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| san | Posted
on 15-Feb-04 08:38 PM
Over the past few weeks we have seen an increasing number of ethnically charged postings in sajha. As we all know these kind of postings undermine the main goal of sajha, which is to BRING TOGETHER NEPALI COMMUNITIES. These ethnic issues are our differences which does not have any resolutions. The older generations of Nepal have grown up with strict caste and ethnic rules. Currently we are seeing more flexibility regarding caste and ethnicity at least in the capital and in major cities in Nepal. Understandably, there is still a trickle down effect of ethnic and caste stereotypes in the current generation. We all know Gurungs, Tamangs, Bahuns, Chettris, Newars, Limbus, and any other caste or ethnicity are all human beings. We will have had or still have good acquaintances/friends from all these different caste/ethnicities. Yet, we still have no reservations when it comes to stereotyping and trying to make our own caste/ethnicity look better or trying to make other caste/ethnicity look bad. The discussion on which caste/ethnicity is better or worse is never going to be resolved, and it is simply one of our differences - which has been created because we grew up in a society with such caste/ethnic differentiation. There is not much we can do about how we grew up, but there is a lot we can do for the future generations. Let us not pass down such messages of ethnic differences that make us fight against each other. I had hoped that like most other postings these postings on caste/ethnic bashings would go into oblivion after few days of discussions. But since that is not happening and since it seems to be taking a negative momentum, I have to intervene in order to re-iterate the goal of sajha - of BRINGING TOGETHER NEPALI COMMUNITIES. Having said all this, I would like to request visitors to not indulge in caste/ethnic bashings. Any continuation of these will be moved to OURDIFFERENCES usergroup. Best Regards, San Site Admin |
| KALANKISTHAN | Posted
on 15-Feb-04 08:47 PM
There you go San da Myaan!! What took you so long??? ... ;) (Valentine's day got in the way? :P) |
| Biswo | Posted
on 15-Feb-04 09:50 PM
San: Thanks for being proactive. I don't think I ever opened those threads, but they were kind of eyesore. Sorry fellas who love ethnic bashing. There are very few buyers of communal hatred these days. You belong to an increasingly vanishing species, and I will be happy to see you go the way of dodo. |
| Suman Pradhan | Posted
on 16-Feb-04 12:22 AM
I second that San. On another note, the said thread reflects the Nepali society at large. Unfortunately, casteism and communalism is still very much part and parcel of our society. But as Biswo said, let's not let our future generations grow up in this hatred. For that to happen however, we need a sane and serious discussion of what makes us different, not name-calling. But being PC and sweeping it all under the carpet is not going to do us any good either. So to all those who insist in discussing this serious subject, drop the racist name-calling and instead indulge in serious debate. cheers Suman |
| SITARA | Posted
on 16-Feb-04 05:27 AM
Whew! Finally! Ethnic slurs/threads seem to come in waves; ebbing and flowing with the moods of society's malcontents. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 16-Feb-04 10:54 AM
Good decision San! Having said that, I am a little suprised why it took so long to axe the ethno-bashing in Sajha. I remember a number of people had called for stopping the sheer ignorance and stupidity way back when some self-righteous bigots started cursing and accusing the Madhesi, Shah, and Rana castes and regional identities for every problem under the sun. It was actually PC to bash the trio; a sure sign of political sophistication. Then the Bahuns were added to the list; it got even more acrimonious and shrillier as some tasted the bitter medicine they had heaped on others. This week, Newars and Chhetris were dragged in to be the punching bags for our ethnocentricism. Ethno-bashing was not fun anymore, so we all call for quits; thanks God! SC, dhilai bhaya pani chorai bhayo bhanya jasto |
| Poonte | Posted
on 16-Feb-04 01:16 PM
"SC, dhilai bhaya pani chorai bhayo bhanya jasto" SC-jyu...ethnic bashing baata aba gender bashing? :P eheheh just pulling your seusi legs ;) |
| confused | Posted
on 16-Feb-04 01:19 PM
u gooo san daiiii...!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Arnico | Posted
on 16-Feb-04 01:22 PM
