misgivings about the way government was working in this issue. But isn't it that he died because he stood up for the truth, not because he told the lie about Maoists.
After seeing the news on the Kantipur Online website, I came to see what everybody is saying and to pay my own respect to Mr. Chilwal, for being the courageous person that he was. But lo and behold, even at the time of death, people cannot stop fighting over their petty differences. At a time when we need serious discussion, people are busy passing hot potato to one another. I seriously hope these kind of people are handful in number. Otherwise we are in serious danger.
A person lives for an ideology and if it asks for it, she will not hesitate to die for the ideology she helds. Here most of the people's ideology seems to finger-pointing, and they, it seems, are willing to go all the way to the end to do that. I, for one, do not believe in such cheap way of defeating my opponent and will never get myself involved in this thing. Lets get involved in serious discussion without resorting to name-calling.
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