Thank you San. The only way to make sure the community stays together (in this case, that valuable members of the community continue to consider it worth their time to visit sajha) is to take a more active/pro-active role as a moderator reminding people about the goals and mission of the site. |
| yOuNgBlOoDz | Posted
on 16-Feb-04 03:30 PM
FINALLY................... u go broda yb |
| ashu | Posted
on 16-Feb-04 08:01 PM
Let's be realistic here: Sajha.com cannot change human nature. Nor can it realistically legislate what one can post and one cannot post. Moral exhortations and public urgings are fine, but they seldom work.. Sooner or later, mark my words, topics related to ethnic-bashing will return to Sajha. If that's s, what could be a long-term solution? I would suggest that like a "good government" (run by, who else but, economists :-)!), Sajha.com, where posting privileges come for free, should be in the business of providing incentives and disincentives to affect posting behaviour. Allow me to explain. On the thread related to "depression", Sajha has provided INCENTIVES to posters to share information, news and ideas related to depression. [Depression, by the way, is often a temporary mental health problem that can be fully CURED with appropriate medical and other interventions, if only people seek help.] Now, Sajha.com has provided incentives for people to post in that thread by ANONYMIZING details related to posters. This way, a poster in need of serious medical attention can seek help from others on Sajha without revealing his/her identity. In a similar vein, why not provide DISINCENTIVES to ethnic bashers by REVEALING everything about them (IP address, frequency of visits to Sajha and other such details) along with their postings? In other words, these guys are FREE to post whatever ethnic-bashing material (as per San's definition) they want to post. But the "price" they pay for that freedom is that they can be traced or tracked OPENLY by anyone anywhere anytime. And let's see whether those guys will continue with their ethnic-bashing behaviour on Sajha. I would think that for almost all of these bashers, the "costs" of revealing themselves will be higher than the "benefits" they derive from the posting such nonsense. What do you guys think? oohi "As a bahun, I often wonder: How is that most of my best friends are either Jewish or Newars?" ashu ktm,nepal |
| eXpert_opinion | Posted
on 16-Feb-04 10:34 PM
Ashu, I agree with you as an economist myself that if there was a price to be paid for being an ethnic basher the supply of bashing will decrease. However, I wonder what the effect of revealing IP addresses and other informartion gathered by sajha would be. IP addresses are mostly dynamic unless you are on a dedicated broadband connection so revealing IPs might not do much. Emails that are used to register on sajha could be any of the freebie emails where you do not have to provide any real information. I dont know if revealing IPs etc is enough of an dis-incentive to stop such people from running their mouth. Just my $0.02 |
| ashu | Posted
on 17-Feb-04 02:54 AM
Expert Opinion, I'd leave it up to San, assuming he takes up this idea, to work out the PRECISE details of these disincentive measures. My interest was to point out the lamentable shortcomings of earnest public urgings and serious moral exhortations that go into changing people's private behaviour in a public forum. Such things rarely work. And so, the idea, for what it's worth, is to put some kind of a "price" (or a "tax" if you will) on the ethnic-bashing postings with the hope that the bashers will find the act of ethnic bashing on Sajha "costly" for themselves. As someone famous once said: "Economics is all about incentives. Rest is commentary". oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| Gokul | Posted
on 17-Feb-04 05:25 AM
Some economic approaches to curb ethnic bashing (EB) (1) Let us make the EB curve concave so that it has diminishing marginal utility. (2) Let there be an "invisible hand". (3) Let us raise its opportunity cost. (4) Prove mathematically that EB is pareto optimal, i.e. you must hurt others to be better off yourself. (5) Demonstrate that EB is a moral hazard. (6) And finally, let us assume that there are no ethnic bashers! |
| KALANKISTHAN | Posted
on 17-Feb-04 06:39 AM
Hey how about revealing the computer number or something, remember before sajha introduced "register" policy, poster's (unregistered) screenname used to be displaced over some distinct number? So everytime you used that particular computer, it would always display the same number even if you have 100 different registered names. (Yeah yeah, there are side effects) Let's see if tallman and fireman are the same!! ;) |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 17-Feb-04 11:52 AM
You can try listing people' s IP address. Smart people would go to a free proxy site and pick an IP address. |
| Biswo | Posted
on 17-Feb-04 11:57 AM
Nepali angel: Remember that 'smart' people don't engage themselves in ethnic bashing. Their time is worthy and they know wasting time advancing such nefarious ideology is nonsensical. :-) |
| jivman | Posted
on 17-Feb-04 04:18 PM
San Cha: Glad to hear that you have intervened. In addition to the race, can you also include Religion. From time to time, I see bunch of losers commenting Negatively on Buddhism even though no one had done any harm to anyone. Let your message be loud and clear to all sajha brothers and sisters. Binabi Jiv Cha |
| el diablo | Posted
on 17-Feb-04 04:32 PM
Ashu, you must be quite a personality....not one or two but many best friend(s). And you don't hesitate dropping names like you did somewhere here recently.....Harvard Lampoon, your friend....Jay Leno writer....must be one of your Jewish best friends....Aaron Blumenthal? When are you coming over to help Kerry's bid for the White House? |
| Suna | Posted
on 17-Feb-04 04:37 PM
Biswo I second that! |
| mahakaal | Posted
on 17-Feb-04 04:43 PM
mr ashu what do you think would do any good by revealing the ip address.......what is that for....so that a computer geek can do smth on the computer of somebody whose posting he does not like..or whats that??????? for a brainn like you,you need to suggest like say whoever have difference come along and go to the boxing ring and fight 12 rounds and whoever wins wins and the amount collected from that goes to sajha.com.that would rather be a better idea is not it?suppy and demand factor comes into play here tooo. its right that there should be no ethnic fights but ideas can be diferent of different people AND SINCE THIS IS AN OPEN FORUM YOU CAN EXPRESS YOUR VIEWS and MR BISWO obody becomes a fool just because he doesnt share your idea and if you consider yourself a better person than you would be doing something else and not talking about bad people with nefarious ideology . |
| VincentBodega | Posted
on 17-Feb-04 04:54 PM
To all the Ethnic Bashing haters.. what the heck is that post on "INDIAN WANNABE NEPALESE...." doing if you all hate ethnic bashing so much? a little double standard dont you all think? I still believe that censorship makes everyone blind. "Let it be" is my policy. |
| Meera | Posted
on 17-Feb-04 05:44 PM
San dai, I thought you said that you would abolish/ ban all ethnic bashings. I just saw a thread that is blaming the Chhettris and another one about Indian haters. Interestingly enough all the hating threads are written by a select few. IS there ANY WAY to ban those threads?????? Sajha is SUPPOSED to be a hate-FREE site or so I thought!!!!!!!! Correct me if I am wrong! Prayer for Peace in SAJHA :-) |
| Prem Charo | Posted
on 17-Feb-04 06:00 PM
Sanji, Ke vo yo sajhabasi haru lai ?? Faaltu faaltu kuraharu lekhera dikka paarisake. Kunda Kunda pani munda munda buddhi vane jastai yi goru haru lai jati dhoye pani gaai banna garo holaan ra? Mahakal, Shame on you !!! PC :) |
| ashu | Posted
on 17-Feb-04 08:44 PM
El diablo, Enjoyed reading your comments. Truth be told, I am quite used to some people following the contents my various postings in minute, minute details, and then weaveing in their own various interpretatons. That's life. As the slogan goes, hey, live life in color. On this day of Shiva Ratri, here's a well-known poem for you. Don't know who the author is. But I find this poem quite inspirational. You may find this interesting too. ****** DO IT ANYWAY People are often unreasonable, Illogical, and self-centered. Forgive them anyway. If you are kind, people may accuse you of being Selfish and having ulterior motives Be kind anyway. If you are successful, you will win some false Friends and some true enemies. Succeed anyway. If you are honest and frank, People may cheat you. Be honest and frank anyway. What you spend years building, Could be destroyed overnight. Build anyway. If you find serenity and happiness, They may be jealous. Be happy anyway. The good you do today, People will often forget tomorrow. Do good anyway. Give the world the best you have, And it may never be enough. Give the world the best you’ve got anyway. You see, in the final analysis, It is between you and God. It never was between you and them anyway. **** A very Happy Shiva Raatri to you all, and, el diablo, would I be crossing the line if I also mention -- quite truthfully -- that every year the day of Shiva Raatri also happens to be my birthday according to Nepali tithi? oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| Robert Frost | Posted
on 17-Feb-04 09:41 PM
Well, Happy Birthday to you then Ashu. Have enjoyed reading your thoughts and hope to read more of them in the future to come. |
| Biswo | Posted
on 17-Feb-04 10:42 PM
Ashu, Happy birthday to you. Surprisingly, we share b'day this year. I count it from Nepali miti and if I recall correctly, it is also the b'day of Madan Mani Dixit. |
| diwas k | Posted
on 17-Feb-04 11:35 PM
Ashu Happy Birthday _diwas |
| el diablo | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 05:51 AM
Ashu, the Boston Brahmin( not a slur), happy birthday. I do go through everything you utter with a fine tooth comb.......I guess that's a compliment. Isn't it high time you got hitched or are you still playng the field? FYI, I am living life in full 70mm, THX Surround Technicolor!!! |
| dumdum | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 07:41 AM
happy birthday ashu ji. nice poem, by the way. dumdum |
| najar | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 08:54 AM
Ashu and Biswo: Happy Birthday wishes from me also! I hear you guys turned 21, ho? :) |
| SITARA | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 09:09 AM
Biswo and Ashu: Hyaappi B'day!!! :) |
| KALANKISTHAN | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 11:58 AM
Biswo, Ashu Happy b'day to you too!! Cake khoi cake? Dai chiura museko pani chalega! ;) |
| czar | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 12:08 PM
Birthday greetings to Ashu and Biswo, two worthy Sajha stalwarts . Have a blast, gentlemen ! Cheers ! |
| Biswo | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 12:17 PM
Hey, thanks everyone for the best wishes. Najar Didi, yes, I turned 23 today. But I feel older:-) |
| Deep | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 12:18 PM
Ashudai tatha Biswodai - Budeskal ko khudkilo arko euta man lagi nalagi bhe pani chadnai pareko ma dim ki nadim bhanne dodharma katti almalinu bhaigo bhandai subhakamana didai chhu broharulai. khai ke bhanam? Budeskal sukhamaya hos---Jay sambho! Antyama, yo tithi mitima janmadin manaune sabailai mero subhakamana-mitho jindagiko lagi. |
| Poonte | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 12:32 PM
LOL what a turn of events! Ethnic bashing baata...ramailo birthday wishing...tyo pani feri dubai jana baahrai takka Brahman harulai ;) Hardik Shuva Kamana, Ashu and Biswo!!!!!!!!!! |
| Meera | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 03:33 PM
Ashu and Biswo dai, Happy Birthday! |
| oys_chill | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 05:19 PM
mero pani hoi :)...As much as we've disagreed in so many things and agreed in few and made amends in others, I must say Ashu dai and Biswo dai have been two of the leading characters of sajha who've kept us entertained and occupied (sometimes angered ;)) in multiple ways...HYAPPY BUTHDAY!! Hey biswo dai, yeso rajniti chadera fosla lai ni nigrani rakhnu paryo ni :P ....pheri fosla ma ni ETHNIC underground movement suru hola....As far as ethnicity is concerned......LOP parepachi kasko Chora, kasko Chori ni hau ;). hamra guru ba le uhile, ki padera janincha, ki parera janincha ta bhannu hunthyo. |
| ashu | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 05:24 PM
Dear Sajha friends, . . . Robert Frost, Biswo, Diwas K, El Diablo, Dum Dum, Najar, Sitara, Kalankistan, Czar, Deep, Poonte and Meera . . . Many thanks for your B-day wishes. Biswo, I am both surprised (because I did not know) and delighted (now thatI know) to learn that you and I share b-days. Happy B-day to you too. El Diablo, you ask too many colorfully personal questions, yaar. Be in Kathmandu this summer, and you'll see. :-) oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| acharya | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 05:43 PM
>> Be in Kathmandu this summer, and you'll see. :-) Ahem ahem!!! |
| Arnico | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 06:43 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY BISWO AND ASHU. I send you both best wishes for good health and happiness in the coming year. |
| Biswo | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 07:59 PM
Thanks to you all for the best wishes. In deed, it was a surprise that Ashu and I shared the birthday this year:-) Oys, don't worry. I still belong to the gang:-) Arnico, where art thou? |
| paramendra | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 08:46 PM
San. Great solution that does not curb free speech, but curbs hate speech in a smart way. And look at the side-effect: b'day greetings! Pictures from the day I almost met you in person in Boston: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/paramendra/album?.dir=/407b |
| GoberGanesh | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 09:18 PM
Bishwo, Still obsessed with Madhavi ? Madan Mani budha ko bed ma 4 jana le sutaye uslai Munikumar Galav, and you are still ushering the gate. Jagte Raho...HeHe Who was her secret sergeon? Most be really good. I want to open a whore house in partnership with him. Isn't Vishma Sahani's Madhavi is sexier them Madan Mani's? Succulent with great - golakar bakchhya and naspati nitamnba. Just a question. Find Yayati, aviod Vishwamitra....Happy B-day. |
| GoberGanesh | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 09:37 PM
Gober Ganesh ko 3 bude ROADMAP on how to read the previous posing. 1. Nepali byakaran ko suddhikaran lai dhyan ma rakdai - uslai at the end of second line should be read as unilai. 2. Most must be read as Must. 3. naspati nitamnba = chahat apna apna. |
| GoberGanesh | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 09:43 PM
First amendment to Gober Ganesh ko 3 bude ROADMAP 1. Do not read is after Madhavi. |
| M.P. | Posted
on 18-Feb-04 09:47 PM
Om Om....subha janma din hune bandhu haru maa mero kaamanaa: Battisai lakchhen le yukta bhayeki stri milun, santaan le daadaa-kaadaa dhaakun, durgaa daayaa houn, jiu maa ghun-putlo nalaagosh, khuttaamaa kaadaa nabijhosh, taauko nadkukosh, maobadi le chhuna nasakosh, gharko majheri maa soon falosh, satru le "chhi" bhanne kaile nahosh, stand-up comedy safal hosh, "collective capital" badhosh, FOSLA maa promotion hosh, raajdhaani maa bukurai bhayepani wot laagne thalo banaaye, deengaa-baachhaa barshyaaude (producing babies every year) houn, dayaalu bhaye, ghar nabhule, chithi pathaaye........(haatmaa kush liyera) fridge maa beer rahi rahosh...campus baata saraasar pass bhaye...daactar bane... Oohi purkhyouli pandit, Misunderstood Poet |
| Spark | Posted
on 19-Feb-04 12:11 AM
The topic derailed from Bashing to Birthday. anyway, happy birthday to birthday boys. How come you guys don't have real name as Shiva, Mahadev, Shankar, Bhola, etc?? At least in nick. if my statistics is true whoever borne on Shivaratri day look like Shiva if he is wrapped in tiger skin, holding kamandalu, trishul, and damaru and of course kharani ghasing all over bodies. I am just imagining ashu as bhole baba ji and biswo nanga or aghori baba ji....lol..bless you |
| jivman | Posted
on 19-Feb-04 06:52 AM
Great change indeed from bashing to greetings. Keep it coming....... |
| suresh1 | Posted
on 19-Feb-04 08:30 AM
happy Shivaratri, I think Nepali angel have no historical knowledge about Nepal. She calls the Chetris as the descendants of Bahun man and Magar women. Some of the Chetris are the descendants of ancient Aryan horde called Khasa, today represented by Thapa, Basnyat, Khadka, and Karki Chetris. Some are the descendants of the Rajput military adventurers. Some are the descendants of the Mongols who were brave and military leaders like Khand Thakuris. Some are the descendants of the Bahuns who took the sword for daily bread like Pandeys. Still some are the mixture of bahun males and Mongol females through intercaste marriage. You Nepali Boksi, your ancestars were wise enough to do intercaste marriage with the Mongol women without caste discrimination and equally gave chance to the Mongols to rise. But you present Bahuns are corrupt and hypocrites like Koiralas, madhavnepals, etc. |
| SITARA | Posted
on 19-Feb-04 09:10 AM
Hareee! Suresh ji: Some tracks to take on where we came from: -In the beginning, there was stardust. -In the beginning, there was the "Blob"; we are all the descendents of the blob. -In the beginning, there was Adam and then Eve. -In the begining, there was "Shunya" -In the beginning, there was "Consciousness/Brahmmah to acknowledge the Shunya". Take your pick! :P |
| Biswo | Posted
on 19-Feb-04 06:24 PM
MP, Thanks for your kind blessings. It was fun to read, and I hope they will be realised. Well, except one. Rajdhanimaa ghar? I still like Chitwan better. Spark, I understand your intent. For your information, Biswo Nath is also a synonym of Shiva, and Ashutosh(one who is pleased quickly) is also a name of shiva. |
| WkW | Posted
on 19-Feb-04 06:56 PM
Happy birthday to you two. |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 19-Feb-04 07:25 PM
Suresh, if you want to discuss this, start a new thread. I'll teach you a thing or two about "history". But I am not gonna start pounding on you in a thread titled "sajha policy on ethnic bashing". |
| suresh1 | Posted
on 20-Feb-04 03:57 AM
nepali_Angel, I'm a history student pursuing my higher research. I would be glad to hear from you what r u going to teach me about history. |